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June 14, 2005

Episode II: Return of the Zen Master: Phil Jackson returns to the Lakers. An official announcement is expected at 2 pm PST.

posted by lilnemo to basketball at 01:15 PM - 71 comments

two words-who cares!?

posted by daddisamm at 01:29 PM on June 14

Lakers are done no matter who coach's them.

posted by HOE.O.K. at 02:02 PM on June 14

Well, we certainly know who wears the pants now, don't we? Phil : Kobe :: Megatron : Starscream "Phil?!?" "Here's a hint." BOOM

posted by selfnoise at 02:08 PM on June 14

Jackson and the Lakers are fucked, plain and simple.

posted by Bag Man at 02:08 PM on June 14

I don't think that this team is that far away from returning to the playoffs. They play in a relatively weak division (aside from Phoenix), in a major market, with a renewed emphasis on defense, defined roles for each player on the roster, and a coach who is anything but a lame duck. Don't get me wrong, they won't be in the Finals anytime soon, and they'd be lucky to get out of the first round. But I still think that Phil puts them into the playoffs as a 7-8 seed. And considering the fractured play we witnessed last year; thats saying something. I'm interested to see: If Phil gets a bigger say in personnel decisions (Kupchak should not be handling this alone). What Phil does with the glut of small forwards on the roster. What Phil does with Odom. And what, if any roster moves the Lakers pull off this summer.

posted by lilnemo at 02:37 PM on June 14

Excellent analysis by everyone, by the way. The only thing seperating that mess from sports radio is some monkey in his mom's basement squealing "Rack Him!". PANTHEON HOPE ME!!

posted by lilnemo at 02:45 PM on June 14

Jeannie Buss has magical powers, much like Katie Holmes. How's that for analysis, lilnemo? ;) Seriously, though, there's not a whole lot of basketball meat to this story. The takes are bound to be mostly soap-opera-and-talk-radioish. That said, I am interested in what wrinkles to the triangle PJ's going to put in next year in order to fit the personnel. If the Lakers make the playoffs next year, there should be no more questioning of Jackson's coaching ability.

posted by platocave at 03:14 PM on June 14

Questioning of Jackson's coaching ability???????? What???????? Oh ye of little faith............watch more TV, more commercials, listen to the Zenmaster. Watch Zenmaster turn Lakers into a contender..............he's got Kobe. He won with Michael and an average center, Bill Cartwright et al............watch him come up with another Pippen to compliment Kobe. -Lakers fan since 1965 (I'm 50).

posted by robslob at 03:23 PM on June 14

*bows before platocave's analysis* Well done sir! Admittedly the linked story doesn't have offer much substance. However, there are several questions, and ancillary issues that can be raised as a result of this announcement. And you have raised one of the most provocative questions in relation to Phil's (re-)hiring: ...I am interested in what wrinkles to the triangle PJ's going to put in next year in order to fit the personnel... For what its worth, I'm sorry for the snark. But I'm keeping this thread in mind. Particularly these pertinent comments: Hrm. I don't particularly care what the founders do or think, per se, but I think if your goal is for sportsfilter to be more like sports radio I need to find somewhere else to talk about sports. The thing I like about this site is that it is typically free of the racist, sexist, idiotic assholes who are the bread and butter of sports radio. If you want to find and attract more of those kinds of people and start those kinds of discussions... well, that sucks :/ posted by tieguy at 1:41 PM PST on April 4 I want to emulate good sports radio, where people make their case thoughtfully and the hosts aren't nimrods. I guess you don't think such a beast exists. posted by rcade at 1:47 PM PST on April 4

posted by lilnemo at 03:23 PM on June 14

Phil : Kobe :: Megatron : Starscream Very nice. I enjoyed that almost enough to balance out my massive, massive annoyance with Phil Jackson and the Lakers. The only upside I can see to this is that the pinhead faction in Minneapolis that keeps calling for Jackson to come and coach the Wolves will have to shut up.

posted by cobra! at 03:34 PM on June 14

Ok Phil Jackson is coaching the LOSERS I mean Lakers, sorry. Im really not feeling it right now because even without a lockout they are not goin anywhere. Even if Kobe averages 30 a game they are still not going to make the playoffs anytime soon anyway. THEY ARE IN THE SAME POSITION AS THE Kings right now. Sacremento traded Webber and their lost, L.A. traded Shaq of shit, and now they are lost. One man cant do it all, and Phil Jackass is not accustomed to rebuilding teams. Hes a jockhopper, which means he goes to teams in which all the pieces are already in place, or shall we say the MAIN pieces. This iz why he turned down Cleveland with Lebron. He dont want no part of rebuilding, THATS WORK!!! Face it if he was a reel coach he wood go to the Knicks, or Atlanta. Enough said, its gonne be nice seeing him fail with the lakers, so the soap opera can continue between him and kobe.

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 03:38 PM on June 14

Yeah, I suppose he has to follow the money, but I am mightily disappointed that the Cavs have not made a meaningful move in the coaching department...or the free agent acquisition department (I know, its the playoffs still, but the Cavs need to pick up a good coach AND Michael Redd).

posted by insomnyuk at 03:41 PM on June 14

the pinhead faction in Minneapolis that keeps calling for Jackson to come and coach the Wolves will have to shut up So who are you wanting to get the Timberwolves job, just out of curiosity?

posted by chris2sy at 03:44 PM on June 14

...if he was a reel coach he wood go to the Knicks, or Atlanta... What?! The rest of the comment was somewhat coherent, but this is totally ridiculous. The Knicks? OK. Sure the one team with a WORSE salary cap situation than LA. And Atlanta? I'm not even dignifying that with a response. insomnyuk I would love the Cavs to go after Michael Redd and Flip Saunders, but I'm still leary of their new ownership.

posted by lilnemo at 03:47 PM on June 14

So who are you wanting to get the Timberwolves job, just out of curiosity? Well, not P.J. Carlesimo. Dwayne Casey seems sort of interesting; at least he's not one of the retreads that just float around from coaching slot to coaching slot. If I had my way, Flip wouldn't have gotten railroaded to begin with. I guess that should leave me open to Lowe or Whitman being promoted, although neither really excites me.

posted by cobra! at 04:10 PM on June 14

QUESTION: Dear sports fans, what do three of the greatest to ever step out on the court, Michael, Kobe and Shaq, all have in common? ANSWER: NO ZEN, NO RING.

posted by robslob at 04:11 PM on June 14

Well, Michael didn't get much of a chance: after the team was assembled, Phil sorta hung around. Like the Pope.

posted by yerfatma at 04:23 PM on June 14

My point was LILNEMO, that Phil Jackass will not go to ANY team where he will have to put forth effort and WORK! Any team that has some rebuilding to do.ATLANTA AND kNICKS WERE JUST EXAMPLES. He needs to expand his coaching skills like, Lenny Wilkens Jery Sloan, or Gregg Poppovich. Lets see him win a ring without Michael Jordan, or Yin, and Yang. Then he will be a complete coach with the wisdom to build his OWN MACHINE.

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 04:32 PM on June 14

But can his machine transform into a plane like Starscream? Because that would be cool. Know what would actually be better? If there was a show like "Phil's Angels" or something where every week they'd have to face a new kind of basketball-playing threat and Phil would only appear at the start of the show to pick the proper personnel, a la Matt Tracker of M.A.S.K.

posted by yerfatma at 04:57 PM on June 14

Fricken Haters Whats the rush to judgement for. Will Phil take last years Lakers to the finals? Hell no. But you dont really think that the roster is gonna stay the same, do you? Look for some serious added star power. Find some unhappy superstar like say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,KG maybe. See what that does to a team with still one of the best players in the game, (KOBE). "Build his own team". I think some mental midget just said that. That is exactly what he will do. Build it around Kobe. Just like it was built around MJ. Rage Rod good thing for you your computer comes with spell check. Otherwise the whole world would see how ignorant you truly are. You should stick to NASCAR.

posted by Daddy4 at 05:02 PM on June 14

"Do you think KG is available?"

posted by yerfatma at 05:15 PM on June 14

poor phil he wants the money he returned to the devil fuck la basically fuck all the big city tycoons its funny they lost to detriot with shaq and kobe now without shaq they garbage phil might want to screw kobe in the process he could have gone to the twolves but not enough money and i agree that he goes to the team with superstars only mj made it long time be4 phil mj is still better than these wannabes dwayne wade wont be jordan he will only be flash hes going to make it with r without shaq he proved it this season and the playoffs without shaq playing a couple games kobe is kobe not mj carter could have been the next mj but canada fucked him up and too many injuries i think lebron, dwayne, cmelo, Tyson Chandler, Ben Gordon and the whole pheonix team is exciting to watch in the nba now i liked the more competitive teams than star quality

posted by defrag3x at 05:21 PM on June 14

First of all little daddy i dont need spell check jakass, im talkin basketball, not writing a dissertation! Second of all KG will never and I say never leave Minnesota, especially for the loserz. If he left he would go to a real team like SAN ANTONIO!!! I would truly like for the losers to make it to the playoffs in the next couple of seasons. So they could get RAPED by the SPURS, thats what that rapist kobe missed out on in prison. DONT BE ANGRY TO HERE THE TRUTH, BE A REAL DADDY AND FACE THE FACTS....P.S. THAT WAS NOT ME TALKIN ABOUT NASCAR JACKASS, get your ass in order before you start cutting people down.

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 05:28 PM on June 14

yerfatma thank you for the levity!! Can anyone stay on topic? We aren't discussing whether Kobe, Wade, et al are better than Jordan. Nor is this the "free-for-all-shit-on-this-thread-thread". (Though I am still waiting for yerfatma to get some transformer caption action going on!) Back OT: RR74, the Lakers, as presently constituted, are nowhere near being a playoff team, are they as bad off as the Knicks or Hawks? No. But do the Lakers have to be as bad as the Knicks or Hawks for Phil to justify his coaching credentials? Nope. If Phil can get the Lakers back into contention within his 3-year contract I don't see how you can deny that he is at least a good coach, if not a great one. Is Larry Brown any less of a coach for not having taken a bottom feeder to the Championship? Or Greg Popovich? Neither of them built their squads from scratch. They inherited good squads, but no one is lambasting them for their achievements. Phil and everyone else ever associated with Jordan will always have their contributions overshadowed by his greatness, but that does not diminish their achievements. And as for the T-Wolves, I got 2 words for you: Eric Musselman.

posted by lilnemo at 06:38 PM on June 14

By the way yerfatma: Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors > M.A.S.K. Jayce would totally wipe his ass with Matt Tracker and then feed him to the Sawboss!!1!!!one!! Although Flora totally looks like she was kidnapped from the Littles. Run Lucy Run!!

posted by lilnemo at 07:00 PM on June 14

Phil only wants more money and more attention paid to Phil. It's just one more case of someone in pro sports not knowing enough to stay away. He saw MJ tarnish his image and make a jackass of himself with the Wizards, all because he couldn't stand not having the cameras on him. You think the Zenmaster (God, I hate that) would have enough insight into his own self to know he should stay away from the game. Kobe has talent, but he'll never be able to lead a team the way MJ did. MJ had the cred with his teammates (until he went to Washington). Kobe's team will never rally around him as the leader because nobody likes him, NOT EVEN THE FREAKING COACH!! Hopefully Phil and the Lakers continue their crash and burn so people can finally stop talking about Jackson being such an amazing coach.

posted by dyams at 08:07 PM on June 14

What if Jackson was returning to coach because he enoys coaching? He really has little to prove at this point, perhaps it's just a case of missing being a basketball coach.

posted by dfleming at 08:10 PM on June 14

What if Jackson was returning to coach because he enoys coaching? I don't like him very much, but I think that this could very well be the case. However, the timing of this ("It's the Finals? Who cares, lookatme, lookatme, LOOOOK AAAAT MEEEEE!") seems to lead one to think otherwise. The NBA is better with him in it. At the very least, he is an improvement over Frank Hamblen.

posted by avogadro at 08:52 PM on June 14

Something about the Lakers makes every moron on the internet come out of the woodwork.

posted by dusted at 09:22 PM on June 14

Lilnemo, do you understand plain english, do I HAVE TO DRAW YOU A DIAGRAM. LOL, Its not about overshadowing his coaching credentials, or about taking away anything that Phil Jackass has done in the past. Its about building his own team without all the pieces. so he can actually do some real WORK like the rest of the coaches in the league. Yes you are right I dont think he can rebuild any franchise because he doesnt have the knowledge or the patience. Gregg Poppovich pretty much started from scratch except for David Robinson, from which they still had a dismal year under Bob Hill. He rebuilt that team, and many other coaches have done the same thing. Now Phil has a chance to do the same, lets see if he does it. hehehe..... As for KG, my answer is so what about Bill Musselman. He was a mediocre coach for the warriors even though he should get the credit for leading them in the right direction. The t-wolves need alot more help then just musselman, and they better work fast before KG goes elswhere.

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 12:34 AM on June 15

PLEASE.... all of these laker haters. Phill Jackson is an amazing coach and if he wins one with this team he is by far the greatest ever. NINE count'em 123456789-enough said. I will always preach the goodness of Phill jackson, he can do no wrong. This team will be better this coming this season than last year. WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS! You haters relish this while you can because we will be back on top and there's room on the wagon. Guards: Bryant/Odom Forwards: Grant/Butler Center: Mimm

posted by laker fan #1 at 01:04 AM on June 15

Simple math: Jordan + Pippen + Kobe + Shaq = zero total championships without Phil Yeah, they need some players. Rumor has them swapping the uselessd Caron Butler and their pick to move up and take Chris Paul. That and a big man (move Mihm to PF/bench) should put them on the right track...

posted by drjimmy11 at 01:17 AM on June 15

Phil was not the problem. Shaq was! The animosity was because of Shaq. Kobe was tired of being the no.2 guy in PJ's offensive set. That, coupled with Shaq's declining desire to stay in shape and work on his game(free throws?) also added to Kobe's frustrations! Now that Shaq is gone, and Phil is back, this resembles the Chicago Bulls when PJ took that time with Jordan and Pippen and led them to the playoffs and eventually the championship by the 4th season. Phil has a Jordan type player in Kobe, and a possible 2nd fiddle with Odom or possibly Caron Butler (maybe). I think they need a defensive minded Power Forward and a defnsive minded point guard. They have a workable center in Chris Mihm. All you naysayers need to look to the past and see that the future is all about the possibilities!

posted by bluekarma at 01:37 AM on June 15

I don't care about the Lakers or Jackson, I'd just be happy if people would stop using the term "zen" when they clearly don't have the first idea what it means.

posted by lil_brown_bat at 06:02 AM on June 15

if he wins one with this team he is by far the greatest ever I think Red Auerbach might have a bitch about that, seeing as how he GM'd the teams too. And started from nothing. And won a bunch in a row. I'd just be happy if people would stop using the term "zen" when they clearly don't have the first idea what it means. Doesn't it mean not getting upset if people want to use it however they want?

posted by yerfatma at 06:05 AM on June 15

Doesn't it mean not getting upset if people want to use it however they want? Watch out, that wall's pretty high, Humpty Dumpty -- you might get hurt! Meanwhile, since it's Wednesday, I have now decided that the term "Pope" now means "Starbucks barista".

posted by lil_brown_bat at 06:07 AM on June 15

Admin advisory: Personal abuse from this message on will be deleted. So no more playa' hatin', or zen masta' hatin', or memba' hatin'. A-ight? (Text doesn't convey how completely wrong it is for old white guys to use these phrases.) Phil Jackass will not go to ANY team where he will have to put forth effort and WORK! Any team that has some rebuilding to do. Didn't you just get your wish? The Lakers were woefully bad this season. He'll have to rebuild them -- a team he described as "uncoachable" in his book -- if he's going to win another ring. Jordan + Pippen + Kobe + Shaq = zero total championships without Phil It's a crime to believe that none of Jordan's six or Shaq's three NBA titles would have been won without Jackson. If a washed-up dufus like Barry Switzer could take Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys to another Super Bowl, any number of NBA coaches could have taken the title-defending Bulls or Lakers to at least one more championship.

posted by rcade at 06:39 AM on June 15

lbb, I'm running downstairs right now to get a mocha. That, and I'll confuse the hell outta the Pope.

posted by 86 at 07:38 AM on June 15

Watch out, that wall's pretty high, Humpty Dumpty -- you might get hurt! In spite of the wall height, that went over my head.

posted by yerfatma at 08:01 AM on June 15

Hes a jockhopper, which means he goes to teams in which all the pieces are already in place, or shall we say the MAIN pieces. This iz why he turned down Cleveland with Lebron. Phil Jackson is taking over a lottery team (yes, that's what the Lakers are). Cleveland (42-40), Lakers (34-48). My tip for you: try not to get the facts blatantly wrong, your argument will be much more convincing.

posted by Mike McD at 08:46 AM on June 15

why are we even talking about this?

posted by navy9112000 at 10:04 AM on June 15

Its really funny that Phil annouced his "return" just a couple of hours before Tip Off of game three. He is getting bigger headlines than the chanpionship series. What a joke!

posted by daddisamm at 10:21 AM on June 15

daddisamm, I believe the phrase you're looking for is "What a drama queen!"

posted by chicobangs at 10:26 AM on June 15

I don't care about the Lakers or Jackson, I'd just be happy if people would stop using the term "zen" when they clearly don't have the first idea what it means. If you want to know what Zen is and how it can make you a better human-being read this book: "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" It was voted best book of the 1970's decade. Read it sometimes. One of the best books ever..I read it at 18 and it changed my outlook much as "On the Road" by Jack Keourac's book did for the 60's generation. Zen is not a religion but a philosophy, much as Buddism is.

posted by bluekarma at 10:34 AM on June 15

daddisamm, I believe the phrase you're looking for is "What a drama queen!" agreed- I wonder what David Stern felt about the Timing.

posted by daddisamm at 10:45 AM on June 15

rcade saves the day. YAY PANTHEON! I think Phil's announcement had more to do with Dr. Buss' "hire a coach before the draft deadline" than upstaging the Finals. This is a big story regardless of when it broke preseason, midseason, or postseason because of the "characters" involved. And no, if Phil takes the Lakers to another title, he is not the greatest coach ever. Unless he does it this upcoming season (good luck with that mess). But with his credentials, he does make a good case for being a HOFer.

posted by lilnemo at 11:06 AM on June 15

bluekarma, I agree with your book recommendation, but I would mention the book is prefaced with a comment that says it's not necessarily about Zen Buddhism or Buddhism in general. And the motorcycle advice may not be up to par either (especially if you own a bike built after 1981).

posted by yerfatma at 11:38 AM on June 15

I am resisting the temptation to do what often goes on here and make demeaning, often expletive remarks to other posters; that accomplishes nothing. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, SPORTS FANS. It has ALWAYS taken MORE than great players to win championships. Michael was a frustrated superstar before Phil. How many times did Kerr when a game with a three while Michael was double-teamed? Who put Kerr on the floor at the right time? And in shorter history, Kobe-Shaq were at WAR when Phil came aboard. Post Phil? THREE STRAIGHT TITLES. Yeah, obviously Phil needs players, which is what many of you are saying. HOW BRILLIANT OF YOU TO SEE THAT. WHAT I AM SAYING is that the players need the coach, EVERY BIT as much. If you can't see that, you're either too young to remember or too prejudiced against L.A. to say anything meaningful here.

posted by robslob at 12:01 PM on June 15

He's not in the Hall of Fame yet? Nine rings, no matter how he got 'em, isn't enough? Or is there an eligibility requirement I'm missing?

posted by chicobangs at 12:50 PM on June 15

This is for you MIKE MCD, it does not matter whether the clevelands record is better or worse then the lakers last season. The cavs have made it very evident that they want this guy, but he doesnt want to go there, because it will be real WORK! hence, the example of the CAVS. Is that convincing enough for you...

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 01:03 PM on June 15

Nine rings, no matter how he got 'em, isn't enough? Or is there an eligibility requirement I'm missing? Nope, I was just taking the tone of this thread into account. I personally don't think Phil has anything left to prove. The cavs have made it very evident that they want this guy... Really? Hiring Mike Brown two weeks ago, and all but handing Larry Brown the GM position in advance is a telltale sign of wanting Phil? Did they even request an interview?

posted by lilnemo at 01:31 PM on June 15

bluekarma, I agree with your book recommendation, but I would mention the book is prefaced with a comment that says it's not necessarily about Zen Buddhism or Buddhism in general. And the motorcycle advice may not be up to par either (especially if you own a bike built after 1981). It's a sort of philosophical travelogue. While there is plenty of philosophy in it, it's primarily western philosophy. It's not a book about zen. I should also point out that while there are many people who rave about this book, there are also quite a few who feel it's overrated. Check out the reviews on amazon, sort by lowest first -- it's pretty funny to read some of them. yerfatma, what I was trying to say with my earlier comment re: Humpty Dumpty was that there's a propensity in western culture to use the word "zen" to mean "any nifty cool profound thoughtful stuff", and to attach the tag "zen master" to anyone who seems more reflective or thoughtful than average. If I sounded annoyed at you, I apologize; I was more annoyed at the use of the term in the article, but as such usage is much more common in this culture than the correct usage, I really should get over it. It's a shame, though, because IMO zen has an awful lot to offer to many people, and it's too bad that the term is so misused.

posted by lil_brown_bat at 01:57 PM on June 15

The cavs have made it very evident that they want this guy, but he doesnt want to go there, because it will be real WORK! hence, the example of the CAVS. Is that convincing enough for you... What, exactly, did you just type that was "convincing"? I don't see any evidence in support of your position, evidence that contradicts previously presented facts by the person you are debating with (like Mike McD), or even a coherent argumentative statement. I'd say this would be in no way "convincing"...

posted by grum@work at 03:16 PM on June 15

l_b_b, I was under the impression that, when its applied to Phil Jackson himself, the "Zen Master" stuff is actually refering to Zen Buddhism? Like in a Sacred Hoops kind of useage of Zen Buddhism anyway.

posted by chris2sy at 03:30 PM on June 15

ZATAOMM - is the search for a third element - quality - which is itself nonsensical, and very much in the Eastern philosophical tradition - bascially a trip from the west (subjective vs. objective, reason vs. passion, dichotomies et al.) to the east....and this path of thought is partly why I had to stop studying philosophy. "it lay outside the grasp of the methods of the entire Church of Reason"

posted by garfield at 04:21 PM on June 15

l_b_b, I was under the impression that, when its applied to Phil Jackson himself, the "Zen Master" stuff is actually refering to Zen Buddhism? chris2sy, as near as I can tell, it seems to be more sound-bite than substance. I don't know that Jackson really is given to more profound-sounding philosophical-type utterances than any other NBA coach, but because he is supposedly a Buddhist, people make much of it whenever he does. I haven't read Sacred Hoops, but it seems to be based not so much on Buddhism as a sort of eclectic New-agey mix (the title, I believe, is taken from Lakota culture). I have looked for, but been unable to find, anything to support the idea that Jackson is a "Zen master", and I tend to think that, again, this is the sort of exaggeration laid on by the media and others.

posted by lil_brown_bat at 06:47 PM on June 15

Hey grumwork, Was I SPEAKING TO YOU!! (no) so shut your ass!!! The cavs wanted phil before mike brown was even close to taking the job JACKASS!! read between the find print, phil doesnt want to do any reel work!!! with any team.... Get your ass in gear before you make your comments...

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 03:27 AM on June 16

The cavs wanted phil before mike brown was even close to taking the job JACKASS!! read between the find print, phil doesnt want to do any reel work You wanna provide a source for that? Or are you just going to rage, rage at the dying of your insight? /shuts ass, puts same in gear

posted by yerfatma at 06:02 AM on June 16

F-Rod, think you could conversate with a bit less testosterone? you've got some ideas, but you push them out your ass....and nobody likes reading shit.

posted by garfield at 08:32 AM on June 16

Hey grumwork, Was I SPEAKING TO YOU!! (no) so shut your ass!!! Just a quick reminder: this is a public forum, not a private chat room, so anything you say is visible to everyone else. I'm not sure if you understand that, since you seem to be upset/surprised that someone else responded to your comment. So if you make a statement that someone else finds illogical or ill-conceived, be prepared to be called out on it.

posted by grum@work at 10:57 AM on June 16

Lakers may make the playoffs in a year or so,but no way will Phil win a 10th title.Kobe could very likely play the rest of his life with out winning another title.Phil will have to do more than a normal coaching job.The lakers cap room is rediculous,its a rebuilding job he will do.3 years?No time for a real comeback with less than real players.Kobe is amazing but his team-work is horrible,it was Shaq that made the Lakers win 3 titles,not Phil or Kobe.Los Angeles keep dreaming,or just wait till the N.F.L. comes back to town.. :(

posted by HOE.O.K. at 12:08 PM on June 16

If you dont like my opinions garfield then dont read it then. DUH... and grumwork, why dont we both see what phil can do now that he really has his WORK cut out for him. Im sure you got nothing to say now, and I wont either about this subject until we see those lakers fail. Yerfatma, my source is ESPN. By the way what is a yerfatma????

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 06:14 PM on June 16

Should have known what the name meant. Coming from someone so low that he has to talk about other peoples mother. Your a class act guy. ex.(yerfatma)

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 06:48 PM on June 16

posted by yerfatma at 07:58 PM on June 16

and grumwork, why dont we both see what phil can do now that he really has his WORK cut out for him. Im sure you got nothing to say now, and I wont either about this subject until we see those lakers fail. I don't care that much about the NBA to really give a damn if the Lakers "fail". What I do care about is the level of intellectual discourse on this website, and your abrasive attitude towards anyone who disagrees with you is not really contributing in a positive manner. And just curious...did it really take you over 30 minutes to figure out what yerfatma's name was?

posted by grum@work at 12:14 AM on June 17

And just curious...did it really take you over 30 minutes to figure out what yerfatma's name was? Well, let's see... By the way what is a yerfatma???? posted by Rage Rod 74 at 6:14 PM CST on June 16 Should have known what the name meant. Coming from someone so low that he has to talk about other peoples mother. Your a class act guy. ex.(yerfatma) posted by Rage Rod 74 at 6:48 PM CST on June 16 Unless he took a break to work on his doctoral dissertation, it certainly would appear so.

posted by lil_brown_bat at 08:10 AM on June 17

Real funny fellas, lets look at yerfatma. Now thats funny. Its not that I have a problem with people diagreeing with me, Its just that (grunwirk0, cant take a challenge, oh thats right he said he dont care. Then why are you on this story about Phil Jackson?

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 07:15 PM on June 17

Oh yeah about those 30 minutes, I was watching ESPN news. Not working on my dissertation, lmao.

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 07:17 PM on June 17

Shaq made it hard for Kobe to accept Phil. Shaq was the main piece in the triangle and Kobe felt slighted, even for all his exploits and hard work. Finally, Kobe blew and he wanted Shaq out! And even though Phil left too, I beleive that Kobe never really did not like Phil, he just saw Phil and shaq as part of the same problem. Shaq would never come back, but I knew Phil could. Phil and Kobe is much like Phil and MJ in Chicago. Now all that is needed is the other parts to the triangle and Kobe will be the Jordan he always has wanted to be. Plain and simple, cut and dried. Not rocket-science. And my book reccomendation( Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance) may not be the be-all in zen, but when i read it at 19, it had a major impression on me. Reading it as an older and wiser man of 40, it's effect is much different. More like longing for the days of youth and running away and being free. But it is still a good book, and not at all a guide to fixing your motorcycle. If you get that, you MISSED the entire essence of the book. It was written for the 60's generation.

posted by bluekarma at 12:37 PM on June 18

Real funny fellas, lets look at yerfatma. Now thats funny. Its not that I have a problem with people diagreeing with me, Its just that (grunwirk0, cant take a challenge, oh thats right he said he dont care. Then why are you on this story about Phil Jackson? I have no idea what you are talking about. A challenge? What challenge? To watch what happens to the Lakers next season? How is this a "challenge"? I'm "on this story" because I try to read as many of the posted discussions on this site as I can. They used to be interesting discussions about facts and informed opinions. Now...not so much.

posted by grum@work at 02:28 PM on June 18

Are you turning into a politician grumwork? Sounds like a flip-flop. lmao.

posted by Rage Rod 74 at 12:09 AM on June 20

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