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July 16, 2006

Something rare happened on July 15th, 2006: but unlike other occurences that happen once every 30 years, this one went largely unnoticed.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia to baseball at 10:19 AM - 53 comments

I have a very basic knowledge of baseball. What exactly are the conditions required for a save to be a save (or a blown save for that matter)?

posted by apoch at 10:23 AM on July 16

(the official definition) A relief pitcher is in a Save Situation when upon entering the game with his club leading, he has the opportunity to be the finishing pitcher (and is not the winning pitcher of record at the time), and meets any one of the three following conditions:

  • he has a lead of no more than three runs and has the opportunity to pitch for at least one inning, or
  • he enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, at bat, or on deck; or
  • he pitches three or more innings regardless of the lead and the official scorer credits him with a save.

posted by grum@work at 10:29 AM on July 16

I was watching the painful implosion of Rockies' closer Brian Fuentes as he did his part against the Reds. He gave up a walk and two hit batters before a Baltimore chop ended the game. Ouch.

posted by BlueCarp at 11:58 AM on July 16

I find this fact cool and unusual.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 12:29 PM on July 16

Thanks grum, that explains a lot

posted by apoch at 12:47 PM on July 16

Nice post, Ying Yimo and thanks to Grum too, for giving me a useless fact I'll never recite or forget.

posted by Mr Bismarck at 12:56 PM on July 16

For crying out loud,I new this when I was ten years and I'm now 75. Some people should learn the game if they are going to play or watch.

posted by dplay987 at 01:18 PM on July 16

For crying out loud,I new this when I was ten years and I'm now 75. Some people should learn the game if they are going to play or watch. Some people can watch & enjoy a baseball game without knowing ALL the rules and regs. Others are not American,, living in the States, etc, who have no rhyme nor reason to know the rules. Then there is me, who even with Grums explanation is confussed about what is/isnt a saved game for a pitcher.

posted by Folkways at 01:33 PM on July 16

dplay, I am going to put you in the catagory of grumpy old man.

posted by scuubie at 01:34 PM on July 16

If the tying run is on deck, in the ninth,and your team wins the game, you get a save.There is more to it than that, but that is a general rule.

posted by scuubie at 01:38 PM on July 16

For crying out loud,I new this when I was ten years and I'm now 75. Some people should learn the game if they are going to play or watch. I knew how to spell "knew" when I was 10, I still do and I'm not 75. Yeah, I just sassed my elders. That's right.

posted by jerseygirl at 02:26 PM on July 16

Here is one for dplay. In college I went one for one and had five RBI's. Can you figure this one?

posted by mustang71 at 02:47 PM on July 16

well Iam glad ryan dumpster wasn't one of those pitchers to have a blown save cubs won 9-3

posted by luther70 at 03:01 PM on July 16

Mustang ,a walk with bases loaded for an rbi and a grand slam?

posted by sgtcookzane at 03:41 PM on July 16

Wow, two unlikely occurences in one day. No saves and the Cubs won.

posted by CB900 at 04:11 PM on July 16

>Mustang ,a walk with bases loaded for an rbi and a grand slam? Or a sacrifice fly, too.

posted by Philfromhavelock at 04:27 PM on July 16

I still don't understand what a save is. Can you explain it in cricketing terms?

posted by squealy at 05:58 PM on July 16

As someone who has had Francisco Cordero, Jason Isringhausen, David Weathers, Todd Coffey, and Bob Wickham on my fantasy roster at one time or another this season, I can honestly say that I am surprised that this is not a weekly occurrence.

posted by mjkredliner at 07:27 PM on July 16

If you knew what a save was when you were 10 that would have been 1941. Saves have been around only since 1969

posted by GOD at 07:31 PM on July 16

GOD speaks the truth.

posted by Ufez Jones at 07:37 PM on July 16

Maybe dp987 is 75 in dog years

posted by 2bnamedl8r at 07:51 PM on July 16

Thanks Jeebus!

posted by jerseygirl at 07:58 PM on July 16

Is GOD the official fact checker/voice of reason? That would be hilarious.

posted by igottheblues at 08:01 PM on July 16

Well GOD has only taken time out of his insanly busy day to grace spofi with his insight twice, but both times he (she?) (it?) has been right on the money.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 08:10 PM on July 16

I thought baseball was suspended in 1941 do to the war? Grum, I thought taht was a very good explanation. I worked in baseball and I now have a better understanding of a save. Hey dp987, maybe while you were learning about the save at ten he was learning something else. Like manners If God is the offcial fact checker could you please have him check on that Cubs win.

posted by CB900 at 08:13 PM on July 16

Nice God. Good post. I am just glad my Phillies were on the right end of a 14-6 score. Speaking of Cubs, anyone see the three homers against 'em in the 6th inning sunday? Two grannies and a solo shot, didn't realise there were fans more depressed than Philly fans. At least we throw batteries and not just harmless garbage onto the field.

posted by GoBirds at 08:22 PM on July 16

speaking of saves, Mo notched #400 today.

posted by goddam at 10:01 PM on July 16

GOD's comment comes on a thread about saves. Coincidence?

posted by Bishop at 10:48 PM on July 16

Hmmm...God...goddam...God...goddam...God...goddam...hmmm. Anyone else ever notice you never see them together at the same time? Sort of like that whole Clark Kent/Superman thing....except different gender....hmmm.....

posted by commander cody at 11:12 PM on July 16

Some people should learn the game if they are going to play or watch. Yes, and some should shut their yap before their dentures fly across the room and skitter under someone's chair or down an air conditioning vent. Way to begin your SportsFilter career as a total tool.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:37 AM on July 17

Hey dplay987, I'm just starting to get into baseball. I'm not a lifelong fan. Since I am going to watch, I thought this was a perfect opportunity to learn a little bit more about the game. I'll go download the rulebook from MLB.com and have it memorized before I grace another baseball thread or look at another score.

posted by apoch at 04:42 AM on July 17

Yes, and some should shut their yap before their dentures fly across the room and skitter under someone's chair or down an air conditioning vent. You had me at "shut their yap."

posted by jerseygirl at 07:19 AM on July 17

When was the last time the save rule was changed? Anyone know? I was talking about this over the weekend, that closers used to be a lot tougher. As a kid, I recall Sparky Lyle, Goose Gossage or Bruce Sutter pitching 2 to 3 innings to get a save. And getting more than 20 saves in a season was considered exceptional. Was it a rule change that caused the ascendance of the one inning closer and the 45 save season, or was it just a move to more specialized bullpen?

posted by psmealey at 09:30 AM on July 17

I'm sure dplay can tell you, smealey. Or, failing that, you can ask GOD.

posted by Mr Bismarck at 09:38 AM on July 17

From 1970 to 1974, saves were awarded according to a somewhat different rule: a save was credited to a relief pitcher who entered the game with his team in the lead if he held the lead the remainder of the game, provided he was not credited with the victory. A pitcher could be credited with the save even if he had not finished the game, provided he had been removed either for a pinch hitter or a pinch runner. When more than one pitcher was in a position to qualify for a save, the official scorer had to judge which of them had been most effective and award the save to him. from here.

posted by goddam at 10:24 AM on July 17

apoch You feel free to ask any questions you want, that's how you learn. I used to work for a MLB team and every time there is a baseball thread I learn something new from grum. He is an encyclopedia of baseball knowledge. As for dplay, well just try and understand, hes old.

posted by CB900 at 11:54 AM on July 17

Hilarious

posted by sgtcookzane at 12:22 PM on July 17

That's one of the many beautiful aspects about baseball; it is the most subtle of games,with many nuanced aspects.I have been a player and a fan for over 50 years and there is still a lot to learn!

posted by sickleguy at 02:58 PM on July 17

He is an encyclopedia of baseball knowledge To be honest, I knew the answer to the question, but I had a hard time articulating it (especially the last rule) so I google'd the definition and swiped it from ESPN's site. The (from the official definition) should have been a link to the location I acquired the information, as I don't want to be considered someone who doesn't cite sources.

posted by grum@work at 04:17 PM on July 17

Understanding the rules can be difficult for anyone. I've been a baseball fan for 50 years and I still stumble over the infield fly rule. In hockey I've explained icing to my wife a dozen or more times and she still doesn't understand it and she has a Masters degree. The point is though that's what umps are for and I don't let it interfer with enjoying the game.

posted by commander cody at 04:39 PM on July 17

He can still learn from you grum. That I will not take back.

posted by CB900 at 05:28 PM on July 17

God gave us 10 simple commandments for life and half of us don't know all of them, and dad wants us to have the MLB save rule down pat before we comment on a thread. If he continues God, lay the smackdown on him in the form of a fender-bender or a sprained ankle. That'll learn him.

posted by Bishop at 05:49 PM on July 17

I pick fender-bender. If he throws a shoe or breaks a leg, we'll have to debate praying for him. In hockey I've explained icing to my wife a dozen or more times and she still doesn't understand it and she has a Masters degree. As a kid I thought icing was when the players turned hard to stop and threw up a load of snow. In my defense, players do do that when touching up.

posted by yerfatma at 05:56 PM on July 17

A fender-bender may involve an NFL QB without a helmet. That would open a whole other bag of cats. So how about a bad rash on a hot day in a place he can't reach.

posted by CB900 at 06:18 PM on July 17

Icing, infield fly, offside. The Holy Trinity. Only theologians need apply.

posted by owlhouse at 07:43 PM on July 17

Icing, infield fly, offside. The Holy Trinity. Only theologians need apply. Amen

posted by commander cody at 08:47 PM on July 17

Bit tricky there: icing is actually a type of offsides. Although I've no idea what would happen if you iced the puck with runners on first and second.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 09:30 PM on July 17

Bit tricky there: icing is actually a type of offsides. Although I've no idea what would happen if you iced the puck with runners on first and second. Penalty kick?

posted by commander cody at 09:38 PM on July 17

Two free throws and a loss of down.

posted by CB900 at 11:09 PM on July 17

And a yellow card, depending on the ref.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:44 AM on July 18

Penalty homerun.

posted by wingnut4life at 06:42 AM on July 18

Thats only if its in the neutral zone wingnut. Or is that the DMZ?

posted by CB900 at 09:09 AM on July 18

Both benches warned and the utility infielders each get time in the penalty box.

posted by jerseygirl at 09:49 AM on July 18

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