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January 08, 2006

Vince Young turning pro: I hate to see it, but there it is.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY to football at 01:32 PM - 77 comments

Ahh, I always find it a little difficult to bemoan a guy turning pro - because I'm sure I'd do the same. And after his Rose Bowl performance his star couldn't be brighter. I've heard people debating whether or not Young should now be considered the number one pick for the Texans (which is patently ludicrous). Either way another year of school or a $40 million contract? Go get 'em Vince.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 01:39 PM on January 08

I say go for it. Take the money and run. Why risk the chance of injury or terrible season next year when your star is so bright this year.

posted by skydivemom at 01:45 PM on January 08

Hey, He made the right choice. Win the Championship Then get paid. Same as Magic Johnson and countless others. Lienart being an exception.

posted by skydivedad at 01:48 PM on January 08

Yeah, what was Vince coming back for? A shot at two National Championships? A Heisman Trophy? Might as well strike while the iron is hot.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 01:55 PM on January 08

The Ravens need to trade up and get this guy. Anybody want Jamal Lewis?

posted by drjimmy11 at 02:04 PM on January 08

Good decision for him but you don't take him over Bush unless you're Houston and you've got Davis. So what do you get for Carr in a league starving for QBs? And can you trade down to #2 and get a deal?

posted by STLCardinalfan at 02:06 PM on January 08

The Texans aren't in horrible shape with the backfield they have in Carr and Davis. They need to trade this pick for a bunch of lower picks and grab every available offensive lineman in the draft. Some of them will eventually have to pan out and keep their skill players off their backs.

posted by wfrazerjr at 02:33 PM on January 08

Thank goodness. He can finish his degree anytime. The man is a professional athlete. He has everything necessary to make a lot of money in his profession. So go get 'em. Besides that, it would be unfair to all college football teams for him to return. He is way too good. I look forward to watching him on Sundays.

posted by panoptican at 02:38 PM on January 08

Vince Young's college career has nowhere to go but down. I'm a little disappointed not to get the chance to see him mow through college defenses for another season, but if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't hesitate to turn pro. And then I'd autograph my own shoes and sell them with a minimum bid of $1,000 on eBay.

posted by rcade at 02:38 PM on January 08

I was going to make a joke about the importance of finishing a degree in Sports Management, but apparently he's a liberal arts major. Now I hate him for ruining my fun.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 02:42 PM on January 08

The NCAA is an exploitative system in which star athletes are penalized if they even have dinner bought for them, but the schools can sign million dollar contracts with Nike to force their students to wear certain shoes. Gamblers, college coaches, and those who milk the NCAA for a multi-billion dollar enterprise would like us to believe the athletes should stay in school, but they're liars and con artists. Any young man would be a fool to not milk the NFL or NBA money first chance he gets: a guaranteed retirement out of the gate versus risking injury and a job in a plumbing supply company for the rest of your life.

panoptican: He can finish his degree anytime. The man is a professional athlete.
Very true. These aren't rocket scientists- the only reason for them to be in college is because it's the only minor league farm system for the pro sports outside of baseball. You can always go back and get a degree when you're a retired millionaire, but you can't always go back and get millions when you're a college grad with a bum knee. Granted, the tail you get in college must be freakin' insane: 18-22 year old smoking hotties without a goddamn blemish on them. Fuckin' hell... but I'd still take the millions of dollars. :)

posted by hincandenza at 02:43 PM on January 08

im pissed

posted by the don at 02:45 PM on January 08

Anybody want Jamal Lewis? I think I'd rather have Jerry Lewis. My guess is the Ravens will trade for Brees. The Texans will trade down.

posted by scully at 02:45 PM on January 08

Whew...am I happy for Young. Being an Oklahoma fan that considers beating texas and losing the other 12 a winning season. It was hard to rout for texas in pasadena but I managed to do it because of vince. Mr. young is a class act as opposed to someone like marcus vick. Just hope rosenthal dose not get his fangs in him.

posted by kosmicdebris at 03:09 PM on January 08

Anybody who has followed UT and vince the last two years are not suprised at what he has done. ( Last years rose bowl game against Michigan was equally phenomonal )Clearly, the Heisman voters are having second thoughts. But will his success carry over to the pro game? Should be interesting........

posted by mjkredliner at 03:28 PM on January 08

Yeah, what was Vince coming back for? A shot at two National Championships? A Heisman Trophy? I think Leinert tried that and failed. He hurt his prospects by returning. Good choice Vince.

posted by Bill Lumbergh at 03:29 PM on January 08

Yeah, my comment is a selfish one. My wife and I just bought a house in Lago Vista, just outside Austin, and are moving back to Texas in a couple of months. I wanted to see Vince play at Darrell Royal Stadium a couple of times before he turned pro but no question he's made the right decision.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 03:38 PM on January 08

Personally I think Vince made the only choice...like the other poster mentioned, ncaa football and the bcs conferences are money grubbing machines that like to see the matt leinarts and vince youngs of the world stay the full 4 yrs so they can sell television rights, sports apparel contracts and season tickets. Besides why does he stay??...so his stock can drop like matt leinart's did?...Alex Smith's 40 million for being the number 1 pick should have been matt's...now matt is looking at #2 or #3....Also, anyone remember a guy name willis magehee??...dude damn near had a career ending injury in a bowl game and many thought he would never play again. I dont think Vince will be an immediate impact player...he's got sit and learn the pro game kind of like mcnair did in houston.

posted by NoAirplay at 04:08 PM on January 08

I will have to say that i am glad that he chose to go pro. he is the best athlete in college football. heisman voters got it wrong. i see vince going first overall

posted by mountaineerfan at 04:13 PM on January 08

i just hope the texans get him maybe they can trade up ansd get number 1 and 2

posted by Barry-from-H-town at 04:56 PM on January 08

the texans don't need Bush or Young, either of them would be a good choice obviously, they need to trade that spot and draft an entire O-line.

posted by chuy at 06:30 PM on January 08

I dont think the guy is ready for the pros. He should be staying for that last year. The guys has a boat load of talent, but it needs a little more polish. Media hype of his great Rose Bowl performance is inflating his worth in the pros. It will be interesting to see how this works out!

posted by daddisamm at 06:38 PM on January 08

Please can we (LIONS) have that pick!

posted by MICHIGANDER at 06:57 PM on January 08

"Granted, the tail you get in college must be freakin' insane: 18-22 year old smoking hotties without a goddamn blemish on them. Fuckin' hell... but I'd still take the millions of dollars. :)" Just a hunch here, but I think that even with the twin handicaps of having millions of dollars and not being in college, Vince is still going to get 18-22 year old smoking hotties without a goddamn blemish on them.

posted by mr_crash_davis at 07:07 PM on January 08

Sorry MICHIGANDER but your boy Millen will probably draft some receivers.

posted by chuy at 07:16 PM on January 08

At the combine we shall discover whether V. Young is the second coming of D. McNabb, or Akilli Smith. BTW, Bengals calling.

posted by sonomajoe at 07:28 PM on January 08

So is he likely to be drafted as a quarterback or a wide receiver? Early talk had him being selected as a wide receiver which would justify Houston's selection if they went that way. Imagine a feature receiver who was also a backup quarterback.

posted by geekyguy at 07:49 PM on January 08

No one can fault Vince's decision--I wish him the best of luck and hope he's a raging success in the NFL.

posted by jm_mosier at 07:51 PM on January 08

lets go vince and best wishes to you go longhorns

posted by woody at 08:58 PM on January 08

I think the big question for the Texans is whether David Carr is worth his pending 8 million dollar bonus. All the sacks aren't Carr's fault, but at the very least the guy is a little gun-shy, and of course he still has that hitch in his delivery where his release point is low. Bad offensive line or not, Carr's had 4 years and is still unproven. It would seem a good decision to take a chance on Vince, even if he commands a higher signing bonus, which he will.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 09:24 PM on January 08

Houston will have to take Vince Young. No GM would pass on him and expect to keep his job. Houston will then trade David Carr to Tampa Bay for their number one and Chris Simms. Houston will then take the 6'6"340Lb guard from USC Deuce somthing.

posted by jhirth at 10:19 PM on January 08

Nah. What Houston should do is trade for an O-line, but if they did, they'd get lynched. They've got too much committed to David Carr, and after the ungodly beating he's taken the last four years, he's a lot more valuable to the Texans than whatever he'd get in a trade (jhirth, if you were Tampa, would you make that trade? Seriously?), so they might as well keep him. Reggie Bush is just as good now as when he slapped 513 yards on Fresno State last month and everyone was ripping their dictionaries in half making up new adjectives to describe his greatness. If the Texans don't do the wise thing and trade down, they should at least do the smart thing and give Carr a friend in that foxhole of a pocket. And instead of 2-14, next year they'll go 5-11. Baby steps, people.

posted by chicobangs at 10:50 PM on January 08

If you watched the Rose Bowl game you saw exactly what Reggie Bush will look like in the NFL. I'd rather have White on my team than Bush. White is the better NFL back, like Bettis but with speed. If your Houston count your blessings that you have Dan Reeves to keep GM Charlie Casserly from screwing things up even worse. If they draft Vince Young you have to get rid of Carr. They can't get anything for Carr because teams don't know if the problems are with Carr or the o-line. Reggie Bush would be a better even, dare I say it, smart choice if Dominic Davis is going to continue to be injured half of every season. Matt Leinart not even on the Texan's radar. Trading down for more picks is a no no. Casserly makes one good pick a draft. Carr, Johnson, Davis. And what the hell where the Texans thinking when they let go of TE Billy Miller! Carr is a question mark and the o-line sucks, so how do you get better with one less target for Carr to dump off to? The Texans fired the wrong person, but what the hell Casserly will be gone after next season, then the Texans will have a shot at winning season number 1.

posted by AKD2486 at 12:33 AM on January 09

If you watched the Rose Bowl game you saw exactly what Reggie Bush will look like in the NFL. I'd rather have White on my team than Bush. If you just watched the Rose Bowl, I could understand this conclusion.

posted by yerfatma at 05:32 AM on January 09

I'm crushed -- yet another potential American Rhodes Scholar lost to the insensitivity of the collegiate system. When, oh when, will this country stop losing it's best and brightest to the NFL?

posted by rockamora at 06:10 AM on January 09

He had an amazing collegiate career, but do you guys honestly think he'll make it as an nfl quarterback with that release?

posted by chmurray at 08:16 AM on January 09

If you watched the Rose Bowl game you saw exactly what Reggie Bush will look like in the NFL. I'd rather have White on my team than Bush. I'm not saying White isn't deserving of some strong consideration, but to dog Bush?! 13 carries - 82 yards (that's a nearly 6.5 yd/carry average) ... 6 rec - 95 (16 yd/rec average). Yeah, NFL teams are sure to shy away from him after THAT bowl game performance. but do you guys honestly think he'll make it as an nfl quarterback with that release? That's what I've been wondering. DL in the NFL are going to have blisters from swatting down so many of his passes. I totally agree he should go pro - don't see his stock going any higher after the silly but constant chirping right now of him being the best QB ever. But, while he is a great athelete and will help some team in some way probably, IMO he's got a lot of work to do before being any kind of an impact QB.

posted by littleLebowski at 08:51 AM on January 09

I agree with Hal, I have said it for years "you can always go back to school, get the money now" Look out Micheal Vick, there is a new sherrif in town. And if he should somehow find his way to Miami no one would be happier. What an era of football we live in....no longer do college QB's set on the pro bench and ripen. Let's see what you got kid.

posted by skydive at 09:44 AM on January 09

Having Young play for the Texans is Something That Team Needs...I mean I dont think They've one a game yet!. and if they did Well...I'd have to call my Cuzin And Yell at him for telling me they hadn't....But The Texans Need a good QB. and Young might just be what there looking for. P.S. I like almost all of Houston Teams Just so yall know. ASTROS Rock..hehe

posted by marines_rock_13 at 10:12 AM on January 09

On Reggie versus Vince in the pros - how do they play against top ten defenses in College? Vince did OK with Ohio State, did great against USC (top 10 defense may be a stretch). Reggie was mediocre at ND, mediocre with Texas, - broke open the Fresno State game. But was Fresno state overated, or was Reggie?

posted by JustGuessing at 10:23 AM on January 09

like who cares? Vince is just another one of those running back QB's who thinks run first then pass. He will never lead a pro team to victory in the Super Bowl. We already have several QB's like him in the NFL( Culpepper, Vick) who have failed to succeed at the highest level. These guys just end up hurt most the time because when you play the pro game, getting whacked by guys who are bigger and waaaaaay stronger than college boys, you don't get back up so quick and often end up on the IR! Texas won that game on the stupidity of the officials and the inabilty of USC to stop Young those final 2 drives. Defense wins championships. But I still think Young will be an attraction for some loosing team. May sell some tickets but that is it. He ain't no Marino or Elway or Manning.

posted by bluekarma at 11:19 AM on January 09

We already have several QB's like him in the NFL( Culpepper, Vick) who have failed to succeed at the highest level. You mean...black quarterbacks? He ain't no Marino or Elway or Manning. You mean...white quarterbacks? Go back under your rock, bk. We'll call you when it's time for the next klan meetin'. Don't forget to starch your pointy hat!

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 11:29 AM on January 09

Hey don't dis young!. Me & the rest of my family think he did good (And we're Aggies!) Amy

posted by marines_rock_13 at 11:44 AM on January 09

Reggie was mediocre at ND As a Notre Dame fan, I'm going to disagree with you. I shuddered every time he got near the ball. They had no way to stop him.

posted by yerfatma at 12:21 PM on January 09

The best thing that happened to Vince Young was that he didn't win the Heisman Trophy. If you wonder why I said that, then apparently you don't know anything about football or of previous Heisman winners. As for Vince Young being the next great quarterback? Time will only tell. If whoever picks him up, starts him immediately, then we might never know how good he could be. The best for most college quaterbacks is to sit for one year and actually learn the system. I hate seeing quarterbacks thrown to the wolves without proper protection. We already have several QB's like him in the NFL( Culpepper, Vick) who have failed to succeed at the highest level. You mean...black quarterbacks? He ain't no Marino or Elway or Manning. You mean...white quarterbacks? Go back under your rock, bk. We'll call you when it's time for the next klan meetin'. Don't forget to starch your pointy hat! posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 11:29 AM CST on January 9 For you Texan, get a life. He was describing mobile quaterbacks, not black or white. Although mobile quarterbacks do alright in the NFL, they do not seem to be quite as valuable as pocket passers. Are you related to RZA some way?

posted by grabofsky74 at 12:54 PM on January 09

Re: playing or starting, I'd rather see a guy get thrown to the wolves. There is a certain amount of work involved in learning to be a quarterback that can only be learned on the field. If you make a guy wait you're just deferring making a real decision on what kind of player you have. So throw him out there. See what he can do. More importantly, see how he handles getting his ass handed to him. I don't really like watching the "development" of players like Roethlisburger, Orton, Simms, Vick. I'd rather see a young qb throw the ball 30 times, get sacked, get intercepted, and have the team lose a couple of extra games his rookie year if it helps the quarterback learn to value a quick release and accurate reads. There will come times in the above qb's careers where plays they could have made are not made, because they've spent their whole career dumping off to their safety valve in the flat.

posted by chmurray at 01:24 PM on January 09

If you don't believe that sitting for a year can help you learn the system and become a real star, please see Tom Brady and get back to me.

posted by grabofsky74 at 01:40 PM on January 09

hello my fellow sportologists! Please understand this QB issue is sort of sensitive to me. The so called black athlete is often steered away from that position because it envolves too much brainpower.You can not get into UT without brainpower or play football.QBs that run like that had an offensive line breakdown! A pocket QB has an outstanding line to protect him.Marino had a quick release so the line only needed the three steps.Elway was bone on bone in one knee from college. he ran when he could.Manning has been eating the pro style since he could comprehend.Putting blame where it belongs,the OL is why they end up on IR. To any of you that feel V. Young will fail I say this to you.Show me a QB that carried his team as he did in two straight Rose Bowls with his numbers.To be straight with you all, if the OL would block as they should then the QB could sit there and be in the pocket.The stupidity of the officials allowed USC to be in the Title game.The Bush push was not called!Why is there so much haterade in your systems?

posted by AASR-AF&AM at 01:54 PM on January 09

see Steve Young and get back to me!TB and SF.

posted by AASR-AF&AM at 01:55 PM on January 09

The Texans are not that far away from being nice.QB protection at the OL will help.

posted by AASR-AF&AM at 01:58 PM on January 09

I understand the temptation to go ahead and turn pro, but the idealist in me wishes just once a solid-lock-on-first-round player would say, "I'd like to graduate first." (The idealist in me is an idiot, of course.)

posted by alumshubby at 02:07 PM on January 09

AASR, if I have my doubts about Vince Young, I assure you it has nothing to do with the color of his skin and his unrelated level of intelligence (and assuming anyone else's motives on this site are those issues is a strong assumption). And, your comments about a quality OL are well-taken. However, my questionmarks relate to : - overhype as a result of playing against an obviously poor D - his mechanics - his decision-making (not an issue against SC, but several poor decisions against Ohio St ... and A&M, I think it was) But, Young seems like a quality individual, and I wouldn't be shocked if his athletic ability overcame this and he becomes a better-than-average QB.

posted by littleLebowski at 02:19 PM on January 09

You can not get into UT without brainpower While attending UT, I knew a junior in journalism school who thought El Paso was a state. I tutored a business-school sophomore who honestly didn't know what a noun was. (Your mileage may vary, of course.)

posted by alumshubby at 02:24 PM on January 09

grabofsky, you need to have a look at some of the other threads if you think I'm any relation to RZA. bluekarma has been known to toss around inflammatory racist comments in the past, and I'm quite certain this was another. In mentioning Culpepper, Marino or either Manning, you think he was describing a mobile quarterback? Give me a fucking break. These four make Walter Sapp look like a 100 meter sprinter by comaprison. He was pointing out perceived, stereotypical deficiencies and qualities in race, plain and simple. Know your sports and SpoFi history before you start popping off at the mouth and telling others how to run their lives.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 02:32 PM on January 09

If you don't believe that sitting for a year can help you learn the system and become a real star, please see Tom Brady and get back to me. Or Carson Palmer. But when they went in, the reigns (sp?) were off, in a way that isn't with the other quarterbacks. Take the reigns off. I think Tom Brady would be better than he is now if he started his rookie year, same with Palmer. Quarterbacks need brains? Please see Terry Bradshaw and get back to whoever started this "get back to me" meme.

posted by chmurray at 02:40 PM on January 09

Never intended the skin issue to be the subject. We forget that these are the pros., no such thing as average.Being paid for your skill brings about poor work and preparation in your game.Favre had a poor poor year because he did not have his normal crew catching or has he lost it.Jordan came back and still averaged more than some half his age with the same amount of shots. Work ethic!!!! Average QBs are in the sandlots or ten day contracts.Ty Detmer,234million yards thrown and beating teams 800 to 4 padding his stats!Ryan Leaf,the last name alone says it all! BRITTLE!!!!!All players become a gamble at the next level.Make a hole and Bush will eat their a@# up!The pocket breaks down and Young will show out.Everything comes out in time!Tommie Frazier and P. Manning had the same blood clot problem in coll.Tee Martin Won the naional title and beat Fla. at Tenn. he didn't get a pack of gum named after him.Manning got a street, sandwhich and whatever else. Marino,Elway,my Lord! Kosar! mechanics are needed in the garage.LOL! If you can throw a knuckler 60 yrds. get under the center. Any QB that changes the play went against the coach.If it works hero! If not zero! have to run to the ER! Chat later!

posted by AASR-AF&AM at 02:41 PM on January 09

That's uhhh...Warren Sapp I meant to mention there. Don't know about his brother, Walter.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 03:07 PM on January 09

While attending UT, I knew a junior in journalism school who thought El Paso was a state. **Jaw drops** OMG El paso a city not A state...Man that guy had to have been one or two things An Idoit or just plan dum. Or maybe Both...Who knows Amy

posted by marines_rock_13 at 03:08 PM on January 09

Its funny, what Young did during the Rose Bowl was really nothing new to those of us who had seen him play other games through out the season. Before the Rose Bowl it was widely communicated that Young should go back for his final year. Many pro Scouts and pundants said that he needed to develop his passing more. Then POW, he has a great Rose Bowl performance, and he is a "cant miss" prospect. Many have him in the Hall of Dame already. This is the same QB, who, two weeks ago, wasnt ready to become an NFL QB. There is more to life than a huge multi-million dollar contract.

posted by daddisamm at 03:22 PM on January 09

could have used another year. his passing needs some work. especially his delivery.But if it's me, I'm turning pro. How could you possibly blame him?

posted by dkern at 03:55 PM on January 09

dkern and daddisam, I agree he could use another year to polish his skills, but it's hard to imagine his stock being any higher than it is right now. He's just playing the game (the draft choice/ massive signing bonus game) by the rules laid before him.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 04:12 PM on January 09

I would hate to see the Texans or any team pass on Vince . HE MAY COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU!!!! Just ask Matt and Reggie. All they did was take his trophy and look at how much that pissed him off. Just imagine him coming back home to play against the TEXANS after they pass on him. Can you say Reggie's nightmare.

posted by Dallas at 04:15 PM on January 09

Personally, I'd much rather see Dallas find a way to land Vince, but that's just me.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 04:27 PM on January 09

Just imagine him coming back home to play against the TEXANS after they pass on him. Can you say Reggie's nightmare I Swear!...If the Texans pass him up. I'm going to houston and Kicking there A$$.(Nice way of saying it) I mean Come on...His Hometown is Houston!. So they BETTER NOT PASS HIM UP OR ELSE THE TEXANS'LL HAVE ME AND MY HOLE FAMILY TACKLE THEM! Amy

posted by marines_rock_13 at 04:30 PM on January 09

Personally, I'd much rather see Dallas find a way to land Vince, but that's just me. If The Texans dont get Young...Then I pray! Dallas gets him. Just cuz I Liked the Cowboys Before the Texans. But My dad Is from Houston So I'll stick with Texans For now...But if they do pass him Up. Then lets Hope Dallas gets him. Amy

posted by marines_rock_13 at 04:32 PM on January 09

Man that guy had to have been one or two things An Idoit or just plan dum. Comedy is where you find it. Many have him in the Hall of Dame already. Now I know where I'm going on summer vacation!

posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:36 PM on January 09

Now I know where I'm going on summer vacation! lol...Nice, real nice.

posted by marines_rock_13 at 04:46 PM on January 09

Young needs to work on his release point, but I can see him being a good NFL quarterback in the right situation -- which in my mind would be with Tennessee, where he could be brought along a bit more slowly, assuming the Titans can get another year out of McNair, who would be a great tutor...

posted by ajaffe at 07:14 PM on January 09

I don't think Young will be as good in the NFL as he is now. He is able to get away with a lot throwing wise in college because of his speed. Unfortunatley for him, linebackers in the NFL are just as fast, which will open up his weakness in throwing.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 07:49 PM on January 09

Know your sports and SpoFi history before you start popping off at the mouth and telling others how to run their lives. Actually, Texan, in the research that was done to find out if bluekarma was a "racist" or not, I searched through his posts just until this past July. In August there may have been what was "considered" a racist comment made, but it wasn't until July that I saw anything that would be commonly refered to a racist. Also that was a post regarding names of teams. I have only been a member here for the last few months and I find it difficult to search through every single posting to find who may or may not be racist. Although I do find that someone who brings in the race card into something that, most intelligent people would consider a nonracial comment, racist. I don't know if you are black/white/green/red/purple/pink/orange/yellow/blue or whatever and I couldn't care less. I think that your comment was uncalled for and stupid. As for you being related to RZA, although you seem to have you differences with him (as seen in the Locker Room) you apparently have some serious issues. You seem to be quite wishy-washy in some of your views. I can actually respect RZA's comments more than I can respect the one that you made here, because at least he is consistant. I appoligize to everyone, but Texan, who might have taken the time to read this particular comment. As I have seen in previous posts, I wanted to take it to e-mail. I checked on Texan and was unable to find an e-mail address for him.

posted by grabofsky74 at 09:23 PM on January 09

My point was that two weeks ago many "experts" were having their doubts about Young. He did his same old type of performance during the Rose Bowl and everybody goes ga ga over him. Its silly- I dont blame him for taking the money but how many "cant miss" people who came out early were a bust??? One more college year would only increase his value.

posted by daddisamm at 07:45 AM on January 10

Well grabofsky, I have no intention of fitting into a cookie-cutter, clear-cut, right and wrong world. If you can't see shades of gray in your comfortable, black and white universe then you'll never be able to understand any personality that is not simple. I think the best way we can relate to one another is to agree to disagree and leave it at that. Back to the subject at hand... daddisam, I understand the gist of what you're saying but we're going to have to disagree on one more year of college increasing Vince's value; I just don't see that happening. You're right that a top 10 talent 2 weeks ago is now top 3 after one amazing performance. But it's that over-the-top perception that all the so-called experts have for him that make it wise for Vince to go pro now. I think there's too much bad that can happen on the injury front for him to risk one more year.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 01:48 PM on January 10

Hey everone I'm Back From Houston...And My cuzin thanks The Texans Should Tread some of there CHEER LEDERS! ((or how ever the hell ya spell it)) Amy

posted by marines_rock_13 at 10:24 AM on January 12

I for one wouldn't mind treading in sea of cheerleaders.

posted by willthrill72 at 12:35 PM on January 12

Hey everone I'm Back From Houston Thank God...I was so worried. Our misspellings-per-post ratio suddenly dropped sharply, nearly causing a panic.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 02:52 PM on January 12

Hey everone I'm Back From Houston...And My cuzin thanks The Texans Should Tread some of there CHEER LEDERS! ((or how ever the hell ya spell it)) Give me your address and I'll send you some plane tickets so you can go right back.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 06:36 PM on January 12

Give me your address and I'll send you some plane tickets so you can go right back. And why do you want me to go back?...It's not Baseball season so It's not like I'm missing an Astros game or anything...And besides I'll probably be there alot in the next few years...Got cuzins there, Favourite Baseball team is there ya know... Amy

posted by marines_rock_13 at 12:30 PM on January 16

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