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October 23, 2005

Podsednik's shot sinks Astros in Game 2: Podsednik's home run off Brad Lidge in the ninth inning gave Chicago a thrilling 7-6 victory over the Houston Astros on Sunday night and put the White Sox halfway home to their first World Series title in 88 years.

posted by justgary to baseball at 11:18 PM - 74 comments

It was the first rain delay at the start of a Series game since Game 3 in 1993 at Philadelphia began 1:12 late That Series also featured a walk-off home run. This cannot be a coincidence.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 11:27 PM on October 23

The sox are getting timely hitting, good pitching, great plays in the field, and still getting the calls. Seems more and more like it's just their time. Do or die time for the astros with oswalt in game three. But Game 1 hero Bobby Jenks couldn't work his magic two nights in a row. It's such a simple concept. Make the pitcher throw strikes, don't chase the high heat, and anyone is hittable.

posted by justgary at 11:30 PM on October 23

OK, I definitely don't wanna jinx it and say I told you so, but c'mon.

posted by mr_crash_davis at 12:01 AM on October 24

Wow. 31 percent decrease. The 5-3 victory by the Chicago White Sox over the Houston Astros on Saturday night on Fox got a 9.5 fast national rating and 17 share, Nielsen Media Research said Sunday. That rating declined 31 percent from Boston's victory over St. Louis in the 2004 opener, which got a 13.7/25. Still, Fox got its highest Saturday night rating in nine months since last season's NFL playoffs.

posted by justgary at 12:12 AM on October 24

they tried that with jenks in game one. there is no denying he was brilliant. the problem is that he is 23. he does not have the consistency of a player who has been in the league for 4-5 years. he threw wild when he came up and untill cooper could get to him, he was not well recived in my fair city.

posted by 15yroldkid at 12:27 AM on October 24

and people really were out in the strees screaming. the old couple that lives 2 townhouses down from me were actually dancing.

posted by 15yroldkid at 12:29 AM on October 24

and people really were out in the strees screaming. the old couple that lives 2 townhouses down from me were actually dancing. Really? I think there is something famous said about chickens and counting and such-and-such. Oh, and about some singing fat chick.

posted by grum@work at 12:49 AM on October 24

I think there is something famous said about chickens and counting and such-and-such. Aww, quit raining on the parade grum. As a red sox fan I say enjoy it. What could go wrong? ;)

posted by justgary at 01:00 AM on October 24

we dont have chickens in chicago. and if u watched family guy, ud know that there are no fat chicks allowed.

posted by 15yroldkid at 01:35 AM on October 24

Scott Podsednik came to the plate 568 times this year and hit zero home runs. link

posted by justgary at 02:07 AM on October 24

What a game!!! So much for the White Sox getting an early lead and just hanging on huh? These guys can beat you in several ways and coming back is definitely one of them. So much for small ball, or Ozzie ball, how 'bout power ball? Bobby Jenks is your typical fireballer. They don't last for many years with just that. He has a wicked curve when he's on. But, you can't show him to the other team to often. You will time it up if you keep seeing that 100 mph fastball. Ozzie, hide this kid for a game or two if necessary. We got Polite, maybe even Hermanson (although Houston has probably seen him when he was with the Giants). And yes, once again, we got a call. God is definitely smiling on this team. No, the fat chick has sang yet, but you really got to like our chances. We hadn't played well on the West Coast in years, decades, but we swept the 3 games in Annaheim. These guys play better on the road. Look out, here we come Houston. Good luck.

posted by Shoalbaby at 05:41 AM on October 24

Brad Lidge hasn't been the same since he went on Jim Rome's radio show before game 5 of the NLCS. Jungle karma my ass.

posted by rcade at 06:58 AM on October 24

oh oh oh oh what a classic Tim McCarver moment. Buck: Do you think that he still has the taste in his mouth from the Pujols homerun? McCarver: It's not there at all. Podszendik: CRACK!

posted by corpse at 08:38 AM on October 24

we dont have chickens in chicago So not true, have you been to logan square? There chicken pens in so many backyards!

posted by corpse at 08:39 AM on October 24

corpse, did that really happen?

posted by StarFucker at 08:43 AM on October 24

These White Sox are totally blessed. Things do seem to end up going their way. Tim McCarver needs to be put down. Worse than the Rolling Stones. I'm still convinced you could unplug his mic, sit him next to a cardboard cut out of Joe Buck and he wouldn't notice the difference - and everyone would be happy.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:44 AM on October 24

Seems more and more like it's just their time. Either that, or the most cruel cosmic joke ever played out is being set up right now.

posted by NoMich at 08:59 AM on October 24

How much is it costing Reinsdorf to pay the Umps for all of these mistakes? I'm not a Sox fan as you all know but I will admit that it all seems to be going their way. Great pitching and timely hitting is getting it done. At the same time, one has to wonder how different it all would be if the Umps got these big calls right. As far as Lidge goes, he was my fantasy league closer. Glad that don't run in the post season too! Got to feel sorry for Berkman who keeps getting the big hits just to watch them go to waste. If {when} the Sox win this thing, it will be due to smart baseball as well as a few well placed bad calls and any team I suppose would welcome that.

posted by melcarek69 at 09:01 AM on October 24

Nifty ballgame, I say! Fun to watch! That wonderful dinger by Konerko, and then the Rastros came back with a nice bit o' baserunning, and then Podsednik tees off in the bottom of the ninth...classic game, give us more!

posted by lil_brown_bat at 09:02 AM on October 24

Too bad the exciting moments and comebacks are forever tainted by poor calls by the umpires. Putting a team in a bases loaded jam with two outs by virtue of a poor call is inexcusable. When everyone with a TV and replay can tell it was a mistake, but the game is allowed to go on regardless, it makes a mockery out of the entire game. Wouldn't you just know that after that call Konerko wouldn't get a base hit, but a freakin' grand slam? Go figure.

posted by dyams at 09:08 AM on October 24

It's not a mockery of the game dude. Umpires have been making bad calls ever since the beginning. It IS the game.

posted by cl at 09:12 AM on October 24

If I were a White Sox fan, I would be "very carefull" May teams have lost those first two games and end up loosing the Series. I have been tired of Tim McCarver since the 1987 World Series. His style tends to bother alot of viewrs and yet, he continues to be doing ths broadcasts!!!!??!

posted by daddisamm at 09:15 AM on October 24

I'll agree with you on most of that cl. I will also say that there are 5 Umps in a post season game. It seems that each one feels that they can make all the calls on their own. That "foul ball" that so obviously hit the nub of the bat should have been called a strike not a hit batsman. Instead of asking for help on the call, the Ump decided it was only his call to make. I'm not sure if any of the other Umps would have or could have seen it, but that seemed to be the way to go. The one thing that does need to be reviewed and changed in the off-season, is the way that Umps are calling games. It is true they all make mistakes and that will never change. But when it's time to tell us who the best team in baseball is each year, it should not be decided by horribly bad calls by the Umpire crew.

posted by melcarek69 at 09:19 AM on October 24

Tim McCarver needs to be put down. Agreed. But torture him first.

posted by smithnyiu at 09:22 AM on October 24

It's not a mockery of the game dude. Umpires have been making bad calls ever since the beginning. It IS the game. Right off the top of my head, I can think of first-base ump Don Denkinger's brain cramp in Game 6 of the 1985 World Series that might have cost the Cardinals the series. I can also think of home plate ump Mike Reilly completely blowing the run clearly scored by Roberto Alomar in Game 2 of the 1992 World Series. (Fans may remember Sports Illustrated one-off horizontal cover of Alomar clearly plating under John Smoltz's extremely late tag.) But of course, most fans tend to forget this blown call, because luckily for Reilly's legacy, the Jays Ed Sprague took Jeff Reardon deep later in the game to undo the blown call. We tend to remember the ones that most hurt the team that lost, but umps blow calls on a regular basis, and it affects both sides, winners and losers.

posted by the red terror at 09:23 AM on October 24

It's not a mockery of the game dude. Umpires have been making bad calls ever since the beginning. It IS the game. Poor calls or flat-out mistakes have been a part of officiating in all sports for years. Some sports, however, have taken steps to try and eliminate as many as possible. When a crucial World Series game takes a four-run swing based largely on a call that is blown and COULD be overturned, that's inexcusable in this day and age. Is it because it's "only" the Astros-White Sox that there's not more of an outrage this time?

posted by dyams at 09:29 AM on October 24

[errata: I just did a quick check... the SI cover shows Reilly punching out Alomar after the tag; pics inside the magazine showed the before-and-after shots where Alomar was easily safe. I wonder if Reilly has a framed copy of the SI cover on his wall? Apologies for the digression...]

posted by the red terror at 09:31 AM on October 24

Is it because it's "only" the Astros-White Sox that there's not more of an outrage this time? Could be. Me; I'm still outraged about The Triple Play That Wasn't in the 4th inning of Game 3 in the 1993 World Series. That was one of the greatest plays in baseball history and umpire Bob Davidson blew it.

posted by the red terror at 09:37 AM on October 24

[Oops again, it was the 4th inning of Game 3 in the 1992 WS.]

posted by the red terror at 09:38 AM on October 24

I'm in total agreement with dyams last statement. I am a Cub fan so this series doesn't serve my interest in both ways. First off, Houston is in the same division as the Cubs and second, Cub fans usually don't like the Sox and visa-versa. This series is not the Yankees and Atlanta, therefore most aren't nearly as interested. But it is a long time til March and this season is possible 2 games from over. I am watching to get that little bit of baseball left and the Umps are taking the excitement that these teams are providing away. When the series is over and a champion has been crowned, the "hit batsman" would be forgotten if it were the only bad call that went by way of the Sox. Unfortunately, in this case, We have too many bad calls in a very short period of time and games. And let me ask the question. Where are the glasses on these Umps anyway? Should they wear hearing aids? Do they know they can get help from the other Umps out there with them? Maybe it's time for these guys to go back to Umpire school. They all have different strike zones. Next time the players go out on strike, maybe they should include these grievances in the negotiations.

posted by melcarek69 at 09:47 AM on October 24

dyams, I would be against anything resembling the NFL's instant replay becoming a part of baseball, but I agree that measures short of that can and should should be taken to reduce the number of blown calls. I was impressed last year when the umpiring crew worked as a crew by meeting to go over questionable calls and when individual umps actually deferred to the better judgement of their colleagues to overturn bad calls. Last night, in particular, I think the home plate ump should have at the very least conferred with the first base ump, who had the better angle on the reaction of the bat and ball after contact was made. If crew chiefs refuse to make that happen, then a separate objective entity, sort of a meta-umpire, should. I agree with King Kaufman about the recent spat of poor calls:

We seemed to have returned to the ugly days of "That was my call, and right or wrong, my call is the law." Mark my words: If instant replay gains traction in baseball, it won't be because of blown calls, which have been around for 100 years and more. It'll be because of this return to arrogance by the umpiring crews. Baseball fans don't require that umpires get every single call right. But they should demand that umps make their best effort to get them all right, rather than just acting like they're never wrong.

posted by cl at 11:46 AM on October 24

I vote for keeping instant replays out of baseball. The calls in question may have gone against the team I support, but that's baseball. It's the one sport where the rules have suffered as little tinkering as possible over the years and it's one of the beauties of the game. Good job to the Sox and their fans on protecting home field. We'll see what happens in Houston soon enough.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 11:56 AM on October 24

MELCARE and DYAMS, check with Bartman, It sounds like he stole the umpire's glasses and hearing aids. Cubs can't beat Houston anyway, GO SOX!!!!!!!

posted by volfire at 12:00 PM on October 24

Another great McCarver moment from game 2: "It looks like he threw a split-finger fastball." Replay runs... "Yep sure was." he realizes the ball makes no movement downward... "either that or a cut fastball." Replay shows pitchers grip before releasing ball... "like I said definately a cut fastball." To sum up: A cutter is to a splitter as a walk is to a homer.

posted by bigrobbieb at 12:10 PM on October 24

You will time it up if you keep seeing that 100 mph fastball. Ozzie, hide this kid for a game or two if necessary.

When Vizcaino came up to the plate, I thought Ozzie would bring in Cotts; when he left his rookie out there instead, Ozzie might have been thinking that bringing Cotts would get Vizaino out and a righty pinch hitter in, so he liked his chances against Vizcaino better; the veteran knew what to look for - Fast Ball - and did slap the ball good to the opposite side....(This in my mind was Ozzie's first mistake of the series- shocking - I know).

On the other hand, I canīt blame Lindge for going right down the middle vs. Pods... I mean, common, how many HR has this guy hit? To walk him would have been a major sin, and Pods was not chasing any of trash..... Tough break; that is baseball!

With 2 runs up, I would have started the 7th with Andy P. The guy was pitching a good game, and his pitch count was still reasonable. --LHP Andy Pettitte said the cold bothered him Sunday night, when he gave up two runs over six innings and was set for the win before his bullpen blew it. "This was a big game," said Pettitte, who gave up eight hits, two runs and struck out four over six innings. "To split here would have been real nice. But we didn't. All I know is, everybody is looking forward to getting home, where the weather is going to be decent." .... I mean common, it's the World Series, go out there one more inning..... If this was Phil Garner's desicion, then I must say that it came back to bite him! If it was Andy's desicion, then I must say - "Grow some balls", I hope a little cold didn't keep him from going out there in the 7th. Cheez! - Results of the Asto's 7th inning desicions - Series 2-0 in favor of the White Sox

posted by zippinglou at 12:24 PM on October 24

Hey Volfire...Cubs won the season series against both the Cards and Astros! It's the other teams they couldn't seem to beat. GO 2006!

posted by melcarek69 at 12:30 PM on October 24

I can't believe there are so many people who want to hold onto the time-honored baseball tradition of missed/blown calls. In this age of high resolution TV and all other technology, where many views from any of 100 different cameras would basically mean making a correct judgment, people would rather rely on one human who was probably blocked out of a complete view, and whose umpire team probably couldn't tell enough (because it IS a very fast game) to have the confidence to walk in, in a World Series game, and attempt to overrule the umpire in charge of the call. I don't like instant replay, but I also don't like the idea of the umpires BEING the game. The idea people have learned to just expect umpires will blow calls (and I'm not even talking balls and strikes) is disturbing. They will always happen, but they don't have to go unturned.

posted by dyams at 12:37 PM on October 24

Chisox have won 14 of their last 15 games against heated contendors with everything on the line. Incredible.

posted by charlatan at 12:37 PM on October 24

dyams, I can just picture it, a video review from 57 different angles after each close play. Can you say "no game in under six hours"? Even if you do a limited number of challenges as in the NFL, it sounds like a recipe for a horror show.

posted by lil_brown_bat at 12:50 PM on October 24

In the meantime, a batter is sent to first base for no reason, and eventually scores. Oh yeah, his team eventually wins the World Series game by one run, too. Yeah, I'd much rather have a quicker game involving guys scoring runs who shouldn't be on base. I love that game.

posted by dyams at 01:00 PM on October 24

Award each Manager a maximum ammount of challenges, say 2 per game. Only if the challenge fails, he will be subtracted a challenge, so he needs to pick his calls. -- This could only help the game in the name of fairness -- .

posted by zippinglou at 01:01 PM on October 24

I love that game. But you're not bitter! dyams, probably you could come up with a workable system. It'd take more than a little doing, since you'd have to get everyone to agree on official video angles etc. But probably it could be done. However, can we agree that that's a separate issue from the outcome of this game? The incident in this game might spur you to call for video review in the future, but video review can't be put in place for this series...so this year, both teams are just going to have to suck up the calls in all their imperfection for the duration of this season, call it a done deal, and move on. It might not be so in the future, but right now, it is part of the game.

posted by lil_brown_bat at 01:12 PM on October 24

In the meantime, a batter is sent to first base for no reason, and eventually scores. Uh, if it didn't hit him it would have been ball 4... If it wasn't ball 4 it would have hit him... It wasn't a missed call or a bad one...that pitch was wild and he deserved the base.

posted by StarFucker at 01:13 PM on October 24

Uh, it didn't hit him. It hit the bat. A foul ball wouldn't be ball four. I'd have to check the rules, but...

posted by dyams at 01:21 PM on October 24

I think video review in MLB is a terrible idea. But, I hate it in football as well. There is no way that it is going to get all the calls right and there will still be mistakes (see NO Saints game this weekend). And, meanwhile, it just slows down the game.

posted by bperk at 01:22 PM on October 24

Uh, if it didn't hit him it would have been ball 4... Or a foul ball, which it was... If it wasn't ball 4 it would have hit him... ...or his bat, which it did. Am I missing something?

posted by cl at 01:24 PM on October 24

I canīt blame Lindge for going right down the middle vs. Pods... I mean, common, how many HR has this guy hit? Two this year, both in the playoffs. As much as I think the guy is overrated, that's impressive. Well, maybe the home run against the Red Sox wasn't, but Brad Lidge is a different kettle of fish.

posted by yerfatma at 01:30 PM on October 24

cl: It is impossible to do these "What if?" Maybe the next ball comes in high and hard and hits Dye. He charges the mound and Lidge hurts his hand in the melee. An Astros fan in Topeka has a heart attack leaving all his money to a small church where a young man plays chuch league baseball and grows up to be the dominant pitcher in the White Sox five consecutive (2023 - 2028) World Series championships. Or Dye could have hit a home run on the next pitch. Lidge loses confidence and gives up two more home runs before he becomes Rick Ankiel. Or...well, you get the idea. "How much is it costing Reinsdorf to pay the Umps for all of these mistakes?" Obviously you aren't a Sox fan. Ricendork wouldn't let go of a penny. "If I were a White Sox fan, I would be "very carefull" May teams have lost those first two games and end up loosing the Series." -- Yeah, I think 11 times in 49 Series. If the Astros were leading 2-0 then Sox fans would be arguing how the umps were calling strikes for the Stros and how Berkman wasn't even trying to move when he was HBP. One reason the ratings aren't as high is just last year we had our "Long Time Loser Miracle." It's too soon to buy that marketing again. On the other hand I still want the Sox to end my years of misery. One idiot owner after another who didn't have the brains or the cash to build a team. I'm not bitter though. It could be worse. I could blame all my woes on a goat or a fan grabbing a foul ball.

posted by ?! at 01:33 PM on October 24

Did that ball deffinately hit bat? I saw one replay of it and i really couldn't tell, it didn't look like it hit anything... but i only saw it once.

posted by tron7 at 01:41 PM on October 24

questionbang, I wasn't playing "what-if", just wondering why StarEffer brought ball 4 into the discussion. Maybe to claim that, had the foul tip been called, Wheeler was wild and would have inevitably walked Dye on the next pitch? That's unknowable.

posted by cl at 01:44 PM on October 24

Question Bang. That's so your name from now on.... On second thought, that's also going to be my kid's name. Maybe, I'll throw a little 'jr.' in there too - just for the pizzaz and stares.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 01:53 PM on October 24

tron, Dye was honest after the game: "It hit the bat; it didn't hit me. I foul-tipped it. I looked around and the umpire said, 'Take your base.' "

posted by cl at 02:02 PM on October 24

just wondering why StarEffer brought ball 4 into the discussion. Uh, maybe because the pitch was ridiculously high and inside, and would've been ball four had Dye been able to get both himself and the bat out of the way?

posted by DrJohnEvans at 02:23 PM on October 24

OK, but I still don't understand how that's relevant.

posted by cl at 02:36 PM on October 24

Thank you Dr...

posted by StarFucker at 02:53 PM on October 24

tron, Dye was honest after the game: "It hit the bat; it didn't hit me. I foul-tipped it. I looked around and the umpire said, 'Take your base.' " Really... did the ump appeal to anyone at all? I came in as konerko hit the slam.

posted by tron7 at 03:07 PM on October 24

tron7 - having known what Dye said (ie it hit my bat) and watching the highlights on ESPN motion (which was my only watching of the highlights, that small window worth of action) it seemed pretty clear to me that it hit the bat. Dye sure didn't react like a ball hit him in the hand/arm.

posted by gspm at 03:08 PM on October 24

OK, but I still don't understand how [the possibility of a ball four is] relevant. Karma, maybe? It was a lousy pitch for a full count. It should've been ball four, except the Astros caught a break when the ball hit the knob of the bat, except the White Sox caught a break when the ump got the call wrong. So the breaks cancel out. Yeah, the call was wrong, but I'm not losing too much sleep over it.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 03:26 PM on October 24

Question Bang. That's so your name from now on I still prefer Interrobang. Or In-Terror-BANG!

posted by yerfatma at 03:29 PM on October 24

why is dyams so pissed off? blown calls, dumb luck and poor decisions have played as much a role in professional sports (especially baseball) as skill and athleticism. Just sit back, pop open a cold one and enjoy. Also, maybe look into some anger management.

posted by willthrill72 at 03:34 PM on October 24

dyams, I can just picture it, a video review from 57 different angles after each close play. Can you say "no game in under six hours"? As opposed to watching a manager come out and complain and argue with the umpire for 10 minutes, demand that he confer with every umpire on the field, listen to his tortured explanation on why the umpire screwed up and then kick some dirt around after he finally gets tossed from the game?

posted by grum@work at 04:02 PM on October 24

first of all u shouldnt miss the call of getting hit then ofcource brad lidge gives up a home run to SCOTT POSEDNICK how that is sad of cource if not for lidge astros wouldnt be there anywase but cmon thats no exscuse for 2 strait homeruns given up watever i still say astros in 6

posted by barry from h-town at 04:29 PM on October 24

Good point, grum. Watching Tony LaRussa grandstand while waiting for someone to almost have to physically escort him off the field a few weeks ago took the equivalent of several replay reviews. And willthrill, pissed off? Please. Nothing in pro sports has pissed me off since I was in junior high school arguing with my friends, many of whom were Oriole fans for some reason (I still don't know why, since we all lived in New York). I saw that replay one time, could tell from the slow motion it hit the bat, not the player, and the entire process took somewhere around three seconds. It's really not all that complicated, and, again, it's not something I really want. I just want umpires to do what it takes to make the right calls. All other (major (football, basketball, hockey) sports use replay in some form or another. Having one more umpire sitting in a booth watching the same broadcast the rest of the world watches could improve some of these things.

posted by dyams at 04:38 PM on October 24

As opposed to watching a manager come out and complain and argue with the umpire for 10 minutes, demand that he confer with every umpire on the field, listen to his tortured explanation on why the umpire screwed up and then kick some dirt around after he finally gets tossed from the game? That's part of the game's rich pageantry, grum. Video replays just can't compare. !

posted by lil_brown_bat at 05:26 PM on October 24

Much more entertaining than watching a referee stick his head inside a giant box for three full minutes, anyway.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 05:31 PM on October 24

Apologies for being slightly off the subject... I don't think LaRussa was grandstanding. I think he just couldn't take the mockery Cuzzi was making of the strike zone anymore, and was the only manager that was willing to finally go out there and preserve the integrity of the strike zone as a rectangle and not a shape shifting trapezoid. Sure it took a while, but he had some trouble getting to Cuzzi and he had a bench that really needed to get fired up themselves. What we need is for the umps to prove they are worth six figures-- complete some continuing education in the offseason and learn to defer to others on your umpiring "team".

posted by cardsfan at 05:41 PM on October 24

That's part of the game's rich pageantry, grum. Video replays just can't compare. I miss Billy Martin.

posted by smithnyiu at 05:45 PM on October 24

And the LOU PINELLA of old

posted by at 06:28 PM on October 24

And they both learned their art from Earl Weaver. (aside: yerfatma...in case there is any confusion with a similarily named site...though I am ?! I am not interrobang.)

posted by ?! at 07:25 PM on October 24

Did you hear that Jimmie lee Solomon ex VP of baseball operations might not let the astros close the roof for their home games(their 36-17 at home when the roof is closed 15-11 when it's not) shouldn't that be the astros call, having homefield advantage and all...

posted by at 08:16 PM on October 24

Do the UMPIRES have money on the White Sox in Vegas?

posted by sleeper57 at 08:52 PM on October 24

Gambling is illegal at Bushwood, sir.

posted by smithnyiu at 10:59 PM on October 24

HOW MANY TIMES DO CHI SOX GET A BREAK DID YOU SEE THE BATBOY KICK THE BALL. MATBE KNOT THEY DIDN'T SHOW IT AGAIN. HIT BY THE PITCH COME ON PLEASE HE'S A GOOD ACTOR . WERE CAN I GET ACOPY OF GAME IKNOW THAT BATBOY KICKED THE BALL

posted by dback2 at 11:58 PM on October 24

I DON'T KNOW...MAYBE IF YOU KEEP YELLING SOMEONE WILL HEAR YOU NEXT DOOR!!

posted by StarFucker at 01:59 PM on October 25

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