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SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

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posted by mkn at 12:28 PM on May 01

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

Uh just now realized that round two started before round one even ended? Wtf NBA? Guess the NBA really truly doesn't care about raptors (though if they blow it again no one will)

Cle in 7
GS in 6
Spurs in 4 (though yeah they won yesterday?? Wtf)

I don't know players well so I'm just going to copy others answers
Westbrook

posted by mkn at 12:27 PM on May 01

SportsFilter: The Sunday Huddle

Vin Scully talks about the history of beards.

And it's as awesome as you could expect it to be...

I seriously would listen to a collection of Vin Scully audio books of him talking about baseball and related matters.

posted by grum@work at 08:43 AM on May 01

SportsFilter: The Saturday Huddle

14 runs off of one legal delivery. It's the good ol' IPL.

posted by NoMich at 12:20 AM on May 01

SportsFilter: The Saturday Huddle

Looks like the Jets might fill their biggest weakness this draft - a true scorer. Loads of young talent, looking forward to 2016/17.

With the management the Leafs assembled I'm hopeful that Matthews career doesn't get destroyed the same way that Hall and Nugent-Hopkins have.

And I hope Matthews is as skilled with the media as he is on the ice.

posted by cixelsyd at 10:45 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

Nah, I don't mind if'n you're honest about it, cixelsyd.

posted by Ufez Jones at 10:35 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

.. so just checked the NBA scores and saw the Spurs kicking rrrrr's.

OK if that pick gets dq'ed.

posted by cixelsyd at 10:29 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

Hope these are in before games start:

Cleveland in 6

Spurs in 6

Warriors in 5

Technical: Westbrook

3"s: K Thompson

posted by cixelsyd at 10:10 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

My picks:

CLE in 6
SAS in 5
GSW in 5

Tech: Westbrook
Threes: Durant

posted by Ufez Jones at 08:02 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

Cleveland in 5

San Antonio in 7

GS IN 7

Players TBA

posted by rumple at 07:53 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

Cleveland in 6

San Antonio in 6

Golden State in 6

Technical Foul- Draymond Green BUT if Indiana eliminates Toronto my pick will be Paul George.

Three Points- Klay Thompson

posted by ic23b at 07:38 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

Thanks, rcade. None of them had any listed in their profiles.

posted by Ufez Jones at 07:03 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

I emailed the round 1 players who haven't shown up yet.

posted by rcade at 06:56 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

Land of Cleves in Ohio in 6
Saint Anthony of Texas in 6
California, Land of Golden Nuggets and Golden Sunshine but ever so Warrior like in 5

Dennis Schrderr will be the most Hawkish with techincal fouls.
J.R. Smith of the Land of Cleves in Ohio will make it rain the most from three-point land.

posted by NoMich at 06:45 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

Copying my picks from the other thread because I do have a minute here:
Golden State in 6

San Antonio in 7

Cleveland in 4

Technical foul: LeBron James
Three-pointers: Klay Thompson

posted by grum@work at 04:49 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

San Antonio in 5

Cleveland in 6

Golden State in 7

Technical foul: DeAndre Jordan

Three-pointers: Kyle Korver

posted by rcade at 02:06 PM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

OK, upset special time: Atlanta in seven.

San Antonio in six.

Golden State in six.

Technical foul: Westbrook

Three-point expert: Klay Thompson

posted by Goyoucolts at 11:27 AM on April 30

SpoFi NBA Pick 'Em Round 2.

The pairings we know about:

Cleveland vs. Atlanta
San Antonio vs. Oklahoma City
Golden St. vs. Portland

Two points for getting the series winner correct. 4 points for getting series winner and number of games correct. No points for getting number of games correct if you pick the wrong team.

Bonuses:
Name one player that gets a technical foul in the second round (2 pts)
Name the player in the second round that hits the most three-pointers (3 pts)

posted by Ufez Jones at 11:24 AM on April 30

SportsFilter: The Saturday Huddle

Making my picks for the SpoFi basketball contest, as I'm not sure I'll be around later today:

Me too. I'm helping my kid move his stuff to another apartment.

Golden State in 7 Don't be surprised at an upset here.
San Antonio in 7 Same situation here, but it won't really be that much of an upset
Cleveland in 5 Atlanta actually played some decent defense against Boston. Could get 1 win vs Cavs.

Miami, Toronto, Charlotte, Indiana??? Pacers have surprised, Charlotte has played slightly above expectations, and Miami has finally found the combinations that work. Toronto has looked a bit disorganized at best.

posted by Howard_T at 10:18 AM on April 30

SportsFilter: The Saturday Huddle

Same here.

Golden State in 5

San Antonio in 6

Atlanta in 6

posted by tron7 at 10:10 AM on April 30

SportsFilter: The Saturday Huddle

Making my picks for the SpoFi basketball contest, as I'm not sure I'll be around later today:

Golden State in 6

San Antonio in 7

Cleveland in 4

I'll reserve my picks for the fourth matchup when we get an idea of who it is....

posted by grum@work at 09:26 AM on April 30

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

If Myles Jack's knee is fixable and can be made roadworthy, the Jaguars are doing this draft and are going to be competitive. If they and the Falcons keep trending in the directions they have been, Jacksonville is going to take charge of the regional fan base.

Now I want 'em to go back to the old black helmets so they don't look like an airbrushed college team.

posted by beaverboard at 09:08 PM on April 29

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

Because of that gas mask smoking device, I figured he was trying out for a new Judd Apatow movie or something.

posted by NoMich at 03:35 PM on April 29

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

If you're going to hit it out of the park, make sure you fuck all the bases

All that's missing is a phantom dead girlfriend and an endorsement from Kim Jong Un.

And thank you, oh board of the beaver for adding a new phrase into my already salty lexicon.

posted by tahoemoj at 02:55 PM on April 29

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

Let's see...Laremy Tunsil:

You let someone record you enjoying the smoke-filled chamber.

You weren't tight with your account passwords.

Errors of judgment happen. These ended up costing Tunsil around 8 million dollars last night.

Then there's what the fellas had hanging on the wall in the background during the bong video. Yep, it's a common item in and around Oxford, but still...

If you're going to hit it out of the park, make sure you fuck all the bases.

(And #78, there's more fun in store. Chris Berman is just getting started dicking around with your name - both of them. He's thinking: somebody loves me; what fertile material.)

posted by beaverboard at 01:49 PM on April 29

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

With 5 out of 8 series completed, you can check in on the NBA playoff pick 'em standings here. Pretty tight over all.

posted by Ufez Jones at 10:22 AM on April 29

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

New Marlins manager Don Mattingly had this to say about his star second baseman Dee Gordon as the season started:

Well, here is the explanation!

posted by grum@work at 07:31 AM on April 29

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

I'll take Preds in 7 now please.

posted by rumple at 03:14 PM on April 28

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

When I see the bottom of the 8th inning in the Dodgers/Marlins game, I wonder if it set a record for the longest half-inning with 0 hits, 0 errors, and 0 runs scored.

Bottom 8th: Justin Nicolino pitching

  1. A.J. Ellis grounded out, second to first
    • Bryan Morris replaces Jutin Nicolino as pitcher
    • Chase Utley pinch-hits for Trayce Thompson
  2. Chase Utley walked
    • Yasmani Grandal pinch-hits for Pedro Baez
    • Cody Ege replaces Bryan Morris as pitcher
  3. Yasmani Grandal walked, Chase Utley to second
    • David Phelps replaces Cody Edge as pitcher
    • Joc Pederson pinch-hits for Enrique Hernandez
  4. Joc Pederson walked, Chase Utley to third, Yasmani Grandal to second
    • Jos Urena replaces David Phelps as pitcher
  5. Yasiel Puig struck out swinging
  6. Adrin Gonzlez flied out to right

That's five different pitchers to face six batters, with four of the pitchers facing only one batter in the inning. That's also three different pinch-hitters, producing exactly zero hits. Only two balls were put into play for the inning.

posted by grum@work at 11:21 AM on April 28

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

I would like to take Nashville in 7.

posted by bender at 09:56 AM on April 28

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Looks like grum and Ufez get another two points. I get one more and that moves me ahead of No'Mish, which is nice.

posted by MrFrisby at 09:45 AM on April 28

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

I'm switching my pick from the Ducks to Sharks in 7.

posted by grum@work at 06:49 AM on April 28

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

rcade. Not sure which email is "bouncing" but my main email address (for any future needs) is jagsnumberone@live.com

Sucks that I didn't get this before the first game, but if I'm still allowed to put in my picks, here they are (For full disclosure, the Isles are my team, and have been since they drafted Bossy and Trottier--I can show my Facebook page if there's any doubts)

Islanders in 6 (Just like I pick the Jags no matter what, I pick the Isles no matter what/lol)
Capitals in 5
Stars in 7
Sharks in 6

Goal scorer: Jamie Benn
Save %: Holtby
PP%:Stars
Goals per game: Stars

posted by jagsnumberone at 01:48 AM on April 28

SportsFilter: The Wednesday Huddle

Serie A goalkeeper does not dare to Zlatan.

posted by bender at 05:36 PM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Islanders in 7
Capitals in 6
Stars in 7
Sharks in 6

Goal Scorer: Spezza
Save %: Ben Bishop
PP%: Dallas
Goals per game: Capitals

posted by Ufez Jones at 05:16 PM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

This stupid game with a rubber disc is strange. The one with the big brown ball is easier to pick.

Tampa Bay in 5
Washington in 5
Dallas in 6
San Jose in 6 No need to change this one. It will hold no matter the opponent.

Top goal scorer: Ovechkin (Sooner or later he will break loose.)
Save %: Holtby
Power play percentage: Washington
Most goals per game: Dallas

posted by Howard_T at 04:03 PM on April 27

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

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posted by yerfatma at 02:22 PM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Capitals in 5
Lightning in 7
Blues in 7
Sharks in 6

Top goal scorer: Pavelski
Save %: Holtby
PP%: Sharks
Goals/game: Lightning

posted by MrFrisby at 01:47 PM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Lightning in 6

Capitals in 6

Stars in 7

Sharks in 5

Scorer: Benn

Goalie: Bishop

Power play: Stars

Goals per game: Capitals

posted by rcade at 01:26 PM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Blues in 6

Lighting in 6

Penguins in 7

Sharks in 7

Top goal scorer- Nikita Kucherov

Save Percentage- Ben Bishop

Team Power Play %- Capitals

Team most goal per game- Blues

posted by ic23b at 01:10 PM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Blues in 7
Islanders in 6
Capitals in 6
Sharks in 6

Scorer: Tarasenko
Goalie: Bishop
PP: Sharks
GPG: Caps

posted by holden at 12:43 PM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Dallas in 6
San Jose in 6

Tampa in 6
Washington in 5

Ovechkin
Holtby
PP: Washington
Goals/Game: Dallas

posted by bender at 12:18 PM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Stars in 6

Ducks in 7

Capitals in 5

Islanders in 6

Top Goal Scorer: Tarasenko

Save Percentage: Holtby

Power Play: Capitals

Top Scoring Team: Capitals

posted by rumple at 12:14 PM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Stars in 6
Sharks in 6

Penguins in 7
Lightning in 6

Goal scorer: Benn
Save Pct.: Jones (SJS)
PP %: SJS
Goals/Game: Tampa

posted by tahoemoj at 11:59 AM on April 27

SportsFilter: The Tuesday Huddle

Beaverman, don't be throwin' that shit. You'd be missed.

posted by billsaysthis at 10:57 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Stars in 7
Lightning in 6
Capitals in 6
Sharks in 5

Goal scorer: Ovechkin
Save percentage: Bishop
Top PP percentage: SJ Sharks
Most goals/game: Capitals

posted by billsaysthis at 10:54 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

St. Louis in 6

San Jose in 6

Washington in 6

Tampa in 6

Kucherov

Holtby

PP: Washington

Goals: Tampa

posted by cixelsyd at 10:44 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Wow...I suck...


Tampa Bay in 6
Washington in 7

Dallas in 6
San Jose in 6

Goal Scorer - Ovechkin
Save % - Bishop
Power Play % - Pittsburgh
Goal per Game - San Jose

posted by MeatSaber at 10:35 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

EAST GAMES:
TBL in 6
PIT in 7

WEST GAMES:
STL in 7
SJS in 6

Top goal scorer: Nikita Kucherov (TBL)
Top save percentage: Ben Bishop (TBL)
Top PP percentage: Pittsburgh Penguins
Most goals/game: Tampa Bay Lightning

posted by NoMich at 10:19 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Billsaysthis, Jagsnumberone: Your email addresses here bounce.

posted by rcade at 09:40 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

NHL, NFL, same thing right?

Because there aren't any Canadian teams involved? :)

posted by grum@work at 09:24 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Blues in 6
Ducks in 7
Capitals in 7 (and this will be a series people will talk about for a while)
Lightning in 6

Top Goal Scorer: S.Crosby
Save Percentage: B.Holtby
Power Play: Capitals
Top Scoring Team: Capitals

posted by grum@work at 09:21 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

*NHL*

NHL, NFL, same thing right?

posted by rcade at 09:18 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

*NHL*

St. Louis in 6

San Jose in 6

Washington in 6

Tampa in 6

Tarasenko

Elliott

Tampa

Tampa

posted by tommytrump at 09:11 AM on April 27

NHL Playoff Pick 'Em, Round 2

Pick the four teams that will advance and the number of games each series will require. One extra point on winners for getting the number of games correct.

One point for picking one of the top three goal scorers in this round.

One point for picking the starting goalie with the best save percentage.

One point for picking the team with the best power play percentage.

One point for picking the team that scores the most goals per game.

Preliminary Standings After Round 1

Score
Ufez Jones8
billsaysthis8
tahoemoj8
tommytrump7
grum@work7
ic23b7
bender7
jagsnumberone6
NoMich6
MrFrisby6
rcade5
rumple5
cixelsyd5
Howard_T5
holden4
MeatSaber3

If you pick the Sharks vs. Predators/Ducks series before game 7 tonight, you can change it tomorrow based on the outcome and I'll update your picks accordingly.

Round 1 Results

Stars in 6

Blues in 7

Sharks in 5

Islanders in 6

Lightning in 5

Capitals in 6

Penguins in 5

Ducks and Predators to be determined

Top Western Conference scorers: 5: Pavelski, 4: Benn, Spezza, Pominville, Shaw, Tarasenko

Top Eastern scorers: 5: Tavares, 4: Kucherov, R. Smith

posted by rcade at 08:53 AM on April 27

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

You are forwarding that the noble gas law leads to only one possible conclusion: that there was no underinflation. That's not true.

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posted by cixelsyd at 09:36 PM on April 26

SportsFilter: The Tuesday Huddle

I am almost cranking out another A-Fib episode reading that twitter.

"The goalie just said fuck it and left?"

Where's the metoprolol? I'm uppin' it.

The only thing wrong is he's probably not Canadian. Without a team of their own in the playoffs, Canadian viewership has been down as much as 60%. Can't continue like that.

posted by beaverboard at 08:48 PM on April 26

SportsFilter: The Tuesday Huddle

A new fan to hockey tweets his reactions live while watching the game on TV.

"White people been hiding hockey from us for years bruh. This shit lit"

posted by grum@work at 07:33 PM on April 26

SportsFilter: The Tuesday Huddle

First Cowherd, then Tirico, now this. Where will it end?

One more and we can pick out a mountainside in South Dakota and start chiseling away.

(It can't be Stephen A. or some sort of natural fracking event will take place).

posted by beaverboard at 04:39 PM on April 26

SportsFilter: The Tuesday Huddle

Skip Bayless has decided to leave ESPN when his contract expires at the end of August.

posted by Etrigan at 02:56 PM on April 26

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

- No Patriots picks appear on stage during the draft when they are selected.

- A Brady-free preseason. Assemble a dollar store skill group just to play the preseason games. The starting backfield: Tebow, Manziel, and Jamarcus Russell. All 3 on the field at the same time, taking turns doing different things. Timcat, Johncat, Jamcat. Dress Russell in the #12 jersey. (Pats will need Jerry Jones' Hardy-earned wisdom on getting the charges against Manziel put on hold or dismissed).

- Dare Goodell to suspend Manziel for more than 2 games if he's eventually found guilty of domestic abuse.

- The rest of the preseason squad: the bottom of the depth chart exclusively. Put late 18th century keywords on the backs of their jerseys instead of their names. Such as "Outrage", "Dominion", and "Rebellion". Jersey numbers 1 and 2 would read "By Land" and "By Sea" respectively.

- During the regular season, the Pats play 5 of the 8 member teams of the NFL Competition Committee. Prepare extra hard for those games and proceed to scorch some earth.

(The Pats also play the Giants, a Comp Committee member team, during the preseason, but no need to go charging after them full bore, as Kraft will at some point need to depend critically on Mara when the time comes to clamp the tourniquet on Goodell's middle leg.)

posted by beaverboard at 12:22 PM on April 26

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

I'm not going to rehash this argument in depth yet again, anymore than I'm going to argue with someone who denies evolution as science instead of simply a personal interpretation of faith.

I understand that you are a true believer, and appreciate the loyalty as a fan. I also agree that the NFL did not make a strong enough case against Brady or the Pats to warrant a 4-game suspension. I only dispute the characterization of the "noble gas law" explanation that you forward. The noble gas law does not disprove the NFL's case; it makes it possible that the NFL's explanation is wrong, thereby leading to the conclusion that the NFL failed to adequately make its case against Brady and the Pats.

The noble gas law makes it possible that there was no tampering; it is one possible explanation for the discrepancy between footballs. Very well explained here. There are other explanations, one of which remains tampering and/or intentional underinflation. You are forwarding that the noble gas law leads to only one possible conclusion: that there was no underinflation. That's not true.

posted by tahoemoj at 12:22 PM on April 26

SportsFilter: The Tuesday Huddle

At the end of the day, Hotspur's overconfidence and tendency to violence always ends in disaster. Also, have you ever seen the end of Henry IV Part II?!

posted by yerfatma at 08:53 AM on April 26

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

Strangely, there's some great discussion of the labor law implications in this thread at deadspin where someone who posts as a stereotypical Boston fan drops his character (thus everything being in parentheses) to discuss the law.

Brady & Kraft should agree to drop any appeal if the League releases the inflation data from last year.

posted by yerfatma at 08:48 AM on April 26

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

The Patriots were punished for SpyGate. The Saints were punished for BountyGate. The Falcons were punished for CrowdNoiseGate. The Patriots were punished for DeflateGate.

Goodell is a hack, but there's nothing unprecedented about a team being punished with the NFL Commissioner acting as the ultimate authority. That is how a sports league is supposed to work, not endless court cases.

A sports league is still governed by labor law, and labor law does lay out some rules as to what can be considered acceptable elements or interpretations of a CBA. Hence the court cases, whether you like them or not; that is how the system is supposed to work. If Goodell didn't want to be in court, he shouldn't craft new punishments out of whole cloth that test the limits of the existing CBA.

As to your examples of precedent: The Patriot team- not players- were punished for SpyGate; likewise with the lost draft picks for DeflateGate. Same as with the Falcons; the penalty was financial, against the team. League to team penalties are not governed by the CBA, so that's irrelevant.

And when it came to BountyGate, all four affected players successfully appealed their suspensions. Same for Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson. In every single one of those cases, the appeal was either heard by a different party, such as former commissioner Paul Tagliabue, or an external judge.

So, "nothing unprecedented" isn't exactly true, when most every high-profile Goodell punishment going beyond the letter of the CBA has been later vacated by the league's own appeal process or a court. The difference here? In the Brady case Goodell acted as his own arbitrator in the appeal. This current ruling isn't about the facts of deflation, but whether Goodell, as the acting arbitrator, implicitly has that broad authority per the current CBA. The decision was 2-1 that the NFLPA didn't prove some overwhelming/extreme unfairness in Goodell's handling of the arbitration.

So if we're going to talk precedent, it's worth noting that those previous cases in which Goodell ruled for some extended suspension regarding "conduct detrimental to the integrity of the game" were later overturned as him having overstepped the bounds of his authority. In addition, of the four competent, experienced judges that have heard the Brady case- Berman back in September, and this 2-1 ruling- we've got half believing Goodell overstepped his bounds, and half believing that Goodell, per the CBA, does implicitly possess this kind of extremely broad authority as commissioner and/or self-appointed arbitrator.

That's hardly a ringing endorsement for how the league should be run, or whether Goodell was fair and just in his penalty in this case. The decision may stand for a number of reasons- not the least of which is the idea that the courts do not wish to be in the business of renegotiating CBAs, or hamstringing arbitrators decision-making powers, and thus punt this question back to the NFLPA/NFL to resolve in their next CBA. But let's not kid ourselves that this is just, or fair, or desirable, or even "precedented", when it's none of these things.

posted by hincandenza at 09:49 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

The Patriots were punished for SpyGate. The Saints were punished for BountyGate. The Falcons were punished for CrowdNoiseGate. The Patriots were punished for DeflateGate.

Goodell is a hack, but there's nothing unprecedented about a team being punished with the NFL Commissioner acting as the ultimate authority. That is how a sports league is supposed to work, not endless court cases.

posted by rcade at 05:27 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

cixelsyd: Not true.

If you had stated "The Patriot's presentation of their interpretation of science convinced some of us the opposite was true", then yes.

Yeah, no... I'm not going to rehash this argument in depth yet again, anymore than I'm going to argue with someone who denies evolution as science instead of simply a personal interpretation of faith. The impartial evidence and arguments are out there a mere google search away, and the Wells Report itself shows the numbers, which match the exact prediction of the ideal gas law to within a tenth of a PSI. That's not the Patriots, that's the NFL's own personalized, paid for report!

The point is, per this ruling, Goodell could unilaterally declare that throwing 50+TDs, going 19-0, or going to the conference finals too many times in a decade is "conduct detrimental" to the league. And he'd be within his rights to do so in the CBA, as well as issue any punishment he deems fit. He'd also be within his rights to run his own appeals process, as his own arbitrator, and declare his punishment fair and just.

Even if legally supported under the premise "Well, you should have negotiated a better CBA, it's not our job to fix that as an appeals court", as a practice that's fucking insane and tyrannical. Fans are simply hoping he won't do that to your team- which is what the NFLPA did, because they incorrectly assumed Goodell wouldn't overreach this grossly, in a way no past commissioner did. The Patriots and Saints are among the teams whose fanbase have woken up to the horrible flaw in that assumption.

posted by hincandenza at 04:38 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

all the science has pointed at the opposite

Not true.

If you had stated "The Patriot's presentation of their interpretation of science convinced some of us the opposite was true", then yes.

I will be surprised if the commissioner's authority becomes a major issue in the next CBA

So ... what governs Goodell's term as the commissioner?

Is it possible the owners turf him before the next CBA?
I mean, we're all hung up on what Brady and the Patriots did or did not, but the handling of other more important issues has been equally flawed.

posted by cixelsyd at 04:04 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

As I understand it, there is supposed to be labor law that governs fairness- the arbitrator must be fair, and there is a "law of the shop" such that past penalties/allowed behavior bears weight on future punishments, etc. For example, if player X, Y, and Z all got a $25K fine for excess stickum, you can't suddenly give someone 3 games for the same infraction without due warning.

Consider that in recent years other incidences of ball tampering/pressure adjustment got a modest fine, that that penalty for such behavior is explicitly stated in the CBA. Yet Goodell is now acting as his own arbitrator, and made up a new penalty in contrast with an explicitly stated one, just for shits and giggles. With this successful appeal, so long as he doesn't violate the law/constitutional rights- Goodell can't now murder someone under the CBA, as an extreme example- there are no more limits on Goodell's rights to punishment. You're just hoping he won't go nuts on your team/favorite player with some "conduct detrimental" nonsense. Since he is his own appeals process, there is no chance he'll overrule his own initial ruling. If he nails a player on your favorite team, that player is toast: "extremely broad" means untouchable in this case.

And let's be clear: the CBA didn't give him this power, he took it. By pushing the envelope on what he could get away with, including becoming his own "impartial arbitrator", he eventually clawed out this new authority. I believe in 2020, the NFLPA sure as heck will die on that hill. They negotiated the last CBA without caring too much about this, because past and present commissioners didn't abuse their power like Goodell has done. Now, they know that not only will Goodell just make shit up- the science is unambiguous that no deflation occurred beyond exactly that defined by the ideal gas law- he will then be his own arbitrator where he can say to a player "I will be fair and impartial, provided you admit your guilt in everything I've accused you of, and accept your punishment", but that the circuit courts will uphold this based on the current CBA language. The union members can't be walking around with arbitrary punishments dangling over their head every time Goodell feels people need to respect his authori-tay.

In a tangential matter, I saw this amusing comment in the Reddit thread on this story:

strongscience62 Brady should get to serve his suspension in the preseason since, according to NFL ticket prices, those are real games too.
Well played, sir. :)

posted by hincandenza at 03:56 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

So basically, if Goodell wakes up tomorrow with a bad hair day, he can choose to suspend Tony Romo of the Cowboys for an entire year, and fine him 3x his annual salary, just because.

I think the ruling explicitly tries to avoid letting the commissioner do anything he wants. It just states his authority over matters like this is extremely broad in the CBA.

From the ruling:

Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. 141 et seq. (the "LMRA").We must simply ensure that the arbitrator was "even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority" and did not "ignore the plain language of the contract." ...

As long as the award "draws its essence from the collective bargaining agreement' and is not merely the arbitrator's own brand of industrial justice,'" it must be confirmed.

I will be surprised if the commissioner's authority becomes a major issue in the next CBA. It doesn't seem like a hill most players will feel like dying on. Only a small number of players get a significant punishment each year.

posted by rcade at 03:27 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

I thought the team already lost draft picks from this? In any case, that was never on the table regarding the suspension. This stopped being about Tom Brady, or those footballs, ages ago; the NFLPA can't be happy with this, which means either they keep fighting it, or maybe we have a strike at the next negotiation.

This seems like a pants-on-head retarded ruling (to me, the most pre-eminent labor law expert in all the land! :) ), since the presumption here seems to be that unless a CBA covers in chapter and verse every possible permutation of words and language and explicitly limits the commissioner in extreme detail in all possible ways, that the NFLPA and its members are basically exposed to any action on the part of the commissioner he may dream up. So basically, if Goodell wakes up tomorrow with a bad hair day, he can choose to suspend Tony Romo of the Cowboys for an entire year, and fine him 3x his annual salary, just because. And it will stand, because per the 2nd court, the CBA gives the commissioner "especially broad" powers.

The original appeal that overturned the suspension made a compelling case that the commissioner can't just invent new rules from whole cloth- 4 games for something that's explicitly in the rules as a $25K fine!- or based on rules that aren't part of the players agreement/rulebook. This new ruling seems to say "Even if you thought you'd agreed that the punishment for violation 'x' is detailed, you're fucked". That makes for shitty precedent, and to me means a strike/lockout at the next negotiation. The NFLPA will be forced to go hardcore next time, and basically say "We will not agree to any CBA that doesn't limit the commissioner to only fines, never to exceed $50K per player per game, and reviewable by an arbitrator hired by the NFLPA". The 2nd Circuit has just made it clear that the NFLPA would be crazy to not hold the line; if they do anything less, they have failed as a union.

Also, this from the article really pisses me off:

It is also likely to fuel a fresh round of debate over what role, if any, the quarterback and top NFL star played in using underinflated footballs in the AFC Championship Game in January 2015
Sorry, no. The case has never been made that there was any underinflation, intentional or otherwise; in fact, all the science has pointed at the opposite, that all measured 'deflation' was a result of the ideal gas law and nothing more. Granted, this is in a country where a significant percentage of the population denies evolution, climate change, and science in general, so I'm not that surprised. Still, that some deflation occurred continues to just be presumed in the face of all evidence is distressing in a "we've always been at war with Eastasia" kind of way. All I can hope is that Goodell goes completely nuts and starts over-penalizing players from many teams, so NFL fans can realize what was lost by the NFLPA in this ruling.

posted by hincandenza at 03:18 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

Interesting timing.

If this decision had come down earlier, perhaps there would have been some negotiating opportunities that involved a discussion of the draft picks. But not three days before the draft.

posted by beaverboard at 02:21 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

Calling it a "good idea" was my way of saying Goodell would never do it. He is a blight on all Rogers.

posted by rcade at 02:08 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

I don't see Goodell (delenda est)) thinking that "backing down" in that way would be good for the shield.

posted by Etrigan at 02:05 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

it would be a good idea for Goodell to offer to cut the suspension in half in exchange for Brady and Kraft's agreement to support that suspension and let the court fight end

Amen.

posted by cixelsyd at 01:13 PM on April 25

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

I'm not sure how the Twins/Nats game is crazier

Down by three runs in the 8th.
Score two runs in the bottom of the 8th.
A pinch-hit game tying solo home run by the best player in the NL (MLB?).
Another pinch-hitting pitcher gets a hit (Joe Ross in the 12th).
A catcher throwing error on a 2-out bunt by a relief pitcher to tie the game in the bottom of the 15th.
A walk-off home run by their 6th OF on the depth charts in the 16th inning.

More drama I guess than crazy, but Oliver Perez bunt-inducing-error with two out is pretty damn crazy (especially since the ball was going to roll foul if the catcher didn't touch it).

posted by grum@work at 01:00 PM on April 25

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

crazy stuff in MLB update

It must be something in the air, because Boston had to go 12 to beat Houston last night. After Boston went ahead by 2 in the 3rd, there was no further scoring -- until a Carlos Correa double and a Colby Rasmus home run off of closer Craig Kimbrell tied it in the bottom of the 9th. Heath Hembree pitched 3 scoreless for the win. Boston scored the winning runs with a pair of lead-off singles and a sacrifice bunt. This was followed by a 13-pitch walk to Ryan Hanigan that loaded the bases, and an RBI single by Jackie Bradley, Jr. A force play at the plate made it 2 out, but Hanigan scored on a wild pitch by losing pitcher Ken Giles, giving Boston an insurance run. A pair of strikeouts with 2 on ended it.

My wife and I got home from the Celtics game quite late (Boston's ever reliable untrustworthy MBTA plays a role here), so I turned on the TV to get the scores. Lo and behold, the game was still going, so I had to stay up until the end.

posted by Howard_T at 12:38 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

Same as last year, the Patriots can go 3-1 with Janeane Garofalo at Quarterback.

They could probably win the division if Brady took 16 games off.

posted by Mr Bismarck at 12:31 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

When the court overruled Goodell, I was surprised. I did not expect a judge to deny a league commissioner's authority to decide a player disciplinary matter covered by the collective bargaining agreement. This appeals ruling makes more sense to me. Courts like to avoid getting involved in situations that were decided through an arbitration process agreed to by both parties.

Now that a court has affirmed the NFL commissioner's authority, it would be a good idea for Goodell to offer to cut the suspension in half in exchange for Brady and Kraft's agreement to support that suspension and let the court fight end.

posted by rcade at 12:29 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

Patriots go 3-1 in those games with or without Brady and also win the division again. If one was of the opinion that the Patriots will only go as far as Brady will take them (which I am not) then having him fresher at the end of the season for a playoff run sounds appealing. And if the Patriots actually have meaningful regular season games after December 1 they would need to be much sharper going into the playoffs.

posted by cixelsyd at 12:20 PM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

If Brady misses the games against Arizona, Miami, Houston and Buffalo, I think the Patriots go 3-1 or 2-2. Arizona and Buffalo are the toughest opponents, but they get Buffalo at home.

posted by rcade at 11:58 AM on April 25

Tom Brady's 4-Game Suspension Reinstated for DeflateGate

This news coincides with stories that Tom Brady is No. 1 in uniform sales in the NFL.

posted by rcade at 11:53 AM on April 25

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

I'm not sure how the Twins/Nats game is crazier than the Pirates(of course! who else could've been involved in this?)/Diamondbacks game. I mean, that's pretty crazy set of instances in the Diamondbacks game.

The 2016 Pirates need a nickname pretty badly. The WTFs. The Is-This-Even-Baseball?. The What-Nexts?.

posted by NoMich at 11:33 AM on April 25

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

Bobby Knight is set to join fellow sports personalities Mike Tyson, Dennis Rodman, Hulk Hogan, John Daly, Jesse Ventura, Mike Ditka, Terrell Owens, Richie Incognito, Pete Rose, Latrell Sprewell, and John Rocker on the Trump campaign bandwagon.

No word on the leanings of other figures considered to be natural fits such as Romanowski.

Not seizing the opportunity to hop on board and complete the lineup are luminaries such as Metta World Peace, Chad Johnson, and Schilling.

To help lend a sense of balance, there's also a less colorful group of Donaldine athletic supporters that places a higher emphasis on functionality known as the Double Take Division that includes Clay Buchholz and the Foxboro troika of Belichick, Kraft, and Brady. Municipal water samples from eastern Massachusetts are currently on their way to an independent lab for testing.

Serving as a bridge between the two groups is bobsledder and Viking legend Herschel Walker.

posted by beaverboard at 11:06 AM on April 25

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

Okay, you're semi-weekly crazy stuff in MLB update:

Pirates' pitcher Jon Niese was used as a pinch-hitter in the top of the 13th inning, and got an RBI single on the 9th pitch of the at-bat. The single was fielded by the left fielder for the Diamondbacks, pitcher Shelby Miller.

Why was Miller in the game as an outfielder?

A combination of factors:

1) He was the pinch-runner for the Diamondbacks in the bottom of the 12th inning and scored the tying run to force it to go to the 13th inning. He was pinch-running for Zack Greinke, who was pinch-hitting for another pitcher.

2) Nick Ahmed had been thrown out of the game in the previous inning (just before Zack Greinke came to bat) for arguing balls/strikes. That meant the Diamondbacks had ZERO position players left on their bench. A pitcher was absolutely going to have to play out in the field.

Of course, in his first and only appearance in the outfield, the Pirates hit an RBI-double to LF, and an RBI-single to left field, to eventually win the game.

And guess what? That wasn't the craziest game of the day...

posted by grum@work at 09:42 AM on April 25

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

Understanding Football Radars For Mugs and Muggles.

posted by yerfatma at 09:22 AM on April 25

SportsFilter: The Sunday Huddle

dared to Zlatan

Yes. Yes, he did.

posted by grum@work at 09:24 PM on April 24

SportsFilter: The Sunday Huddle

Holy balls.

posted by Etrigan at 07:36 PM on April 24

SportsFilter: The Sunday Huddle

Spanish third division striker Javi Gomez dared to Zlatan.

posted by Mr Bismarck at 07:01 PM on April 24

The Secret History of Tiger Woods

Still working on it as a carryover from last night, but well worth it.

Woods I think would appreciate Thompson's length off the tee and ability to keep the ball in the fairway.

posted by beaverboard at 09:30 AM on April 24

SportsFilter: The Saturday Huddle

Wow, that's really cool, but I guess not if you're a Rockies fan.

posted by NoMich at 05:25 PM on April 23

SportsFilter: The Saturday Huddle

Jose Guillen - 1998

Yasiel Puig - 2016

Same stadium (Coors Field).
Same location (right-centre field).
Same chain of events (fly ball bounces off wall as right fielder tries to catch it, then fielder runs it down and throws to third).
Same jaw-dropping results.

posted by grum@work at 02:03 PM on April 23

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed reading that little trip down nostalgia lane. However, it seems the list actually came out in 2014, and that archive posting didn't have links to the rest of the series. So I've dug up the links, for anyone who wants them:

posted by hincandenza at 05:45 AM on April 23

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

Chad Finn kicks off an ongoing series of the 50 Best Red Sox Prospects* of All-Time**.

* "Prospect" related to the hype level, not the end-result.
** Only includes drafted players, so 1966-onward.

posted by yerfatma at 02:11 PM on April 22

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

Just in case anyone was curious:

Team batting numbers:

Cubs* - .243/.300/.378 84 OPS+

Angels** - .220/.294/.306/ 77 OPS+

*Pitchers only

**Entire team

posted by grum@work at 11:30 AM on April 22

SportsFilter: The Friday Huddle

So, what kinds of stupid bs happened in last night's Pittsburgh/San Diego game?

posted by NoMich at 07:45 AM on April 22

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

Jake freakin Arrieta, man. Another no hitter

posted by NoMich at 10:08 PM on April 21

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

If have the opportunity to put the Cubs/Reds game on, you should.

posted by NoMich at 09:51 PM on April 21

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

Prince at the Super Bowl

Yup. As good as I remember it.

posted by grum@work at 07:34 PM on April 21

SportsFilter: The Thursday Huddle

Prince at the Super Bowl

posted by tommytrump at 04:03 PM on April 21