My question is, why is it about twice a month, there is some negative thread about a black athlete on sportsfilter? Is there nothing else in the world of sports to talk about? I think its due to this type of forum being one of the weakest forms of self expression. People say things here that they would never say face to face. Its becoming more of a venting place for some weak minded individuals who hate the fact that they have to hold their tongue in public for fear of being dealt with accordingly. Look through the archives. Seriously, look through them. There are negative threads about blacks, whites, men, women, jews, christians, whatever. It's not a discussion about their race, or sex, or creed; it's a discussion about their actions. If you're simply searching for racism, sure, you'll find some (this is still a world where views arent perfect); but if you're actually searching for the root issue being discussed and where the majority (and not the few you might remember) are about, you'll find that's not at all the way things are here. Young black men will continue to dominate the world of sports, and young (and old) "NON" black men will continue to join sports forums to complain about it. Keep on hating, its making us stronger. After a few more Jerome Iginlas, we'll have the NHL too. Then all that will be left is driving cars in a circle real fast, that takes alot of athletic ability huh? Nice antagonism; seriously, if you're looking to make friends with us here (everyone, that is) and you're looking to improve things, perhaps slapping us in the face isn't the best way to do that? You'll find that perhaps there's a much better way to make your point than coming in and say "the white man is jealous of the black man". I mean, has that ever worked in the reverse for a white man trying to talk to a black man? Of course not. If you're looking to be inflammatory, or to stir things up, sorry, this isn't the place for that. The people who have made changes here have generally done so in a much more civil manner. Take heed of that.
Poor Maurice, you could have helped beat ND, and recieved a nice signing bonus as a first round pick now you need 50 grand for bail, sad, very sad.
You know something dfleming, im not actually looking to find "buddies" at a sports forum on the internet. We can agree or disagree. Its no big deal. But alot of times i say the things i do to draw the type of reaction i have gotten from you. Heres why. Scroll up and look at how my response to the racists was treated, and yet none of the so called spofi veterans responded to the initial racism that was expressed (the ghetto boy comment/welfare). Now you'll make a point to tell me a good way to "make friends" here, but the actual racism on this thread was kinda swept under the rug. I drew a 4 paragraph reaction to my post from you. And yet you made no comment at all about some of the racist things said about claret. You took what i said more personally because it was directed towards your race. Its the samething with me. You see, in a way, your doing the samething i am doing. You are responding to something you found somewhat offensive. Maybe your response isnt as aggressive as mine is, but how often to you find racist threads here towards whites? I make a few comments on 1 thread about whites, 5 people respond. 40% of the posts here have some sort of racial overtone to them towards blacks, 1 1/2 blackman responds and its borderline unacceptable. Which is worse? Me being offended and lashing out, or the racially biased comments like mentioning welfare or the word "boy" when referring to a black man? You responding to me makes me believe that you find me being offended more offensive than the racism that was displayed here towards african americans. Its almost like you're saying "we'll never be able to control racism by the whiteman towards blacks, but we'll damn sure try to control how a blackman displays his being offended". Whats your opinion on this comment? At least if he is in jail we can keep an eye on him, otherwise our tax money will be taking care of him in the form of welfare and he will be on the loose terrorizing innocent people who are trying to make an honest living Theres one more thing absent here. There is no other african american present on this thread offering you different options on "how to get along with us" or saying maybe you shouldnt have responded the way you did towards me. Or demanding that you "take heed". Do you see where im going with this at all?
yet none of the so called spofi veterans responded to the initial racism that was expressed Do we need to? The group consensus is once it's been called out once, that's more than enough attention. I think each of the racist comments got called out. You seem to want everything both ways.
There is no other african american present on this thread A more accurate statement: "There is nobody else in this thread announcing their ethnicity as loudly or confrontationally as I am." Just because you scream your ethnic makeup from the tallest hill, doesn't mean the rest of us do, too. You have no idea what the racial background of any of us is, you just assume you do. You've done nothing here for the cause of the black man in America. All you've done is troll around playing the race card at every opportunity.
RZA -- the Sam Kinison of debating.
I am black and a product of the same Ghetto that Clarett was from. Born and raised on the Southside of Youngstown, OH., even attended school in Columbus, OH. Clarett never left the ghetto he just moved into a bigger version of Youngstown. If you have never been there; DON'T TAKE IT THERE! You will never understand what it takes to survive. I don't excuse the actions that were expelled but they are understood. Society placed sport contenders, entertainers of music and show on pedestals. When they succeed in providing you with entertainment and a since of pleasure, all hail to the great one. When they become disappointments you're ready to burn them at the stake. Yeah, yeah, I know-if they choose to live the life of fame and fortune they choose to be some kind of role model for society and the youth that surrounds them. Whatever, on that dumb notion, I blame every parent, guardian and/or caretaker of today's youth for allowing them to embrace these individuals as role models. Show them that GOD is the SUPREME role model. If you don't believe in my GOD, show them a single mother with two kids, going to school and working full time, graduate with honors and move from the ghetto, later to be married, successful and a homeowner. Or a man who played the dope game for years only to realize that his next play will land him in jail or the grave, later to be married, very successful and a homeowner. When you leave the ghetto you should leave your ghetto fabulous lifestyle behind. To reiterate Clarett never left the ghetto or the lifestyle. Assumptions that success and money will change someone are made by those who lack integrity, it's a temporary covering that unveils the moment you lose yourself to the vultures that call themselves your fan-friend. My fan-friends motivate my drive to succeed in a life that is best for my family and me. Not for them to gain any worldly pleasure. I'm disappointed in Clarett because he let himself down and those that just wanted the world to see one success come from the GHETTOS of Y-Town. Don't get it twisted, there are a lot of us doing well outside the walls of Y-Town but our statue in society it not recognized by all to see; Only the most important ONE knows our trials and tribulations. Welfare or the lack of possiblities do not make someone lose their way and start robbing people. Clarett lossed himself and missed out on showing us all his full potential. He is still young I pray that he will grow from this and turn his life around.
As for the boy comments, just because you have met the required age in which society deems you an adult. It does not however justify your level of manhood. There are many black, white, hispanic, asian, and all the other ethnic backgrounds of the male population that I may consider a BOY. Any male that feels that they can play the role of and man and jump ship when they feel the lack of freedom and choice is a boy in my book. Taking the responsibility of arming yourself and others with wisdom, knowledge and respect, THAT'S A MAN. Clarett had chosen to be irresponsible. Choosing to leave boyhood and entering manhood is not respected by age but by development.
stolenangel: Excellent commentary!
Seconded.
Is thirded a word? If it is, then thirded.
StolenAgnel, well put Sister and God bless. "HE" indeed is real. Your testimony is proof of the Truth of the following; Mark (6:31)-(6:34) "Therefore take no thought saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and his Righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof". yerfatma, why would you post? Its hardly offensive to you. The_Black_Hand, you change my statement and then based your comments on what you changed it to, rather than what i actually posted. Since you felt the need to point out my inadequacies in regards to helping my race, why not share the things you have added that help the cause of the blackman in america? There is nobody else in this thread announcing their ethnicity as loudly or confrontationally as I am You see, there in lays the difference between the person that StolenAngel may represent vs. the person i represent (in some of your opinions). As long as someone from the ghetto rises above the tribulations of it, they may be acceptable to you. But someone like claret is unacceptable to you in the condition he may be in now. I got news for you, whether he is doing right or wrong, he is still the same person that needs the same God that we all need, and even more so than some of us who have become more successful. 1 mistake doesnt erase your chance at salvation on any level or what you yourselves deem as success or salvation. He may first of all not be guilty, secondly he may repent ( or have already repented) for what he has done. God may very well put him on top of the NFL. But all some of you will choose to see is the black man from the "ghetto" who stole someones cell phone. My point (no matter how confrontationally i come across) remains the same. Stop looking at what people are and start realizing what they can become. By doing so you may just help them become it. Or maybe thats not what some of you want.
My point (no matter how confrontationally i come across) remains the same. Sure doesn't look that way to me. It's about the black man, then it's about the ghetto, then it's about G O D. So what is your point, in 30 words or less?
LBB, im not trying to be sarcastic or anything. But if you've never been placed in a jail cell by 2 white policeman for something you didnt do, got your ass beat unconscious, sat there for 2 days not knowing what was going to happen to you. No phone call, no food, no water, clogged toilet, roaches and ants, no where to sit or laydown. Then police find out you're not black/spanish, you're italian , 10 minutes after they discover this, you get your phone call, medical attention, you get a warm meal and something to drink and you get released on your own recognizances only to have the charges dropped after you're proved innocent. You will never ever ever understand what my point is. And believe me when i say this, lucky you. If you've never had your own father, the man you respect and love and honor the most tell you to "de-nigger" before you come into my house from the time you were 8 yrs old until he passed away when you were 20, you will never understand or know my point. lucky you If you've never loved a woman/man so much that you would give your life just to spend 1 more day with them and for that you get called nigger lover over and over and over by the people who are suppose to be your family, you will never know or understand my point. Lucky you I dont fault you for not knowing or understanding my point but i do ask that you just maybe try alittle to understand why some people in this world may be a little angry. I'm not asking you to like it or accept it. Im just asking that you try to understand.
As you can see by this thread, you are not the only black person in SpoFi. There has been a huge growth in membership recently. As a result, tons of new people have dropped in to spout stupidity and foolishness on many threads. But, some of us don't bother responding to every new person who drops in to say something stupid. I hope you realize that the people who have been here awhile are not the ones spouting the racist rhetoric. As for Clarett, I get your point, we are all God's children and we shouldn't be judging others. However, this is a news story. And, anyone who has had to overcome any obstacles must realize that Clarett had the world at his feet with all his talent. Instead, he squandered it all away and is now charged with a felony. How many people who grew up with a similar background would do anything to have the opportunities that he has wasted? It is not racism to criticize him or any other athlete that does not appreciate the unique opportunity that they have.
Could you whine about how tough your life's been a little more? I can almost hear the violins playing in the background. Trace it, face it, erase it.
I dont fault you for not knowing or understanding my point but i do ask that you just maybe try alittle to understand why some people in this world may be a little angry. I'm not asking you to like it or accept it. Im just asking that you try to understand. I understand you just fine. What you don't seem to understand is that, as well as your personal experiences illustrate the pervasiveness of racism in our society (and also say a few things about rolling snake-eyes when it comes to picking your family, but you're not the only one who did that, so don't start), not everything that happens that involves black people is all about the racism, and not every white person (you presume; they're talking from behind a screen, remember?) who says a racist thing is speaking for other white people. What you also don't seem to understand is that racism isn't the only form of nasty and vicious discrimination out there. You have, in the past, replied to what you judged to be racism -- and which, in my opinion, was simply a disagreement with your POV -- with sexist and homophobic attacks, and now you call it "standing up for [your] race." If that's the kind of defense you feel that your race needs, I guess you're never gonna see why the rest of us are not joining in.
Its almost like you're saying "we'll never be able to control racism by the whiteman towards blacks, but we'll damn sure try to control how a blackman displays his being offended" No, what I'm saying is it's entirely fine to call a spade a spade if that's what it is, but it's entirely a different story coming in here and blatantly ignoring the fact that we point out the negative things that all popular athletes do, not just the black athletes. You only mentioned the 1-2 posts per month about blacks, you left out the dozen others about whites, or hispanics, or women (who could make the same argument); you're arguing on the basis that it's because they're black that we point it out, not because they did anything. That's not the case. You've had a hard life, you've seen a lot of racism; none of that is our fault, though, it's the fault of the individuals. Whites are not a group; I don't take orders to hate blacks because a few people do. SpoFi is not a group; I don't take orders from rcade to post negatively towards black athletes. Personal responsibility is the name of the game, each persons actions and comments are their own. Address them personally, but don't sit here and tell me that this site is targetting black athletes and expect me to agree with you. It's not. A few posters are, and are dealt with accordingly. I dont fault you for not knowing or understanding my point but i do ask that you just maybe try alittle to understand why some people in this world may be a little angry. I'm not asking you to like it or accept it. Im just asking that you try to understand. How, exactly, is you coming in here angry going to solve anything? It's a lot easier to understand if you act in a way that's understandable.
Could you whine about how tough your life's been a little more? I can almost hear the violins playing in the background A more accurate statement: Who gives a shit nigger, screw you and whatever you've been through. People like you are not important to the make-up here. And no-1 cares. The _black_hand, i certainly wasnt looking for compassion from the likes of you. Something offends you and it should be addressed with all manner of seriousness. You have no idea who i am or what i've seen or been through, and yet you basically say "screw you, get over it". Thats cool, i wasnt really looking for a pat on the back. I merely felt maybe an explanation was in order. The sad thing about people like you is, one day you will try to get someone to understand why you are the way you are, or why you express yourself the way you do. Unfortunately, when that time comes, you will receive the same lack of acceptance and or understanding as you have chosen to display here to me. Then you will sit and wonder, in that small mind of yours, why someone like you never ends up happy. When you sew the wind, you WILL reap the whirlwind. Its just a matter of time. Reap it. you're arguing on the basis that it's because they're black that we point it out dfleming, i dont expect the majority of your little group of "WE" to understand anything. Again i was responding to 1 person asking what my point was. All i offered to that one person was the thought of atleast trying to understand why i make my points the way i do. It's a lot easier to understand if you act in a way that's understandable. A more accurate statement: Its alot easier to accept if you act in a way thats acceptable to "US". Lets not fool anyone, you understand exactly how i act, and you dont like it at all. What you dont understand is why. You dont want to understand, and you never will. Will your refusal of understanding why force me to "act" in a way thats acceptable to you. Never. How is you coming in here being narrow-minded and self righteous with this "act how we think you should act" going to solve anything? www.boingboing.net
A more accurate statement: Who gives a shit nigger, screw you and whatever you've been through. People like you are not important to the make-up here. And no-1 cares. Well if that is what you want, then who gives a shit nigger, screw you and whatever you've been through. People like you are not important to the make-up here. And no-1 cares. Your always talking about what you've been through so tell us, what has happened in your life plagued by the idocy of white people. And just for the record, my dad used to be very poor and got shot in medical school. Now he is an orthopedic surgeon. So RZA, there are other people who have been thorugh some rough shit too, so give us a break.
You're sissy ass is somewhat excused because you're a perfect example of a 15 yr old kid whos had or going to have everything handed to him and you've been taught nothing more than to disrespect adults. Your father should have whipped your ass for the mouth you have on you. You have no idea what context that was written in because your reading only bits and pieces of whats being written. But you being a little punk is not going to be a good enough excuse for long. And you are one of the white kids im talking about, i mean "ying yang mafia"? Please. This time you've stuck your nose in a little to far punk. Dont type things you wouldnt say face to face. I think its best for you to stay in a childs place. I have never talked about what i've been through until now in a context to which you do not understand. But you were looking to share your true feelings anyway. I'd love to teach you the things your father has failed to, starting with slapping you right in your mouth. Stop looking for a "way to go kid", or a "you told him dude" when it comes to things that are above your understanding. This is no time for you to try to get "some love from the homies" because your father is failing to show you any. I should slap your father for letting you think your ass is grown, ya damn wannabe yingyang fake eminem. But he's only to blame for letting you be raised by cable TV. Thats why your sideways hat wearing punk ass thinks hes down. Continue watching cribs, while you run up daddys credit card bill loading your ipod with eminem and offspring music. You're pretty fly for a white guy, right? Now lets watch and see which dumbass positively reinforces your ignorantly learned behavior.
Not it.
Two points: 1) RZA, I feel badly for what happened in your past, but you've heard the saying, "We've all got a cross to bear," right? Could you take the flashing neon sign and police sirens off yours? 2) Pantheon, I think we've reached a point where the Banhammer should be considered. Serious or not, talking about physically assaulting another member means it's time for someone to be given their ball and told to go home.
Oh come on. I don't think there was a whole lot of intent in that comment.
I disagree too frazer, I even had to go back and look to see what the heck you were talking about. Me thinks RZA is gonna have a field day with that post.
You seem to have a lot of built up aggression RZA. Now I want you to do this one little thing for me. Breath in deep through your nose and back out slowly through your mouth. Now don't you feel better? I have worked for every single thing that I have. No one ever gave me one single thing except for love. I grew up dirt poor, not in a city but in the country. Does that make me better off than you? No. I don't think so. I was raised on Government cheese and powdered milk and felt the embarrassment of watching my mom buy groceries with food stamps. If you've never had your own father, the man you respect and love and honor the most tell you to "de-nigger" before you come into my house from the time you were 8 yrs old until he passed away when you were 20, you will never understand or know my point. lucky you Do you ever think just once, that your father might have been trying to teach you to have some respect for yourself and for others? I am not criticizing you or anything that you have said here. I am just saying that you seem very angry. Life sucks. You appeard to be upset that people do not know where you come from. Well I believe that every single person is guilty of that. Just look at what you said to Ying Yang Mafia. You don't know him from Adam, yet you decide to spout off about his upbringing and you don't know a thing about him. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Just because someone says something that rubs you the wrong way, be the bigger man and don't give them what they are looking for, don't give them a reaction. Learn from Martin Luther King Jr.
Where does it stop? Is it okay if I say we should get a few guys together for a tire-iron party and beat some sense into RZA? How do you know whether I mean it or not? And if the level of discourse from someone falls to the level of physical threats, why allow it to go on?
I thought this thread was about Maurice Clarett and the trouble he caused.
"I thought this thread was about Maurice Clarett and the trouble he caused. It " was "
