FanDuel - WFBC

October 28, 2005

WS Ratings suck! Thank you, FOX!: Ouch! Was FOX partly to blame for the abyssmal ratings or the two teams competing? You would think the Series would be more compelling considering the history of the two teams, but I guess not.

posted by willthrill72 to baseball at 10:01 AM - 99 comments

I felt like complaining about the late start times, but the 14-inning game had a peak audience in the ninth, which was midnight Eastern. So that wasn't the culprit. Part of the decline comes from the lack of Red Sox fever this year. The White Sox are a lower draw even in their home town. Had it been the Cubs, we might have seen higher ratings. No doubt marketing and positioning have an impact, but it's hard to gauge. Personally, I wouldn't wait until Saturday for Game 1 of the World Series, but that's a baseball fan's opinion, not a TV planner's.

posted by werty at 10:28 AM on October 28

both teams were in centrael time also and the cub fans wouldnt dare watch the sox play

posted by barry from h-town at 10:32 AM on October 28

The only charismatic person on either team spent his time in the dugout. It's the same deal in the NBA. The Spurs and Pistons, two of the most (apparently) lifeless teams managed a 30% hit to NBA Finals ratings.

posted by charlatan at 10:34 AM on October 28

Well, what do the SpoFites say? If you didn't watch (but you might have watched another year), why? I watched 'em whenever I was near a tee vee, myself. But I wasn't revved about the start times.

posted by lil_brown_bat at 10:46 AM on October 28

The ratings would have been better if they started the games earlier in the evening. Fox has got to realize that you aint going to have the Yankees or Red Sox in the series every year.

posted by daddisamm at 11:11 AM on October 28

Network ratings have been declining for a long time and perhaps WS ratings are just following that trend. That said - Fox's coverage, IMO, continues to be dismal. The cross-marketing, inane interviews & pointless graphics take much away from the game. The Betting Fool, a columnist in the San Francisco Chronicle, had this to say regarding the "Foxification" of sports: "How did they (Fox) know that I'd tune in so that I could watch them interview the Houston pitching coach. All my life I wanted to hear Joe Buck and Tim McCarver interview a coach while Joe Crede hit the game winning HR in a shrunken image on the upper right corner of my screen. Heck, if I'd wanted to watch the game I would have turned on the radio and stared at the dial" and "Stop interviewing players and coaches during the game. It's a hideous distraction and never adds anything." Amen.

posted by JohnSFO at 11:28 AM on October 28

i didn't watch much because i can't stand FOX's coverage of the world series. actually i can't stand their coverage of baseball in general. if the yanks are the saturday game i turn the sound down, put the radio on and deal with the delay. the time is an issue partly because the game doesn't actually start at 8pm. i turned it on at 8:30 one night and they didn't even do the national anthem yet.

posted by goddam at 11:31 AM on October 28

Start time was the big issue for me. Get the game going at about 7 and they might hook enough people to not switch over to prime time shows. I love baseball but the ChiSox and Astros aren't my teams so getting enough sleep was a higher priority. However, I did tune into the end of game 4 to see the Sox end their drought.

posted by kokaku at 11:35 AM on October 28

To fix this problem I suggest this format: Red Sox vs. Yankees --- 7 game series The teams with the 2 best records from the rest of baseball ---- 7 game series Winners of each play and problem solved. At least w/ this format your going to get a team (redsox or yankees) with a huge nationwide following and the other team, well who really cares about the other team.

posted by pasdpildoc at 11:46 AM on October 28

I can barely stand McCarver when he's announcing for a team I have an interest in. Plus, time was a factor. I mostly clicked in and out of the game to check the scores and read about it the next day. I don't understand. Most people absolutely hate McCarver. Why is he still on?

posted by jerseygirl at 11:50 AM on October 28

Could be worse...we could get Joe Morgan

posted by willthrill72 at 11:55 AM on October 28

Actually, that's like choosing between a painful death and a really painful death.

posted by willthrill72 at 11:58 AM on October 28

I watched the series, it was pretty decent and it went by nice and quickly once it spooled up on the Tivo some. And the added bonus of that is that I don't have to listen to the crappy play by play. And I would have been alot more interested if I cared about either of the teams playing at all. My strongest emotion toward either team is disliking Roger Clemens immensely, not much to hang a World Series on.

posted by fenriq at 12:02 PM on October 28

>>Could be worse...we could get Joe Morgan As bad as Morgan is (and he's baaaad), at least there's Jon Miller to kinda balance things out. With McCarver, we get Joe Buck... Ugh. When does Fox's WS coverage contract end?

posted by JohnSFO at 12:05 PM on October 28

the world series was great huh guys!

posted by jsmart83 at 12:13 PM on October 28

the world series was great huh guys!

posted by jsmart83 at 12:13 PM on October 28

When the bases were loaded and it was tied (Game 3, I think) I kept waiting for McCarver to say "a walk is as good as a homerun" and he didn't say it...I felt cheated. Fox's game coverage was fucking clunky.

posted by chris2sy at 12:18 PM on October 28

Could be worse...we could get Joe Morgan Man, when I got sick of McCarver, I tried to tune the game in via the radio and guess what? It was the ESPN feed with Joe freakin' Morgan! Ah! I couldn't win for losin'. That said, I watched the entire series and it was the closest sweep ever. I mean, those games were razor thin close. I thought ratings wouldn't be too bad since Chicago is the third most populated city in American and Houston is either number four or five. I also thought that all of Texas would be watching. Guess I was wrong though. I suck.

posted by NoMich at 12:31 PM on October 28

"in American"? See, I told you that I suck.

posted by NoMich at 12:32 PM on October 28

Baseball fans have outgrown McCarver. Is he tenured or something? Jeeze Fox can we get some new blood in the box? This series had two very boring teams period. Yeah pitching fans had a dream but no power players, no true superstars-- boring.

posted by mikemora at 12:46 PM on October 28

Speak for yourself, mikemora. I thoroughly enjoyed the series, and I'm not even sure that you and I watched the same show if you thought it was boring. You were watching, right? You wouldn't be one of those people to dismiss it as "boring" without even watching it, would you?

posted by lil_brown_bat at 12:52 PM on October 28

Maybe OLN will get the WS and we could have Bill Clement & Sam Rosen doing the broadcasts.

posted by willthrill72 at 12:58 PM on October 28

Good ol' Bill Clement. I like how he is everywhere and always doing a bang-up job. Seriously, I like Bill Clement.

posted by NoMich at 01:02 PM on October 28

The games got the highest ratings in primetime for those nights. People don't watch broadcast TV in the numbers they used to. There's a bunch of other choices on and off TV.

posted by rcade at 01:03 PM on October 28

If the Red Sox hadn't won last year, I'm pretty sure the excitement level for the White Sox being in the World Series would have been higher. But when you release a (less-popular) sequel the year after the original, what do you expect? I didn't find the games boring. I found the broadcasting to be annoying (I hate the "let's talk to the managers" feature). It's really hard to not enjoy a game in HD, but surround-sound of McCarver or Lyons does seem to bother me. If I had TiVo, I'd probably enjoy it more (get through the ads and back to the game). BTW: that's now 8 different teams have made the World Series in the last 4 years. Parity!

posted by grum@work at 01:05 PM on October 28

I'll take McCarver over Joe Buck any day. How do I hate thee, Buck? Let me count the ways. * Never shuts up. NEVER SHUTS UP! * Calls the game on behalf of the ignoramus that just tuned in 10 minutes ago and has no clue what's going on in the series. After almost every commercial break, Buck yammers on about events we've already witnessed and digested. We've been watching the games, Joe, and if we haven't, then we probably don't really care! * Constantly tries to coin asinine sayings and catchphrases. One horrible example came in the ALDS when discussing Piniella's outbursts - in the middle of a funny discussion between Lou and McCarver, Buck blurts out "The Temper from Tampa!" Uh, he just quit that job, jackass. * Got his job through nepotism, like that annoying Jeremy Schaap. * Blond highlights and glasses that are probably just for fashion purposes. * Worst of all, Buck constantly, endlessly speculates. What different moves could the manager make here? If something had gone differently two innings ago, what would be happening right now? If this player hadn't been called out, might this run have scored, and then would this pitcher instead of that pitcher be in the game, blah blah blah. Who cares??? If you're not calling the game, shut the hell up. The game = the events on the field. Period.

posted by Venicemenace at 01:12 PM on October 28

It was an exciting series to watch.

posted by daddisamm at 01:24 PM on October 28

I don't care so much about the low ratings. Maybe Fox will pass come contract renewal time and some lesser network will take a stab at it. Couldn't be much worse.

posted by cl at 01:27 PM on October 28

Its bad enough interviewing the manager & coaches during the game, but miking up the players is downright stupid. Does anybody really believe that these guys would talk like that if there wasn't a mike on them? And yes....how the heck does McCarver hang on year after year?

posted by Bury Bonds at 01:31 PM on October 28

I watched as much of the games as I could in my time zone (Hawaii). Thus, I saw nearly all of Game 3 and only some of the rest. Game 3, though, was one of the best ever, in my opinion. Even then, there were times I turned off the sound so that I wouldn't have to hear McCarver interview the dudes who groom the field..

posted by Joey Michaels at 01:35 PM on October 28

I watched the series. But I can watch any baseball. Little league, high school, doesn't matter. I thought the series was great. I'm with LBB. I don't know how you can be a baseball fan and not think it was fun to watch.

posted by justgary at 01:38 PM on October 28

Hey guys- you keep bitchin about McCarver and everything- but you have never listened to Micheal Kay commentary- have you? He's the WORST ANNOUNCER EVER!!!

posted by redsoxrgay at 01:42 PM on October 28

At least there was no televised eioting,as there would be in other towns. And a sweet good-by to mets mouth tim.

posted by Joe Veltri at 01:45 PM on October 28

I found the games I watched to be exciting even though I didn'care much for either team. The thing with McCarver and Buck (as well as most sports announcers in general) is they don't know when to shut up. It's as if silence is forbidden and every possible second of airtime must be filled - damned be the content. It makes me quite angry :)

posted by JohnSFO at 01:48 PM on October 28

The coverage sucked but I would watch in spite of that. I don't think I made it to the end of a single game, though; first pitch at 9:30 pm here in the Atlantic time zone!

posted by Amateur at 01:52 PM on October 28

Although I always love the Series, I thought the coverage was about average this year.. The lack of ratings stems from the teams involved in the playoffs. The Yankees, Cubs, Cards... they're all huge draws. Nightmare for Fox would be if Toronto.. or Pittsburgh.. or Milwaukee made it to the series. They'd be better off showing Family Guy repeats.

posted by MentorTormentor at 02:01 PM on October 28

Good games, poor coverage, disinterested audience. 'Nuff said!

posted by slackerman at 02:02 PM on October 28

Excellent playoff games. I am a huge Astros fan, though I was disappointed with my team's faring in the WS...at any rate, I would have stayed tuned with any two teams that played games as close as these were.

posted by Becca at 02:10 PM on October 28

Nightmare for Fox would be if Toronto.. or Pittsburgh.. or Milwaukee made it to the series. They'd be better off showing Family Guy repeats. You make it sound as if FOX wouldn't be better replacing its entire schedule and just running FG, American Dad and The Simpsons. And bring back "Herman's Head", you bastards!

posted by wfrazerjr at 02:42 PM on October 28

It appears there are some things we can all agree on: congrats to the White Sox and the Astros on winning their League Championships; congrats to the Pale Hose on winning the Pennant; and congrats to Fox for fucking up yet another World Series.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 03:02 PM on October 28

Herman's Head rocked!!!

posted by Becca at 03:37 PM on October 28

I'd take Morgan over McCarver anyday. Morgan eschews an old school, dated philosophy about baseball. Tim McCarver eschews the same logic as a recently blinded monkey after a security-free night at the Old Millwaukee Brewery. Morgan has the venerable Miller to balance the inanities. Tim McCarver kills household plants because he niether intakes oxygen nor expels Carbon Dioxide - because he is actually dead and is too stupid to acknowledge it. Morgan is short, black and Southern - so his story is at least interesting and he played on some really cool teams. Tim McCarver is actually responsible for inducing the mania in me that cost those 3 unfortuante hookers their lives during the ALCS. Support the Put Tim McCarver to Sleep Campaign and help make baseball broadcasts tolerable again. Tell ya what - you can bury Joe Buck with him - like the Egyptians kings did to their favorite slaves.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 03:47 PM on October 28

Where can I get the bumper sticker?

posted by willthrill72 at 03:54 PM on October 28

No one cares at all that the White Sox won the World Series. Baseball in this day and age is all the Yankees and Red Sox. Big money markets. It's a shame that this great game has come to this point. Money talks instead of talent. The lowest tv ratings of all time...

posted by bobbyj1953 at 04:44 PM on October 28

Joe Buck is at the problem. He thought he was going to be able to give a biased commentary of the series with his Cardinals in the series. When that didn't happen we all had to put up with his more than usual boring voice.

posted by INOALOSER at 04:54 PM on October 28

Part of the problem is the Sox were a bad draw period. In the Central Division,especially in Cleveland,nobody wanted tickets to see them play all season.Only the last 4 sold out games, when Cleveland had a chance at the playoffs, games did anyone CARE.

posted by sleeper57 at 04:55 PM on October 28

Is Cleveland in the United States?

posted by INOALOSER at 05:06 PM on October 28

i dont watch baseball but i notice the yankees r dyin you could put anyone on the yankees now i think they ve cursed

posted by defrag3x at 05:19 PM on October 28

Pitching wins games but hitting draws viewers

posted by texoma-slim at 05:32 PM on October 28

FOX's coverage was pretty horrendous. Why are they constantly giving recaps during live play? My personal pet peeve is the graphic in the bottom right of the screen they use to display who's on base, in the box, and on the mound. We can see who is at bat and who is pitching, who cares who's on base! I want to know who's on deck and who's in the hole. < /rant> I'm off to exhume the remains of Abbott and Costello.

posted by lilnemo at 05:33 PM on October 28

i dont watch baseball but i notice the yankees r dyin Yeahwell, I don't watch football but I'm picking the 49ers to win the whole thing. So there.

posted by lil_brown_bat at 05:53 PM on October 28

Hey inoaloser where you from Uranus or is that ( Your anus)????

posted by bobbyj1953 at 06:12 PM on October 28

Wow. There are three "Herman's Head" fans in the universe and we all read SpoFi.

posted by Joey Michaels at 06:22 PM on October 28

I watched herman's head mostly because I thought the blond girl was cute. Not sure if that counts. I was young.

posted by justgary at 06:33 PM on October 28

Rem Dawg should broadcast the next WS! Big audience guaranteed!

posted by zippinglou at 07:45 PM on October 28

Hey bobbyj1953 are you from Cleveland?

posted by INOALOSER at 08:06 PM on October 28

lou, if the nation every got a hold of Remy and/or The Eck, we'd never get them back. Funny, interesting and good at their jobs; how would people adjust?

posted by yerfatma at 08:24 PM on October 28

don't be an idiot! The only team that draws ratings is the NY Yankees! Period! The New York vs Boston ALCS was watched by more people than the World Series last year!

posted by bluekarma at 08:24 PM on October 28

The only team that draws ratings is the NY Yankees! Period! Since 2002, the Yankees led the league in road attendance, but this year they were edged by the Boston Red Sox. Boston led MLB with an average of 37,735 per road game while the Yankees finished with an average of 37,036. (the sox were helped by the yankees big park/their small park, but still impressive) WS 04 Red Sox/Cardinals 15.8 rating 25 share WS 03 Marlins/Yankees 13.9 rating 25 share WS 02 Angels/Giants 11.9 rating 20 share WS 01 Yankees/Diamondbacks 15.7 rating 25 share WS 00 Yankees/Mets 12.4 rating 21 share Wow, red sox/cardinals did better than any ws since 2000 (three of those including the yankees). Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion bluekarma.

posted by justgary at 09:24 PM on October 28

Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion bluekarma.
bluekarma got pwned!

posted by zippinglou at 11:13 PM on October 28

Who cares? Ratings matter to a total of like 4 people.

posted by panoptican at 11:44 PM on October 28

1) Start the night game at 7:05. and weekend games start at 1:05 2) .... 3) Profit!!! Personally I would pay extra for a well-directed game with no announcer and a bare minimum of screen graphics. I watched the games this year on FOX, but listened to the XM broadcast. You have to pause the game for about 50 seconds to sync them, but it was worth it. Still, so many times the director is showing some fan or silly-ass graphic instead of the action. Herman's Head #4

posted by ?! at 11:48 PM on October 28

Yeah, I don't think the teams were super exciting this year, and I think ratings are a little deceiving. The games really need to start earlier. The commentating was boring as Hell. I was watching a tape of the last game of the 1984 World Series (on tape because I wasn't alive in '84), and I remember the commentator (must've been Ernie right?) would say periodically, "Wow, just listen to the sounds of the game." And they would just shut up for a couple minutes. It was cool. It was also cool because the Tigers won. I'm a Cubs fan anyway, but I really liked Chip Caray and his partner before they were split up. They got excited about baseball whether it was the Cubs or the other team making a good play.

posted by saint_eagle24 at 12:14 AM on October 29

i blame the teams themselves. this was one of the worst series i have ever seen. how do you have bases loded and 1 out and not manage a run 2 or 3 times in every game? the astros should've won game 3, 4 times before blowing it in the 92nd inning. you can blame mccarver or fox, or starting times, and all of those complaints are legitimate, but a well played series can survive any of those things. this was a wood shead ass woopin of a mediocre team by an only slightly better than average team. no commentary, at any time of day, on any network, by any team, in any market can survive flat out bad baseball in the fall classic. all in favor of cardinals vs. yankees or red sox next year say aye!

posted by elijahin24 at 02:32 AM on October 29

Cardinals vs. Yankees or Red Sox? You've got to be kidding. The hitless wonders from Houston kicked the Cards tails, the White Sox demolished Boston, and the Yankees weren't good enough to get a chance at the Sox. The best teams were in the series, the way it's supposed to be. Unfortunately, one of the biggest reasons the ratings weren't good has to be blamed on the media. While the White Sox were posting the best record in the American League, all you heard was "Yankees" and "Red Sox". C'mon, where are the real baseball fans that want to see the World Series between the two BEST teams. (p.s. the coverage did kind of suck though).

posted by OldDawg'44 at 03:10 AM on October 29

The WS ratings sucked because of the 4 game sweep, and the late start times. I am a die-hard White Sox fan, but I have a job where I have to get up very early. I watched the entire game on Saturday and Wednesday, and half of the Sunday and Tuesday games. Gotta make a livin'. If your team is in the WS, and more importantly wins the WS, you feel it was the best WS ever, and why didn't everyone watch it. If your team isn't in the WS, you just want good games, close games, run scoring games. Blow outs and sweeps don't attract viewers in any sport, unless your team is the one kicking ass. A sweep in the WS was only sweet for White Sox fans. Low scoring games, pitching duels are only attractive to the winning team's fans, and of course the baseball purist. Which, by the way, wants the pitcher to keep batting in the order, which holds down on scoring runs. East coast fans have always been arrogant in their stance of their sports teams (amoung other things which I won't touch here). Other parts of the country can kick your ass, and we do it quite often. You can revel in a good year, but obviously, not this year huh Yankees and Red Sox fans?

posted by Shoalbaby at 06:52 AM on October 29

You mean, there was as World Series this year and I missed it, when was it on?

posted by red_kal_el at 07:53 AM on October 29

You mean, there was a World Series this year and I missed it, when was it on? Who played and who won?

posted by red_kal_el at 07:55 AM on October 29

One problem the World Series has had the past two years is the inconsistent, poor teams that make up the National League. The teams are all vanilla, and stir up no emotion whatsoever in most of the country. True baseball fans will always watch, but the average sports fan will only tune in if they don't have anything else going on, and when 10 o'clock P.M. rolls around and it's the bottom of the second, MANY, MANY people will turn it off and get a good night's sleep. But the National League is just flat-out poor. Just look at the different teams in their divisions and any of them would be long shots against most upper-division AL teams. And the only NL team that seems to get a National sentiment is the Cubs, and they're a horrible, embarrassing excuse for a team (even though I still find myself watching them quite a bit throughout the season on WGN). The bottom line is, I watch baseball because I love baseball. True, hardcore baseball fans these days don't number enough to draw great ratings for a subpar series and can't compete with the "Desparate Houseskanks" (etc.) competition.

posted by dyams at 08:27 AM on October 29

You can revel in a good year, but obviously, not this year huh Yankees and Red Sox fans? WTF are you talking about? I'm a die-hard Red Sox fan and I enjoyed both this Red Sox season and this year's World Series/ playoffs (other than the Red Sox early exit). My only problem with the Series was the late start times; 8pm is bad enough, but tuning in at 8 and getting that odious Fox pre-game show instead is awful. At least start the pre-game report and any on-field festivities (including the anthem) so the real game starts at 8, please. Just because the media is on this Sox/ Yanks bandwagon since 2003 doesn't mean fans of either team are as arrogant as all that. For example, I miyself could care less if the Yankees are ever in the playoffs again. See? Equitable.

posted by yerfatma at 08:48 AM on October 29

there was only one reason i can think of people not watching the world series because it was a very exicting world series. Joe Buck

posted by whitesox_20_05 at 08:49 AM on October 29

morgan and mccarver provide good commentary for knowledgeable baseball fans. morgan is in the hal of fame and mccarver also has world series rings and spent much of his career catching two of the greatest pitchers in the history of the game in gibson and carlton. thwn major league players fail to do their job in the field or at the plat(get down sac bunt or hit a cut off man to keep runner out otf scoring position) they should be held accountable. the announcer should point this out and good teams are ones which limit these failures. not liking announcers who take issue with these failures is akin to not understanding why some teams win and lose. i understand the 8:30 start time allows for 5:30 viewing on the west coast but i think they are losing more viewers in the east by doing this. these late start times coupled with two teams without a great playoff tradition (yankees, red sox, cardinals, dodgers, etc.) probably has the most to do with lower ratings. enjoy morgan and mccarver while you can, their comments are excellent and if you pay attention you might learn something from two guys with 4-5 thousand actual major league games under their belts!!!

posted by professorc at 09:02 AM on October 29

All this talk regarding dislike for Joe Buck and Tim McCarver! I don't like either one of them, so that's why I either listen to the radio broadcast of the game, or turn the TV volume down and listen to good music instead. I think I've watched and played enough baseball over my years that I don't have to listen to either of their stupid comments/conversations to gain any monumental insights, and definitely don't need some stupid talking animated baseball telling me about a fastball or something like that. Stop torturing youselves and listen to something else!

posted by dyams at 09:05 AM on October 29

Joe Buck will never be his dad. But for the life of me why would anyone watch and the key word being watch a game and want anyone to tell him what he's seeing? I turn down the sound and enjoy the game. Most of the announcers are bafoons.

posted by budman13 at 09:15 AM on October 29

red sox fever your ass it was because the yankees weren't playing

posted by FrankySP at 10:17 AM on October 29

I like Buck's work. He doesn't call too much attention to himself and relates the events on the field reasonably competently. He's also good on football games paired with Troy Aikman.

posted by rcade at 10:38 AM on October 29

Most of the announcers are bafoons. I still stand by my wish that Dan Shulman and Buck Martinez be hired to broadcast the World Series games. The couple of years they did local Blue Jays games were the best games on TV (even when the Jays sucked). I'm envious of you people that get to listen to ESPN radio broadcasts with them. morgan is in the hal of fame and mccarver also has world series rings and spent much of his career catching two of the greatest pitchers in the history of the game in gibson and carlton. And that has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to be commentators during a baseball game. Ernie Harwell and Vin Scully have a grand total of zero games of MLB playing experience, and they are/were excellent commentators. Dan Shulman has never played in a MLB game and he's a better choice than McCarver or Morgan. Buck Martinez can't hold a candle to Morgan or McCarver in terms of MLB career accomplishments, but he's a hell of a better person to have talk about the goings-on during a baseball game.

posted by grum@work at 10:40 AM on October 29

Hey guys- you keep bitchin about McCarver and everything- but you have never listened to Micheal Kay commentary- have you? He's the WORST ANNOUNCER EVER!!! yes he is. i would rather listen to john sterling and suzyn waldman spit out broadway lyrics on wcbs than michael kay on yes. and those guys suck too. the yankees only good broadcasters are jim kaat, bobby murcer, paul o'neill and ken singleton. Im gonna give professorc some props. I can vaguely remember a time when people thought tim mccarver was the best in the business, but he obviously isnt anymore. I think Morgan is pretty smart though. I dont mind Buck either. But Tim McCarver i think lost his game a while ago. If your team is in the WS, and more importantly wins the WS, you feel it was the best WS ever, and why didn't everyone watch it. If your team isn't in the WS, you just want good games, close games, run scoring games. Blow outs and sweeps don't attract viewers in any sport, unless your team is the one kicking ass. A sweep in the WS was only sweet for White Sox fans. Low scoring games, pitching duels are only attractive to the winning team's fans, and of course the baseball purist. Which, by the way, wants the pitcher to keep batting in the order, which holds down on scoring runs. East coast fans have always been arrogant in their stance of their sports teams (amoung other things which I won't touch here). Other parts of the country can kick your ass, and we do it quite often. You can revel in a good year, but obviously, not this year huh Yankees and Red Sox fans? btw, i like the 1st paragraph, couldnt agree more (im a baseball purist) but the only arrogant fans ive met are the ones who dont actually go to the games. the true fans show up at the stadium, even if its just once. this year was a good series, and 98% of the world population missed out.

posted by nyfan at 10:46 AM on October 29

Who cares? Ratings matter to a total of like 4 people. ratings matter to advertisers. And I think there are more than 4 of them! Geezzus! Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion bluekarma. and I was talking about World Series ratings, not season attendance! Hello! The lack of comprehension skills here is amazing!

posted by bluekarma at 11:23 AM on October 29

And that has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to be commentators during a baseball game. Ernie Harwell and Vin Scully have a grand total of zero games of MLB playing experience, and they are/were excellent commentators. Dan Shulman has never played in a MLB game and he's a better choice than McCarver or Morgan. Buck Martinez can't hold a candle to Morgan or McCarver in terms of MLB career accomplishments, but he's a hell of a better person to have talk about the goings-on during a baseball game. another moronic statement where the response completely MISSES THE POINT! Morgan and McCarver were PLAYERS and are now COLOR COMMENTATORS!!! That means, they are there to give INSIGHT to what and why what happens on the field of play! Scully and Buck are PLAY by PLAY analyst..they desribe the actual events taking place on the field. Now go back(grum@work) and read the original post and see how you missed the point! Or go to school!

posted by bluekarma at 11:28 AM on October 29

Probably the poor ratings were because One team was totally dominant in their division ( Sox ) and the other team was only 16 games over .500!! Most baseball fans ARE afficianados of the game and had a read on the series before it started, maybe?

posted by lapinskas at 12:09 PM on October 29

I personally watched the series but was disappointed with fox starting so late and having so much pregame. Have the pregame start a 7 and throw the 1st pitch at 8 so maybe we can go to bed by midnight. I missed the ends of the first 3 games because I had to get some sleep. I did enjoy them but really got annoyed with how many commercials fox tried to squeeze in and didn't like the managers interviews. I guess it is all about money and not the love of the game.

posted by skydivemom at 12:23 PM on October 29

and I was talking about World Series ratings, not season attendance! Hello! The lack of comprehension skills here is amazing! Bluekarma, I gave you world series ratings. Look at them, they're there. They prove you wrong though, so maybe you're ignoring them. WS 04 Red Sox/Cardinals 15.8 rating 25 share WS 03 Marlins/Yankees 13.9 rating 25 share WS 02 Angels/Giants 11.9 rating 20 share WS 01 Yankees/Diamondbacks 15.7 rating 25 share WS 00 Yankees/Mets 12.4 rating 21 share Notice 04? Highest ratings? No yankees? Thought so...

posted by justgary at 12:47 PM on October 29

cardinals layed an egg in the nlcs no doubt about it, but throughout the season they were very exciting, and you know they can score runs. plus the ratings would be better. the cardinals are liked and watched from sea to shining sea.

posted by elijahin24 at 12:58 PM on October 29

Its not a shock that the ratings were low. The white sox even though they are a good team they are not very popular. Cub fans won't watch the white sox games and that's more than half the city of chicago.

posted by ogmustang at 01:41 PM on October 29

I for one would not ever like to see a Red Sox- Yankee set up again. You guy's have played your cards over and over again. Maybe in 20 years or so it could be exciting, but right now it 's like watching rich people spending money and betting on who's going to come up with the winning lotto ticket. Nobody cares anymore. Just like no-one cares about the cubs. They suck just as much now as they did 3 years ago, they had their shot and choked on it.

posted by volfire at 02:45 PM on October 29

Now go back(grum@work) and read the original post and see how you missed the point! Or you could finish reading the comment and see how I pointed out that Buck Martinez is a better colour commentator than McCarver and Morgan. I bring up Ernie Harwell and Vin Scully as examples of baseball voices that have no previous baseball experience, but are able to convey the action to the fan in a way that doesn't annoy them. If you think Harwell and Scully only do play-by-play, then you really aren't paying attention. Who do you think talks WITH the colour man to get the information out of them? The play-by-play voice is usually the "lead" voice in the booth. They control the flow and tempo of the broadcast. As well, when the play-by-play commentator has been around as long as Harwell and Scully were/are, then they become "colour" commentators as well (providing historical insights and references). Again, bluekarma, I notice that if someone doesn't agree with your point of view, you tend to level insults at them. Is there a reason why you can't communicate in a civilized manner? And I also find it interesting that you try to slag other people for not reading comments, but obviously don't read them yourself (as justgary proved above). If it only happened once, I wouldn't have noticed. However, you seem to do it almost every discussion you pollute, so it becomes almost comical to observe it happen.

posted by grum@work at 02:46 PM on October 29

I would have loved them to bring in Hawk Herrelson, who has been the voice of the Sox all season long. The crew and the pregnant lady were just BOOOORIIIINNG.

posted by volfire at 03:42 PM on October 29

I stand by my comments..try and justify your statement all you 2 want, but you were wrong..plain and simple. That to me, is just as funny as you thinking you missed the point of my statement. And you did..go read it again. I suggested that the Yankees are the draw in the world series and he comes back with more fans during the season..apples and oranges..ehh??? and you confuse color commentary with play by play.. it's all there in black and white..I dont have to be civilized in a public forum. when I read BS I am going to point it out for simpletons like you.

posted by bluekarma at 06:00 PM on October 29

It seems to me Blue, you are the only simpleton here. I for one (and I am sure many others) think Grum is dead on the point. I'm not even sure if you are reading the same thread as everyone else. By the way, commentators "comment" on what they see, whether it is color or play-by-play. I don't believe from what I have read that there was any confusion on anyone's part of which is which. If you can't play nice, don't play at all.

posted by willthrill72 at 07:32 PM on October 29

Somebody upthread mentioned that annoying graphic Fox likes to throw on screen telling us who's pitching, who's at bat, and who's on base. All that redundant information is bad enough, but then they go and put "Right Now!" at the top of it. That single, solitary exclamation point symbolizes all that is wrong with Fox sports coverage. Anyway, I mostly wanted to post to say that if you guys get to bring back Herman's Head, I get to bring back Andy Richter Controls the Universe.

posted by oscillator72 at 07:49 PM on October 29

I can't help but be a little amused at the fact that baseball just can't seem to win in this department. If the Yankees and/or Bosox were in the Series, it'd be: "Not *those* teams again! East Coast bias! No competitive balance! Baseball sucks!" But without those teams, it's: "Oh, no! Who cares about *these* teams! Flyover country! No national appeal! Baseball sucks!" Maybe the bottom line is that a lot of contemporary Americans would simply rather watch Terrell Owens prance around in front of a goalpost with a Sharpie in hand than watch baseball of *any* sort. Their loss, I say.

posted by Motown Mike at 08:45 PM on October 29

Tim McCarver telling me a softball is bigger than a baseball was very educational. Do your homework Tim so you can sound a little intelligent. Lou Pinella where were you when we needed you. Sox ruled!

posted by Minookajohn at 08:58 PM on October 29

I thought the world series were amazing. I don't think the teams were a factor to the low ratings. In fact both teams deserved to be there. even though im a die-hard cubs fan i think the white sox were flawless. Yankees.. Red sox... who cares about them anymore. I think if they were in the world series they would've had low ratings as well, why? well because were tired of Yankees being there all the time and nobody cares about the red sox anymore i mean they ended their drougt already and they dont have a solid team anymore. People should watch baseball for the game and talented athletes out there not for "teams that are over used by the media" so their owners can get even more filthy rich.. well anyways CONGRATULATION WHITE SOX!!!!! YOU EARNED IT!!!! AND FOR THE CUBS HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE NEXT YEAR!!!!!

posted by e&j2127 at 11:04 PM on October 29

OH AND BY THE WAY, THE SOX ARE PRETTY POPULAR IN CHICAGO! THERE WERE 1.75 MILLION PEOPLE CELEBRATING WITH EM IN DOWNTOWN DURING TICKER TAPE PARADE AND RALLY!! AMAZING!!! THIS HASN'T HAPPENED WITH THE BULLS DYNASTY OR THE BEARS SUPERBOLW IN 1986

posted by e&j2127 at 11:12 PM on October 29

People who show up for a celebratory parade aren't necessarily big "fans" of the team being celebrated. Most probably just want to see the spectacle. The vast majority are probably fans who jumped on the often-mentioned "bandwagon" when the team caught fire in the playoffs. For the season, if I'm correct, the White Sox were seventh in the American League in home attendance. That's not horrible, but when you consider they're in one of the biggest markets in the country, it's kind of sad, especially with the kind of year they put together from start to finish. That being said, I'm still glad for them, but remain troubled over that pathetic rendition of the Journey song they sang while on the podium. Hopefully that never happens again. On another subject, I can't help but smile when looking at some of the films of old World Series final games from the late sixties and early seventies, where the teams would clinch the championship and start mauling each other and celebrating, ALL IN BROAD DAYLIGHT!! It was still light outside, not 1 a.m. or so as it becomes these days. Those horrible starting times are the main reason for bad ratings and viewership. How many senior citizens do you think saw and entire game, or ANY of the games? TV schedules and money have completely overtaken common sense in that area.

posted by dyams at 06:16 AM on October 30

suggested that the Yankees are the draw in the world series and he comes back with more fans during the season..apples and oranges..ehh??? and you confuse color commentary with play by play.. So you are being deliberately obtuse? Got it.

posted by grum@work at 08:00 AM on October 30

it's all there in black and white..I dont have to be civilized in a public forum. Yes you do, if you want to have an account here.

posted by rcade at 08:17 AM on October 30

U probably have a point there dyams(i dont know, but the fact is many were wearing jerseys and even got out of their jobs to attend since it was friday, and let me tell you people don't risk jobs for a stupid "new bandwagon") the truth is the WHITE SOX WON AND THEY WERE THE TEAM WITH THE LOWEST BUDGET IN THE PLAYOFFS!!! NOW THATS TEAM WORK!!!! WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE YANKEES AND RED SOX!!! THEY ARE OLD SCHOOL NOW!!!! GO CUBS!!!!

posted by e&j2127 at 03:48 PM on October 30

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