His wife informed fsn about this , knowing the Fox Networks you can just wonder when they make it into a reality show . LOWE DOWN DIRTY SHAME .
How come every other thread on SpoFi has to be greeted with the observation (generally repeated several times by several different posters) that the world, or the country, is going to hell in a clutch purse? I don't mind commentary about trends -- in fact, that's a large part of the reason why I read SpoFi and not some other sports site -- but can't we be a little more original and thoughtful about this? The world is getting too this. The country is getting too that. A story about something happening in Little League triggers a rant about how we're mollycoddling the kids. No! Wait! We're insanely competitive! A story with the word "racism" anywhere in it inspires a wail of protest about how "PC" everything is nowadays. And it all adds up to the same thing: the world, the country, baseball Mom and apple pie are all going to hell in a clutch purse. I'm not picking on you, daddisamm (although I'm sure you will feel picked on). I think you should say what you want about this FPP. But you said, "I really dont[sic] care about the specifics," which makes me wonder if you even know the specifics. If you don't, is it valid to claim that an unexamined instance is an example of a trend? Which is exactly what you do, in your statements, "We have glamorized 'sleeping around'," and "People just dont want to try to make a marriage work any more." I read the article, and it reads to me like at lest some of the facts in this case are in dispute. That being the case, I don't know how valid it is to call it part of a trend. Trends exist. Some FPPs are about trends, and call for commentary on them. This FPP was about an incident, not a trend, and I would personally be happier if we could all perhaps tread with a little more caution in declaring a trend in response to every incident -- or, if we truly feel that a trend exists, ask ourselves if perhaps it's all been said before.
Ahh, a whole lotta noise about nothing. Let's not get too bent outta shape about a second-hand story regarding an athlete's personal life. Though, occaisionally, calling a guy like Derek Lowe an athlete is a crime.
Didn't Jose Canseco's book also address the infidelity problem in baseball? I thought he mentioned how Roger Clemens is one of the only players he knows of who isn't known for having another female here or there in various cities. Seems to me the whole lifestyle of a pro athlete, baseball in particular, lends itself to that problem. You have players living practically half to two-thirds of the year on the road, in hotels, often away from their families. All this time there are women everywhere they turn, often very attractive, eager to please women. That being said, yes, it is a sad thing, especially where kids are involved. But just because a guy throws a stupid baseball for a living doesn't mean he should be held to higher standards than the guy working in the next office over from you. And it's not right Lowe should have to have his picture plastered all over the place. He's human like you, me, the manager of the local grocery store, etc. It's like the story of when Bill Clinton was walking through Central Park not too long ago, and a guy pushing a stroller walked up to him and said how his "actions" while in office were a disgrace to the country. Clinton only told the guy, "I hope you're successful raising your child to be as perfect as you are." One of the biggest problems with society is that we're constantly bombarded by media with stories about every move every supposed "famous" individual makes. I, personally, would rather NOT know most of this stuff. But these days, it's impossible to avoid.
Here's some stats, lbb: David Blankenhorn stated in his book Fatherless America that: "The United States is becoming an increasingly fatherless society. A generation ago, an American child could reasonably expect to grow up with his or her father. Today, an American child can reasonably expect not to. This astonishing fact is reflected in may satistics, but here are the two most important. Tonight, about 40 percent of American children will go to sleep in homes in which their fathers do not live. Before they reach the age of eighteen, more than half of our nation's children are likely to spend at least a significant portion of their childhoods living apart from their fathers. Never before in this country have so many children been voluntarily abandoned by their fathers." Steve Farrar provides more stats in his book Anchor Man: 85 percent of all children who exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. 90 percent of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes. 71 percent of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. 75 percent of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. 63 percent of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. 70 percent of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes. 85 percent of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in fatherless homes. 80 percent of rapists come from fatherless homes.
I'm not picking on you, daddisamm Not yet, but... (although I'm sure you will feel picked on) ...now you are. That's a cheap shot if there ever was one.
That's a cheap shot if there ever was one. Is it? At worst, lbb uses this thread to expand upon a larger trend on Spofi, not unlike daddisamm's attempt to use this thread to expand upon a perceived societal trend. I don't really see it as an attack on a specific member. And I have to agree that pretty much any thread not about a specific athletic achievement turns into Aesop's Fables for a certain subset of commenters*. Of course, I suppose the popularity of sport is due to its metaphoric nature, wherein we find the meritocracy we think we desire in our day-to-day lives. * This subset varies from topic to topic. I don't mean there's a fixed group of people doing this.
Oh, I'm pretty much in agreement with l_b_b's general point (and yerfatma's rephrasing of it). The cheap shot is in the sentence I highlighted, and nowhere else.
qbert, it's not a cheap shot; it's an attempt to head off a misunderstanding. daddisamm has expressed several times in the past the idea that he's picked on here because he's Christian. By taking issue with his post, I'm willing to bet I triggered that button, and I was simply attempting to explain that no, it's not about him and his posts; his was just the post that led me to finally comment on a SpoFi trend. (and I love yerfatma's phrase, "the meritocracy we think we desire in our day-to-day lives")
So if we're not interjecting our feelings and opinions(we are still allowed those,yes?), why isn't this a statistics only site? Articles are put out, for comments and opinion, (op-ed), Yes? People are torn apart regularly as, uninformed, uneducated, Racist, sexualy-biased, and the list I'm sure goes on. I'm sure comments have been made on sports topics that people have'nt a clue about. People reagularly argue because of a difference of opinion. Is that not what makes us a individuals? I would like to believe that you can always learn something new if you are willing.
It's called razzing.
Funny thing is he will be judged by hypocrites who have done the same exact thing . Especially by the media .
why isn't this a statistics only site? I don't think anyone is arguing the straw man you're setting up. Rather, it's that we sometimes make overly large leaps of logic in hopes of grinding a personal axe. Argue away. As a wise man used to tell me every Saturday morning, "If you're not careful, you might just learn something before you're done."
I think that this is exactly what should happen to these guys. Marriage is a sacred union and it is sickening to me how we think that it is something that we can just get in and out of like it is a pair of jeans. Who cares about Derek Lowe, what about his wife and kids? His kids will now grow up with their father in the home because he could not do the simplest thing in the world which is stay faithful to his wife. As far as it not being fair to Derek that this is publicized, he makes millions of dollars a year because of the fans. If he doesn't want his life public, become an A/C repairman. If he doesn't want to be smeared in the news, BE A MAN AND DON'T RUN OUT ON YOUR FAMILY!!!!!!
Further proof that every corner of the FOX organization lacks journalistic integrity. I mean come on here people, this is ethics 101 on her part.
All of a sudden, once again, over and over, here we go trying to make a round peg (ball-player or anyone else living an abnormal life) fit into our ideal of a social square hole. F'git'about'it! Not gonna happen and you're banging your head against concrete to suggest it. Besides, Lowe will be made to pay dearly for this choice--finacially that is. Who can say what will happen with his (uhumm) carreer? All I know for sure is: you get back, in this life, what you put in.
this whole debate reminds me of Yankees Fritz Peterson and Mike Kekich,who in 1973 flat traded wives,children and dogs in a sraight up swap....So much for true love..Wonder whop the agent was??
And what was his cut?
Marriage is a sacred union and it is sickening to me how we think that it is something that we can just get in and out of like it is a pair of jeans "Romance is dead. It was acquired in a hostile takeover by Hallmark and Disney, homogenized, and sold off piece by piece. " - Lisa Simpson
I took some pleasure in seeing Trinka Lowe raking Derek over the coals for adultery. Based on my experience growing up, something like this permanently affects the relationship with dad and your level of trust in your own relationships, no matter how much you tell yourself otherwise. I am saddened when I hear news like this, because its another example of how bad things are in society. People are too quick to assume that things are getting worse. The divorce rate has been steadily dropping since 1981, down from 5.3 per 1,000 people to 4.0 per 1,000 people.
Incidentally, how could we have gotten this far into the discussion without an Anna Benson reference?
Wade Boggs was also had the notorious rep of multiple affairs, which help ending his marriage(didn't she pose for Playboy?) and was also sued by one of his mistresses. Still made it to the HOF. I don't think Lowe is that kind of quality player though.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see how much she is going to get out of him in divorce court. This won't be pretty at all.
this is ethics 101 on her part Too bad for her she could have had the inside scoop on Lowe having an affair, being a participant in said affair and all. It could have been some kind of gonzo-ho journalism. Instead she gets scooped by the jilted wife, that is some sad ass reporting. Fox was mad because she didn't film it to be cut into "reality" episodes later. And in regard to the trend declarations, etc., it kind of gets to sounding like this, Walter Sobchak: "Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one who pays attention to the rules any more?" (Except not funny...or less funny).
i kno all of you have opinions and statistics to back them up....I just think that these days having a marriage is harder than it used to be... a lot of it is because these days there are more temptations and it is easier to split up than to actually try to save the marriage... I'm sure that there is another side to the story and that Trinka shares some of the blame...But i still think that Derek should have kept it in his pants at least till Trinka knew it was over..
Wade Boggs was also had the notorious rep of multiple affairs, which help ending his marriage For better or worse, no divorce ever happened. Articles this past weekend made mention of Mrs. Boggs standing by "her man". I assume that was a non-exclusive use of the word "her".
I just think that these days having a marriage is harder than it used to be... a lot of it is because these days there are more temptations and it is easier to split up than to actually try to save the marriage... Oh, bullshit. the temptation to fuck somebody else has been around since the first pairing off of male and female. If you can't control yourself, don't get married. If you get married, control yourself. It's that easy. I've been with my wife twelve years this October, I've never done anything with anybody but her since the day I met her, and I love her more now than I ever have. You can take that "it's harder these days" copout bullshit if you want, but not me. Try exercising dignity and honor in your everyday life, and you won't have to scrounge for ridiculous excuses to explain your asinine behavior when you get caught.
right on Black Hand..
Lowe's just trying to get his mind off his 7-11 record. If you can't control yourself, don't get married. If you get married, control yourself. Or if you realize it was a mistake, get divorced.
Ouch. I think we can pretty much characterize Lowe is a complete dickhead on several points, including: 1)"He told me he wanted me gone when he got back from the next road trip,'' she said. That's nice work. 2) He called her from a road trip to let her know it was over. 3) He took Hughes to the All-Star Game (wow, and no one noticed that wasn't his wife with him?). None of my business, of course.
I wonder if the public airing of this has led him to make the "Lowe face".
there are more temptations nowadays. women populate the workforce to a much higher degree. work-place romances are far more frequent. sure, staying at home has temptations, but I'd wager not nearly as many as happy hours and business lunches and travel offer. ignoring that is simple fact is simple-minded. but acting on temptation because there are more is not an excuse.
i kno all of you have opinions and statistics to back them up....I just think that these days having a marriage is harder than it used to be... a lot of it is because these days there are more temptations and it is easier to split up than to actually try to save the marriage... More temptations? How? Like vending machine sluts?
Hey, I'm not an apologist for the guy...but of the people I've known who had to travel a lot for work, a significant percentage had major relationship difficulties as a result -- and this was without groupies throwing themselves at them (us). Relatively few of them cheated, but a lot had a relationship go on the rocks directly or indirectly because of their travel and away-time. You can point to the cheating as despicable, and I'll agree with you, but the problem is much more than wandering hands and eyes, and "just do it" answers don't work, unless you mean "Just don't get married if you think you might ever take a job with a lot of travel".
Next thing you know somebody slipped him some steroids. Don't know how THAT got into my body!
Like vending machine sluts? Would you happen to have a location for these vending machine sluts you refer to? Seriously, temptation has always been around, IMO it's not more prevalent now than before - what's more prevalent is that we hear about it more often...
Holy shit - There are vending machine sluts?!? Why was I not informed!
If they told you where they were, it'd be easy to cheat and more temptation. It's really for your own good.
If they told you where they were, it'd be easy to cheat and more temptation. It's really for your own good. they're not for me, they're for my single friend :)
volfire , Dont you mean someone slipped him some Viagra , hey maybe it was raffy .
People are too quick to assume that things are getting worse. The divorce rate has been steadily dropping since 1981, down from 5.3 per 1,000 people to 4.0 per 1,000 people. That's part of the story and the reasons behind the divorce rate decline may be found here. Oh, bullshit. the temptation to fuck somebody else has been around since the first pairing off of male and female. If you can't control yourself, don't get married. If you get married, control yourself. Couldn't have said it better. It's like drinking and driving...some things in life are clear-cut.
I'm assuming those vending machines don't have the protective flap on the bottom.
I was very disappointed to hear about this affair wrecking their marriage, but then I learned that Carolyn Hughes has really super hair, so maybe that justifies adultery after all.
sure, rcade, the divorce rate is going down per 1000 people but what you aren't saying is that that is only because of gayism and the gay media turning people gay and making more gays who can't get gay marriages and have gay divorces.
Oh boy, here we go again.........
wait, DLowe's gay!??!
I wonder if the divorce rate is dropping because more couples shack up before getting married, learning whether they are compatible before walking down the aisle. The divorce rates in the U.S. are highest in the South, where religious beliefs cause more young people to marry while still virgins. For reasons like this, I think most stats bemoaning the amount of divorce aren't painting the whole picture. People in committed relationships that do not marry aren't counted at all. Incidentally, I'd be curious to find out how many participants in this thread are, like me, children of divorce.
I'm number 2, rcade...and I believe we grew up in the same area?
My parents were divorced and I have been divorced. Took me growing up and THINKING OUTSIDE OF MYSELF to get me into the stable relationship I am in now. That is the problem these days too much thinking about selfish things and instant gratification.
My folks are still together after 54 years while I'm on my third marriage--though I'm optimistic that this decision was far better informed and so far seems to be. Grew up in NJ and they still live there. There seem to be two pieces to this discussion, the cheating and Lowe's social position. Cheating, well, life is short and filled with sorrow people try to do the best they can. I still think it's ridiculous to make an issue out of it simply because one of the people is a celebrity but then again I think that applies a lot more broadly (OJ, Robert Blake trials for instance). I'd just as soon see Court TV and their ilk off the air.
My biological mother and father have five failed marriages between them. On the up side, I still get tons of Christmas cards from uncles, aunts and cousins that I still don't know. And calling me simple minded for not acknowledging more temptation now than years ago, well, that's just simple minded. So there. Tempation to screw around has and always will be there, and certain asshats will always do it, while the rest of us honor our spouses, and (not to get too biblical) cleave only unto them.
its nothing new, but there is more about, if you think about it.
sorry about the 'simple-minded' thing.
ahh, five failed marriages between my mother and father as well. What a f***ing trip! or were it trips? Walter Sobchak: "Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one who pays attention to the rules any more?" I love obscure Lebowski quotes.
People are too quick to assume that things are getting worse. The divorce rate has been steadily dropping since 1981, down from 5.3 per 1,000 people to 4.0 per 1,000 people. posted by rcade at 11:59 AM CST on August 4 That was my point, we still hear this 50% divorce rate garbage. I dont care about Lowe per say. It just saddens me to hear about a failed marriage. No I dont feel picked on lbb as am very comfortable with my feelings on this topic. My parents were married 30 plus years before my father died of cancer. I, myself, have been married 24 to the same lovely woman. Marriages fail because they are not not taken seriously. Many people bail out at the first sign of trouble.
People are too quick to assume that things are getting worse. The divorce rate has been steadily dropping since 1981, down from 5.3 per 1,000 people to 4.0 per 1,000 people. posted by rcade at 11:59 AM CST on August 4 That was my point, we still hear this 50% divorce rate garbage. I dont care about Lowe per say. It just saddens me to hear about a failed marriage. No I dont feel picked on lbb as am very comfortable with my feelings on this topic. My parents were married 30 plus years before my father died of cancer. I, myself, have been married 24 to the same lovely woman. Marriages fail because they are not not taken seriously. Many people bail out at the first sign of trouble.
daddisamm has expressed several times in the past the idea that he's picked on here because he's Christian. By taking issue with his post, I'm willing to bet I triggered that button, and I was simply attempting to explain that no, it's not about him and his posts; his was just the post that led me to finally comment on a SpoFi trend.> Dont give yourself too much credit llb. I am beyond being picked on...Like I said I am comfortable with how I feel about this...... If dont want discussions like this, then quit posting this type of story. I generally stay way from social issues when I post a link.
Our world is screwed up. People have no morals. posted by daddisamm at 11:13 PM CST on August 3 FWIW, I think statements like these may be the "trend" being discussed, not necessarily social discussions in general. Thats how I interpreted lbb's comments anyway. I took her comments to mean she sees a lot of posters saying the world is going to hell in a handbasket (I like that better than clutch purse because I don't know what the hell a clutch purse is.)
I'm not sure why people should be "worried" about other people's marriages. It should have absolutely no effect on your life (unless, you know, you're "the other person" in the situation). Trying to impose a personal moral system upon other people is probably one of the most arrogant things a person can do. Thank you. The media is one-sided and is looking for the good store...never know what's the real truth unless it's your own story. So let them deal with it and get on with their lives. Besides, I thought that was a major principal this country was founded in the first place. So we could all live our lives as well please and not get blasted for it. Who cares what they did. Worry about you. This may be a little off subject, but everyone should stop trying to be so PC and stop worrying about who you offend too. No matter what happens or what you do someone will always be offended. We're all different....so deal with it.
That's screwed up and I don't see why'd he leave here. She looks hot to me
Your're right Irish, but I think the opening target is the fact that when you put yourself in the public eye, you are subject to this type of commentary on your life/lifestyle. Hence the whole Prince/Princess thing? Nobody is peering through my fence trying to take pics of me. And also big cudo's on the pc/offended thing. Which was the point I tried to make earlier. If I offend anyone, it's probrably my opinion and we all know everyone has one of those and they all smell.
Trinka and Derek Lowes
Fine figure of a woman, but the dress has got to go.
Who dressed him? And what the hell is that on his head? To bald to feather that stuff back anymore? Where's the baseball hat the reat of us wear? Backwards even!
You would think with all the money he makes they would shop somewheres other than walmart .
Booyah, volfire and evil. This guy is such a goof. Hahaha.
The woman he is seeing is HOT! Hot! Hot! Carolyn Hughes is a babe! That is why she is in LA, the tops sports and entertainment city in the world. All the guys here droll over her, but I would think she could do better than Derek Lowe?
I was very disappointed to hear about this affair wrecking their marriage, but then I learned that Carolyn Hughes has really super hair, so maybe that justifies adultery after all Why didn't article just say so? "Really super hair" is one of the few excuses that most wives would actually buy. In fact, Derek will probably be able to receive spousal support (after all, the divorce is happening in L.A.)
sure, rcade, the divorce rate is going down per 1000 people but what you aren't saying is that that is only because of gayism and the gay media turning people gay and making more gays who can't get gay marriages and have gay divorces. posted by gspm at 2:44 PM CST on August 4 HAHAHAHAHA Thst clip is freakin hilarious.
The divorce rate is down because not as many people are getting married , except the gays , they can't wait to get hitched .
From a forward:
The husband, Tommy Siboni, spoke to Tom Leykis on KLSX. 97.1 Tuesday afternoon . . . "this is not the first time that something happened with her and I. It's always involved major athletes." Asked if he would care to share, Siboni said Karl Malone left a message at 11:30 at night. "He said hey baby it's Karl. You're probably out in Los Angeles finding my replacement. So give me a call when you get a chance. I don't know what that meant." Siboni then asked Hughes about Kobe Bryant and Hughes never believed that happened. Hughes said she and Bryant were friends that she was there for him as he was going through some problems. "I said when did you become this major counselor?"
Carolyn Hughes is not all that hot.
danostuporstar ........ YIKES , who let the dog out !!!!!!!
Apparently, DLowe had a reputation as a boozing whore in Boston too.
From the article: Our MetroWest Daily News colleague Lenny Megliola reports today that Sox owner John Henry was less than impressed when Lowe brought a galpal not wife Trinka to a Boston event they both attended last year. We'll have to wait and see if Henry resigns Damon. Or maybe Damon gets a pass since he married his mistress.
"He has a drinking problem,'' said Someone close to the ex-Sox hurler. Given the capital "S" in "someone", I'm guessing the inside source is Jesus.
