- 04:46 PM
- 11/20/09
The issue with mammograms is whether the benefits outweigh the risks. For women in their 40s, more than 1,900 women have to be screened for an entire decade to save a single life.
I don't think I want to tell the above to a woman who wasn't screened and has developed breast cancer.
posted by Howard_T at 04:38 PM on November 20
Perry Lefko from Sportsnet, who deems himself as "peerless" among prognosticators is calling for an Alouette-Rider Grey Cup too. Als win but don't cover, and the Riders win but do this week ... or so he says.
posted by Spitztengle at 04:38 PM on November 20
The goddamned Klan are planning a rally at this weekend's LSU/Ole Miss game
If the sheet is required costume, could this be the southern version of the Penn State "white out"?
posted by Howard_T at 04:34 PM on November 20
One of my wife's co-workers recently lost an English Bulldog to a heart problem. She subsequently learned that they don't sweat through the tongue as other breeds do, and that a heart problem is one of the manifestations of dehydration. Too bad.
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posted by Howard_T at 04:31 PM on November 20
If there were video replay available of every play in every sport, and the video replay showed indisputable evidence of the validity or error on every call, then what the hell would we have to bitch about every day? I say leave it alone and let humans both play and officiate the games.
Let's not get carried away here.
Video replay is just another example of big government socialism intruding upon our way of life. Fellow Conservatives, rise up and end the march toward totalitarianism.
posted by Howard_T at 04:27 PM on November 20
The real Sonny Seiler appeared as the judge in the movieof Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil while UGA V played the part of UGA IV
And was played by my neighbour and great character actor, Jack Thompson.
posted by owlhouse at 04:24 PM on November 20
doesn't mean that the others are believing pseudo-science.
No, no, I definitely don't want to suggest that. More my reaction to the people suggesting any change in approach is a bad idea.
posted by yerfatma at 04:10 PM on November 20
'Soccer Players Can't Be Trusted'
Because, you know, if the MLB steroids scandal, the NFL's Patriots filming games scandal, and the recent allegation of NBA refs fixing games has taught us anything, its that you can trust every sport that isn't soccer.
posted by Joey Michaels at 04:04 PM on November 20
PointSpreads for this weekend are:
Montreal -91/2
Saskatchewan -21/2
And eventhough he is surely out of the hunt (if he was ever in it other than for comparison sake anyway), Schultzie has the ALS by 6 and the RIDERS by 5.
posted by Spitztengle at 04:04 PM on November 20
Anyone know if a pair of starting pitchers from the same team has gotten a higher vote total than Carp and Waino did this year?
See grum above. But is there another starting pitcher that probably got high after the vote?
posted by irunfromclones at 03:53 PM on November 20
What people are saying is you can't rely on a magic machine to take care of you, you also have to examine yourself and get regular exams from a doctor.
I don't think so, yerfatma. That same task force has said breast self-exams are also ineffective at reducing mortality, and have advised doctors not to teach them. That is pretty much a wait until you are 50 approach unless you have a lot of other risk factors. Considering how often women who don't have risk factors get breast cancer, that isn't very comforting. There have been many studies aimed specifically at the 40-49 age range, and they have been conflicting. There hasn't been some new major study that changed the entire equation. This debate has been raging for at least 10 years. The fact that this task force disagrees with the American Cancer Society, HHS, and others doesn't mean that the others are believing pseudo-science. They all have the same evidence, but come to different conclusions.
posted by bperk at 03:47 PM on November 20
Thanks for that catch, jmd82. I had "finishing" in the place of "completed" but missed it in my final edit. Mea culpa.
posted by terrapin at 03:38 PM on November 20
BC by 1
Saskatchewan by 11
Printers
Saskatchewan
posted by rumple at 03:30 PM on November 20
Let's not get carried away here.
posted by rcade at 03:30 PM on November 20
Upset Thierry didn't admit his transgression? Then become a golf fan!
posted by jjzucal at 03:30 PM on November 20
Just one more reason why I love the game of golf. So now it's (1) honest players policing themselves; and (2) sweet plaid pants
posted by tahoemoj at 03:27 PM on November 20
Owlhouse. Good one! Poor rabbit... & assistant.
Mont by 6
Sask by 4
Printers
BC
posted by argoal at 03:04 PM on November 20
I see what you did there.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 03:03 PM on November 20
If what Henry did was cheating, then pretty much every player in team sports cheats.
No one is disputing that a lot of small cheating goes on. But what Henry did -- and the consequences of it -- were huge enough that the president of his country was asked to weigh in on the matter.
posted by rcade at 02:51 PM on November 20
You doubt Ricky Williams at your own peril. He was smoking.
posted by bperk at 02:30 PM on November 20
The same week the "experts" said women should get less mammograms you get a perfect example of why women should do any and all preventative measures. Ironic.
she said the experts that developed the new guidelines were not even doctors. This is a very real reminder of why those should not be adopted.
This is a very good reminder why the Internet should be destroyed. Because it's an incubator for blanket statements. The fact that someone is not a doctor doesn't mean they can't assess the value of a test. In fact, if they actually understand statistics and probability, it would be a benefit. Not all doctors do. Most people don't. The subject is often counter-intuitive and leaves people thinking it's nonsense ("90% of statistics are made up"). Look at the trouble people had in the Bill Belichick thread about probability. Regardless of whether they're a doctor or not, I wouldn't want them predicting outcomes for me.
I know he can be a controversial figure, but if you're seriously interested in the subject and not just looking to acquire a new canvas for your finely wrought set of broad brushes, Malcolm Gladwell's article on mammography and the perception of what is "obvious" is a look.
You would think they would wait until their was some solid evidence one way or the other before they adjusted recommendations.
But what if there all solid evidence against mammography is shouted down as controversial or pseudo-science? We think we're at the forefront of technology, but often we use these things to reinforce our existing beliefs and prejudices. This is a particularly delicate subject because it's health and womens' health to boot. But no one's saying, "Fuck it, smoke a carton a day and don't worry about getting screened." What people are saying is you can't rely on a magic machine to take care of you, you also have to examine yourself and get regular exams from a doctor. But the debate gets turned into a False Dilemma between mammograms and no exams.
From that article:
"In a major study of mammography's effectiveness . . . women who were given regular, thorough breast exams but no mammograms were compared with those who had thorough breast exams and regular mammograms, and no difference was found in the death rates from breast cancer between the two groups. "
"There is nothing in science or technology that has even come close to the sensitivity of the human finger with respect to the range of stimuli it can pick up. It's a brilliant instrument. But we simply don't trust our tactile sense as much as our visual sense."
posted by yerfatma at 02:23 PM on November 20
I'm with mike and jmd on this one. Maybe another good case for video replay help for officials.
posted by THX-1138 at 02:13 PM on November 20
If what Henry did was cheating, then pretty much every player in team sports cheats.
Agreed. I mean, if people were completely honest, we'd need a referee only once in a blue moon.
posted by dfleming at 02:11 PM on November 20
The goddamned Klan are planning a rally at this weekend's LSU/Ole Miss game in protest of Chancellor Dan Jones' decision to remove "From Dixie with Love" from the Ole Miss band's song selection.
posted by Ufez Jones at 02:02 PM on November 20
I don't care what treatment he uses. I had to sell him and buy someone else instead. Used my damn wild card this week, too.
No kidding. Fantasy EPL-wise, the football playing ability of my picks has almost been irrelevant next to their ability to actually not be injured or suspended.
posted by juv3nal at 01:50 PM on November 20
The article says that Dunne confirmed that Henry said the words "I cheated" to him and it was shown by TV cameras. Other press accounts make the same claim. What he meant by the word is open to interpretation, but if he used the word it's good enough for me.
Somehow I overlooked that stretch of the article; comment(s) rescinded.
posted by holden at 01:47 PM on November 20
Good. It couldn't happen to a nicer school.
posted by THX-1138 at 01:32 PM on November 20
I agree with mike. It's the ref's job to call the rules on the field.
When people start calling for O-lineman to tell the ref they held on every play, or for a point guard to admit when he travels and isn't called for it, or an NBA center to tell the ref there was contact under the rim and it wasn't called, then they can bitch that Henry should have gone straight the the refs.
If what Henry did was cheating, then pretty much every player in team sports cheats.
posted by jmd82 at 01:25 PM on November 20
What's the difference between Henry handing the ball, and Chase Utley fouling one off his body but still running hard to first? In both cases, the umpire/referee missed the call. In both cases, the player could have admitted to the offense. Why would we call Henry unsportsmanlike, while Chase Utley 'plays the game the right way'?
(I'm a Phillies fan, by the way, and buy Utley's argument that he's been on the wrong end of that one many times before).
If you expect Henry to admit to the referees when he's handed a ball, then to be fair, you have to expect the same of every other player on the field. Is anyone suggesting that every player gives himself up when he's committed a foul that the ref missed?
posted by mikemacman at 01:05 PM on November 20
rcade - that is fascinating. I wonder what the statistics are like in college and pro and whether they would lead to the same conclusion.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:51 PM on November 20
The article says that Dunne confirmed that Henry said the words "I cheated" to him and it was shown by TV cameras. Other press accounts make the same claim. What he meant by the word is open to interpretation, but if he used the word it's good enough for me.
posted by rcade at 12:44 PM on November 20
Agreed, that is not a wise move, especially featuring three guys who are at least five continents and two oceans away from getting a casting call for the upcoming Three Stooges movie.
posted by beaverboard at 12:35 PM on November 20
However, I don't think I would post it on the internet, or call attention to it to anyone other than the people who were there. It is my and my groom's day, and the hell with everyone else.
I think that's what makes the difference between charming and being an attention whore.
posted by cjets at 12:26 PM on November 20
I do not see anything in the linked articles that suggests that Henry admitted he cheated, Dunne's characterization notwithstanding. (If you look at what Henry allegedly said, Dunne recounted it as "He just said he handled it, he didn't mean it" -- but then goes on to make his own conclusion that "Looking at it, it's quite obvious he did mean it.") Henry clearly has admitted that he handled the ball and that the goal should not have stood, but my personal definition of cheating (and I know we had a big semantic argument over this on SportsFilter some months or years back) requires intent. I am not sure he intended to handle the ball -- although, personally, the second bit of handling (where he played the ball off of his hand after it glanced off of his forearm) seems like it may have been intentional. But Henry seems steadfast in arguing that his handball was an instinctive/inadvertent action (or reaction).
posted by holden at 11:54 AM on November 20
Apologies if this was linked earlier, but it's like one of those old Matt Christopher kids books come to life: The Coach Who Never Punts.
posted by rcade at 11:49 AM on November 20
I guarantee you if Doug Flutie was still playing, you'd see the same play this week.
posted by dfleming at 11:30 AM on November 20
It's a pretty sad testament to sportsmanship in soccer that people find it unthinkable that Henry might admit the handball to a ref in the aftermath of the goal.
Why should he do it? Because he was wrong in the heat of the moment to play the ball off his hand, and at this point it's clear he's marred his reputation and embarrassed his country. So instead of being known for doing something shocking and admitting his mistake while it could be corrected, he's got this albatross around his neck.
posted by rcade at 11:21 AM on November 20
After seeing all of the flop artists in futbol why would I be surprised that Thierry Henry didn't run up to an official and immediately admit to the touch? And why should he? That's not his job.
posted by THX-1138 at 11:13 AM on November 20
Of course, the Irish defender admitted that his team would have done the same thing. I can't even imagine a situation where an "honorable" team would play and admit every rule evaluation while playing a less honorable team who would not. I think players assume that it all evens out in the end. The player's job is to try to win, the referees job is to keep it fair.
posted by bperk at 11:10 AM on November 20
For women in their 40s, more than 1,900 women have to be screened for an entire decade to save a single life.
The research is all over the map as to whether it is effective to screen women 40-49. You would think they would wait until their was some solid evidence one way or the other before they adjusted recommendations. Lumps in women's breasts are not uncommon. By getting rid of screening mammography, you end up with a lot of nervous women getting the more expensive diagnostic mammography.
RIP. I think it is wonderful how she kept on living her life to the fullest amidst these multiple battles with cancer. She had two kids since her initial diagnosis.
posted by bperk at 11:03 AM on November 20
I say good for them and screw the people who don't like it. If that is what they wanted who is anyone to say they couldn't do it?
I would like maybe to have a black and gold theme if I would ever get married again, and possibly a Steelers logo on the cake. (The guy I marry would have to be a football fan, wouldn't have to be a Steelers fan though). However, I don't think I would post it on the internet, or call attention to it to anyone other than the people who were there. It is my and my groom's day, and the hell with everyone else.
posted by steelergirl at 10:55 AM on November 20
Most idiotic trick play ever ... but it worked.
posted by rcade at 10:54 AM on November 20
FIFA give Ireland the finger: no replay for you!
posted by billsaysthis at 10:48 AM on November 20
My heart breaks for Chris Spielman and their children.
posted by steelergirl at 10:35 AM on November 20
Attended UGA, and my Facebook wall is littered with "rip, uga VII!!!" messages.
While not UGA VII, my favorite UGA the bulldawg memory's when he took a bite at an Auburn player. Kinda resonates the student's feelings
He was only four-years-old and had just completed his second season as the team's mascot.
Technically, he's still be finishing the season- he still had a home and away game to attend.
posted by jmd82 at 10:29 AM on November 20
From seeing the threads here I definitely wouldn't use it again but I wouldn't have thought anything of it's usage a few years ago. I'm mostly frustrated with how something becomes a slur. What does it take?
When Washington changed its mascot to Redskins in 1933, there had been more than a century in which Americans talked about Native Americans like this: The Danger of Employing Redskins as Movie Actors. It didn't become a slur. It was a slur from the first time it was used.
posted by rcade at 10:17 AM on November 20
The real Sonny Seiler appeared as the judge in the movieof Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil while UGA V played the part of UGA IV.
UGA VI even had a movie made about him. Damn Good Dog.
posted by Demophon at 09:07 AM on November 20
Montreal by 9 Saskatchewan by 3 Anthony Calvillo Montreal
posted by dfleming at 09:05 AM on November 20
I agree with your point, Demophon, but I'm surprised you bothered to respond on that blog. All of the snarky sports blogs trying to be Deadspin bore the hell out of me.
posted by rcade at 08:57 AM on November 20
To be fair, I know a lot of sports geeks who don't understand what being a fan (of theater) is.
I can not argue this point, in fact I wholeheartedly agree with it. However, the article wasn't about someone being "retarded" for wearing Phantom of the Opera masks as they came out for their reception. This article was someone being narrow minded and getting on the high horse that is an internet blog and spouting off about it.
posted by Demophon at 08:50 AM on November 20
Congrats to Lincecum and all that. Anyone know if a pair of starting pitchers from the same team has gotten a higher vote total than Carp and Waino did this year?
2002 - Arizona Diamondbacks Randy Johnson (160) and Curt Schilling (90) finished 1st and 2nd in the voting.
2001 - Arizona Diamondbacks Randy Johnson (156) and Curt Schilling (98) finished 1st and 2nd in the voting.
posted by grum@work at 08:48 AM on November 20
I thought it was fun. Those jerseys are atrocious, but people who are dorks ought to be able to express that at their wedding, whatever their interests may be. I'm a big fan of Trekkers who say their vows in Klingon.
posted by rcade at 08:39 AM on November 20
See kids? Get high, get busted, nothing bad will happen.
posted by smithnyiu at 08:37 AM on November 20
The issue with mammograms is whether the benefits outweigh the risks. For women in their 40s, more than 1,900 women have to be screened for an entire decade to save a single life. This doesn't mean that all women should be treated the same -- a woman with history of cancer in her family should be screened earlier in life -- but I think it's proper for medical experts to assess the efficacy of programs like this to ensure that resources are allocated properly and patients and doctors are informed.
I don't know Spielman's history, but once she found a suspicious lump in her breast, I don't think that an insurance company would have denied the tests necessary to ensure that it wasn't cancer. That's a separate issue from whether all women should get yearly mammograms in their 30s or 40s.
posted by rcade at 08:32 AM on November 20
As someone who lost his mother when she was 42, I wish her family the best. I am sure they are very proud of her.
I have to agree with Demophon on the timing of this sad event. It is ridiculous to tell women they don't need to do regular mammograms until age 50 when it is painfully obvious that the disease can strike at any time. It also opens up the door for insurance companies to turn down paying for the procedure for women who are younger than 50... like Stephanie Spielman.
posted by terrapin at 07:19 AM on November 20
Montreal by 10 Calgary by 3 Valvillo Calgary
posted by apoch at 03:56 AM on November 20
Cleveland against Detroit should be an awe-inspiring game, though possibly not for the right reasons.
Mr. Bismarck don't you mean a nap inspiring game! YYM, everybody around here is saying "they may suck , but god let them be better than the Lions". I wonder what the over/under is on turnovers?
posted by jojomfd1 at 02:51 AM on November 20
Very ironic rcade, the groups like Mrs. Spielman's are really fighting the new recommendation. I don't blame them, I saw an interview on our local news with a doctor from the Cleveland Clinic, she said the experts that developed the new guidelines were not even doctors. This is a very real reminder of why those should not be adopted.
RIP Mrs. Spielman.
posted by jojomfd1 at 02:31 AM on November 20
I am charmed, but purely because I'm a Ravens fan.
posted by boredom_08 at 01:11 AM on November 20
Wainright gets the largest number of first place votes but still loses; weird stuff, this 5-3-1 system. Congrats to Tim, he is a stud starter for years to come.
posted by dfleming at 01:11 AM on November 20
I hope to God the Lions win this game. The Rams was bad enough, but the Browns? That would be terrible.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 12:30 AM on November 20
So apparently we have determined that this author is not a sports fan. Probably a drama geek who does not understand what being a fan is.
Being a drama geek who actually is a big sports fan, I'd love to refute this comment. But, since I hang around with a lot other drama geeks, I can attest this is true most of the time.
To be fair, I know a lot of sports geeks who don't understand what being a fan (of theater) is.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:22 AM on November 20
They didn't show the best part.
A few minutes later a snotty ass six year old in a Brady Quinn jersey, blows out the best man's knee.
posted by tselson at 12:01 AM on November 20
No accounting for taste I guess. As long as they had fun.
But whatever you do, be sure to get unnecessarily upset about it.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 11:00 PM on November 19
With Cleveland, in the games I've watched, they at least play some D- and as much as they're on the field and dealing with turnovers on their own side of the field, damn good D. If they had at least a halfway-decent Offense (thinking back to when the Ravens won the superbowl with Trent Dilfer), they'd be a major force to be reckoned with.
posted by jmd82 at 10:37 PM on November 19
I just posted this comment on the article itself, but I will post it again here.
So apparently we have determined that this author is not a sports fan. Probably a drama geek who does not understand what being a fan is. It is more than possible for you to bring being a sports fan into your life. If football is that important to you, then there is nothing wrong with it being part of your wedding reception. It was the reception at that, a time that you are supposed to celebrate the wedding. This was the most fitting time to do this and this should be applauded.
posted by Demophon at 10:02 PM on November 19
Cleveland against Detroit should be an awe-inspiring game, though possibly not for the right reasons.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 09:54 PM on November 19
The same week the "experts" said women should get less mammograms you get a perfect example of why women should do any and all preventative measures. Ironic.
My thoughts go out to the Spielman family.
posted by Demophon at 09:47 PM on November 19
Charmed? I'm with Rod Stewart when it comes to weddings.
In case you don't know: "Instead of getting married again, I'm going to find a woman I don't like and just give her a house."
posted by owlhouse at 09:12 PM on November 19
NFL must be happy though--all those get your own name on the back jersey commercials are paying off.
posted by billsaysthis at 09:00 PM on November 19
Not even a little.
posted by cjets at 08:57 PM on November 19
Congrats to Lincecum and all that. Anyone know if a pair of starting pitchers from the same team has gotten a higher vote total than Carp and Waino did this year?
posted by boredom_08 at 08:48 PM on November 19
Wow, thanks. I'd meant to run that down after it was mentioned on Football Weekly. Just makes the whole thing sadder; seems like he was a good person.
posted by yerfatma at 08:44 PM on November 19
I'm a little surprised that no one on this sports blog is charmed by this.
posted by rcade at 07:52 PM on November 19
Given how the previous thread on Robert Enke's untimely death went a little bit out of control, I thought this brings home some of the sadness in the man, without too much sentimentality.
posted by owlhouse at 07:42 PM on November 19
yes, they seemed intent on making others care, I don't
posted by dviking at 07:42 PM on November 19
Who cares what people do at their own receptions?
They probably couldn't wait to get it on Youtube.
If they didn't want anyone to care what they did at their reception they wouldn't put it on youtube vimeo.
/obvious
posted by Ufez Jones at 07:30 PM on November 19
A little girl goes into a pet shop and asks to buy a pet bunny rabbit. Montreal by 21. The shop assistant looks at her and smiles, asking her "Would you like a floppy eared bunny or a white bunny?". Saskatchewan by 12. The little girl thinks for a moment before replying. Calvillo. "I don't actually think my python gives a shit." Saskatchewan.
posted by owlhouse at 07:27 PM on November 19
poor things. they're doomed now.
posted by terrapin at 07:26 PM on November 19
I personally saw none of it, so I am either obtuse or hang out with a different crowd.
Move down to Jacksonville and listen to our sports radio. It's a wonder any of the local hosts have wives, girlfriends or daughters.
posted by rcade at 07:18 PM on November 19
Montreal by 27
Calgary by 25
Anthony Calvillo
Montreal
posted by tommytrump at 07:02 PM on November 19
good grief, they obviously only wore the jerseys for the start of the reception.
Who cares what people do at their own receptions?
They probably couldn't wait to get it on Youtube.
posted by dviking at 06:56 PM on November 19
Out West, Calgary silences Arkee Whitlock and holds off the Edmonton comeback to make their way back to the division final. Back East, it was vintage Casey Printers who showed up: despite Hamilton's dramatic last-minute comeback to tie, Printers threw the last of his 360 passing yards to seal the deal in overtime.
In kicking news, veteran kicker Paul McCallum leads the pack with 16 points.
| BC @ HAM | EDM @ CGY | Bonus | |
| Result | B.C. by 7 | Calgary by 3 | McCallum |
| Margin of Error | 5 to 9 | 2 to 4 |
Reever and dfleming both nail the Calgary spread to jump to the top. Also nobody got the bonus, so I left it off.
| SpoFite | BC @ HAM | S | EDM @ CGY | S | Points | Total Points |
| dfleming | Calgary | 3 | 3 | 3 | ||
| Reever | Calgary | 3 | 3 | 3 | ||
| argoal | Calgary | 4 | 2 | 2 | ||
| JPR | Calgary | 4 | 2 | 2 | ||
| Ying Yang Mafia | B.C. | Calgary | 2 | 2 | ||
| Cwok | Calgary | 1 | 1 | |||
| DrJohnEvans | Calgary | 1 | 1 | |||
| grum@work | Calgary | 1 | 1 | |||
| owlhouse | B.C. | 1 | 1 | |||
| rumple | B.C. | 1 | 1 | |||
| Spitztengle | Calgary | 1 | 1 | |||
| rahilsuleman | Calgary | 1 | 1 | |||
| tommytrump | Calgary | 1 | 1 | |||
| apoch | 0 | 0 | ||||
| Mave | 0 | 0 | ||||
| MrFrisby | 0 | 0 | ||||
| Schultzie | 0 | 0 |
Division Finals
B.C. @ Montreal (Sunday, November 22)
All the numbers point Montreal's way. They piled up fifteen wins this season (SEVEN more than the Lions), they're dominant at home, they scored the most points in the league while allowing the fewest, and they haven't lost a big game at the Big O since... well, forget that last point. But despite their sheer awesomeness, they know that the Lions always play them tough, and Casey Printers just came off a monster game. Are the Lions a sexy underdog pick this weekend?
Calgary @ Saskatchewan (Sunday, November 22)
Like you thought it would be any different. These two titans have danced around each other for the last three months, and now the last song is startin' up. Both teams put together a 10-7-1 record, with that one tie coming against each other, of course. Both teams scored exactly 514 points. Calagary allowed 41 fewer points, if you're counting, but Taylor Field is the ultimate home-field advantage. I don't envy anyone for having to pick a winner here.
Offensive Bonus
Pick the quarterback that will accrue the highest passing yardage. For your reference: 2009 Passing Leaders
Defensive Bonus
Pick the team that will accrue the most quarterback sacks. For your reference: 2009 Sack Leaders
Good luck!
posted by DrJohnEvans at 06:42 PM on November 19
A lot of male sports fans love to mock female sports, and this gave them a golden opportunity to do so.
I personally saw none of it, so I am either obtuse or hang out with a different crowd. And her playing the gender card only hurts the cause of female athletics, so I don't think it is an issue for little regard.
posted by THX-1138 at 06:24 PM on November 19
You know, its their wedding. And, really, this doesn't even scratch the surface of hideous wedding wear.
posted by Joey Michaels at 06:15 PM on November 19
Regardless of her playing the gender card, I still think it played bigger in the sports media because female athletes were involved. A lot of male sports fans love to mock female sports, and this gave them a golden opportunity to do so.
posted by rcade at 06:13 PM on November 19
Not really, rcade. The goalposts might move a bit in the wind but the same basic stance is there. The orginal claim that more was being made of the situation due to gender was from Lambert herself. I was paraphrasing her for my purposes. My point is that I don't see it as a gender issue but rather as an issue of a person who has clearly lost their grip on normal behavior, even if it was just for the duration of the game.
In a nutshell, I am bristling at the suggestion that Lambert has somehow been victimized by what were her own actions.
posted by THX-1138 at 06:02 PM on November 19
Females don't respond in the same manner and this wacko took advantage of that fact.
Among any number of problems with this assertion is the fact, if the timeline from ESPN's replays can be believed, she was responding to being punched in the back.
posted by yerfatma at 05:53 PM on November 19
Did any of you watch all the way through? I couldn't make it past about 20 seconds.
posted by dusted at 05:52 PM on November 19
You've moved the goalposts, THX. First you said "I'm calling B.S. on the argument that this incident garnered more publicity because it was a woman who did it" (emphasis mine). Now it's "nobody can say with any degree of certainty that the hype is because she is a woman."
posted by rcade at 05:45 PM on November 19
That reminds me of Steve Guttenberg's character from Diner, who wouldn't marry his fiance unless she could pass a test on the history of the Baltimore Colts.
posted by rcade at 05:40 PM on November 19
They have to be generating a dozen incidents of equal "quality" annually, but they don't make it onto ESPN.
Objection: Speculation and assumption.
How many times have you seen a men's college athlete in a sport that gets no love from ESPN making news for atrocious sportsmanship?
Of course you could simplify that statement to read: "How many times have you seen a sport that get get's no love from ESPN make it on the air." I don't think it's any secret that ESPN has a tendency to hype the outrageous and ignore the less popular. How many violent outbursts by female athletes in, say, college basketball have gone unreported? Certainly nobody is suggesting that they never happened, are they? Point being that nobody can say with any degree of certainty that the hype is because she is a woman. It's unprovable.
posted by THX-1138 at 05:40 PM on November 19
I thought they outlawed same-sex marriages.
posted by smithnyiu at 05:17 PM on November 19
Females don't respond in the same manner and this wacko took advantage of that fact.
That's a pretty sexist statement. Female athletes in sports like soccer and basketball do not shy away from physical play. Anyone who had "corrected" Lambert's dirty play would have risked a yellow or red card in a conference playoff game.
posted by rcade at 05:13 PM on November 19
I'm calling B.S. on the argument that this incident garnered more publicity because it was a woman who did it
Saw the clips and have to agree. Multiple 'loogan acts in cowardly fashion - that's one sick individual.
Truth is we don't often see that type of behavior in male sports as it would be "corrected" real quick after the first act. Females don't respond in the same manner and this wacko took advantage of that fact.
posted by cixelsyd at 05:08 PM on November 19
How many times have you seen a men's college athlete in a sport that gets no love from ESPN making news for atrocious sportsmanship?
Once, when White Goodman railed Kate with the ball when she was walking off. Cotton about had a stroke.
posted by smithnyiu at 04:54 PM on November 19
Did they rent hardened limos and re-enact Ray Lewis leaving the murder scene?
posted by beaverboard at 04:34 PM on November 19
I'll bet it was a killer reception.
posted by tommytrump at 04:31 PM on November 19
Brett Favre Mic'd Up
"They payin' you overtime?"
That's a great line, dusted. "Pardon me while I hand the ball off for a touchdown now." should have been the next words out of his mouth. As much fun as it is to bag on Mr. Indecision, you have to like the guy a bit. I mean, it seems to me that it is just a game to him and he is a kid out there, ya' know, playing it.