March 15, 2006

"Doc" Gooden back in jail, : apparently couldn't keep his nose clean.

read story | posted by mr_crash_davis to Baseball at 11:32 AM CDT (75 comments total)

Very sad. A drug addiction is an ugly thing.

posted by bperk at 12:02 PM CDT on March 15

Sounds like if he would have just kept quiet to his parole officer they never would have known. You have to admire his honesty.

posted by njsk8r20 at 12:07 PM CDT on March 15

If you keep this crack head in jail, he won't cause any problems.

posted by The Toz at 12:13 PM CDT on March 15

Sounds like if he would have just kept quiet to his parole officer they never would have known. You have to admire his honesty.

Nice thought, but the reality is he was so high he thought he was talking to his dealer. It's back to the Daryl Strawberry Drug Rehab and Recreational Sex Center for Doc.

posted by irunfromclones at 12:17 PM CDT on March 15

If I'm not mistaken, the parole officer still does drug tests, whether random or every visit, I'm not sure. So even if he didn't say anything, I would assume he would have got caught. I could be wrong.

posted by sublime4390116 at 12:22 PM CDT on March 15

You have to admire his honesty..WTF....Was he honest when he ran from the police to evade a DUI...some honesty.He got what he deserved.

posted by DOGFOODMAN at 12:36 PM CDT on March 15

Poor Doc, I still can't believe him and Strawman got addicted to the rock. Its a shame that 2 of New York's legendary athletes were not immune to the crack epidemic that rocked so many communities in the mid 80's. To me he will always be the kid with the hard fast ball and nasty curve that got the Mets that 86 ring. God Be with him and his family

posted by Robb Dubbs at 12:47 PM CDT on March 15

Save a place for Babyface!

Maybe they can put Bonds in the same jail with (DOC) Gooden. They can be Rommies.

They do have alot in common. Wife beaters, Tax evasion & Dopers! Only I think Doc is really sorry, but not Barry.

posted by St.Louis Sandi at 12:49 PM CDT on March 15

Ahhh, Doc has made some poor decisions, but drug addicition is a real illness. I've seen people go down that road and they need help, not additional punishments.

Good luck to him - it's never too late to sober up (says the guy named Weedy).

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 12:56 PM CDT on March 15

Sublime4390116-You are correct-He could have been randomly tested by his parole officer at any time-Gotta give him props for the honesty, although I wonder if he had a guilty conscience at the time, or was he high?

posted by oh2rooper at 1:41 PM CDT on March 15

Looking at some of the entries in this thread, I'm reminded that while addiction is truly difficult to beat, it can be done; stupidity and intolerance, however, are often terminal.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 1:44 PM CDT on March 15

I'm really glad to see so much support for Doc (and Straw). Two of my favorites growing up. So sad. Can't blame em for being rich at 19 and among the most famous celebs in party-town USA... Too bad it hasn't happened to Eli Manning (yet)... I didn't mean that... Also happy to see a day couldn't go by without a dig at Barry Bonds...

posted by MW12 at 1:48 PM CDT on March 15

The good doctor is in the ''house''

posted by joromu at 2:15 PM CDT on March 15

As for drug addiction being an ''illness'', only if are born addicted, otherwise it is a choice that you make.

posted by joromu at 2:18 PM CDT on March 15

joromu, that is only your opinion. Let's not get into the medical mumbo-jumbo, but you need to think before you post. Addiction is an illness that some people can never beat.

posted by wingnut4life at 2:24 PM CDT on March 15

If you told me in 1986 that Gooden and Straw wouldn't end up in the HOF, I'd have thought you were crazy. For that matter, Jose Canseco looked like a lock, too. I'd have guessed Eric Davis too.

I love sports because they help to show us what people with potential can accomplish-- but stories like Strawberry and Doc show us how easy it is to fail. Davis shows us how frail we all are. And Canseco? Hey, sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.

posted by outside counsel at 2:28 PM CDT on March 15

Honorificabilitudinitatibus

Dats not eeeevin a werd.....

posted by wingnut4life at 2:30 PM CDT on March 15

May stupidity and intolerance follow you all the days of your life.

Seriously, is this how you introduce yourself to new people in real life? Gee, come on in, take your shoes off and shit on the carpet!

posted by yerfatma at 2:32 PM CDT on March 15

Gee, come on in, take your shoes off and shit on the carpet!

made me lose some iced tea through my nose. well played, old boy.

posted by ninjavshippo at 3:20 PM CDT on March 15

Are you sure it's a word? I'm just wondering because yer spellin sux...

You should probably get to know people and what their tendencies are before you start a fight with somebody on SpoFi.

posted by wingnut4life at 3:27 PM CDT on March 15

I need help is the first and the last thing that anyone needs to say to themselves before they can beat any type of addiction. I have yet too see anyone beat alcahol or drug addiction by doing it for society or a loved one. It would be nice if we could love or care about someone more than they seem to care about them self but it can't be done.

posted by kck54 at 3:32 PM CDT on March 15

my spelling does SUCK. I'm from Germany! I blame Hitler.

Naw, he was a real grammar Nazi.

posted by cl at 3:52 PM CDT on March 15

First winger, then yerfatma and now Hitler. She just dosen't like anybody. Round up the wagons boys we got a fight on our hands....and yerfatma, kiss your mother goodbye before we go off to battle.

posted by Termite at 3:52 PM CDT on March 15

if your not intelligent enough to know what I'm spelling maybe you need help.

You know, I've seen a lot of discussions about spelling and grammar in SF. I just want to say that it is the best retort I have seen. I knew what they meant, well except for the Willy Wonka words.

posted by njsk8r20 at 4:02 PM CDT on March 15

Friggin' women's lib.....

posted by wingnut4life at 4:19 PM CDT on March 15

The homonym mistake: intentional? You make the call.

posted by yerfatma at 4:35 PM CDT on March 15

Cocaine's a hell of drug

posted by vader at 4:38 PM CDT on March 15

yerfatma I can't get queen's "another one bite's the dust" song out of my head.......good try sandi from germany......

posted by Grrrlacher at 4:45 PM CDT on March 15

From wikipedia
Noun honorificabilitudinitatibus-The state of being able to achieve honours
Notes
This word is an example of a hapax legomenon, occurring in Shakespeare's works only in Act V, Scene I of Love's Labour's Lost (and only very rarely in the works of other authors).

The_Black_Hand , Are you looking in the mirror while your typing? If so your very Talented!
It's with great Honorificabilitudinitatibus (honours) that you noticed The Babyface comment.

So does this mean sandi is giving TBH props for his post?? Im lost.

Haveing an addictive personality I don't drink (alcohol) and try to avoid script meds. It truely is a shame Doc G. fell back but, as wingnut4life pointed out and weedy commented on, once an addict always an addict. Hopefully he will get the assistance he needs to steer clear of the poor decisions.

Spofi is even better that the Readers Digest "word power" section each month.

posted by Folkways at 5:12 PM CDT on March 15

No, I was being Sarcastic!

posted by St.Louis Sandi at 5:15 PM CDT on March 15

That was SUPERCALAFRAGALISTICEXPELADIOUS the way you know all those BIG words very impressed......***note to self, stop by barnes and nobles pick up Dictonary***

posted by Grrrlacher at 5:35 PM CDT on March 15

Well done Folkways. You can learn something everyday.
Poor Doc. I really like Gooden & the Strawman too.

posted by St.Louis Sandi at 5:37 PM CDT on March 15

Sandi, when you start spewing out all of those big words, some of us dumb-ass-folk need a definition. That way we can get in on your little joke. Maybe if you'd add on to your profile, the rest of us dumb-ass-folk can get to know you a little better. Right now all I see is someone who just popped on to the SpoFi scene and wants to be a smartass and thinks that she's better than us dumb-ass-folk. To TBH's credit, he's a very well-knowledged person who just happens to understand the concept of provocation.

posted by wingnut4life at 5:38 PM CDT on March 15

God I wish you would just get a clue...

Do you think your a dumb-ass-folk?
It's you're (as in you are)! Stop using the big fancy-shmancy words if you can't (as in can not) even get the little ones right. Hell, I don't even know you, so how could I give a shit if you like me?

posted by wingnut4life at 5:56 PM CDT on March 15

I remember that for years I used to come to this site for the intelligent sports discussion that was free of the crap you'd find on regular messageboards. Shame that that's not the case anymore.

posted by Bernreuther at 5:58 PM CDT on March 15

posted by wingnut4life at 5:58 PM CDT on March 15

Speaking of smells sandi you are aware women shave their armpits in the States?

posted by Grrrlacher at 6:04 PM CDT on March 15

Ok, back to the topic...

"He went to his regular meeting with his probation officer, admitted to the officer that he had used cocaine. She did a drug screen, and he tested positive for cocaine," Rackleff said.

Well, maybe this was his way of asking for help. I don't know how cocaine or crack addiction is, but I've heard it's really bad. Only thing's I've been addicted to is cigarettes, and that was a m#therf#cker to kick! I use to think that I was an alcoholic, but it turned out I just didn't like being sober in my first marriage.

posted by wingnut4life at 6:07 PM CDT on March 15

I remember that for years I used to come to this site for the intelligent sports discussion that was free of the crap you'd find on regular messageboards. Shame that that's not the case anymore.

Amen.

By the way Sandi, if there is one person on this site you don't want to fight with, it is yerfatma. He will always win.

Wingnut, my offer to go to the locker room and curse the prospectus is still open.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 6:08 PM CDT on March 15

In a weird sort of way, knowing that you're so powerless to beat your addiction that jail is the only safe place for you, then fixing it so that you actually go to jail...takes a certain kind courage.

I think it does, anyway.

"Bang Bang Maxwell's silver (Ban)hammer came down upon her head..."

posted by The_Black_Hand at 6:22 PM CDT on March 15

It still amazes me how an athlete who has it made for the rest of his life, can throw his life away so quickly. Am I in the minority for thinking this? Someone please help me understand why people do this. It's like someone winning the lottery and being broke within 5 years.

posted by dbt302 at 7:10 PM CDT on March 15

Wow, and she still doesn't get it...

Are you married to gregy606, by any chance? Please discuss something sports related instead of cutting and pasting words you really shouldn't be using. Thank you for ruining this thread, jackass.

posted by wingnut4life at 7:31 PM CDT on March 15

[it's a troll. leave it be. it doesn't even write like a woman.]

posted by yerfatma at 7:42 PM CDT on March 15

I was only kidding BOYS!

posted by St.Louis Sandi at 7:57 PM CDT on March 15

Thread found DOA. Time of death: 7.57 PM CST, 3/15/06. I'll notify it's next of kin.

posted by ninjavshippo at 8:30 PM CDT on March 15

This guy is a complete jackass. At some point in time, the man is going to throw him in jail for a good long time. Keep him off the road.

posted by wfsut at 8:32 PM CDT on March 15

Color me surprised and file this one under 2006's Most Unexpected events.

posted by Net Detours at 8:54 PM CDT on March 15

yerfatma, love that pic man i cant stop laughing at it

posted by chuy at 12:33 AM CDT on March 16

I have literally seen people become hooked on the s*%t with one or two hits. They think they have found the answer to their problems. What they don't realize is that the problem has found them. I wish him luck.

posted by Rick Brown at 7:09 AM CDT on March 16

It does not matter what you think or believe, it only matters what is true. Now to Bonds, can anybody believe he is using performance enhancing drugs now, under such close scruitiny? That is why he is hitting .777 in spring training. Maybe he is just that good.

posted by k-i-smet at 7:42 AM CDT on March 16

Just smoke pot the hell with everything else. But really he could have been one of the best. Same with Stawberry. They both had tons of talent. Drugs are bad. (except pot).

posted by tool2310 at 7:47 AM CDT on March 16

When it is your vice, it becomes personal choice. How remarkable. Until proven otherwise, he is one of the best. It is so easy to judge others without proof. "Judge not lest thereby yea shall be judged."

posted by k-i-smet at 8:27 AM CDT on March 16

Hey, honorificabilitudinitatibus is a webbed foot animal with a duck bill that swims in the water.
Doc Goodin is swimming today in the crowbar hotel and I don't feel sorry for him. Just think of the small % of people in this country that make it to the big time and then lose their ability to retain sense.
Also, barry Bond's is a loser. Roger maris is the homerun leader and Oh Can You See Canseco is nothing but ---- in my eyes.
Bond's needs to hide his face in shame. Small man that can't admit to drug enhancement. Hank Arron is the man in Black Athletes in Baseball and he is the only one with a ligitemate record that beat the Babe. He earned it and should be recognized for it. Bond's McGuire, Sosa, Canseco, Giambi, Goodin, Strawberry, Howe and all the rest should be banned from sports period.
BRING BACK Pete Rose he earned it and gambling doesn't even come close to drugs. We all gamble every time we leave our house and if the sports writers association members all think they have wings and a hallo, then they are stupid. They are not PERFECT, no one is.
Do I think Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame, betyoursweetassido. Now that's a word. Bond's is a sublimeoderiferouseminator and is a black mark on the sport of baseball.

posted by dalesrjr at 8:38 AM CDT on March 16

Doc's problem with cocaine is a life long one. Some of the (sub)humans who have been writing in this thread think once you go into some sort of recovery you are "cured" and if you go back to using your just a fuck up. Most of these people don't realize that addiciton is a battle fough every second of every day.

I am admittidly bias when it cones to this subject but if folks like Sandi form Germany or the Toz showed a little compassion maybe more people would act as bravely as Doc and fess up to having a problem and not feel so ashamed when coming out about it.

posted by HATER 187 at 9:49 AM CDT on March 16

You would have been perfect for the Spanish Inquistion. Let us kill any and all who are accused for they are witches. How we cry when it is us accused. Snivelers and haters beware, just because you can't, put down those who can.

posted by k-i-smet at 10:37 AM CDT on March 16

Is there ever any baseball discusions that do not reuslt in bringing up Bonds and Rose?

Sandi, learn to respect the others.

I wish the best of luck to "Doc". Addiction is a horrible thing.

posted by grabofsky74 at 10:38 AM CDT on March 16

grabofsky, I was just kidding.

posted by St.Louis Sandi at 11:33 AM CDT on March 16

Hey Sandi, have you said anything you meant yet?

posted by HATER 187 at 11:42 AM CDT on March 16

Better yet, anything that contributed to the discussion at all?

posted by bperk at 11:46 AM CDT on March 16

Banhammer must be on holiday.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 12:33 PM CDT on March 16

Gooden in jail...you know he, Canseco and Straw should start a club..."The Boss tried to help me but I couldn't stay away from being a user club" Get Bonds on the Yankees for even a game and he can join the club also!!!

posted by djchippy99 at 2:50 PM CDT on March 16

Jeez, sorry I had Wednesday off. This thread seems like it was a real hoot. I know it's after the fact, but could we get Sandi to insult me and then immediately take it back? Don't you hate people that feel like they have to get the last word in? I'll go to another thread and then....Let the hating commence!!

posted by THX-1138 at 5:34 PM CDT on March 16

THX-1138, Bite me.

posted by St.Louis Sandi at 6:24 PM CDT on March 16

Just kidding AGAIN!

posted by St.Louis Sandi at 6:24 PM CDT on March 16

Hmm. Have you noticed that the people who complain the most about posters like Sandi are the quickest to engage posters like Sandi? Seems they are the enemy we love to hate.

posted by BullpenPro at 11:04 PM CDT on March 16

They're are kind of like a disease. They slowly infest a thread with their crap until they finally take it over and destroy it (or until a post doctor comes in to destroy the disease).

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 10:45 AM CDT on March 17

In future FPP's there needs to be a sign reading:

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
they multiply faster than grimlins

posted by Folkways at 12:27 PM CDT on March 17

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
they multiply faster than grimlins

Now that's funny.

posted by willthrill72 at 3:25 PM CDT on March 17

For everyone's benefit, not feeding the trolls also means not discussing them in the same thread they're trying to hijack. When you do this, you can provoke the dreaded meta-troll: "Wah! You called me a troll!".

So, once again with feeling:

1. Someone posts comment without any substance or value other than shock.
2. You're annoyed.
3. You recognized that you're annoyed by a troll.
4. You carry on with the original discussion, not even acknowledging the troll.

That is the only way to deal with a troll. Anything else is wasted energy. Thanks.

posted by qbert72 at 3:50 PM CDT on March 17

No qbert, thank you. That should go up in the guidelines.

posted by njsk8r20 at 4:08 PM CDT on March 17

For everyone's benefit, not feeding the trolls also means not discussing them in the same thread they're trying to hijack.

Right. That's bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tips. Thanks, Egon.

Seriously, there needs to be a user guidline page that includes simple html instructions for italicizing and bolding and linking and such, as well as qbert's "Troll Instruction" and maybe a statement on tolerance in the web place.

posted by BullpenPro at 4:24 PM CDT on March 17

And not posting links that lead back to SportsFilter.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 5:35 PM CDT on March 17

The problem with the kind of advice I just gave is that those who will read and understand it are not those who need it.

posted by qbert72 at 8:52 PM CDT on March 17

Ha!

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 9:10 PM CDT on March 17

Qbert -- your rules are not designed to end trollery itself, but to advise those well intentioned members on how to prevent the trolls from taking over the thread. Still worthwhile, I think.

Now, "Don't Be A Troll" signs... they're pretty much useless I would guess.

posted by BullpenPro at 9:51 AM CDT on March 18

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