What I'd like to understand is if Christianity is so perfect and obviously a Good Thing, why isn't it sufficient to teach children at home, in church or generally anywhere except the hours they're in school? I am talking about the basic christain faith as laid down that hasnt changed. <OT, sort of>Daddisamm, I'm under the impression that what we consider Christian faith wasn't actually codified until 325 AD at the First Council of Nicaea. The council was necessary because there were many different sects and each had a distinct take on the definition. This is interesting in itself given that historical accuracy, not counting the last century or so, is probably better the closer you get to the event. Nevertheless, can you tell me what Christian faith is even today? Which one of the following partial list has got it right: Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Latter Day Saints, Jehovah's Witness, Jews for Jesus or Southern Baptists.</OT> More on topic, how does one differentiate basic Christian faith from, well, the rest of Christian faith? If you say it's the rules for how to live a good/virtuous life I'll respectfully answer that almost every religion in history has had fairly similar instruction on that topic. The Pope's pronouncements (to choose one proxy) are supposed to be taken as infallible statements whispered to him by God and yet some centuries ago Galileo was condemned by the Papcy. Only later, the Church later built and staffed some very large scientific institutions that explicitly agree with him. Today scientists tell us that condoms prevent STDs yet the Church (and IIRC you're not a Roman Catholic, but this is just a reasonable example for discussion purposes) says condoms are blasphemous and refuses to distribute them or support their use in regions where women have no ability to refuse men, and the men don't listen to priests.
Not blue, would be if I needed the shampoo...It seemed to me that a Christian posing as just a harmless athlete is the same to some people as a wolf in sheeps clothing. It also seems to me that people get extremely pissed off and call the ACLU when someone mentions their faith in a public place. If it isn't insecurity that breeds such brash reactions what is it? I don't go ape shit when a teacher tells my kids who they are voting for and why. Why get so worked up when someone offers an invitation to a Christian concert? There is no word game between "inform" and "convert" they are two different things. Wasn't trying to "discredit" the opposition, just saying when people share their views with my children and I oppose those views I don't insecurely demand that my child be forever shielded from other points of view. Teaching current events and religion isn't such an absurd parallel...not preaching and trying to "convert" people (that is for church) but teaching religion and how it is involved in current events. It seems to be a factor in the President of Iran's recent comments on the destruction of Israel! Have fun finding my spelling errors or whatever is wrong with my punctuation...and please don't post a link to a picture of you in your new bike shorts.
It also seems to me that people get extremely pissed off and call the ACLU when someone mentions their faith in a public place. If it isn't insecurity that breeds such brash reactions what is it? People have explained repeatedly, in this thread and elsewhere, the reasons why they object to exercise and promotion of religion in public schools. I'm not going to repeat them; they're right there. Teaching current events and religion isn't such an absurd parallel...not preaching and trying to "convert" people (that is for church) but teaching religion and how it is involved in current events. But that wasn't what happened in this case, and that isn't a case in which people "call the ACLU". Public schools teach about the role of religion in history and current events; this is not the same thing as teaching or promoting religion. Make sense?
RZA - God would like to speak to you about your choice of vocabulary when speaking on his behalf He wants to "speak" to me about my choice of words while i speak on his behalf.But He wants to have a tupperware party with the ones here saying he doesnt even exist? AHH the foolishness of man. You attempt to stand at the very Judgment seat of Christ and offer your opinion on who he should reprimand. Your mistake is thinking that Only I will have to answer for what i have said here. Trust me when i tell you, Gods ways are not mans ways. I would love to see your face when he singles you out and asks why you singled me out. Not that will be ironic. "Judge not lest ye be judged, and with the measure that ye meet, it SHALL be measured to you again". Any time someone defends Christians, its assumed that they are Christians.If a white person defends someone black, do you assume that they are secretly black? Oh and RZA I'm gonna sow your asshole shut and keep feedin' ya and feedin' ya and feedin' ya (sorry i had to) As graphic as my previous post was, i cannot seem to get low enough to reach your level. "SO" i will just take this time to educate you on the different spellings of the word SO,SEW, and SOW. So you must remember, if you "sow assholes shut" thats exactly what your going to reap. and to think your a flyers fan. And last but not least,Would those of you who think everyone thats a Christian is catholic please do some research. Catholics make up about 18% of the "Christian" community.They have their own version of Christianity. they even have a different Bible. So when you say "Christians" have no morals because of what has happened in the catholic church. Its kind of like saying that a group of 50 year old retired members of the air national guard in kissamee Florida are just as responsible for finding osama binladin as the troops that are currently over there. I mean, both groups are military right? .
RZA, can you really get upset about a reference to the first Wu-Tang album?
AHH the foolishness of man. So what species are you?
RZA, your arrogance regarding the subjective 'fact' of divinity is reason enough for me to completely read your comments as evidence of the totalitarianism that is the church. I agree entierly of the mistake to lump Christians into a large pile - since their particular views on God usually equate, but their belief in the dogma and configuration/structure of society do not. Which leads to inevitable conclusion of faith being a politic by another name. In my experience, those that are religious are less actually consumed by the salvation of the soul, and more so by the idea of what the country should look and act like (though one would suggest that these are not mutually exclusive - however, in practice one is just used to justify the other). There is little room for anything like tolerance, humbleness or acceptance of any other standard - other than to pay lip service to the notion for the sake of appearance. And that is the frightening combination of arrogance and ignorance that fuels the fires of hate.
In my experience, those that are religious are less actually consumed by the salvation of the soul, and more so by the idea of what the country should look and act like... There is little room for anything like tolerance, humbleness or acceptance of any other standard - other than to pay lip service to the notion for the sake of appearance. And that is the frightening combination of arrogance and ignorance that fuels the fires of hate. You hit the nail on the head, Weedy.
Your mistake is thinking that Only I will have to answer for what i have said here. Trust me when i tell you, Gods ways are not mans ways. I would love to see your face when he singles you out and asks why you singled me out. Not that will be ironic. That's some loving God you got there. Now I see why Tra wanted to share him with the kids.
My just and merciful God can beat up your just and merciful God.
Bottom line here folks-There are too many opinions being passed along as facts. Then you turn around and make stupid jokes about the Christain faith. Its gotten to the point where its not worth discussing as anything true and positive about the faith will be shot down. Some of you think you know it all about the subect.. Trust me, you dont. Funny thing is-I hear--"we need to talk about Sports". Yet its these same people that post a topic like this one and then proceed to trash the Christain faith. I come here to talk sports not to have my core beliefs ripped apart. For the record--the history of corruption in the catholic church should not be used to judge christain beliefs as a whole. Your only distorting the truth. So lets talk about how lousy our fantasy football teams are doing! .
I must be being punished for defending speaking about religion in schools...started Brunell yesterday. Collins on my bench. Nice game Redskins.
So I believe in Jesus so and do not use his name like that
I'm right there with you daddi, we might as well just talk sports... I have Peyton, Harrison, Holt, Burress, Rudi Johnson, Domanick Davis, and Tony Gonzales but only in 4th. I thought I'd easily be 1 or 2. By the way, David Barton is a great guy for anyone to learn about the truth of the Founding Fathers. I highly encourage everyone to listen to him or read his books.
