Barbaro fighting for his life: His condition is listed as "poor" and it doesn't look like it'll be long before they have to put him down, baring a miracle. Damn, damn shame.
posted by commander cody to other at 02:10 AM - 117 comments
Man that's harsh to read:(
posted by Drood at 04:40 AM on July 14
Sad, was always likely though. This is why most horses that break their legs are put down. It is a fatal injury in a majority of cases.
posted by Fence at 04:46 AM on July 14
I grew to love this brave horse's courage and grit. I pray for an easy resolve for him.
posted by PantherMom at 05:09 AM on July 14
CNN just reported that Barbaro is doing "much better" today than he was yesterday. Let's hope that this is a good sign.
posted by wingnut4life at 07:43 AM on July 14
How does a horse show courage and grit? Seriously, do you think that horse wakes up in the morning and tells himself, "I'm gonna beat this today, no matter what!" I think not. I think he shits in his stall all day, eats oats, drinks water, and stands around a lot while doctors poke and prod him. I will never understand people who give animals human qualities and emotions.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 07:52 AM on July 14
TBH, I'm guessing that you're not a member of PETA, are you? I can't help it, I give all of my pets human qualities. My dogs are my best friends who love me unconditionally. They keep my feet warm at night in bed, which is more than I can say about my wife. She just hits me and tells me to stop snoring.
posted by wingnut4life at 08:12 AM on July 14
I suspect if the horse didn't have massive stud-fee potential, it would have been showing courage and grit in a cat food tin by now.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 08:37 AM on July 14
Not only the stud-fees, but you have to wonder how much groups like NTRA are chipping in, in hopes of salvaging the casual fan. The "much better" line is in wire story from today. Pretty misleading though as he isn't going to get "much better" in a day. He has a chronic condition. Felt sorry watching Dr. Richardson yesterday because it was like he was answering questions asked by a bunch of third graders. But i'm surprised no one ran with his Terry Shiavo line. Figured someone would attack him for comparing a horse to a person like that.
posted by SummersEve at 08:49 AM on July 14
surprised no one ran with his Terry Shiavo line Let me tag that with a great, big i-wouldn't-agree-with-them-if-they-did. I just thought someone would.
posted by SummersEve at 09:11 AM on July 14
I'm still amazed at how many people are affected by the condition of a horse they have seen race once. Along with courage and grit I would attribute scarppiness. Barbaro is deffinately scrappy like David Eckstein.
posted by tron7 at 09:35 AM on July 14
TBH People give animals human qualities because they have compassion and feel for them. Barbaro is a magnificent animal. It is a shame something as beautiful as that gets hurt this way. To the general public this has nothing to do with the stud fees, it has everything to do with people wanting a magnificent beautiful animal to recover from a catastrophic accident. Just the same when you have a pet for a number of years, you grow to love it. You do consider it part of the family. Anyone who has ever had a pet for a long period of time will tell you they do indeed posses some human qualities. Hell there are some people I know that it would be an improvement if they showed some of the same qualities my dog has!
posted by T.C. at 09:38 AM on July 14
Send Good Wishes to Barbaro... Because scrappy horses can read. Sorry for the snark. I actually do wish Barbaro well.
posted by msacheson at 09:38 AM on July 14
I got bit by a horse once. Don't trust them. They may be scrappy, but they're sneaky, too. Every time I see the old Denver Bronco logo, I curl up on the ground in the fetal position. What does this have to with Barbaro you may ask. Absolutely nothing.
posted by Desert Dog at 09:58 AM on July 14
A horse is a horse, of course, of course, but to say that they cannot exhibit courage and grit is to say that you have never been close to, nor relied upon those qualities, in a horse. I can most assuredly say they do, and many a frontier cowboy would have agreed.
posted by mjkredliner at 10:01 AM on July 14
Hell there are some people I know that it would be an improvement if they showed some of the same qualities my dog has! Thanks a lot... I'm now picturing my co-workers licking their own asses.
posted by SummersEve at 10:11 AM on July 14
The only reason people ride horses and not cows is because horses look better, not because they are any smarter.
posted by CB900 at 10:35 AM on July 14
Actually, I think ithe only sad thing about this whole rather ridiculous soap opera involving a country and a horse, is that this horse has received more prayers and good wishes than anyone but the Pope. Hell, he probably BEATS the Pope - Catholicism being what it is these days. The horse that was bred to run around in a circle. We love him. By all means, though - pray away. Write letters. Make the Jebus save the pretty horsey. (I recommend you offer up your offspring as a fair trade sacrifice.) I reserve the right to consider this all in my new book: The Earth is Stupid volume II (Roman numerals are classy).
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 10:38 AM on July 14
Weedy, that was well put. And hilarious.
posted by Desert Dog at 10:49 AM on July 14
Actually, CB900, people ride horses instead of cows for a plethora of reasons, that you , apparently, would not understand. Just stick to your SUV, it's intelligence is more to your liking, it would seem....
posted by mjkredliner at 10:50 AM on July 14
Hell there are some people I know that it would be an improvement if they showed some of the same qualities my dog has! Your a lucky man, my dog has questionable morals.
posted by tron7 at 10:51 AM on July 14
Wow... You know the reason we cheer and pull for Barbaro is because he is a remarkable animal. Yes, he may be a horse who did win the big game...but you know what, so what...GET WELL BARBARO...I"M PULLIN FOR YOU!
posted by chemwizBsquared at 11:16 AM on July 14
Hell there are some people I know that it would be an improvement if they showed some of the same qualities my dog has! Thanks a lot... I'm now picturing my co-workers licking their own asses. Well if there like the poeple i was refering to it would not be much of a stretch for them to lick their own asses, just have to get their head out of there first LOL
posted by T.C. at 11:35 AM on July 14
unfornately i have to agree with weedy on this too, barbaro is a beautiful and a winning horsey but let's wake up! and worry about more important issues like world hunger and will my braves every get a bullpen!!!!!!!!!
posted by jakeamo15 at 11:47 AM on July 14
Actually, mjkredliner, I trained years ago as a saddle maker and have spent a good deal of time around horses when I was younger. I have shoveled shit, picked hooves and filed teeth and done all the other fun stuff that goes with having a horse. I have also helped out on a dairy farm for a friend in need. I have shoveled shit, done the milking and been chased by the herd bull and all the other fun stuff that goes with having a dairy herd. Having worked with both I can tell you a horse is no smarter then a cow, and a pig is smarter then both. It seems for a plethora of reasons, that you, apparently, would not understand, do not see that I said this in fun. Just stick to your jackass, it matches your personality.
posted by CB900 at 11:49 AM on July 14
Ha Ha, having worked with both, I disagree, a horse is much easier to train, and is much more loyal to it's master. (there are many other qualities that make the horse superior to the cow, when was the last time you saw a cow cutting out a horse from the herd?) You are correct about the jackass deal, it implicitly says the same in my profile.
posted by mjkredliner at 12:03 PM on July 14
The horse is superior to the cow? Are you crazy? When was the last time you got a 16 ounce porterhouse off a horse? Throw that big hunk of meat on the grill, pop open a Newcastle and leave me alone! Cows are DE-LI-CIOUS!
posted by Desert Dog at 12:15 PM on July 14
a dog is easier to train then a cat, but the cat seems to know everything it needs to without training. A horse may be easier to train, but I have seen long horn cows that could be ridden. Just not to fast. Ya know ya can't teach a pig to dance. That does not mean he can't, it just means he won't.
posted by CB900 at 12:42 PM on July 14
I agree with The Black Hand on this. People are ridiculous when they attribute human personality traits to animals. Horses are not brave, as a matter of fact they are flight animals,scared by nature and programed to run at the slightest scare. That is why a 1500 lb horse can be spooked by a mouse. Dog lovers talk about how they feed their dog delicious food as if a dog bothers to taste its food, or they know what a dog thinks is delicious. Besides what tastes good to a dog probably doesn't taste good to a person. After all how many people stick their noses in dog shit or go around smelling other dogs asses? Animals don't think like us. Once somebody was telling me dolphins were as smart as people, and I shouldn't eat tuna because of the dolphins killed harvesting tuna. He said they comunicate with each other in a highly developed language. So I said, why aren't they smart enough to stop swimming with the tuna? Why don't they tell each other to stay away from the fishing nets? I guess they're not that smart. Stop trying to make Barbaro out to be anything other than a genetically breed running machine. The real issue is how much sperm can the animal donate before they have to put him down. Hey (not hay) if he were just some $500 carnival pony would everybody be talking about him like this? I doubt it, he is just a valuable commodity in the horse racing world, nothing more. The reason they are spending so much to save him is about the stud money.
posted by Atheist at 12:51 PM on July 14
Wilbur, my feet hurt.
posted by dbt302 at 12:53 PM on July 14
So what happens if Barbaro does get better. Do we jump around and celebrate, then watch Barbaro take a world tour teaching kids about his expiriences? No! He was a racing horse, now he is a close to dead horse. If he gets better, what the fuck is it going to do? Stand around and eat carrots like other generic horses that don't get get well cards. Of course since he won't be able to ride as well I guess he can respond to all his admirers to pass the time. I guess they're not that smart. I'm guessing you're wrong.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 01:09 PM on July 14
How many uninsured people do you think could see a Dr. with what is being spent on this horse?
posted by CB900 at 01:13 PM on July 14
i don't understand whay this thread even turned into an argument about if a animal is smart or dumb, has emotions or doesn't? Who cares? Again I say to the owners and breeders it may be about the money. To the general public it is just feeling compasion for an animal that is hurting. Why is that a bad thing? Compassion is a good trait, the ability to show compassion is a big part of what makes us human. It is also why we love the underdog, and in this situation Barbaro is the underdog. Odds are very much against him surviving thats why people are pulling for him. Think about it, it's the same reason people pull for the Cubs to win the world series!
posted by T.C. at 01:18 PM on July 14
If someone's sperm had the potential of being worth half a million a pop, then someone would be more than willing to pick up that person's medical bills. Look. Even though I only saw him run approximately 1.1 races, I wish Barbaro well too, because good vibes are free, and wishing good fortune on the creatures of the world is a good thing to do. Also, for whatever reason, some people do care about Barbaro, and I want those people to be happy. One of them might be a traffic cop who might not write me a ticket if Barbaro pulls through, or a bus driver who might wait that extra second so I can make the bus, or the deli guy at Katz's who might put a little extra pastrami on my sandwich, because the news that Barbaro pulled through started his day off right and he's been in a good mood ever since. Push comes to shove, I don't care about the horse. I don't play the horses, I watch maybe one of the triple crown races a year, aside from that it's that stuff on the one TV at the pub no one I know watches. But I understand the people who do care, and I respect their give-a-shit about Barbaro. Good vibes can travel a long way in this world. Get better, big fella.
posted by chicobangs at 01:25 PM on July 14
Even though I only saw him run approximately 1.1 races, I wish Barbaro well too, because good vibes are free, zackly so. If you've got a problem with that, you're a punch-pisser.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 02:17 PM on July 14
Ya know ya can't teach a pig to dance. Tell that to these guys. How many people do you think could see a Dr. with what is being spent on this horse? I hear neither the horse, nor the people spending the money complaining: although there are obviously capitalistic motives for saving the horse, if given a vote, I am sure Barbaro would choose a chance to live over the alternative. Health care, much like many other services in this country, is more readily available to those with the means to purchase them. Sorry, just a fact of life here in The Good Ol' USA.
posted by mjkredliner at 02:21 PM on July 14
Chico, he's not a big fella. Ben Roethlisberger is a big fella. It's a fucking horse. That horse has no idea he has all these 'well-wishers.' He doesn't give a crap. Probably the only thing that horse feels is hunger and pain. The only thing the horse wants is to eat and not feel pain. And lbb, I don't know what a punch-pisser is. Good vibes to all. Be sure and send Barbaro a get-well card. I'm sure he'll really appreciate it.
posted by Desert Dog at 02:46 PM on July 14
My experience of horses runs to ones at fairgrounds that have poles through them and I have no idea whether they can show courage, grit or a grasp of advanced algebra, I was just trying to point out that if he'd finished fifth in his first five races they'd have shot him already and we'd have no chance to send him an apple. I'm all for sending the thing good vibes - there, I just sent him a mental dancing banana smilie - but the reasons I'm still able to are probably not noble.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 02:52 PM on July 14
I have no problem assigning human feeling to animals. I know I assign them to my dogs otherwise what would be the point of having them around. Also I have no doubt that they do experience emotions too. They feel love and affection along with the usual hunger and pain. Of course that might seem a bit odd considering that I also have no problem wolfing down a good T-Bone steak, but then again I never cared for cows beyond eating them anyway. So my best wishes to Barbaro, even if he doesn't know about it. It makes me feel better to care.
posted by commander cody at 03:02 PM on July 14
And lbb, I don't know what a punch-pisser is. You, son, it's you. Someone who doesn't like the look of the punch but who can't just walk by the bowl without unzipping and adding his little contribution. Good vibes to all. Be sure and send Barbaro a get-well card. I'm sure he'll really appreciate it. Are you really so dumb as to think that anyone posting here actually believes that Barbaro knows about these "get well wishes"?
posted by lil_brown_bat at 03:13 PM on July 14
Actually DDog, he's not a fucking horse. But if he lives he will be. And if he is like most horses, giving a crap is one of the things he does best. MJK they may call themselves The Dancing Pigs, but come on, we both know real pigs are not that ugly. I do hope Barbaro gets well. I just wish horses were not raced at such a young age. Horses are not done growing until the age of five.
posted by CB900 at 04:09 PM on July 14
Oh, pissing in the punch. Punch-pisser. I get it. Clever. As far as me being dumb, well, I've been called many things in my life. Usually the people calling other people dumb have some problems themselves. But it's OK, Mr. bat. I was trying to be a little sarcastic. I can see how you might get the two confused. Pleasant day, lbb. Thanks, CB900. You are right. If he pulls through, he might be a fucking horse.
posted by Desert Dog at 04:09 PM on July 14
But it's OK, Mr. bat. Mr. bat? /ducking quickly
posted by commander cody at 04:19 PM on July 14
It's like we were never away.
posted by chicobangs at 04:22 PM on July 14
zackly so. If you've got a problem with that, you're a punch-pisser. Sure. But the whole thing is completely absurd. Like a,"let's just sit back for a minute, take a deep breath, and consider what's going on" kinda thing. It's a ridiculous horse death-clock watch. And if you've got a problem with that you're a kind-hearted animal lover, who also may be a muppet. But by all means, get well Barbaro, because I'm concerned about the emotional wellfare of a shitload of non-horses. And if he does get better, the Democrats should run him in an important district - god knows they need to figure out how to relate to the common man. And talk about shoo-in.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 04:27 PM on July 14
Are you really so dumb as to think that anyone posting here actually believes that Barbaro knows about these "get well wishes"? Ummm, last night on ESPN he was watching TV and his stall was covered in get-well cards. I mean he's watching TV and it's all over the tube, unless someone is there changing the channel to save him from last nights grim prognosis, I think he knows.
posted by YukonGold at 04:29 PM on July 14
/chanting over and over "Good Vibes, Good Vibes, Good Vibes" If it makes me feel better to hope he feels better then that's good enough in itself. I don't think anyone really believes that he really knows people are hoping he pulls through or understands what "get well" means, but I also have no doubt whatsoever that he feels the emotions from the people at his side. He knows that people care.
posted by commander cody at 04:36 PM on July 14
Dear Humans: Thanks for your well wishes. Not that I give a fuck, but thanks anyway. I appreciate you all feeling sorry for me and all that, but since I'm a FUCKING HORSE, I really have no long-term memory and don't even remember the accident that crippled me. Because of my insanely good genetics and the medicines they keep pumping into me, I don't really feel any pain at all, and I'm fed like a king. If I were able to show courage and/or grit, maybe I would, or maybe I'd just be a big fat pansy and cry all day while I listened to the Smiths. And if I could play "Melancholy Baby" on the piano, my leg wouldn't be filled with more plates, screws, nuts and bolts than the U.S.S. Nimitz. But I can't do any of these things, because I'm a FUCKING HORSE. All of your cards and letters have served a purpose, however: my stall is lined with them. They absorb my urine and feces better than hay and straw. Anyway, I was going to say "thanks" again, but I've already forgotten what we were discussing, because I'm a FUCKING HORSE! Now somebody feed me before the guy comes in to jack me off again. Sincerely, Barbaro God knows horses just don't get enough compassion these days. You're so compassionate about horses, you should be petitioning Congress to abolish horse racing, cops on horseback, cowboys, those cute little hansom cabs in Central Park, petting zoos, and the Amish. And by the way, T.C., I do own animals, and I have nearly all my life. While they do have their humanistic moments, they're still animals. In the past seven years, I've had one dog die, and I've had to put another one down because he blew out his back legs. Both of them broke my heart, and I still get choked up thinking about them, because you're right, they were members of my family. Barbaro, however, is about as much a member of my family as David Hasselhoff. While I admire what both of them have done on TV, and don't want to see either one of them suffer or die, I don't have a fucking clue what they're like in real life, and probably never will. And, more about compassion: unless you've recently given blood, volunteered at a local hospital, church, soup kitchen or the like, worked with the Special Olympics, Meals on Wheels, or your local AIDS hospice, or helped out your fellow human beings in some way, don't lecture me about compassion at all. I'd be willing to bet you that a significant part of the Barbaro Compassion Movement is made up of people who stepped over a homeless guy on their way to the parking garage this morning, and wish fags, liberals, and every Muslim on earth would die.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:40 PM on July 14
To all those saying "it's just a horse" and similar, FUCK YOU! I feel bad when any creature, whether it be human or not, suffers. If you don't, then you're quite clearly a sociopath who needs to be locked away and kept out of mainstream society. Preferably in an air-tight box. I've actually eaten horse. Didn't realise until afterwards. Bloody French...
posted by Drood at 04:43 PM on July 14
Hmmmm, seems to me that people who are animal lovers are probably more kind to their fellow humans than animal haters, just a guess. Is the outpouring of sympathy a bit too much? I suppose, but it beats spreading feelings of hate. I for one, would have probably put Barbaro down. From what I have read, he has developed a disease that is caused by favoring the injured limb, and if the horse is suffering, it would be more humane (in my mind) to put him down, but, I don't stand to make gazillions off his DNA. So, good luck Barbaro.
posted by mjkredliner at 05:00 PM on July 14
Desert Dog, what you don't seem to understand is that my well-wishes for Barbaro are not wasted, because they're free. I don't have a finite amount of compassion. It's not like I'm making pilgrimages or spending my last ounce of good-vibery on Barbaro. It costs me nothing to wish Barbaro well. If that's not how compassion works for you, well, I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe I'm being obtuse, but I just don't get the meanness in this thread. Apathy I understand. The sports industry is built upon the fallacy that we care about these athletes and they care about us, which is patently false, and if you don't buy into that lie, you can either lapse into becoming a straight spectator or engage in a little doublethink to keep your give-a-shitness up. (As a Leaf fan, I know all about that choice.) But meanness? Meanness is wasted. If the horse doesn't understand or feel anything (which may or may not be true, as I've never been a horse and so can't say for sure, and is beside the point anyway), then you're just being pissy and mean for the sake of being pissy and mean. That's super. I can't believe there's a piss fight over whether we should be hoping Barbaro doesn't die.
posted by chicobangs at 05:06 PM on July 14
Chico, believe me, I get where you're coming from. Some SpoFi's take everything they read on here literally. It's funny. People getting all bent out of shape because I used the term 'fucking horse'. I don't wish the horse was dead or in pain or the such. So people, don't get your little hearts all flustered. I was just messing around. And, Drood, your mother.
posted by Desert Dog at 05:18 PM on July 14
I'm not so sure it is all about the cash. After all the owners will make a fortune on insurance if he has to be put down. However if he does live chances are he'll never be a top quality stud horse. First off his hind legs may be weakened and he may not be able to cover a mare. And no artificial insemination is allowed in race-horses. Then there is the fact that there is no way of telling whether he is fertile or not. Or if he will produce good foals. It is an unknown. I don't get the outpouring of sympathy myself, its sad, but there is a whole lot worse going on in the world. Still as was said, good vibes are free.
posted by Fence at 05:42 PM on July 14
I think the meanness is more geared toward the people who write Barbaro get well cards and otherwise overly bitch about animal rights. While barbaro is a horse, I still don't want him to die but I don't stay awake at night worrying about it. For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 05:43 PM on July 14
And if he does get better, the Democrats should run him in an important district - god knows they need to figure out how to relate to the common man. And talk about shoo-in. Actually they should run him for president. It would be nice to finally have someone in the White House with...ahem..."Horse Sense". /rim shot
posted by commander cody at 05:45 PM on July 14
For those expressing the miguided opinion that Barbaro is being saved for his possible stud fees, ignorance is a terrible thing. The owners of the horse have already stated that he will not be used to breed, as it is highly doubtful that his injured leg could support his weight. They are simply making the effort to save him because they like the horse, and he HAS made them a lot of money. For those believing that he can be 'manually' stimulated and his sperm collected that way, that doesn't work with horses. Bulls, yes, but stallions, not so much. For those hating on people wishing good thoughts and prayers, what could it possibly hurt, shaddup and move along. For people thinking the owners of Barbaro should be trying to alleviate world hunger and sending uninsured people to see drs., why? It's their money, they get to choose what to do with it. I would be shocked to find out that they don't contribute to charity. All that being said, I hope the horse is not suffering, and if and when that time comes, may he go quickly and peacefully.
posted by tommytrump at 05:52 PM on July 14
Damn. We've all been trumped.
posted by Desert Dog at 06:27 PM on July 14
Goes to show I should stick to fairground ponies then.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 06:35 PM on July 14
I don't have a dog in this fight.
posted by yerfatma at 07:07 PM on July 14
Obviously some people care about the horse, but why in the hell does he get all of this attention? Its nice that people feel bad for him, but loads of people sent the horse flowers and get well cards. Its a freakin horse! He has great doctors working on him, and if he recovers he'lll get paid plenty to go around and screw other horses afterwards. If not, someone will buy him and be very happy. The End.
posted by redsoxrgay at 08:44 PM on July 14
The owners of the horse have already stated that he will not be used to breed, as it is highly doubtful that his injured leg could support his weight. Maybe they'll make her get on top... Anyhoo, all of this anger mis-management is making me wonder if this is a Bonds post in disguise. Look on the bright side, this news story is making my little boy happy. Because innocence is bliss and all that bullshit... P.S. Get well, Barbaro. P.P.S. Tigers rally gum is working, game tied up in bottom of the 6th.
posted by wingnut4life at 09:01 PM on July 14
I think this thread says more about people then it does about anything else. It tells me that some people have the abilty to show empathy and compassion for all living things. It shows that some people may be a little more realistic in their views when it comes to animals. This comes from working with animals in a farm or business setting. It also shows that after thousands of years of evolution, horses asses still out number horses two to one.
posted by CB900 at 09:29 PM on July 14
It shows that some people may be a little more realistic in their views when it comes to animals. This comes from working with animals in a farm or business setting. I was raised in the country which is where I learned that cows are stupid, horses are not, pigs are smarter (and more dangerous) then both and you absolutely connot run a farm right without a good dog. To me the cows constituted food because they were dumb (same with chickens and turkeys) and the pigs because they were so mean (sweet revenge having that morning bacon), but horses and dogs were pets and working partners. Guess it's all just in how you look at it.
posted by commander cody at 09:40 PM on July 14
That is what I was trying to say commander cody. Some people deal with horses as a commodity just as you did cows. I guess we could debate if cows are smarter or horses are. But I must admit a bias, I have ben stepped on, bit and pinned to the stall wall by horses. In my dealings with dairy cows they just came in took care of business and went back out. I did not know that pigs were mean, I just thought they smelled really bad. One thing that cannot be argued, nothing is dummer than a turkey. Except maybe a Cubs fan.
posted by CB900 at 10:35 PM on July 14
And this guy.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 03:19 AM on July 15
TBH....that was still funny. There are humans arguing over whether or not it's cool to wish a horse well. Some of the people who are wishing the horse well just ate a chicken, turkey, pig, and/or cow. What if someone was wishing the animal you just ate well. What about their feelings. Imagine if we had to verify no one loved the hamburger at Mcdonalds while it was a cow, before we could eat it.
posted by Bishop at 03:43 AM on July 15
After a great night's sleep, I return to this thread and note that none of the proudly hard-headed practicalists have yet to come up with a reason why compassion for a horse, as expressed in this thread, a)indicates that the expresser-of-compassion sent the horse a card in the belief that the horse would read it and feel better, b)proves that the expresser-of-compassion doesn't feel compassion for anything else, and especially not for his/her fellow human beings, or c)results in any kind of cost to the hard-headed practicalist that would make said hard-headed practicalist's spit-spraying expressions of umbrage in this thread make some kind of sense. In conclusion, you people are being just as ridiculous as the senders-of-cards, if not more so.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 08:07 AM on July 15
Yeah, what lbb said!
posted by tommytrump at 09:12 AM on July 15
Some of the people who are wishing the horse well just ate a chicken, turkey, pig, and/or cow. What if someone was wishing the animal you just ate well. What about their feelings. I'm eating bacon as I type and I actually don't care about the feelings of the pig (beyond the fact that I'm glad another one of those mean bastards is dead), but that's because, just like with people, we care about some and don't give a damn about others.
posted by commander cody at 10:16 AM on July 15
Oh...and what lbb said.
posted by commander cody at 10:17 AM on July 15
In conclusion, you people are being just as ridiculous as the senders-of-cards, if not more so. Hardly. I'm not against sending good vibes. But the laser-focus of the millions sending them to this horse I find hilarious. It's not the idea, it's the volume.What I take as being the centre of this saga of absurdity is that it's such a fantsy idea. It's the quintessential fable - like the audience in Peter Pan we're all clapping for Tinkerbell. The whole thing just drips with irony. Are we a nation of six-year olds? Answer - yes. I don't think anyone is doing anything bad - don't think I care that much. I just think the whole fact that this is what people really care about is more than a little absurd.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 12:31 PM on July 15
Oh...and what Weedy said.
posted by Desert Dog at 02:00 PM on July 15
You're not wrong, but if you search-and-replaced "Barbaro" with "Ben Roethlisberger" or "Kobe Bryant," the facts in this thread would be just as true. Caring about any professional athlete, and expecting them to know and care about you back, is a fool's game. But we all do it anyway. Otherwise, SpoFi would be one post a week about "Hey, anyone wanna go bowling?"
posted by chicobangs at 02:47 PM on July 15
I'm not going to send Big Ben an apple, and if Kobe breaks his leg, i wonder if the talk would be about stud fees
posted by yankee0758 at 02:53 PM on July 15
How true Weedy, its not that I wish this horse any ill. Its not like I am sitting here sending BAD vibes. I dodn't like to see any animal suffer. Its just that Im not going to spend all that much time thinking about. Looking at the bigger picture I can't see how it will change my life one way or the other. But hey, if you have the time, by all means send some good vibes for me. Im sending my good vibes to to commander cody in hopes he can forgive the pig who traumatized him. Son if you try to get even with that pig one pound of bacon at a time, the pig will win.
posted by CB900 at 03:05 PM on July 15
I'm not going to send Big Ben an apple Maybe you're not -- but how many SpoFites have posted comments to the effect of, "My thoughts and prayers are with the xxx family. Dot." in threads about some tragedy happening to some athlete? So let's hear it, yankeewhateveritis and CB900 and Weedy and Desert Dog and others -- the next time we get a thread about some athlete's kid dying in a car crash or whatever, and people start posting, "My thoughts and prayers etc,", you're gonna be right in there saying, "What is wrong with you? Do you think there's some kind of laser-focus of the millions sending good vibes to the XXX family? Do you think the XXX family read SpoFi? You people are ridiculous," right? Because it is ridiculous, right? Hands up! Who's gonna be posting that, and why haven't you posted that in the past?
posted by lil_brown_bat at 05:33 PM on July 15
Hey, anyone wanna go bowling?
posted by chicobangs at 05:53 PM on July 15
I gave up bowling for sex. The balls are lighter and I don't have to change my shoes. /rim shot Oh and thanks for the good vibes CB900, but I still hate them damn pigs. Mean bastards all.
posted by commander cody at 05:55 PM on July 15
lbb, I don't think anyone can equate losing a loved one, that is a person, to losing an animal. Before I had my boys, I loved my 2 dogs tremendously. Now, I still love my dogs, but it's not nearly the same as my sons. I understand many people out there only have a dog or cat or whatever as their only companion. It's sad, I see it everyday on my job. But comparing people's sarcasm on this post about a horse some rich people own to us not caring about sending good vibes when a person loses a child is off base and kind of calloused. I've seen numerous fatal car accidents that have killed people young and old and rich and poor. A horse or a dog or any animal dying just can't be compared. So if my joking around or the term "fucking horse' makes me look like an asshole, that's just the way it is.
posted by Desert Dog at 06:48 PM on July 15
l_b_b: guilty as charged, I suppose.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 07:52 PM on July 15
lbb, for the 5th or 6th time, I wish this horse no ill will. I hope it makes a full recovery. I have two dogs of my own, and I know what its like to loose a dog. I also know what its like to loose a loved one. Not the same thing at all. Please don't insult me by saying I would react the same if this was someones child. maybe your the one who needs a reality check. Let's look at the facts. This horse is someones property, not someones child. They took their property and used it in a way that caused it to break. As you may or may not have read in some of my other posts, a three year old horse is to fucking young to race. A horse is not full grown until it is five years old. So if you take your colt and run it as hard as you can, shit will happen. That said, I have a relative who was just told he has about three weeks before cancer takes his life. So if I'm not showing enough compassion for this horse, well , get over it. Ya know commander cody, that pig you had this morning had a mother.
posted by CB900 at 08:05 PM on July 15
Ya know commander cody, that pig you had this morning had a mother. Yeah I know. Damn good hams on that one. Yummy!
posted by commander cody at 09:17 PM on July 15
Desert Dog: lbb, I don't think anyone can equate losing a loved one, that is a person, to losing an animal. Nobody did. What are you talking about? CB900: Please don't insult me by saying I would react the same if this was someones child. Okay, I won't insult you, because I didn't say that. What are you talking about? That said, I have a relative who was just told he has about three weeks before cancer takes his life. So if I'm not showing enough compassion for this horse, well , get over it. My sympathy for your relative (see the difference between me saying that, to you, and saying, "Get better soon, Big Ben!"?), and best of luck sweeping up the straw from the "you're not showing enough compassion, CB900!" strawman.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 10:54 AM on July 16
So let's hear it, yankeewhateveritis and CB900 and Weedy and Desert Dog and others -- the next time we get a thread about some athlete's kid dying in a car crash or whatever, and people start posting, "My thoughts and prayers etc,", you're gonna be right in there saying, "What is wrong with you? Do you think there's some kind of laser-focus of the millions sending good vibes to the XXX family? Do you think the XXX family read SpoFi? You people are ridiculous," right? Because it is ridiculous, right? Hands up! Who's gonna be posting that, and why haven't you posted that in the past? Because one story is about a HORSE. Look - just let it go. I'll just have to struggle with the notion that someone who seems more than a little intelligent can't find any hilarity and absurdity in Del Saga de Barbaro.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 11:48 AM on July 16
Thank You and well said weedy, now lets all stop beating this dead horse. In an effort to put this to rest I would kiss this horses ass, I just don't know how to tell it from all the rest of the horses asses.
posted by CB900 at 02:14 PM on July 16
That's dead fucking horse ;O
posted by Desert Dog at 03:14 PM on July 16
Because one story is about a HORSE. Look - just let it go. Not until I make one. final. effort to get you to answer a simple question. Consider two cases, one of someone saying, "My thoughts and prayers go out to the Xyz family, get better Big Ben!", and one of someone saying, "Get better Barbaro!" Given that none of the people or animals to whom these sentiments are expressed will ever, ever read them...are they not equal degrees of silly/meaningless/whatever you want to call it?
posted by lil_brown_bat at 08:56 PM on July 16
What lbb said.......
posted by commander cody at 09:27 PM on July 16
My horses love me.
posted by owlhouse at 11:14 PM on July 16
My horses love me. Actually they told me they were just leading you on for extra feed. Sorry.
posted by commander cody at 12:32 AM on July 17
Ok lets try it this way lbb,say a family suffers the loss of a loved one. Or the star of a sport, say a top name race driver who has been racing and winning for years gets killed.It would be normal to feel sadness and want to express your feelings. Now say a horse that belongs to some rich guy and you have only seen race one time gets hurt. Why would you spend any more time thinking about this then the time it took to read the story?
posted by CB900 at 01:28 AM on July 17
I know you're asking lbb about this CB900, but personally I'd feel about the same about both cases. I mean the race car driver knows the risks and it's sad when he gets killed, but the horse by definition is an innocent animal, so it's equally sad when it gets hurt. It's not the same thing, but equal. I think that's why people feel so bad when something happens to a domesticated animal, because they are by nature innocent. Except for pigs. They're evil.
posted by commander cody at 02:02 AM on July 17
CB, you're answering my question with another, irrelevant question. Well, not irrelevant to you, I s'pose, but irrelevant to the point about whether it makes any more sense to express condolences or get well wishes to/for/about people who will never know about them than it does to send get well cards to a horse. When a SpoFi FPP involves a bad thing happening to a sports human -- when Tony Dungy's son dies or Ben Roethlisberger rams his face through a car windshield -- people post comments saying things like, "My thoughts and prayers are with the Dungy family," or "Get better soon, Big Ben!" And no one says, "Well now, that's idiotic, do you think the Dungys or Big Ben are reading these comments?" Because, of course, they are not, and the expressers-of-sentiment know that they aren't. Yet if someone were to call such expression of sentiment idiotic, people would well and truly lose their shit over it. At the same time, with no apparent sense of irony, people get flippy over the ridiculousness of sending a get well card to a horse. One is ridiculous, the other is a sacred cow. Other than that, there's no difference that I can see.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 07:07 AM on July 17
Well, lbb, the difference is that Dungy and the rest of us humans are all facing the same sort of struggles. We feel bad for Dungy because we understand how difficult the situation must be for him and his family. Tony Dungy was actually aware and thankful for all the support. So, sending a sympathy card to Barbaro's owners because of how difficult this must be for them is a better comparison.
posted by bperk at 07:14 AM on July 17
Tony Dungy was actually aware and thankful for all the support. Really? He reads spofi? If a tree falls in a forest, and a horse isn't there to hear it, is it any different than if a human isn't there to hear it? Never mind, I give up.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 07:23 AM on July 17
People want to see a happy ending. What's so crazy about that? If a pig won the Kentucky Derby, i bet there'd be different sentiments towards him. Same for a cow. But a cow or pig didn't win the most popular horse race in the US, Barbaro did. So guess what? People now care about him. People sending cards are expressing an emotion. It may be silly to us, but it's their way of expressing their feelings. Plus i'd say it's a safe bet Barbaro's owners are seeing these cards, as are the folks treating and taking care of Barbaro. You don't think that's a bit inspiring to them?
posted by SummersEve at 07:56 AM on July 17
"My thoughts and prayers are with the Dungy family," or "Get better soon, Big Ben!" And no one says, "Well now, that's idiotic, do you think the Dungys or Big Ben are reading these comments?" Because, of course, they are not, and the expressers-of-sentiment know that they aren't. Yet if someone were to call such expression of sentiment idiotic, people would well and truly lose their shit over it. At the same time, with no apparent sense of irony, people get flippy over the ridiculousness of sending a get well card to a horse. One is ridiculous, the other is a sacred cow. Okay - if we want to overlook the fact that Tony Dungy can in fact read, is a human being and can in fact relate to the good wishes - as oppose to Barbaro who is a horse - and if we just want to consider the idea of sending get well cards to entities that are unlikely to read them, then no - good vibes are free, as chico said, and there is little difference from that narrowed perspective on this whole thing. I admit it - Tony Dungy will have no idea who you are. (Of course this whole line of thinking falls apart if you imagine both examples were right in front of you.) And with that I have three things to add: 1 - Now if you feel that makes these two scenarios equal, then I would suggest that it makes all scenarios and deaths equal. Be it person, fauna and flora. A damn flower could get "equal" treatment. If the Statue of Liberty was being taken down, you could write it a letter. If there is equal value to all suffering because the other person, animal or thing is unlikely to hear us, then there really isn't any value to any of it. Call it an exercise in spiritual masturbation. And, as I have said before - there's nothing wrong with that. But doesn't it seem a little childish? A little simplified? And most importantly - can I laugh at it? 2 - I can't believe you said irony and are defending the letter-wriitng campaigns. To a horse. But really, as you say, since the other person is unlikely to ever hear your prayers or read your cards (mostly because he's a horse) then why stop there? Build a shrine out of Velveeta in your living room. Re-enact his last race on the anniversary ever year in full costume. None of these things is the least bit ridiculous, because Barbaro and Tony Dungy (who's shrine came first) aren't going to ever know you. (Unless they were right in front of you - but why would that matter? That's unlikely! Strangely I think it matters.) 3 - Now I'm not going away until I get my way too - tell me there is nothing funny or absurd about this little drama. I have no right to laugh at it.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:41 AM on July 17
Barbaro threads > Bonds threads ... and what weedy said.
posted by tron7 at 10:58 AM on July 17
Weedy, that is about as good as it gets. Now please come over and clean up the soda that shot out my nose. Summerseve , its a good thing a pig didn't win the Derby. Commandercody would have been at the finish line with a knife and fork. Lbb, I give up. Send the horse a card, flowers, a box of candy what ever you want. Go back and read the postings I have put up over the last month we have been talking about this. I was not the one taking shots at people who wanted to send good vibes. I was the one who said cows were smarter and sent my good vibes to commandercody to help him get over his fear of pigs before he clogs his heart with bacon.
posted by CB900 at 12:53 PM on July 17
Weedy: If there is equal value to all suffering because the other person, animal or thing is unlikely to hear us, then there really isn't any value to any of it. So, now we're talking about the suffering? I thought we were talking about the sympathy -- you know, the good vibes, the letter-writing campaigns, the "Get well soon, Big Ben!" posts on spofi. Wo which is it, suffering or sympathy? It does make a difference to the discussion. 2 - I can't believe you said irony and are defending the letter-wriitng campaigns. I can't believe you think I'm "defending [wtf???] the letter-writing campaigns." I didn't write any of 'em a letter, say a rosary for 'em in church, or post a "my thots and prayers go out to the xyz family GET BETTER SOON" comment on spofi. tell me there is nothing funny or absurd about this little drama. If I told you that, I'd be telling you for the first time. Why do you keep insisting I'm saying things that I"m not saying? My question was a simple one: what's more absurd about sending a horse a card than about expressing a "get well" to a person who will never read it? No one has answered that except to say that the person could read it, only he/she never will, but he/she could, in theory, so there. Oh, and your most recent, which was a very neat inversion of the whole question that managed to dodge the point completely, and instead present it as a desperate desire to build shrines to both Tony Dungy's grief and Barbaro's hind leg. I'll have to remember that little skin-the-cat trick the next time you're making a fairly straightforward point, so I can come up with an equally ridiculous paraphrase, just for you.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 02:13 PM on July 17
So, now we're talking about the suffering? I thought we were talking about the sympathy -- you know, the good vibes, the letter-writing campaigns, the "Get well soon, Big Ben!" posts on spofi. Wo which is it, suffering or sympathy? It does make a difference to the discussion. Okay - equal amounts of sympathy. All sympathy is created equal. If there is any inherent value to sympathy, then the sympathy provided to Barbaro is the same kind of stupid as the sympathy provided to Tony Dungy because none of them will actually receive it. Am I following? If I may sum up: You are saying that my enitre idea of preposterousness is based on this similarity. One is not more ridiculous than the other. Correct? Assuming so, I'll continue: My question was a simple one: what's more absurd about sending a horse a card than about expressing a "get well" to a person who will never read it? No one has answered that except to say that the person could read it, only he/she never will, but he/she could, in theory, so there. Okay - here goes. So the only thing that manages to keep these at the same level of absurdity (or lack of it, which I assume is your overall point - unless your point is my point, or your just interesting in deconstructing the minutae) is distance of the sympathizer to the target of sympathy (Ooo -"distance to target" - we're getting kinda military, here). Relative distance. Sending the horse and Tony Dungy good vibes is the same kind of ridiculous (or not ridiculous) because niether of them will receive it. Right? I think I got it. The issue is distance. So - If that distance were shortened - that is to say that you could actually extend your sympathy to the person or thing that you are extending sympathy for personally. And I feel that this is a very important point. After all, is that not the point? Expressing sympathy is your opportunity to let the party that is suffering (because you don't have sympathy without a corresponding suffering) know that you, too, feel pain due to thier pain? If this condition is not present - then how genuine is that sympathy? So, if we agree that genuine sympathy is the intention in both cases, and that our ultimate goal in sending sympathy is to have the party understand that we sympathize (or empathize in the case of a busted hind leg) even though we probably can't because of a relative distance - then it gets fun - because if we can remove that distance and keep your example we're left with some people talking to Tony Dungy, and some people talking to a horse. And they're using pretty much the same language. I think there's a difference. Not to the horse or Tony Dungy mind you, but it doesn't exactly speak volumes about the people who think they're talking to a horse. Or that a horse gets the same sympathy as a person. And if the idea irealy isn't to send genuine sympathy, but just engage in good wishes for the sake of the sender - then I say that's just a bunch of pseudo-spiritual masturbation. You give a hit about the horsey because it is connected with fairness or good guys, or other human characteristics that your applying to a horse. Characteristics like plucky, courageous and brave. It's funny! Now you've managed to make me deconstruct the whole damn issue. We're bogged down in minutae - and the stuff that really makes this funny - like the relative popularity of the horse, importance of the horse, the fact that you'll never see the relative level of medical expertise this horse gets, media coverage of the horse, and the fact that we had to engage in this kind of a debate about the nature of sympathy (which is the only thing I will agree with you is equally ridiculous in all this) - and all that great stuffis lost in the debate. Frankly, if someone can't find the ridiculousness of the Saga of Barbaro, the only thing I sympathize with is the death of their sense of humour.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 03:45 PM on July 17
And for the record, I have today off and it's too hot to do anything else. No sympathy, I'm sure. Ha!
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 03:55 PM on July 17
What if the well-wishers are horse-whispererers? Does that speak "volumes about the people who think they're talking to a horse"?
posted by garfield at 04:09 PM on July 17
It might all be a moot point because Barbaro is hanging in there and might make it after all. Must have been all those get well wishes and good vibes. :-)
posted by commander cody at 04:34 PM on July 17
weedy I agree with what you said, atleast the parts I understand. Remember I have been accused of being obtuse. I can't believe this has gone on for three days now. I find that in itself absurd and more than a little ridiculous. But I think lost in the bigger picture, was the discovery that commandercody has a deep seated hatred for pigs and may be doing himself harm by eating to much pork. So lets all send commandercody good vibes so he can mend his broken soul. He may or may not receive said vibes. Or he may or may not give a shit. But just the same, lets all face east and vibrate for commandercody.
posted by CB900 at 04:57 PM on July 17
Do they still make glue out of horse hooves? If so, I bet Barbaro's Glue would be the most grittiest, scrappiest, bestest glue ever. (Please don't tell him I said that.)
posted by forrestv at 04:57 PM on July 17
sympathy - sport/not a sport?
posted by Folkways at 05:50 PM on July 17
My horses love me. Actually they told me they were just leading you on for extra feed. Sorry. I know, but you take what you can get, And cupboard love is better than no love at all. Sigh.
posted by owlhouse at 05:55 PM on July 17
I feel your pain owlhouse, I feel your pain.
posted by commander cody at 08:47 PM on July 17
I don't know if it's possibile to eat too much pork CB900, though I'll ask my cardiologist when I see him Wednesday morning. Actually I eat less since I married my Jewish wife, for obvious reasons.
posted by commander cody at 08:49 PM on July 17
lmao, commander, lmao. Let me know how that EKG turns out. Did Miss Piggie break your heart at some point or did you have a Green Acers od?
posted by CB900 at 09:09 PM on July 17
Fuck good vibes, bacon is good.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:35 AM on July 18
posted by wingnut4life at 06:39 AM on July 18
Stay away from the bacon, cc, but pork tenderloin is okay. Vengeance can be good for you.
posted by bperk at 07:41 AM on July 18
I smell bacon. Only one thing smells like bacon, and that's bacon. What's in the box? I can't read!!! It's BACON!!!
posted by MrFrisby at 08:02 AM on July 18
I just found out that pigs are an endangered species, have you seen the price of a pork roast?
posted by CB900 at 09:19 AM on July 18
Did Miss Piggie break your heart at some point or did you have a Green Acers od? Back in the great recession of the late 1970's unemployment (including me) was 30% in my rural county, so a friend and I decided to buy some piglets, chickens and turkeys and raise them for the meat. Chicken and turkeys were fine, but I grew to hate them damn pigs, which is why they tasted best of all. Green Acres was the single most underrated TV show of all time. Everyone raised in the country could relate to it and knew someone just like every person on it.
posted by commander cody at 11:25 AM on July 18
Maybe Barbaro needs to go live with these folks!
posted by 2bnamedl8r at 02:11 PM on July 18
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