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Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

I feel like the Powers That Be will realize that the money will come anyway thanks to the B1G Network and suchlike

I wonder about this, too. People have said similar things about Roger Goodell as well, but really, how hard is it to make boatloads of money for Michigan or the NFL? I'm not saying that I would be a good candidate, but I don't buy that these guys are irreplaceable from a financial standpoint, particularly when they are generating this much bad press which must (at least over time) have a cost.

posted by bender at 12:20 PM on September 30

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A couple of years back, Lance Moore of the Saints was penalized for doing a soccer-style slide after catching a touchdown in a London game at Wembley. I thought it was a clever nod to his surroundings, but seems the officials did not want to make allowance for the setting.

posted by holden at 12:10 PM on September 30

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Michael Phelps arrested for DUI

posted by BornIcon at 11:43 AM on September 30

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

With all the money Brandon brings into the university it is more likely that they might keep him.

I feel like the Powers That Be will realize that the money will come anyway thanks to the B1G Network and suchlike, and that on-field success is going to drive that more than selling another ad on the stadium. I think the only way Brandon sticks around is firing Hoke and getting a #1 top tier proven coach, or convincing Schlissel etc. that a new AD won't be able to hire that #1 top tier proven coach until he gets his feet on the ground.

(If UM fires Brandon and then Hoke, hopefully the biology professor at the top won't notice that Charlie Weis is now available).

Ann Arbor will burn to the fucking ground if they hire Weis. To the ground.

(My favorite thing about Charlie Weis right now is that he's still being paid by both Notre Dame and Kansas not to coach. You have to admire that level of Getting Over.)

posted by Etrigan at 11:26 AM on September 30

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I read the first few comments after that article.

posted by grum@work at 10:57 AM on September 30

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

The NFL must be working hard to keep UM from hiring John Harbaugh.

1) As long as he stays with the Ravens, he can't come out and tell his side of the Rice story in its entirety. Which would likely not make the team or the league look good.

2) The league hungers for compelling themes to coin revenue from. If they lose one of the Harbaughs and Peyton retires, the NFL will be toast in the brotherly love cash cow department. Somehow, Rob and Rex Ryan just don't pull the same numbers (or heart strings) on the Hallmark scale.

(If UM fires Brandon and then Hoke, hopefully the biology professor at the top won't notice that Charlie Weis is now available).

posted by beaverboard at 09:52 AM on September 30

SportsFilter: The Tuesday Huddle

Flag 'em all and let God sort it out.

posted by Hugh Janus at 09:43 AM on September 30

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Referees flagged Chiefs safety Husain Abdullah for celebration penalty after slide and prayer in endzone. GIF

Celebration penalties are dumb on the whole, but this in particular is no different than what any number of other players do.

posted by bender at 09:17 AM on September 30

SportsFilter Fantasy Hockey Needs 4 Owners

Welcome, imbiber of the finest in crotch cocktails. We have one opening left.

posted by rcade at 09:04 AM on September 30

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

The student section immediately broke out into a FIRE BRANDON chant (Dave Brandon is the AD who has pissed off the students, the faculty, the alumni and pretty much everyone else he's physically capable of pissing off at least once in his five-year tenure). Not FIRE BRADY -- I think the students have accepted that Hoke is simply in over his head.

I sit in the front row of the student section. After the game a woman we believe to be Hoke's daughter confronted us saying that the "Fire Brady" chants were "assholeish" and that it affects him/them. We had to explain that we were chanting "Fire Brandon" and not "Fire Brady". There is no real reason to chant "Fire Brady" since he is as good as gone. With all the money Brandon brings into the university it is more likely that they might keep him.

The band also began playing in between every play in an effort to keep us from chanting.

It is extremely likely that Michigan will break its streak of over 100,000 fans in attendance this year. I'm skeptical that they will be able to fill the seats come November when it is colder and they have lost a few more games.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 08:15 AM on September 30

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Alright, the Carolina Booze Panties are in.

posted by NoMich at 08:09 AM on September 30

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

The ever-present Unnamed Q. Source says that two Michigan Men are already being considered for Brandon's job.

This is against a backdrop of a brand-new UM President with very little experience in dealing with big-time college athletics (he was Dean of Biological Sciences at Cal, but that's as close as he got). One of the most-cited (locally, at least) issues in the disastrous hire of Rich Rodriguez back in 2007 was that no one involved in the hire had ever conducted a coaching search before. If Schlissel and the Board of Regents want to get rid of Brandon and Hoke, they'll want to dump Brandon ASAP to get someone in place to hire Hoke's replacement before Signing Day.

posted by Etrigan at 06:03 AM on September 30

Tackled Ohio State Student Was Wearing Secret Booze Panties

Too bad the kid didn't puke all over the strength coach. The price of vigilantism.

posted by Hugh Janus at 02:24 AM on September 30

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

Fire them all! Every last one of them!

posted by Hugh Janus at 02:13 AM on September 30

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Also, Dave Grohl is now starting for the bills.

posted by Bonkers at 12:28 AM on September 30

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Fox Sports reporting the Raiders have fired head coach Dennis Allen. It's on Wikipedia, so it must be official.

posted by Bonkers at 11:54 PM on September 29

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

Fire Hoke NOW, don't wait for the end of the year, don't forget to fire the athletic director also.

posted by ic23b at 10:16 PM on September 29

Tackled Ohio State Student Was Wearing Secret Booze Panties

Stupid fool, glad he was taken to the ground hard, he will be lucky if they don't take his free ride through college away. The student screwed up and needs to accept the blame for his actions.

posted by ic23b at 10:13 PM on September 29

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

Pretty darn well delineated Peter principle threshold on Hoke's career track. He did pretty well at his previous stops. He can probably use metrics to figure out where he should go next without exceeding his competency quotient after he gets canned at UM. Aim only as high as is reasonably appropriate. He's gonna get hired somewhere. He doesn't necessarily have to settle for a UTEP level gig.

UM must be writhing a bit. Premature to write them off as a relevant major program, and they've seen other schools crawl back from the precipice with solid hires, such as Bama and OSU. They need to nail the next HC decision. They can't lose to Columbus indefinitely. Lloyd Carr will end up trading swag for tats.

posted by beaverboard at 09:20 PM on September 29

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

Considering how bad Morris was, the fact that Brady Hoke is still employed at the University of Michigan nearly 48 hours after the game makes me think the AD should join the list of those who should be relieved of their duties as well.

There have been calls for that as well, though I would agree that this particular episode is sufficient reason on its own.

posted by bender at 08:29 PM on September 29

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Someday a quarterback is going to be lit up doing this trick play. I salute that future linebacker.

posted by rcade at 06:05 PM on September 29

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Thinking of the possible captioning for that photo, hard to know whether to go with the Reddick or the South Effingham angle.

posted by beaverboard at 05:11 PM on September 29

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

Considering how bad Morris was, the fact that Brady Hoke is still employed at the University of Michigan nearly 48 hours after the game makes me think the AD should join the list of those who should be relieved of their duties as well.

You are not alone in this -- I was at the game, and near the end of the 1st half, on 3rd and 13 from about the 3 yard line, Hoke called a run up the middle. The student section immediately broke out into a FIRE BRANDON chant (Dave Brandon is the AD who has pissed off the students, the faculty, the alumni and pretty much everyone else he's physically capable of pissing off at least once in his five-year tenure). Not FIRE BRADY -- I think the students have accepted that Hoke is simply in over his head.

I left the game (sick kid) after the third quarter, but saw that play later and was appalled that Morris went back in (aside from the fact that Hoke should have been arguing over the targeting non-call for long enough for the third-string QB to get his damn helmet on in the first place).

Hoke might finish the season, but he won't be Michigan's coach in January.

posted by Etrigan at 04:19 PM on September 29

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

A: Because Josh Reddick.

posted by yerfatma at 03:57 PM on September 29

Tackled Ohio State Student Was Wearing Secret Booze Panties

His 32 ounce booze panties were empty. I don't know what goes best in crotch spirits -- I would go with a nice Belgian dubbel, tripel or quad if I could keep it cold -- but if he chose vodka his panties could hold 16 shots.

posted by rcade at 02:27 PM on September 29

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

Sometimes you see a photo and wonder do I want to know?

posted by rcade at 02:22 PM on September 29

Tackled Ohio State Student Was Wearing Secret Booze Panties

I don't understand: why did that make him run on the field?

posted by yerfatma at 02:19 PM on September 29

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

Considering how bad Morris was, the fact that Brady Hoke is still employed at the University of Michigan nearly 48 hours after the game makes me think the AD should join the list of those who should be relieved of their duties as well.

posted by NerfballPro at 01:56 PM on September 29

Brady Hoke's Dangerous Incompetence So Bad ESPN Announcers Denounce It

This is appalling. There should be an immediate investigation into all coaches who saw Morris looking so wobbly after the illegal hit and let him go back in, and Hoke should be held responsible regardless of his claim he didn't see it.

When Hoke says this, it's the kind of callous and unenlightened remark that got Mike Leach dumped by Texas Tech: "I don't know if he had a concussion or not, I don't know that. Shane's a pretty competitive, tough kid. And Shane wanted to be the quarterback, and so, believe me, if he didn't want to be he would've come to the sideline or stayed down."

A coach at any level who ignored the heatstroke and dehydration risks at practice and got a player killed would be fired and potentially prosecuted. We've become more enlightened about that. Maybe it's time for the same approach towards concussions.

posted by rcade at 01:48 PM on September 29

SportsFilter Fantasy Hockey Needs 4 Owners

We gained another owner and lost Brett Ballantini, so we still have two spots left.

Not sure what's going on here. If the proposal to collect dues is a dealbreaker to anybody, I wish they'd let me know. I floated the idea because I thought it would make the league more competitive. If an owner is adamant about not paying dues, they can be excluded from the dues and the prizes could go to the top four owners who did contribute to the pot.

posted by rcade at 12:25 PM on September 29

Jose Altuve Asks to Play, Risks Batting Title

I had Altuve and won my league, too! All hail Altuve!

posted by ajaffe at 11:30 AM on September 29

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

Saw the Cowboys were up 24-0 and figured I'd better tune in to watch them fold and lose. To my surprise they actually ran the ball on a few plays when they had the lead.

Even more amazing was the response of the Dallas crowd to running plays. On the possession following the Saints 2nd touchdown putting them within reach the Cowboys handed the ball to Murray on 1st down. Murray and the Cowboys offensive line shredded the Saints defense for a 6 yard gain as they had been doing all game ... and a hush comes over the home crowd.

What?

Either it was complete astonishment on how to respond to a dominating running attack since it has been so long that the Cowboys actually chose to use their strength or the Cowboys fans find it more exciting watching Romo chuck the ball all over and throw a few quick picks to cough up the lead.

posted by cixelsyd at 11:23 AM on September 29

Jose Altuve Asks to Play, Risks Batting Title

I think you should commission a Jose Altuve thermos to celebrate.

It could be life-sized and still fit in your lunch box.

posted by grum@work at 11:06 AM on September 29

Jose Altuve Asks to Play, Risks Batting Title

I think you should commission a Jose Altuve thermos to celebrate.

posted by bender at 10:53 AM on September 29

Jose Altuve Asks to Play, Risks Batting Title

Altuve helped me win my first fantasy sports title in 27 years of trying. I'm somebody now! This is the kind of spontaneous publicity that makes people! Things are going to start happening to me now.

posted by rcade at 10:38 AM on September 29

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Sadly, the Rcade Cup is being held in London this year. It only has been held once in the Insurance capital of Florida, back in 2006.

This game is a tough one for me in seasons when both teams have something to lose by losing. But I didn't expect to face that dilemma this time around.

I guess I'm rooting for Jacksonville to get a late equalizer and for Dallas to score the winner in extra time.

posted by rcade at 10:36 AM on September 29

Jose Altuve Asks to Play, Risks Batting Title

"Pure Baseball Joy in a Pint-Size and Prolific Package".

posted by yerfatma at 10:11 AM on September 29

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Cowboys win the Lee Harvey Oswald Invitational at home for the first time in over 20 years.

They compete for the Rcade Cup in early November in Jacksonville in a contest that should prove to be a gut-wrenching test of long standing loyalties.

posted by beaverboard at 08:36 AM on September 29

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Fixed link

posted by grum@work at 12:05 AM on September 29

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delete

posted by BoKnows at 11:04 PM on September 28

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On June 17th*, the following teams led their divisions:

Toronto (3.5 games ahead of NY)
Kansas City (0.5 games ahead of Detroit)
Oakland (4.5 games ahead of LA)

Atlanta (tied with Washington)
Milwaukee (3.5 games ahead of St. Louis)
San Francisco (5.5 games ahead of LA)

None of them finished the season as division champs.

*for about 20 minutes, between the end of the KC game and the end of the Washington game.

posted by grum@work at 10:31 PM on September 28

Jose Altuve Asks to Play, Risks Batting Title

He came in as a late pinch-hitter today, but otherwise rode the pine.

posted by rcade at 07:37 PM on September 28

SportsFilter Fantasy Hockey Needs 4 Owners

Yep. We gained one owner and lost Meatsaber, so we have two spots left.

posted by rcade at 07:37 PM on September 28

SportsFilter Fantasy Hockey Needs 4 Owners

You still need someone?

posted by NoMich at 06:12 PM on September 28

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Former Ohio State linebacker and current Ohio State strength coach Anthony Schlegel has still got it.

posted by bender at 06:01 PM on September 28

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the Expos had a few

Four, and 2 shortened no-hitters.

posted by tommytrump at 05:14 PM on September 28

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Here's some video, also with a gif of Zimmermann's heartbreak followed by jubilation, which is just outstanding. I would also like to correct my earlier comment that while it was the Nationals' first no-hitter, the Expos had a few, so it was not the first for the franchise.

posted by bender at 04:30 PM on September 28

Jose Altuve Asks to Play, Risks Batting Title

In contrast, Justin Morneau sat out the last two games of the season to preserve his NL batting title.

posted by grum@work at 04:26 PM on September 28

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I just saw that live. I didn't think there was any chance it gets caught, and Zimmermann didn't think so either when it left the bat. Great play.

posted by rcade at 04:06 PM on September 28

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Jordan Zimmermann just pitched the franchise's first no-no to close out the Nationals' regular season. Rookie Steven Souza Jr. made a hell of a catch in LF for out #27 to rob Christian Yelich of extra bases.

posted by bender at 03:50 PM on September 28

33 Short Stories about 33

OMG, Kevin Gamble, I forgot about him and what a sweet shot he had. The tail end of the halfway decent Celtics.

posted by yerfatma at 09:43 PM on September 27

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My specific question about WAR and position with ARod and Jeter is, assuming they'd each play the other's position about equally well (or better/worse if you want to speculate), how much would their WAR change simply by putting SS or 3B by their names. The napkin math is they'd each go up/down 5 wins over the last decade, possibly more if they were each better suited to the other's position (i.e., that Jeter would play 3B better than ARod and vice versa).

My general double-counting issue with WAR is that it grants a blanket bonus for defensive position while also counting their actual defensive contribution- positive or negative. If Jeter for example were a below-replacement level shortstop (and your last post above suggests he was about break even compared to replacement level?), why should he get a positional bonus? I could put David Ortiz at shortstop, he'd play it really poorly and lose points for that, but apparently that would also swing his WAR from -15 runs to +7.5 simply by having him put on a glove. He'd still make some plays, it's not like he'd be a statue, but he'd miss a lot of plays in his zone, plays a AAA replacement SS would make and ultimately cost his team significant runs.

To my way of thinking, the positional bump comes from the number of plays over the number of chances. The goal is to get 27 outs and have more runs than the opposing team, and all outs are created equal. Of course, more plays are generally made involving a SS or CF than by a LF or 3B, which is the root of their greater value; you want your best defenders touching the ball the most, same as you want your best hitters getting the most at-bats.

A player who played poor shortstop would actually cost his team more runs than playing a replacement-level LF. Similarly, a great defender will make more outs- and thus save more runs, and thus have a greater defensive WAR- than the average, and in a position where they make a lot of plays that can be substantial! For example, in 1999 Andruw Jones lapped the league and had nearly 100 more putouts in CF than the next highest person (and the 10th highest all time), for a defensive WAR of 3.8. He was worth 3.8 more wins than a replacement player just with his glove!

Which is great, but he doesn't need a CF positional bonus: he already got it by having a chance at and making 492 putouts on balls hit in his general area. Again, if we could put David Ortiz (not to pick on the guy) in CF on that same team, he might be lucky to make 1/3 of the plays Jones did, and thus would be a huge negative in the field, and promptly put back at DH. But someone has to play each position, and in the case of ARod and Jeter, the wrong person was in each by manager's discretion.

Now, separately a GM would clearly want to know if they were hiring a SS or a 1B, because a SS with a +3 WAR glove is rarer than a generic hitter with a +3 WAR bat. But from the assessment of WAR as "wins above replacement" I think it should be more position neutral. If you play a position and have a net positive runs saved (or negative runs allowed) over replacement, that should alter your WAR.

Just my two cents...

posted by hincandenza at 04:24 PM on September 27

SportsFilter Fantasy Hockey Needs 4 Owners

Another slot has been claimed by Hoser from the Drudge Retort.

Still can't find last year's champ Steve Hollister of Pimpin' Ain't Parise. I was hoping he'd be around so his hopes to repeat could be dashed.

posted by rcade at 12:34 PM on September 27

33 Short Stories about 33

Loved it when McHale broke Bird's team scoring record with a 56 point night and Bird said he should have gone for 60. Then Bird goes out and scores 60 himself a few nights later.

In a small New Orleans college gym no less. Love those huge games in obscure facilities. At least there was footage of Bird's accomplishment, unlike Wilt's 100 in Hershey, PA.

Also, Kevin Gamble loved the rims at the old Garden and said that he hoped that they would be brought over to the new building. Because they were apparently forgiving. Bird said something to the effect of that if your shot was hitting the net, it wouldn't matter how helpful the rims were.

posted by beaverboard at 08:18 AM on September 27

33 Short Stories about 33

Thanks for that, yerfatma. Celtics open practice for season ticket holders is one week from today. My blood is starting to run green. Rondo's out until mid-November with a broken hand, the team will be run by Paul Pressey and Marcus Smart, Sullinger and Olynyik are the only notables left over from last season, and another lottery finish looks probable. It doesn't matter. When you have been following the Celtics for as long as I have, there's always enthusiasm and pride.

posted by Howard_T at 09:18 PM on September 26

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

MTL by 7

Edmonton by 4

Hamilton by 3

Calgary by 3

posted by JPR at 07:10 PM on September 26

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Holy crap. It's Friday, I haven't even started supper, and I have to get these picks done. Talk about poor planning. Well, here goes:

Montreal at Ottawa: Then there was the man who invented the corduroy pillow. The pillow wasn't much to look at, but it sure made a lot of headlines. The RedBlacks will not have their heads on any pillows but will make the headlines. Perhaps they will use the feathers from the Larks to stuff the pillows. Ottawa by 6.

Saskatchewan at Edmonton: Rough Riders head for Eskimo country with a sniff of first place in the air. Rough riding on the ice can result in some notable tumbles, and so it will be in Edmonton. Edmonton by 4.

Hamilton at Winnipeg: Blue Bombers seem to be down for maintenance while the kitty cats look to be learning how to hunt like tigers. Can the repairs to the bombers be done in time? Can the Tiger Cats avoid being distracted by catnip? Since the Cats are at the airfield, look for the Bombers to fly again. Winnipeg by 6.

BC at Calgary: On the African plain the presence of a lion can cause the zebra to stampede. The only zebras present at this contest will also carry whistles, and they aren't running from anything. So do the Stampeders live up to their name and run amok? The Lions are fearsome and could be mighty hungry. Once the herd starts moving, there will be no stopping the rout. BC by 14.

posted by Howard_T at 06:30 PM on September 26

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Ottawa by 3

Edmonton by 3

Hamilton by 7 (begrudgingly)

BC by 4

posted by Reever at 05:35 PM on September 26

SportsFilter Fantasy Hockey Needs 4 Owners

One slot has been claimed by Brett Ballantini. Three more open.

We're voting on the league's ESPN site on whether to collect $25 dues to give to the winner (50%), runner-up (30%) and other two playoff teams (20% and 10%).

posted by rcade at 04:30 PM on September 26

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Montreal by 4

Edmonton by 12

Winnipeg by 3

Calgary by 14

posted by rcade at 04:28 PM on September 26

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

Ronaldo is good. And fast. And good.

posted by yerfatma at 04:13 PM on September 26

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Montreal by 7
Saskatchewan by 3
Winnipeg by 9
B.C. by 8

posted by DrJohnEvans at 04:01 PM on September 26

33 Short Stories about 33

Gotta love Larry Legend!

posted by BornIcon at 02:55 PM on September 26

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

The Daily Show goes deep on the Washington Footballers.

posted by billsaysthis at 11:10 AM on September 26

NFL Pick 'Em, Week 4

You can still make this week's picks, grum. Obviously you won't be able to pick last night's game, but the rest of the games are still open.

posted by NoMich at 10:14 AM on September 26

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FanGraphs on Jeter's value. Touches on at least part of the question of what he was or was not worth. Includes a link to an analysis of his defensive value:

In the past 50 years, 507 different players have batted at least 5,000 times . . . sort by Positional-per-150-games, and you find Jeter in 57th place, around names like Cal Ripken, Rafael Furcal and Omar Vizquel. This is the positional adjustment, and Jeter gets major points for being a shortstop — a position of considerable difficulty.

Sort by Defense-per-150-games, and you find Jeter in 252nd place. In other words, he's right in the middle of the pack, near guys like Jeff Blauser, Andre Dawson and Willie McGee. He comes out at -1.5 runs on that scale. He's ahead of John Olerud. He's ahead of Mark Grace and Rickey Henderson and Moises Alou. Jeter has drawn the criticism that he's cost his team runs by playing a lousy shortstop, but overall he's still been a reasonably valuable defensive player. That's just because of his reliability at a difficult position.

posted by yerfatma at 09:58 AM on September 26

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

Jeter isn't going to be remembered for a walk off single

Will that be the only thing he's remembered for? Of course not. But to think baseball fans won't remember that is silly. Ted Williams ended his career with a home run. He did so 15 years before I was born and I know that off the top of my head.

one of my long-standing dislikes about WAR metrics is how much it seems to favor, or even double-count, positional adjustments

What's the problem with valuing production more at SS than 1B? There are plenty of guys in the minors who could hit .250/.300/.400 and hide at 1B/DH in the majors; their problem is there are 60 or so people who can produce a bit to a whole lot better blocking them. I can understand disagreeing with the weights applied to the various positions, but it seems like a decent if rough way to level the comparison. It's a nod to scarcity: if you can generate a 100 OPS+ at any position that's nice, but if you can do it at a premium defensive position while not hurting the team, that's more valuable.

Is that what you're describing as "double-count[ing]" or is that a separate part? I suppose if defensive metrics were better than guesswork we could drop the adjustment but until then, it makes sense to me. And even with a perfect defensive metric, wouldn't you weight runs saved at SS/CF/C over runs saved at 1B? Hmm, maybe not, that doesn't make sense when I type it out. WAR does wind up doing double- or even triple-duty: firstly people want to use it to compare pitchers to position players and then, at least at FanGraphs, it seems to be the building block for player dollar values which is probably where the problem lies: the scarcity thing isn't that important on the field during a game, but it makes a huge difference when putting together a team.

posted by yerfatma at 09:01 AM on September 26

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

Who put the scotch bonnet in the NY Giants' decaf?

posted by beaverboard at 07:32 AM on September 26

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

Jeter isn't going to be remembered for a walk off single in a season where his presence prevented his team from securing a playoff berth, but a nice ending non the less. He will be remembered for clutch performances when the competition was most intense.

You're wrong. Baseball is arguably the most romantic of the major professional sports. The narrative of one of the most clutch hitters in this generation going out on a walk-off single in his last home game is the kind of story arc that lasts. This will be part of the folklore on Jeter.

The playoff moments will certainly be what people recall first, but going out on a game-winning hit is more or less the plot of most sports fiction for a reason. People love to imagine things ending like this.

posted by dfleming at 02:37 AM on September 26

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Ottawa by 6

Saskatchewan by 21

Hamilton by 14

Calgary by 18

posted by ic23b at 01:19 AM on September 26

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

I'd be interested in your take on this, grum: one of my long-standing dislikes about WAR metrics is how much it seems to favor, or even double-count, positional adjustments. I.e., that a given offensive output is worth more or less based on the position you play (which I will still believe is a flawed analysis in WAR), on top of the defense elements of WAR.

My own misgivings aside, when A-Rod went to the Yankees any sabermetrician would tell you that A-Rod was the clear choice for SS... which of course isn't how the Yankees handled it.

So: how much would their WAR values change if they'd done the right thing from 2004 onward, with Jeter at 3B and A-Rod at SS?

The napkin guess is that the positional adjustment alone is +5 runs from 3B to SS, so half a win a year over 10 years = ~5 wins more for A-Rod and ~5 wins less. But that would be leaving aside the likely defensive adjustments; Jeter is often criticized for not being good moving far to his left ("pasta diving Jeter" being the joke in Red Sox Nation), which is somewhat less important at 3B.

Jeter cost the Yankees collectively quite a few wins with his horrible SS glovework, where A-Rod was still about replacement level or slightly better at 3B (and a win or two better than replacement at SS). Presumably, both players would have become better defenders by each switching to the other's positions.

In addition, Jeter might collectively have been worth more WAR since while he'd lose the positional adjustment bonus, he also might have been replacement level or so at 3B which would potentially bump his overall WAR well up. Similarly, A-Rod would benefit his WAR with that positional adjustment- because his offensive stats in his prime would be even more godlike at SS- and from what I can tell at he did leave a win or two on the table in the defensive falloff from SS to 3B.

It seems like the Yankees literally left several wins on the table each year by playing these guys at their wrong positions (and as a Sox fan- thanks, guys!). I'm curious if we could go back and guesstimate how each would play the other's positions, and what the raw runs/wins and positional adjustment would have played out.

posted by hincandenza at 12:20 AM on September 26

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

I guess this clears the way for ARod to play shortstop for the next 3 seasons

It might be 11 years to late, but Jeter finally did leave the shortstop position for ARod!

In all seriousness, there isn't a chance ARod plays anything but DH next year. His fielding at 3B was beginning to unravel the last couple of years, and being another year older after sitting out for an entire season means he's going to be...well...Jeteriffic at shortstop.

As a DH, he might still have something left in the tank, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see him be...well...Jeteriffic (2013-2014) at the plate in 2015.

posted by grum@work at 11:27 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

After everything I just posted, Derek Jeter went ahead and wrote his storybook ending tonight.

Jeter isn't going to be remembered for a walk off single in a season where his presence prevented his team from securing a playoff berth, but a nice ending non the less. He will be remembered for clutch performances when the competition was most intense.

I guess this clears the way for ARod to play shortstop for the next 3 seasons.

posted by cixelsyd at 11:14 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

Ha!

posted by grum@work at 11:03 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

I believe the "Kirk Cousins should be starting vice RGIII" train has officially derailed.

posted by Bonkers at 10:55 PM on September 25

NFL Pick 'Em, Week 4

This is the second week in a row that I forgot there was a game on Thursday, and I didn't submit a damn pick.

posted by grum@work at 10:33 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

After everything I just posted, Derek Jeter went ahead and wrote his storybook ending tonight.

I feel bad for the Yankee/Red Sox fans who shelled out thousands of dollars for tickets to this weekend's games, cuz I don't think Jeter is going to play in any of them after tonight.

posted by grum@work at 10:32 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

As well, the Padres team OPS (.634) and OPS (85) are higher than Jeter.

Right but the stat lines you posted previously are avg/obp/slug, right? And obviously, we have some injury/PED/consistency issues with the constantly rotating non-Seth Smith people and only one person qualifying for the batting title. So, yeah, I think Jeter would have been a net benefit to the Pads this season.

I'm going to go sit on the porch and look forlornly into the distance now.

posted by LionIndex at 10:11 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

So he's better than 99.9999999 percent of the population of the world. That's pretty good.

If the Earth's population is 7.125billion, your suggestion is that he's better than everyone but 7 people on Earth. Obviously that isn't true. Based on OPS+ (min 100 games), there are 227 players in this league that are better than him (out of 247 that meet the requirement).

A better statement would be that ~92% of MLB players were better than him (min 100 games played in 2014).

posted by grum@work at 09:30 PM on September 25

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

CFL teams re-named with Australian native animals. The Montreal Mallee Fowls by 7. I hope they don't get the hump. The Edmonton Echidnas by 10. Well, they laid an egg last week. The Winnipeg Wombats by 12. The wombat - eats, roots and leaves. The Calgary Cassowaries by 9. Let's give BC a good kicking.

posted by owlhouse at 09:28 PM on September 25

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I think he'd come pretty close to leading the Padres all those months, if not doing so outright.

April:
Jeter OPS: .661
Rank if compared to Padres (min 80 AB): 3rd behind Chris Denorfia (.775) & Everth Cabrera (.691)

May:
Jeter OPS: .670
Rank if compared to Padres (min 80 AB): 3rd behind Seth Smith (1.142) & Yonder Alonso (.779)

June:
Jeter OPS: .639
Rank if compared to Padres (min 80 AB): 1st (only one qualifier Everth Cabrera .344)

July:
Jeter OPS: .660
Rank if compared to Padres (min 80 AB): 2nd behind only other qualifier, Alexi Amarista (.669)

Overall:
Only one player qualified for the batting title in San Diego this year, Seth Smith, and his OPS is .814 (compared to Jeter's .611).
If you drop the requirements to only 100 games played, then Seth Smith, Yasmani Grandal (.706), and Tommy Medica (.705) beat him.

If you use OPS+ (therefore equalizing by factoring in park effects, as Petco is a pitcher's park), then Jeter (74) would finish behind those three and Alexi Amarista (78), Jedd Gyorko (77), and Wil Venerable (77).

As well, the Padres team OPS (.634) and OPS (85) are higher than Jeter.

posted by grum@work at 09:24 PM on September 25

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

monti by 5

edi by 4

hami by 6

cali by 4

posted by argoal at 08:06 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

"The suspension given to Simmons by ESPN for criticizing Goodell is actually one week longer than the original suspension given to Rice for knocking out his girlfriend in an Atlantic City elevator."

Does anyone know what condition his socks were in?

posted by Mr Bismarck at 08:00 PM on September 25

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Just checked. He'd be leading the team in average by 10 points. He'd be better than the team's average OBP by 40 points or so, but his slugging is a little below average. I'm sure we can work out a deal with him for next year, right?

posted by LionIndex at 07:39 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

I think he'd come pretty close to leading the Padres all those months, if not doing so outright.

posted by LionIndex at 07:34 PM on September 25

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Montreal by 6

Saskatchewan by 3

Hamilton by 10

BC by 4

posted by goddam at 07:16 PM on September 25

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So he's better than 99.9999999 percent of the population of the world. That's pretty good.

posted by Etrigan at 04:49 PM on September 25

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From Bonker's article:

"There's been so much talk about this during the course of the season, and I've said, you look at Derek, he had a slow April. He had a pretty good May, a pretty good June and pretty good July.

Presented without comment:

April: .272/.352/.309 - 127th out of 171 players with at least 80 AB that month
May: .275/.327/.343 - 126th out of 175 players with at least 80 AB that month
June: .272/.309/.330 - 127th out of 165 players with at least 80 AB that month
July: .289/.340/.320 - 105th out 137 players with at least 80 AB that month

posted by grum@work at 04:21 PM on September 25

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Montreal by 9

Edmonton by 7

Hamilton by 7

Calgary by 10

posted by cixelsyd at 03:52 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

Sometimes, the Mets let you down immediately, even if it takes a whole year to set it up.

posted by Etrigan at 03:25 PM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Wednesday Huddle

I think I buried the lede a bit with the short link. The article suggests Betts is, right now, a 3.3 WAR player just as a utility guy. That's at age 21 and puts him in the top 60 or so hitters this year with the potential to be a 4+ player if he were at 2B. It's not so much they shouldn't sacrifice him because the return wouldn't be that great, it's more like appreciate what he is instead of wishing for a slugger. He's definitely an interesting case; guys like Victorino, Zobrist and Sam Fuld have made me appreciate the non-star stars in baseball.

posted by yerfatma at 02:56 PM on September 25

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Ottawa by 3
Edmonton by 12
Hamilton by 2
Calgary by 13

posted by bender at 02:02 PM on September 25

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Ottawa by 6

Edmonton by 11

Hamilton by 9

British Columbia by 8

posted by tommytrump at 01:38 PM on September 25

CFL Pick 'Em, Week 14

Toronto surprises everyone with a rare win in Vancouver, while Hamilton comes from behind to beat the Esks. Montreal shocks the bookies with a big win over Calgary, and even Ottawa makes it close against Saskatchewan.

TOR @ BCEDM @ HAMCGY @ MTLOTT @ SSK
ResultToronto by 17Hamilton by 2Montreal by 16Saskatchewan by 3
Margin of Error12 to 221 to 311 to 212 to 4

Tough week for points given the surprises on the scoreboard, but argoal puts together a nice four-point week to move into a tie for third.

SpoFiteTOR @ BCSEDM @ HAMSCGY @ MTLSOTT @ SSKSPointsTotal Points
Howard_T Saskatchewan 146
owlhouse Saskatchewan 146
JPR Saskatchewan 143
argoalToronto Hamilton3 Saskatchewan 443
rcade Hamilton Saskatchewan 242
DrJohnEvans Saskatchewan 141
goddam Hamilton Saskatchewan 241
cixelsydToronto Saskatchewan 241
ReeverToronto Saskatchewan 240
tommytrumpToronto Hamilton Saskatchewan 339
ic23b Hamilton Saskatchewan 238
bender Hamilton2 334
Ying Yang Mafia Hamilton3 Saskatchewan 328

WEEK 14

Back to divisional play this week, so maybe the world will make a little more sense.

Montreal @ Ottawa (Friday, September 26)
Who would've thought this game could be intriguing? A resurgent Montreal could move into first with a win, and even Ottawa is looking competitive these days.

Saskatchewan @ Edmonton (Friday, September 26)
The West just got close again. Steady Edmonton can tie the Riders for second with a win, but Saskatchewan can tie for first if they can steal two points at Commonwealth.

Hamilton @ Winnipeg (Saturday, September 27)
Two teams going in opposite directions: Winnipeg has lost their early-season shine and three in a row to boot, while Hamilton's won two in a row to get to the top of the East. Is there enough time in the season for another change in fortune?

B.C. @ Calgary (Saturday, September 27)
Calgary looked like world beaters with Mitchell at the helm, but so far Drew Tate hasn't been able to keep that momentum in place. Are they vulnerable? The visiting Lions will be a good test.

Good luck!

posted by DrJohnEvans at 12:56 PM on September 25

Play SportsFilter's ESPN Fantasy Hockey League

Does anyone in the league know those three owners? I'm about to open up the league to new owners, but I want to give them a last shot to return.

posted by rcade at 11:20 AM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Wednesday Huddle

The Red Sox would be foolish to trade Betts at this point - he's an undersized, two-position 21 year old whose ML experience hasn't been good enough to nab an elite starter on his own.

Fourth outfielder, spot starter for Pedroia, maybe he even picks up SS or 3B enough to spell there too. A hedge against injury (Victorino in particular) or Castillo not being as ready as everyone thinks he is.

The Sox need pitching, but Betts isn't going to get them far enough down the road to an ace like Hamels to skip another top prospect or two. They can get the rest of the rotation with other prospects and/or FA without having to deal a flexible tookit like he has.

posted by dfleming at 10:55 AM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Tuesday Huddle

What's to stop Ron Gardenhire from putting Hughes in for 1/3 of an inning if the situation allows it on Saturday or Sunday?

posted by tommytrump at 10:04 AM on September 25

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

Bill Simmons dares ESPN to punish him, gets suspended

posted by BornIcon at 09:17 AM on September 25

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posted by BornIcon at 09:16 AM on September 25

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For only the second time in his career, Derek Jeter will play a baseball game today while not in contention for a playoff spot.

posted by Bonkers at 09:08 AM on September 25