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The Trophy Room

First of all, a trivia question. What are the 11 different ways for a baseball player to reach 1st base safely? Answer at bottom of page. I'm the saddest fan of them all: Toronto Maple Leafs Buffalo Bills (but not so much since the Holy Trinity retired...Kelly, Thomas, Reed) It could be worse...I could be a Boston or Chicago baseball fan. The most memorable sporting event was a hockey game back in the late 80's (not sure exactly when). A friend of the family got me really nice Leaf tickets during the Xmas holidays. They were playing the Bruins, so I took my friend Joe who was a big Boston fan. After two periods, the Leafs were getting killed, 5-1. My friend was really laying on the taunting thick, and I was contemplating how I could kill him on the way home. Then, to start the 3rd period, Wendel Clark scored a quick goal. Hey, at least they'll make it respectable, is what I figured. And then another goal is scored. And another. Well, lo and behold, the Leafs tie it up and send the game into overtime (the last goal was scored with an extra attacker, by Wendel again). Then, with about a minute left in the overtime, Wendel Clark blows one past the goalie and the place EXPLODES with noise. I must have gone hoarse from the shouting. The stunned/saddened look on Joe's face the entire ride home was like icing on the cake. ... Trivia Answer: 1. Hit 2. Base on balls 3. Hit by pitch 4. Catcher interference 5. Dropped third strike 6. Error 7. Fielder's choice 8. Hitting a baserunner with the batted ball 9. A ball, pitched to the batter or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher's plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand, or player's bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop, or is touched by a spectator. (Obscure rule 7.05(h)) 10. The third strike becomes lodged in the umpires equipment (not touched by the catcher). (Obscure rule 7.05(i)) 11. Pinch Runner

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This is Vin Scully's 66th season broadcasting Dodger games. Seriously.:
A goddman national treasure, I will turn on any Dodger games I am awake for on the east coast, and go to sleep listening to him call a game.

posted by grum@work to baseball at 10:27 PM on June 29 - 4 comments

The stories of Lonnie Smith.:
SBNation's Jon Bois has produced a third episode of his "Pretty Good" videos, and this one is about (possibly) the most interesting athlete of the 1980s, Lonnie Smith.
(Warning: There be some cursing in this here video.)

posted by grum@work to baseball at 05:23 PM on June 19 - 1 comment

Remaining conviction against Barry Bonds is overturned.: More than 7 years after the original indictment (4 perjury, 1 obstruction of justice), Bonds is found not guilty of all charges.

posted by grum@work to baseball at 10:26 PM on April 22 - 6 comments

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SportsFilter: The Saturday Huddle

"This is an incredible battle of two incredible athletes." - commentator from the video.

Okay, then.

posted by grum@work at 12:42 AM on July 05

SportsFilter: The Wednesday Huddle

Somehow, in some way, the English women's national team has come up with an even more ENGLISH (heartbreaking) way to lose a World Cup match than their male counterparts could have imagined.

posted by grum@work at 10:37 PM on July 01

This is Vin Scully's 66th season broadcasting Dodger games. Seriously.

He first started broadcasting Dodger games in 1950.

  • There were only 48 states in the union at the time.

  • All five best picture nominees at the Oscars that year were in black & white, the last year that ever happened.

  • St. Louis was the western-most team in MLB. There are now 12 teams further west.

  • Since broadcasting his first Dodger game, Ken Griffey was born, grew up, played 19 seasons in MLB, retired, and his son also played 22 seasons in MLB, and retired 5 years ago.

  • He's also broadcasted the entire careers of Gus Bell (1950-1964), his son Buddy Bell (1972-1989), and his sons David Bell (1995-2006) and Mike Bell (2000).

  • There have been twelve different presidents during that time.

  • One of the players he did play-by-play about was born more than 106 years ago.

  • It was the last season that Connie Mack was a manager in MLB. He was born almost 153 years ago.

posted by grum@work at 10:55 PM on June 29

SportsFilter: The Monday Huddle

The best part is how Ehlo falls down on the side lines in perfect timing with Jordan's transformation, like he was felled by the energy wave.

posted by grum@work at 03:21 PM on June 29

SportsFilter: The Sunday Huddle

Baseball is a pretty easy sport to play.

Except for these guys:

posted by grum@work at 08:49 PM on June 28

SportsFilter: The Wednesday Huddle

Um, there's this guy named Mike Trout ...

Do you have a specific play he's made this season that tops those two?

(I said "Play of the Year", not "Player of the Year".)

posted by grum@work at 12:36 AM on June 25

SportsFilter: The Wednesday Huddle

Josh Donaldson actually does what everyone THINKS Derek Jeter did.

So now you have to ask...

Which Blue Jays player will win the "Play of the Year" award?

Donaldson for the above catch, or Kevin Pillar?

posted by grum@work at 04:22 PM on June 24

Pete Rose bet on MLB games while an active player in those games.

When Rose says he started gambling "when I became a manager," do you think he meant "when I became a manager exclusively and was no longer a player-manager"? That seems like a strained interpretation to me -- but it's the one all over the media today. If anyone finds a contemporary media account that acknowledges Rose has said in the past he gambled as a player-manager, I'd love to see the link.

The problem is that Rose has a history of changing his story to fit the information that has come out. Maybe he did mean "player-manager" and shortened it to "manager", but given his extensive history of lying, I definitely won't be giving him the benefit of the doubt.

chasing the all-time hit record until getting 4,192 on Sept. 11, 1985. I imagine that pursuit was his major preoccupation -- it certainly was mine during the season.

Ah. This would help explain your point of view.

I was only 14 at the time, and more interested in the Blue Jays pursuit of their first playoff appearance. I was barely paying attention to the NL at the time, and Rose's run would have been a secondary/tertiary thing in my mind.

To me, Rose is an overrated historical figure for his records, and a creep because of his self-promotion (playing himself in pursuit of the records) and breaking "the cardinal rule". In fact, his appearances at WWE events and being an Arrested Development visual gag have a stronger positive resonance with me now.

posted by grum@work at 03:59 PM on June 24

SportsFilter: The Wednesday Huddle

Kid jaws with Miggy Cabrera, and gets a surprise.

posted by grum@work at 09:55 AM on June 24

Pete Rose bet on MLB games while an active player in those games.

So there's your public act of contrition and a heartfelt pledge for future sterling conduct. That was enough to convince you, right?

And he followed up that sterling conduct by still lying about it 5 years later.


posted by grum@work at 10:39 PM on June 23

Pete Rose bet on MLB games while an active player in those games.

In his 2004 autobiography, My Prison Without Bars, Rose admitted betting on baseball when he was a player-manager.

Are you sure about this?

Then please explain this for me:

In an interview Thursday [April 23, 2015] with Michael Kay on ESPN NY 98.7 FM, Rose reiterated that he did not bet on baseball when he was a player.

John Dowd, who led the original investigation, responded to Rose's Thursday claims by saying Rose is lying.

"He bet when he was a player-manager in '85-'86 and the proof is from Ron Peters in the report," Dowd told Outside the Lines' William Weinbaum, "and there is more evidence from others and from gambling records. It's all right there that he bet as a player-manager."

"That's the way Pete is. He knows the truth and he lied about it in his book," Dowd added.

He was lying right up until 2 months before he got caught in his lies.


posted by grum@work at 10:36 PM on June 23

Pete Rose bet on MLB games while an active player in those games.

If you don't believe me, ask Rob Manfred, who said in May he'd consider reinstatement.

Oh, I see you've fallen victim to Manfred's tactic of not taking a stance on anything that is ever put in front of him, regardless of of how silly it might sound. It's a great move by him as it keeps his critics on both sides at bay, since "considering" means both "I might do it" and "I might not do it", without committing to anything.

Here are all the things Rob Manferd is "considering":

Pete Rose reinstatement
shorter schedule
team in Montreal
DH for both leagues
modifying the strike zone
eliminating the defensive shifts

What do you the chances are that he follows through with ANY of those changes in the next 5 years?

That's a Charlie Brown and the football scenario, and danging it out there when you're so adamant about continuing the ban is not serious. Be honest, Lucy. Any admission Rose made would be thrown into the pile of reasons to justify dragging this all the way to his grave.

Well, I don't think Pete Rose can "admit" to anything else at this point, so it doesn't matter anymore.

Every other time he seems to admit to something, it's either because someone has provided proof that he was previously lying, or he can make money off it (with a book).

Besides, he's walked himself right to the edge of the pier, and doesn't have any more room to go. What is left for him to admit? I provided the list at the beginning of this thread about all the previous lies that have been exposed. There is only one more to go, and if he admits that one then of course there is no chance of ever being reinstated, so there isn't any point in admitting it.

However, if he admitted at the beginning to everything he conceded to at this point, then maybe he'd have a much better case to plead to the commissioner.

Finally, Pete Rose agreed to a lifetime ban from MLB. I'm not sure why that agreement should be rescinded just because he's had a change of heart.

posted by grum@work at 10:22 PM on June 23

Pete Rose bet on MLB games while an active player in those games.

Since you think the idea of Rose's family seeking reinstatement after his death is something to snicker about, the chance we'll see eye to eye on this is close to zero.

My snicker was about the idea that the Veteran's Committee would even THINK about voting him into the HOF, regardless of his status on this mortal coil. Other than a couple of hold outs (like Mike Schmidt, former teammates), his contemporaries have made it clear that he wouldn't get voted in if the time ever came.

can manage to understand the seriousness of a rule without punishing Rose for another quarter century or two

Then why is it a lifetime ban? It was known to players before Rose went and broke the rules. The impetus should be on those to explain why a previously established rule should be changed, not why an existing rule should be enforced.

What interest hasn't already been served that will be served with more time?

"Lifetime ban" doesn't really mean much if you don't actually enforce it for a lifetime.

Pete Rose is the shining example of how serious that rule really is to MLB. One of the stars of the game is ostracized because he broke that rule. Everyone sees that the MLB means business about players betting on baseball. The moment they cut that sentence, it sends the message to everyone "Okay, we don't think it's REALLY important any more."

posted by grum@work at 04:37 PM on June 23

Pete Rose bet on MLB games while an active player in those games.

They should be allowed to do this. It would be smart for Manfred to reinstate him so that the Rose scandal can fade into history.

It would be even smarter NOT to do this so the Rose scandal NEVER fades into history. You want future players/managers/personnel to NEVER forget about the punishment for breaking the rule.

posted by grum@work at 01:39 PM on June 23

Pete Rose bet on MLB games while an active player in those games.

They don't have the choice, so we don't know what some organization in baseball would do if the commissioner allowed it.

Oh, I'm pretty sure that the Reds would welcome him home with open arms if MLB would allow them.

Heck, MLB has relented once already by letting him appear for the "All-Century" team moment during the 1999 All-Star game.

posted by grum@work at 01:07 PM on June 23