Hey guys- you keep bitchin about McCarver and everything- but you have never listened to Micheal Kay commentary- have you? He's the WORST ANNOUNCER EVER!!! yes he is. i would rather listen to john sterling and suzyn waldman spit out broadway lyrics on wcbs than michael kay on yes. and those guys suck too. the yankees only good broadcasters are jim kaat, bobby murcer, paul o'neill and ken singleton. Im gonna give professorc some props. I can vaguely remember a time when people thought tim mccarver was the best in the business, but he obviously isnt anymore. I think Morgan is pretty smart though. I dont mind Buck either. But Tim McCarver i think lost his game a while ago. If your team is in the WS, and more importantly wins the WS, you feel it was the best WS ever, and why didn't everyone watch it. If your team isn't in the WS, you just want good games, close games, run scoring games. Blow outs and sweeps don't attract viewers in any sport, unless your team is the one kicking ass. A sweep in the WS was only sweet for White Sox fans. Low scoring games, pitching duels are only attractive to the winning team's fans, and of course the baseball purist. Which, by the way, wants the pitcher to keep batting in the order, which holds down on scoring runs. East coast fans have always been arrogant in their stance of their sports teams (amoung other things which I won't touch here). Other parts of the country can kick your ass, and we do it quite often. You can revel in a good year, but obviously, not this year huh Yankees and Red Sox fans? btw, i like the 1st paragraph, couldnt agree more (im a baseball purist) but the only arrogant fans ive met are the ones who dont actually go to the games. the true fans show up at the stadium, even if its just once. this year was a good series, and 98% of the world population missed out.
Who cares? Ratings matter to a total of like 4 people. ratings matter to advertisers. And I think there are more than 4 of them! Geezzus! Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion bluekarma. and I was talking about World Series ratings, not season attendance! Hello! The lack of comprehension skills here is amazing!
And that has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to be commentators during a baseball game. Ernie Harwell and Vin Scully have a grand total of zero games of MLB playing experience, and they are/were excellent commentators. Dan Shulman has never played in a MLB game and he's a better choice than McCarver or Morgan. Buck Martinez can't hold a candle to Morgan or McCarver in terms of MLB career accomplishments, but he's a hell of a better person to have talk about the goings-on during a baseball game. another moronic statement where the response completely MISSES THE POINT! Morgan and McCarver were PLAYERS and are now COLOR COMMENTATORS!!! That means, they are there to give INSIGHT to what and why what happens on the field of play! Scully and Buck are PLAY by PLAY analyst..they desribe the actual events taking place on the field. Now go back(grum@work) and read the original post and see how you missed the point! Or go to school!
Probably the poor ratings were because One team was totally dominant in their division ( Sox ) and the other team was only 16 games over .500!! Most baseball fans ARE afficianados of the game and had a read on the series before it started, maybe?
I personally watched the series but was disappointed with fox starting so late and having so much pregame. Have the pregame start a 7 and throw the 1st pitch at 8 so maybe we can go to bed by midnight. I missed the ends of the first 3 games because I had to get some sleep. I did enjoy them but really got annoyed with how many commercials fox tried to squeeze in and didn't like the managers interviews. I guess it is all about money and not the love of the game.
and I was talking about World Series ratings, not season attendance! Hello! The lack of comprehension skills here is amazing! Bluekarma, I gave you world series ratings. Look at them, they're there. They prove you wrong though, so maybe you're ignoring them. WS 04 Red Sox/Cardinals 15.8 rating 25 share WS 03 Marlins/Yankees 13.9 rating 25 share WS 02 Angels/Giants 11.9 rating 20 share WS 01 Yankees/Diamondbacks 15.7 rating 25 share WS 00 Yankees/Mets 12.4 rating 21 share Notice 04? Highest ratings? No yankees? Thought so...
cardinals layed an egg in the nlcs no doubt about it, but throughout the season they were very exciting, and you know they can score runs. plus the ratings would be better. the cardinals are liked and watched from sea to shining sea.
Its not a shock that the ratings were low. The white sox even though they are a good team they are not very popular. Cub fans won't watch the white sox games and that's more than half the city of chicago.
I for one would not ever like to see a Red Sox- Yankee set up again. You guy's have played your cards over and over again. Maybe in 20 years or so it could be exciting, but right now it 's like watching rich people spending money and betting on who's going to come up with the winning lotto ticket. Nobody cares anymore. Just like no-one cares about the cubs. They suck just as much now as they did 3 years ago, they had their shot and choked on it.
Now go back(grum@work) and read the original post and see how you missed the point! Or you could finish reading the comment and see how I pointed out that Buck Martinez is a better colour commentator than McCarver and Morgan. I bring up Ernie Harwell and Vin Scully as examples of baseball voices that have no previous baseball experience, but are able to convey the action to the fan in a way that doesn't annoy them. If you think Harwell and Scully only do play-by-play, then you really aren't paying attention. Who do you think talks WITH the colour man to get the information out of them? The play-by-play voice is usually the "lead" voice in the booth. They control the flow and tempo of the broadcast. As well, when the play-by-play commentator has been around as long as Harwell and Scully were/are, then they become "colour" commentators as well (providing historical insights and references). Again, bluekarma, I notice that if someone doesn't agree with your point of view, you tend to level insults at them. Is there a reason why you can't communicate in a civilized manner? And I also find it interesting that you try to slag other people for not reading comments, but obviously don't read them yourself (as justgary proved above). If it only happened once, I wouldn't have noticed. However, you seem to do it almost every discussion you pollute, so it becomes almost comical to observe it happen.
I would have loved them to bring in Hawk Herrelson, who has been the voice of the Sox all season long. The crew and the pregnant lady were just BOOOORIIIINNG.
I stand by my comments..try and justify your statement all you 2 want, but you were wrong..plain and simple. That to me, is just as funny as you thinking you missed the point of my statement. And you did..go read it again. I suggested that the Yankees are the draw in the world series and he comes back with more fans during the season..apples and oranges..ehh??? and you confuse color commentary with play by play.. it's all there in black and white..I dont have to be civilized in a public forum. when I read BS I am going to point it out for simpletons like you.
It seems to me Blue, you are the only simpleton here. I for one (and I am sure many others) think Grum is dead on the point. I'm not even sure if you are reading the same thread as everyone else. By the way, commentators "comment" on what they see, whether it is color or play-by-play. I don't believe from what I have read that there was any confusion on anyone's part of which is which. If you can't play nice, don't play at all.
Somebody upthread mentioned that annoying graphic Fox likes to throw on screen telling us who's pitching, who's at bat, and who's on base. All that redundant information is bad enough, but then they go and put "Right Now!" at the top of it. That single, solitary exclamation point symbolizes all that is wrong with Fox sports coverage. Anyway, I mostly wanted to post to say that if you guys get to bring back Herman's Head, I get to bring back Andy Richter Controls the Universe.
I can't help but be a little amused at the fact that baseball just can't seem to win in this department. If the Yankees and/or Bosox were in the Series, it'd be: "Not *those* teams again! East Coast bias! No competitive balance! Baseball sucks!" But without those teams, it's: "Oh, no! Who cares about *these* teams! Flyover country! No national appeal! Baseball sucks!" Maybe the bottom line is that a lot of contemporary Americans would simply rather watch Terrell Owens prance around in front of a goalpost with a Sharpie in hand than watch baseball of *any* sort. Their loss, I say.
Tim McCarver telling me a softball is bigger than a baseball was very educational. Do your homework Tim so you can sound a little intelligent. Lou Pinella where were you when we needed you. Sox ruled!
I thought the world series were amazing. I don't think the teams were a factor to the low ratings. In fact both teams deserved to be there. even though im a die-hard cubs fan i think the white sox were flawless. Yankees.. Red sox... who cares about them anymore. I think if they were in the world series they would've had low ratings as well, why? well because were tired of Yankees being there all the time and nobody cares about the red sox anymore i mean they ended their drougt already and they dont have a solid team anymore. People should watch baseball for the game and talented athletes out there not for "teams that are over used by the media" so their owners can get even more filthy rich.. well anyways CONGRATULATION WHITE SOX!!!!! YOU EARNED IT!!!! AND FOR THE CUBS HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE NEXT YEAR!!!!!
OH AND BY THE WAY, THE SOX ARE PRETTY POPULAR IN CHICAGO! THERE WERE 1.75 MILLION PEOPLE CELEBRATING WITH EM IN DOWNTOWN DURING TICKER TAPE PARADE AND RALLY!! AMAZING!!! THIS HASN'T HAPPENED WITH THE BULLS DYNASTY OR THE BEARS SUPERBOLW IN 1986
People who show up for a celebratory parade aren't necessarily big "fans" of the team being celebrated. Most probably just want to see the spectacle. The vast majority are probably fans who jumped on the often-mentioned "bandwagon" when the team caught fire in the playoffs. For the season, if I'm correct, the White Sox were seventh in the American League in home attendance. That's not horrible, but when you consider they're in one of the biggest markets in the country, it's kind of sad, especially with the kind of year they put together from start to finish. That being said, I'm still glad for them, but remain troubled over that pathetic rendition of the Journey song they sang while on the podium. Hopefully that never happens again. On another subject, I can't help but smile when looking at some of the films of old World Series final games from the late sixties and early seventies, where the teams would clinch the championship and start mauling each other and celebrating, ALL IN BROAD DAYLIGHT!! It was still light outside, not 1 a.m. or so as it becomes these days. Those horrible starting times are the main reason for bad ratings and viewership. How many senior citizens do you think saw and entire game, or ANY of the games? TV schedules and money have completely overtaken common sense in that area.
suggested that the Yankees are the draw in the world series and he comes back with more fans during the season..apples and oranges..ehh??? and you confuse color commentary with play by play.. So you are being deliberately obtuse? Got it.
it's all there in black and white..I dont have to be civilized in a public forum. Yes you do, if you want to have an account here.
U probably have a point there dyams(i dont know, but the fact is many were wearing jerseys and even got out of their jobs to attend since it was friday, and let me tell you people don't risk jobs for a stupid "new bandwagon") the truth is the WHITE SOX WON AND THEY WERE THE TEAM WITH THE LOWEST BUDGET IN THE PLAYOFFS!!! NOW THATS TEAM WORK!!!! WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE YANKEES AND RED SOX!!! THEY ARE OLD SCHOOL NOW!!!! GO CUBS!!!!
