Disclaimer: I hate the Pats. Nothing personal against them, it's just in my DNA to hate all sports teams east of Pittsburgh and north of DC. I can't believe this Pats team. I just don't see how players can be sooo calm in a hurricane of G-men blue and about eleventy-nundred rabid Giants fans screaming their lungs out for heads to be put on pikes. But there they were, late in the game and on the bench, Belichik with his dry-erase board in hand letting Brady know what to change and how to do it. No players were pointing fingers at teammates, nobody throwing a fuss, nobody crying, nobody pulling a Jorvorskie Lane. Nope, they made their tactical adjustments, executed them on the field of play and came back to win the friggin' game. I think the Pats might be the Terminator. Did anyone see the Pats performing surgery on themselves during the game? Oh well, at least Eli lost*. * - on the other hand, Philip Rivers didn't have to lose this game.
My man calm the fuck down with this BS. It's my opinion. You want me to change it for you? Look at the damn glossary you typed and I'm embarrassing myself? Calm down please, you're 16-0, you're the greatest ever. There will you sleep better at night now? Like I said, crazed soccer mob. I understand they're 16-0, I just happen to know they are not perfect (regardless of what ESPN says). Not 1 NE fan will admit to what Baltimore did to them. Holding up signs that say perfect? Please. you pretty much are a laughaby bitter fan of one of the other 29 teams spouting a lot of useless hot air. Ahh the class of New Englanders. Forget the 16-0, you got your ass whipped by a 4-11 team and only got the W because of 2 do overs. You call that perfect? Does it hurt that bad? It's a game bro, geez, do you want to kick my ass because my opinion is different? Jets twice, Dolphins twice, Bills twice. Perfect? Come on. Gimme wins against 2 teams not in the Playoffs and 1 against a wild card team. The greatest of all time? You're killing me and actually embarrassing yourself. You're arguing a subjective view of perfection here which has no evidence. The '72 Dolphins played a ton of teams that were below .500; does that tarnish their record? How does one judge the best season of all time other than the record, given the fact that teams from different years are not playing the same teams? There is no team that plays the 16 hardest games possible (based on record). It's impossible. The number of "gimmes" as you call them is somewhat the same for every team, given a margin for error. It's designed that way. In addition to that, as was witnessed against Baltimore, the Jets and the Eagles, there is a level of parity in the NFL which makes going 16-0 very, very hard. Any team, given a week of their players stepping up, can beat another team. It takes skill, luck, determination, a little help from the officials at times and some long shots. There is NO great team who hasn't benefited from all that. If you think there is, please direct me to them. You have, to date, said nothing but negative things towards what the Patriots have done. You're a self-described martyr, acting like having a different opinion around here will get your ass kicked. It won't, but the condescending, repeating the same point over and over until you're blue in the fact style of arguing is contemptible everywhere. Yes, we know you don't respect the Patriots because they "lost" to Baltimore. We get it. Everyone gets it. Unless you have something else to donate to the discussion, we already see that point. You don't need to reiterate it. If you can't even muster up enough gumption to admit that it was a pretty brilliant season (TD records, point records, etc), perfect or not, you're a cancer on these discussions.
Not 1 NE fan will admit to what Baltimore did to them. Holding up signs that say perfect? Please. there are some teams who are simply good at winning ugly, in close games. baltimore beat themselves. ill admit that. but how many times have we seen teams make stupid mistakes and still win the game because the other team cant capitalize? it happenes every week. usually two or three times a week. how many times have we seen the pats have to come back from a deficite? it happenes. the difference is that the pats play methodical football. they dont get too excited if they are up by 21. they dont get down if they find themselves behind the 8-ball. they dimply play their game, which mostly consists of not making catastrophic mistakes, and waiting for their opponent to make mistakes. they are like a sniper. patiently waiting for the right moment to strike then doing so with lethal precision. in the case of baltimore, the ravens didnt make a mistake until late in the game, when it seemed like they had it won. that was fine with the pats, they got their chance and capitalized on it. then they got another one and capitalized on it. then the ravens fell apart. there is no formula for how to beat a team like this, unless you can play perfect football for 60 minutes. brady to moss isnt thier game. thir game is capitalizing on your mistakes. and if you figure out how to beat that, there are 11 teams right now who would like to hire you.
Congratulations to the Patriots and their fans on a truly remarkable accomplishment.
The Pats have been amazing this year. Their division may be weak, but its still challenging to beat even the lowliest of NFL squads twice in the same year. Jimmy Roberts made a good point on The Sports Reporters this morning: The Pats are getting the Tiger Woods treatment this year. People are questioning their wins when they aren't massive blowouts. Looking for any reason to point out a possible chink in the armor. That being said I think teams have established a blueprint to beat the Pats, but no team has been able to play the mistake free type of game to make it work.
As a Vikings fan, I have to admit I'm bitter to see Randy Moss playing hard (and setting well-deserved records) for the Patriots when he dogged it with the Vikings. it seemed to me that the calls were really going New England's way What about the mystery call on the sidelines that went from a 15 yard penalty against the Patriots to a 15 yard call against the Giants?
Thanks steeler_fan.Some people just can't get themselves to see how good of a team N.E. really is.It doesn't matter what happened in the Baltimore game,the Indy game,or any other game where they fell behind.The bottom line is winning those close games.You can't give Brady second chances or he'll make a team pay as he did last night after Hobbs intercepted that pass.The Patriots have beaten playoff teams.Pittsburgh,Giants,Cowboy
s,Colts,Chargers,Jaguars,and the Browns if they make it.Pretty impressive I think.All the asterisk bull,all the"But Baltimore really won that game bullshit, just give the credit that the Patriots deserve?They've been down and almost out in a couple of games,but what seperates them from all the rest is that they have the killer instinct to win those close games coming from behind.Sure ,you've got to have a few things go your way,such as the boneheaded timeout against Baltimore and the penalties,but it's what they did to win that game.You can't give a well coached team with Brady and the talent they have on that team chances to beat you.No matter how you look at it,they're 16-0.The first team to do so in the regular season.Three more to go,and then that will be a perfect season.
And now comes the "real" season. Here is where NE has to be as close to perfect as they can get. They will face 3 quality football teams in their next 3 games, assuming they do not falter along the way. As much of a Pats' fan as I am, I was not truly convinced until last night that they could not be beaten. This morning I am convinced that there is only one team that can beat the New England Patriots, and that team is The New England Patriots. In other words, if they give less than their best effort, either in preparation, attitude, or execution, they will not finish the season undefeated.
it should also be pointed out that the pats beat the 2nd best team in the afc (indy) and the best team in the nfc (boys)all told they beat 5 playoff teams this year (6 pending the outcome of todays games) that is about a third of the season. thats still a pretty tough schedule. in regards to the close games, if they hadnt had them, people would be saying "yeah but nobody ever challenged them. could they handle the pressure of a close game?" people just dont want to accept miracles. they want to try to explain them. its really very simple" perfection is the absence of flaws. 16 wins against 0 losses is a flawless record and is therfore, by deffinition, perfect.(i hope the bold print on the period shows up)
What about the mystery call on the sidelines that went from a 15 yard penalty against the Patriots to a 15 yard call against the Giants? From what I could tell, it looked as if the announcers thought initially the penalty was for a late hit. Replays showed the hit was good and I think the flag was on Burress for saying something in the fracas that occurred at the sideline.
My man calm the fuck down with this BS. It's my opinion. You want me to change it for you? posted by Footballcrew at 5:16 AM CST on December 30 Nobody asking to you change your opinion. Would you admit, at least, the Pats are one of the most enjoyable, hardworking, best coached and determined group of football players ever to be assembled? If you cannot admit these obvious attributes for this team, then your opinion is flawed, and is going to be cast aside with other obvious assumption in the past i.e. the world is flat and it's easy to figure out women.
We can stop responding to him. He's done trolling, and I suspect he won't be back. I agree that it's going to get harder for the Pats now. Not only are the other teams going to be better, they're going to have to go to the run a lot more as the weather gets worse (which night be the only part of their game plan that could be considered a weakness), and if they lose now, it's a tragedy, not just a bummer.
I have no scientific basis for this statement, but is it statistically true that the odds of a team losing the next game increase with each win? Does the skill level of a team negate or minimize this effect? I do feel like a Superbowl victory would be the crowning achievement of the year, but even if they don't win it all, this season has truly been amazing.
joey, i dont know if thats true or not. in some ways id say that it might be, because each game they play, gives the next team something more to learn from. it also gives them more oppertunity to get injured. on the other hand, i think the law of independent averages may apply here. they've won 16 games in 16 different ways. nobody has really exposed a real diffinitive weakness. they are almost entirely healthy now. honestly theorys mean nothing when it comes down to it. hell this season even the "any given sunday theory" has not been in effect regarding the pats. sometimes everything you know takes a season off. i think this is one of those seasons.
They cover this pretty extensively in the play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead. The odds of flipping heads on a coin is 1 in 2, regardless of how many times in a row you've done it before. 5 times, 10 times, 100 times in a row you've flipped heads? The next flip, it's still 1 in 2. There are 16 games' worth of tape on the many tricks of Belichick, and no one's been able to solve the Pats for four consecutive quarters yet. The Pats also have 16 games' worth of tape on the teams they're playing, so that evens out. They're not unbeatable. The question is whether the Browns, Colts or Cowboys (or whoever they wind up playing in the next month) can somehow succeed where everyone else has failed.
Tom Brady did one thing that made me very happy tonight--no, it wasn't winning, getting the season TD record nor going undefeated--and it was something very simple: when he gave his post-game on the field quick interview with the NFL Network he did not thank any deity and his first words in response to the question were "hard work."
To be fair, I was a little harsh with Footballcrew, so he was right to be angry with me. But I don't understand the desire to crap on a celebratory thread with unsubstantiated bashing. As for Joey Michaels: One week to the next shouldn't matter, except psychologically. That might impact in the regular season (the "well, we finally lost and got that monkey off our back" relief) but in the playoffs everyone's playing for an undefeated season. However, I'm not sure if the bye week will either refresh them just in time, or hurt them. They were utterly dominant until the Colts game, a squeaker just before their bye week. They came back and pasted the Bills 56-10, but since then they haven't had a strong win except against the Steelers. Granted, the Steelers and the Colts are the two teams they're likely to face in the AFC Championship if they win their first game, and they've beaten both; the only likely playoff opponent they haven't beaten might be the Packers, should they meet in the Superbowl. Pittsburgh will as the likely #3 (barring both a loss from them today and a Chargers win) play the lesser wildcard, either Tennessee or Cleveland, and the Patriots would play the winner of that matchup. So I'm expecting a Steelers @ Patriots in the second round, at Foxboro. I also am hoping for the same outcome as the last time... :) My take on the Patriots is that they are playing at home for two games, which should help them unless we see severe weather conditions, but I think the weather will be better in Foxboro than Pittsburgh anyway, while the Colts' have too much homefield advantage- I think Manning would be more bothered by the open air winter weather than Brady. As a casual observer and football novice, it seems they do have a chink in their armor: without a healthy offensive line (which they didn't have in this Giants game) Brady can't get that extra second he needs to "see" the field like he does so well. Actually, their defensive line was getting beaten up last night by the running game, so a heavy snow fall could mean the Pats can't simply out-score the opposition. My feeling is that if the Patriots get to the Superbowl, they'll utterly paste the opposition, whoever it is: in the fairer, calmer weather the passing game will open up, and Brady will do what he did in that Buffalo game: scoring TDs on almost every possession. Then even a great running game against the Patriots won't matter...
"What about the mystery call on the sidelines that went from a 15 yard penalty against the Patriots to a 15 yard call against the Giants? posted by kirkaracha at 11:00 AM CST on December 30" A Giants player did through a punch towards the Patriots number 31 on the sideline, although that Giants player WAS NOT number 81 who got called for the penalty (81 was standing near the guy that threw the punch at the Patriots player, but 81 never did anything but watch - if you watch the video from the back of the Giants bench, you will see a player to the left of 81 throw a punch at the Patriots player). The officials did miss calling a penalty on 31 from the Patriots for hitting the kick returner out of bounds, BUT I have seen that call NOT be made several time in Patriots game (a lot of them were on television this year) WHEN the penalty would have benefited the Patriots - so, it all evens out in the end. On the no penalty call on the OB hit, I have also seen that call NOT be made in a lot of games this year not involving the Patriots, officials seem reluctant to make the call when there is a scramble to tackle a player that almost broke a big run as was the case with the Giants kick returner.
Congrates to NE on a tremendous accomplishment. HOWEVER, they beat Indy when Indy was minus 9 of their 22 starters. And by the way Indy is the WORLD CHAMPS until beaten. I hope all of you keep forgetting about Indy because they are healthy now and are waiting in the wings like a shark with their mouth open. That said, I think they(NE) still is a great team and ought to be held in very high esteem. If a fan is going to make a comparision between Indy and NE I think the Ravins game is a good comparision. Indy totally dominated the Ravins and NE was lucky to get out with their proverbial lives. They are far and away the best two teams in the game today and if they meet each other along the way it will be another great game. They also have the best coaches in the NFL.
... if they lose now, it's a tragedy ... Say what? Surely you must recognize that many of us would love to see a giant-killer step up and kick Goliath's ass. They're becoming an extremely well-hated team.
I meant a tragedy for them & their (smug little) fans, not for anyone else. I should have been more clear. And sportnut, no one's forgotten about Indy. They've been mentioned a dozen times in this thread. And honestly, they're the team with the best remaining chance to beat the Patriots this year.
We can stop responding to him. He's done trolling, and I suspect he won't be back. WE? Did you just buy this site and tell all 15k members what to do? As far as the attacks, this post came first. Yeah, footballcrew, you're simply embarassing yourself at this point. Pathetic. you pretty much are a laughaby bitter fan of one of the other 29 teams spouting a lot of useless hot air. I responded to these attacks. Then you said, don't attack people because your opinion is challenged. Actually the opposite is happening. My opinion is different agree/disagree, like it/don't like it. Take a look back and see how many posts begin with, hey footballcrew---. Challenge my opinion all day, name calling is totally different. Troll, pathetic, a bitter fan spouting a lot of useless hot air, and even you respond with "weak". These types of personal comments useless bring about a personal response. If you re-read the thread you will discover these comments came before my "attacking" response. Careful Sportnut, you may be risking your account for mentioning the Ravens game.
"And sportnut, no one's forgotten about Indy. They've been mentioned a dozen times in this thread. And honestly, they're the team with the best remaining chance to beat the Patriots this year. posted by chicobangs at 1:45 PM CST on December 30" I think it is going to come down to those two teams. Both will have to be significantly off their game not to win through to the AFC championship game. The teams have the two best coaches in football, both coaches are good at making halftime adjustments. My guess is that a game between NE and Indy will boil down to how well the young Patriots offensive coordinator match up to the experienced, excellent offensive coordinator that the Colt have.
I responded to these attacks. Stop playing the martyr. You brought an extremely weak and poorly reasoned opinion here, but instead of backing it up with facts, you're just asserting the same dumb take over and over -- as if we didn't understand you the first time. Reread the new user guidelines and stop digging yourself a deeper hole.
Chico, Do you mean to say that, by your reasoning, I should stop reading the Lotto column in my local paper just because the numbers being picked in the next drawing have nothing to do with any of the numbers picked previously? If that's the case, MR. BANGS, then Mr. Lotto wouldn't be the mogul he is. He'd be writing a crappy syndicated column appealing to weak-minded idiots... wait, never mind...
people just dont want to accept miracles. they want to try to explain them. A Miracle? Can we lay off the hyperbole? There is no doubt that they are a great team and that this is a tremendous (if unfinished) achievement in the history of the NFL. But Miracle? A miracle is when a baby dying in a NICU ends up going home healthy. Or a six year old with Leukemia suddenly goes into remission for the rest of her life. That's a miracle. Not a football team winning all sixteen games. Also, a miracle usually presupposes some sort of divine intervention. If the Pats needed divine intervention, then that would mean that they aren't that good. Right? Anyway (as much as it pains me to say it) Congrats Pats.
They join the 85 Bears and 72 Dolphins as unforgettable teams, if they win it all. However, the 1996 Chicago Bulls were the best team in pro sports history. However, that record is being scrutinized now as the Celtics roll.
Are they becoming a well hated team because of their winning,or are they being hated out of jealously?Either way, you can't look past of what they've accomplished as a team,or the personal records that Brady and Moss broke. Somewhere down the line they'll be a team to break the record,a quarterback t to throw more TD passes,and another receiver to catch more TD passes.As a Pats fan,I'm going to enjoy the ride that we're on right now.Hopefully ending with a Super Bowl victory.
Surely you must recognize that many of us would love to see a giant-killer step up and kick Goliath's ass. They're becoming an extremely well-hated team. If I were to bet on a giant-killer it would be Jacksonville. Especially if the weather is bad, like it was in the Pats game against the Jets. They've got a strong running game and a tough defense. The question I have is how well they can play in the cold weather. And can they play 60 minutes? Something the Giants, Ravens, Eagles and Colts weren't able to do. Tom Brady did one thing that made me very happy tonight...when he gave his post-game on the field quick interview with the NFL Network he did not thank any deity and his first words in response to the question were "hard work." Yes. Can't say I'm a fan of him or his team. But that was complete class.
YOU LEAVE MISTER LOTTO ALONE! YOU BASTARDS! (I was just quoting Tom Stoppard. Don't shoot the messenger, you old coot.) Are they becoming a well hated team because of their winning,or are they being hated out of jealously? I can't speak for anyone else, but I hate them because of long-standing divisional rivalries between teams I have followed. Oh, and I've met more than a few of their fans who are kind of douchebags. Tom Brady is a smug prettyboy, but lord, it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way. (The lack of aggressive evangelism is also a plus, I gotta say.) And Bill Belichick is an asshole, but he delights in being an asshole, which I kind of respect. And of course, you can't argue with their results. (Or I guess you can, but you have to ignore huge pieces of reality.)
If I were to bet on a giant-killer it would be Jacksonville. Especially if the weather is bad, like it was in the Pats game against the Jets. They've got a strong running game and a tough defense. The question I have is how well they can play in the cold weather. The Jags showed how they could play in the cold up in Pittsburgh, where they completely steamrolled the Steelers during a snowstorm. They're the kind of team that can dominate a cold-weather playoff game, with monstrous running backs and a smashmouth attitude, but as a fan I am concerned about Brady and his receivers picking apart an underperforming secondary. I won't be making a stone cold lock if they meet in this year's playoffs.
It was a helluvagame to watch I must say that. Beyond my original "Bummer" comment let me expand on that....I hate the Pats. Always have and always will. I do have one legitimate question for those who are much more knowledgable in these matters. Please explain to me that how they were caught cheating and didn't have to forfeit the game? Really, I don't understand.
For the record, I'm with chico. Life-long Dolphins fan, so multiple reasons (AFC East and '72) to hate the Pats, but man... what they've accomplished is certainly the most impressive single-season team achievement I've ever seen in sports. Asterisk it, do whatever you want, but even with all the disclaimers it trumps any other single season in NFL history- probably even '72, if only because this year's Pats offense was such an unstoppable force. That said, they won't be more than a touchdown favorite against the Colts, and a loss in that game shouldn't shock anyone- as kokaku's link pointed out, 24 teams have outscored their regular season opponents by more than 2-1, but only 10 won it all.
"Please explain to me that how they were caught cheating and didn't have to forfeit the game? Really, I don't understand. posted by budman13 at 3:37 PM CST on December 30" The Patriot cameraman was removed within the first 5 minutes of the game with the Jets. That left 55 minutes of football that was played witout the camera person present. If the Patriots can "steal" all of the Jets signals in five minutes and use that information to win the game, heaven help the Jets. The game was won by the better team, there should be no forfeit.
It was a terrific game last night and the better team won. I admit I had my fingers crossed for the Giants (chico, "you leave Eli alone!" in my best chris crocker) ...becoming a well hated team because of ... Ghastly, it isn't so much hatred for the team, but the incessant gassing about them that started around week 5 of the season. You couldn't watch any game without the color guys slobbering all over themselves praising the Pats, it seemedwhat went on on the field was secondary. Like the Wolf says "Lets not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet", or something to that effect. At least that is my opinion, for what it is worth.
If the Patriots can "steal" all of the Jets signals in five minutes and use that information to win the game, Heaven help the Jets. There. Cleaned that up for you.
Thanks Cave Man.
someone give football crew the hug and attention he desperately craves so we can all get back to talking football in the real world. he is a hater, clinging to any hope that the pats might not be as good as their record implies. i felt the same way when troy aikman's cowboys knocked my 9ers out of the playoffs two strait in the 90's. in a few years he'll look back at this team and say "shit. i wish i had appreciated what i was seeing when it was happening, even though i do hate the team.
Nothing would be sweeter to me than to see someone, anyone knock off the Pats in the playoffs. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I am a bonafied Patriots hater! But..., history has been made and IF they do go all the way and IF they do win the Super Bowl (against my beloved Cowboys... he,he,he) then what will history have to say about it? THE 2007 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS, GREATEST TEAM EVER
Great season for the Patriots but I don't see 16-0 as particularly historic. Two more regular-season wins than the Dolphins team doesn't mean much in my book. In pro football, winning the Superbowl is what is remembered and is what counts. Regular-season? Pfft.
I don't see 16-0 as particularly historic What would be?
Yeah, what would be? There have been 34 Super Bowl champions since the last undefeated season. They give one of those trophies away every friggin' year, fergodsake. If you really want to deny that you've seen something special, that's fine. You're just wrong.
I don't see 16-0 as particularly historic What would be? 162-0. If the Red Sox lose a game next year, I am going to be pissed.
162-0. If the Red Sox lose a game next year, I am going to be pissed. I know this was said in jest, but man... if a Boston fan 10 years ago had set this as their bar for excellence, they'd have been laughed out of the room. Now everyone just hates them quietly, fearing it just might happen...
My. Well, this thread is reason #3 I'm glad I had to work today. Would it really be too much to ask of sports fans that they expend a little more energy on loving (or liking, or feeling a deep regard for, or what ever) their teams of choice than on hating some other team? Seems like there are an awful lot of people who have made sure to say at every opportunity how much they hate the Patriots. The NFL Network coverage has been over the top, but forgodsakes, that's not the Pats' fault, now is it? I mean, chico, you have discovered a fondness for the word "smug", haven't you? What's up with that? What's the factual basis -- or is this just a case of sour grapes?
162-0. If the Red Sox lose a game next year, I am going to be pissed. Hopefully April 1 at approximately 1 or 1:30 a.m. est (actually April 2 est) you'll be pissed after the A's beat them in their opener on the west coast. Not that I want you to be pissed, jerseygirl, but looking at the bright side, at least I'll be happy!
Oh, man. LBB, the reason I've gone out of my way to mention that I'm not a Patriots fan in this thread, and especially in the argument with the main troll in this thread, is to make sure it's clear that I'm not a lifelong Pats backer or even a fan, and so the props I give them for the amazing season they're having aren't the astroturf parrotings of some brainwashed dittohead (see: Bill Simmons, Bob Ryan, Jackie Macmullan, and much of the rest of the Bristol Bandwagonocracy). I ask that you read the thread again. I (and not just I) have come to praise the New England Patriots, not to bury them. As far as the use of the word "smug," well, the shoe largely fits. It's true that for most teams living through a protracted hot streak (let alone a historical one, like the Canadiens or the Yankees), some of the fans (specifically, the most vocal ones) will develop a sense of entitlement and superiority that is specifically designed to get under the skin of the fans of the opposing teams. I guess that makes sense in a lot of ways. But that doesn't mean it doesn't grate. It's not sour grapes -- I'd have to care about the NFL more than I do for that -- but I have a hard time staying quiet when I see someone writing checks their team's future can't cash. That's all. I'm sorry if it grated on you. That was not my intention. Once again, in case there is any ambiguity on this point: Congratulations to the Patriots. They are full value for all the glory they get this season. Any qualifications I may have put on that statement above, and any opinions I have about the karmic worthiness of the players or fans of the team, are niggling in comparison, and should in no way detract from the enormity of their great accomplishment. Peace?
lil brown bat: C'mon, tell me you don't hate the Cowboys, or the Yankees, or the Celtics, or Notre Dame, or insert your team here...________. Nobody hates Western Oklahoma A&M because nobody's heard of them and because their beloved team has never lost to them! "...a case of sour grapes?" Of course. Why would you expect anything else?
i hate the cowboys. i hate the yankees. i hate ohio state. when i was a teenager, and the boys and 9ers went toe to toe every year (most of them won by dallas) i had sour grapes. but now i appreciate (though still through blood colored glasses) the greatness of that dynasty. i like the pats. they arent my team, but i like the way they opperate. i like that they seem to be above the petty crap that erodes the greatness of this game. yes you can bring up spygate, and maybe even have a point, but tom brady didnt put the cameras up there. neither did teddy bruschi, or rodney harrison. they remind me of the days when montana, rice and lott would walk onto an opponents field and expect to win. not to show up anyone, or taunt them, but to win. it wasnt arrogant. it was just true. the pats have the same thing. i am glad i am mature enough now to appreciate the achivement that i am seeing.
As far as the use of the word "smug," well, the shoe largely fits. It's true that for most teams living through a protracted hot streak (let alone a historical one, like the Canadiens or the Yankees), some of the fans (specifically, the most vocal ones) will develop a sense of entitlement and superiority that is specifically designed to get under the skin of the fans of the opposing teams. Oh, absolutely -- and although you didn't qualify your earlier statement to apply to "some of the fans", I'm sure you meant it that way. Here's the thing, though -- when you said "(smug little) fans", it sounded rather bitter, like you didn't like the sight of fans who are simply happy that their team won, and needed to represent happiness as smugness. Also, I'm not sure how the adjective "smug" applies to Brady. If anything, he seems rather self-deprecating. He gives credit to other players and other parts of his organization, talks more about what he has to improve on than what he's done...yeah, he gets a lot of dates. Any unmarried NFL player can probably have all the dates he wants. I don't think that makes him a bad guy, though, or deserving of the adjective "smug".
I'm glad I got to see this bit of football history made, and in an entertaining manner as well. 16-0 represents excellence and it's eternal, a record that can only be tied. Several teams have won Super Bowls. How many have had undefeated regular seasons? Nobody should gripe about the Patriots being in a weak division. If that's true then they should roll over their divisional opponents like the 49ers used to. One component that goes into building a team is to create a group that will defeat your division (and ultimately playoff) rivals. No Patriots hate here, but I'll acknowledge some Randy Moss resentment, seeing what he can achieve when he doesn't dog it.
I'm not going to say it. I have told you all what is happening. Apocalyptic warnings should be heeded. Look to the east for beelzebub. Just don't look much further than Martha's Vinyard.
16-0 represents excellence and it's eternal Eternal? Let me tell you about the 2050 NFL regular season, my friend. 24 weeks long and the Super Bowl is played on the ultimate neutral site: The Moon. The New England Patriots (the name largely symbolic as most of New England is underwater), coached by the head of Bill Belichick, go undefeated, once again, in the regular season. But, once again, the season is marred by controversy as Belichick's head is caught using a telepath to steal the other team's plays. And once again, I (reluctantly) congratulate the Pats.
"Yeah, what would be? There have been 34 Super Bowl champions since the last undefeated season. They give one of those trophies away every friggin' year, fergodsake. If you really want to deny that you've seen something special, that's fine. You're just wrong." Whoever wins the Superbowl makes history. Each one of those 34 Superbowl victories is more important than any undefeated regular season. And I didn't say the Patriots season wasn't special. I think it was. I said not historic and not much more impressive than the undefeated Dolphins team. And I'm quite right about that.
I just need a second to gloat here. I grew up in Connecticut as a Patriots fan but have lived for 17 years in Hawaii (and unashamedly jumped on that bandwagon about half way through UH's season this year). Basically, as of today, I haven't seen a football team I cheer for lose since 2006. This will probably change in 2008, so I want to get my gloating in while I can. See, I figured 2004 was going to be the greatest sports year of my life (also a Red Sox fan), so I'm trying to revel in this before the Patriots turn in the 49ers. Know what I mean? Thank you. Goodnight.
"I'm not going to say it. I have told you all what is happening. Apocalyptic warnings should be heeded. Look to the east for beelzebub. Just don't look much further than Martha's Vinyard. posted by THX-1138 at 10:04 PM CST on December 30" Star Trek music is ringing in my ears over and over after reading your post. Mind helping a Sportsfilter Bro out by explaining what the hell you are writing about?
"I'm not going to say it. I have told you all what is happening. Apocalyptic warnings should be heeded. Look to the east for beelzebub. Just don't look much further than Martha's Vinyard." the signs of the appocylips have been happening for a while. we have elected and re-elected a guy to the presidency who cant pronounce nuclear. the red sox have won 2 world series. the miami heat have won a finals. jim carry has acted (and pretty well) in a couple of serious movies. the signs are there and if you are looking for beelzebub, look to the vice president.
"See, I figured 2004 was going to be the greatest sports year of my life (also a Red Sox fan), so I'm trying to revel in this before the Patriots turn in the 49ers. Know what I mean?" One has to wonder what would exist with the 49ers if Eddie DiBartolo(sp?) did not get mixed up in the casino gambling scheme that brought him down and landed the team in his sister's lap. Eddie ploughed money into the franchise to make it the best. Kraft is more conservative with his money, but the Patriots put money back into the franchise to make it what has become. Instead of hating the Patriots and the Colts (there are Colt haters also), fans of other team should hope that the ownership of their favorite team do the following; 1) Hire and retain a great coach and a great General Manager (prefably the coach and GM have worked closely toghether before being hired) that do not have Czar complexes, 2) Spend time studying the character of players that are drafted and brought in as free agents, hot shots in college may not have the goods to be come a pro in a team based system and some free agents that appear to have baggage may be competitors that have been misunderstood 3) Allow the coach to hire quality assistants and pay those assistants well enough to keep them around until a head coaching job offer comes their way.
I said not historic and not much more impressive than the undefeated Dolphins team. And I'm quite right about that. No you're not. It might not be impressive to you. You can shrug it off. But it the big picture, meaning outside of your personal opinion, it is most definitely a historic season. You compare it to the superbowl. If the steelers win the super bowl next year think they'll call it a historic victory? No, because it happens every year. Someone wins the super bowl. Part of history? Yes. Historic? No. An undefeated season doesn't happen every year. This was only the second. That makes it historic.
the signs of the appocylips have been happening for a while. we have elected and re-elected a guy to the presidency who cant pronounce nuclear. Is that suppose to be irony?
irony, stupidity, appathy, blame it on whatever you want.
justgary - The '34, and '42 Bears did it as well - but lost in the Championship game both times. And this coming from a Bears Fan . . . damn the post season . . . With regards to the Patriots - deepest congratulations on their regular season record - 3 more to go. As a Michigan Alum, I'm proud of Tom Brady's accomplishments thus far and wish him continued success.
The '34, and '42 Bears did it as well - but lost in the Championship game both times. And this coming from a Bears Fan . . . damn the post season . . . Sorry, should have stated since the super bowl era.
Kornheiser put it best, "never again do I want to hear the words uttered,' long suffering Boston fans'."
Never again do I want to hear the media telling another long-suffering-/turnaround-in-
Boston sports story because they're too lazy to come up with an original idea.
Seems like there are an awful lot of people who have made sure to say at every opportunity how much they hate the Patriots. I hate the Patriots, and have ever since they cheated to win against the Fins in New England back in 1982. What's that? The Pats? Cheating?! I know, it's hard to believe. So, no, I didn't start hating the Pats this year; I've had a hate-hate relationship with them for 25 years now. LBB, you've been a sports fan long enough, and a fan, coincidentally enough, of the Yankees and the Pats at the height of their recent successes; you should have developed a thicker skin by now, but you never seem to. Stop complaining about how uncomfortable the seat is when you're sitting on top of the world.
Anyone that knows anything about football knows you go through the season and have 3 games that season, that could go either way for you. As good a talent as the Pats are, it was no different for them. You still need to get lucky sometimes to get those games under your belt. Ravens, Philly, and Giants are those games. Still need to get their monkey off their backs, and win the rest of the way or it's all for not. I wish them luck, because there is a game plan out there now to beat them. Preasure on the QB, and run the ball on them on your turns with the ball. You can't shoot it out with those guys. And mistake free football, or you shoot yourself in the foot!
fans of other team should hope that the ownership of their favorite team do the following; 1) Hire and retain a great coach and a great General Manager (prefably the coach and GM have worked closely toghether before being hired) that do not have Czar complexes Some fans don't have that luxury.
Would it really be too much to ask of sports fans that they expend a little more energy on loving (or liking, or feeling a deep regard for, or what ever) their teams of choice than on hating some other team? Yes. Ain't nothing wrong with enjoying another team's defeat. The Patriots are on such a high pedestal now that there are only two stories left in the season, both of them memorable: They're going to go undefeated or somebody will shock the world and knock them off. That's great stuff, LBB, and it's driven in part by how obnoxious the Pats have become to those of us outside their fan base. There are times a team can be on top and still be a sympathetic favorite -- if Favre took the Packers to the bowl this year, they'd be one for sure. But that's not the Pats.
Would it really be too much to ask of sports fans that they expend a little more energy on loving (or liking, or feeling a deep regard for, or what ever) their teams of choice than on hating some other team? Maybe it's the fact I'm getting older, but I really don't find myself hating any other pro teams right now. I used to hate the Giants in football, but I found myself really appreciating the solid effort they put forth Saturday night. They could have sat everyone, ala Indy, but they laid it all out there in an effort to give their best performance, and it nearly threw a wrench in the Pats perfect regular season. There's no way I can hate that. I guess the closest I'd come to "hate" is the Red Sox, but I can appreciate some of their players and what they've accomplished. And I don't know how anyone can "hate" the Patriots. It's professional football, for God's sake! I want cockiness, attitude, and for the players and head coach to want nothing more than to win everything, and by large margins. I guess the hatred most fans feel towards other teams is based mainly on jealousy and nothing else. It's usually a case where their favorite team stinks and they feel they have to hate the teams that win. I guess it's normal, but some seem to take it way too far. For me, it's hate the uniform, not the ones wearing the uniform.
I think the way most people use hate isn't as awful as it sounds. You root for a team, they have a rival, and you want them to lose. That's part of sports. "The sox lost, so I hope the yankees lose. I hate them." But not in the true meaning of hate. And when it goes from enjoying the other team losing more than your own team winning, well, I don't really want to discuss sports with that person. Another annoyance is fans that are completely biased and unfair. Hate a team, but give them credit. Don't watch Papelbon pump his fist after the last out and say he's showboating and then tell me about Chamberlain's intensity when he does the same thing. Don't tell me Beckett is a jerk but Clemens is just very competitive (and it goes both ways). And I think when the hate goes over-board that's what happens. You can't discuss sports with a clear view. And in that way, you can hate a team too much (at least to have decent conversation with a fan of another team). /off topic
I also have 2 things to say about this game. Actually more than 2. 1. As a huge Pats fan, I was feeling really nervous throughout most of the game. I mean, that kick-off return for a TD. Where was the Pats defense? 2. I know that it was great of Moss and Brady to break their records. Congrats. 3. Wes Welker also broke a record. Where's his congrats? He aught the most passes in franchise history. And all he gets is just congrats to Moss and Brady? 4. What the heck was up with the referees? Why the heck would that penalty to Moss be fair. All he did was dance. And that penalty on the kick return was aainst the Giants. I thought that it was against the Pats.
I want to see a Pats, Packers Super Bowl - because it would be a killer story and a great way to end a particularly memorable season (certainly one of the more entertaining ones that I can remember). Also, because if the unimaginable happens and Favre wins, John Madden will spontaneously combust ("Boom! I'm dead.") and Pat Summeral will de-age 30 years and come back into the booth for another 2 decades armed with a bionic liver.
justgary: And when it goes from enjoying the other team losing more than your own team winning, well, I don't really want to discuss sports with that person. Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. Being around people like this, regardless of their team-o-choice, makes me feel yucky. Thanks, you said it very well.
Ten years from now I will have two memories of the Pats for their "perfect" season. The first will be all the money I won as Vegas couldn't get a handle on the over/under or the point spread for the first 10 weeks! The second will come from one of the few games I watched of the Pats: vs. the Bills on a Monday night, up by more than the National Debt, and I see Tom, Randy, and the O.C. on the sidelines going over the over-head pre-snap photos. Even when the game was completely out of reach for the Bills, those three were cooking up touchdowns in a 4th quarter meeting. It was like the score didn't count. Perfect execution of the next play was/is all that matters to them.
One has to wonder what would exist with the 49ers if Eddie DiBartolo(sp?) did not get mixed up in the casino gambling scheme As I remember (and I'm often faulty), they h
