Ron Artest wishes to be traded.: Some rather hot-headed analysis here. I don't understand what this guy is thinking.
posted by chmurray to basketball at 01:13 AM - 56 comments
The guy isn't thinking at all.....about his teammates or this organization which has put up with his antics for far too long. Just another case of a selfish athlete crying like a bitch to the media to get what he wants, a fat payday down the road from the Knicks, not a championship. That is, if the Knicks are listening.....I can see it now, Artest playing for Larry Brown, a disaster waiting to happen.
posted by skooby717 at 01:32 AM on December 11
Hey, Detroit would love to welcome him back to town! I'm sure the welcoming commitee would plan something real "special" for him!
posted by commander cody at 01:46 AM on December 11
Someone doesn't realize that the league/ the team gave him a second chance. Plus he has a mustach, GO AWAY
posted by Lunger24 at 02:41 AM on December 11
i say he should just stay making music and just retired NBA.
posted by gregr3d at 02:46 AM on December 11
I agree. If he shaves his moustache off, then that'll make this trade request perfectly acceptable.
posted by chicobangs at 02:53 AM on December 11
TO>>>>RA ...RAT? Screwballs both.Fan loyalty means nothing....how do you let a little kid watch and love and learn how to be a man or woman or just a decent human being watching these jerks? Civilization is drawing to a fast close. Later traitors. Let Ron Artest try that runnin in the stands bullshit in Philly. Too bad theres no "Raiders" in the NBA. Ach...Im drunk, sorry guys. These nuts really do something for my temper.
posted by GoBirds at 04:25 AM on December 11
What, thats music. Just go away and don't come near the Heat.
posted by blademan6946 at 07:16 AM on December 11
how do you let a little kid watch and love and learn how to be a man or woman or just a decent human being watching these jerks? Perhaps there's more to raising a kid than sitting down and watching the game on TV with him/her...
posted by blarp at 10:35 AM on December 11
...Blarp for the win.
posted by dfleming at 10:52 AM on December 11
Keep him in the Eastern Conference. Seeing him twice a year is enough.
posted by mustang71 at 01:11 PM on December 11
I agree with most of the comments. Ron Artest is a self-absorbed, immature, ungratefull Ass. From day one, his ATTITUDE has been down right arrogant. Ron like terrel Owens (and others,,,) needs a reality check...there are so many young black teenage athletes who are training to one day get that opportunity to play in a professional sports....and not just black teenagers.....all shades of colors..... believe it or not...not for the money...... He's lucky this annoyed black woman ....is not a owner of a professional team.......there would be many heads rolling on the chopping block
posted by gmkirk at 01:13 PM on December 11
Oddly(or maybe not so odd)not 1 comment on his skill or his ability to help alot of teams in either conference. And the sad thing is, he would start on probably 65% of the teams he would goto.If not start he would be 6th man on 80% of the teams(that would go after him). But here on spofi, start a thread to bash another black man that we think is an asshole. My question is, why start a thread where you know 95% of the comments will not be sports/or skill related?What could anyones kids learn by reading this judgmental crap. And again(someone mentioned TO to make sure they lump the "crybaby" black men together)if Artest came to someones team and helped them win a championship, he'd be "not so bad". Why has no one mentioned how helpful artest would be to some teams. This is a "sports based website". Artest is not asking to be mentally examined by anyone. And yet, most of us fell (or cant resist) the need to offer our "expert" opinion on his mental state. Im telling you, some of this could be misconstrued as racist BS. And GMKIRK, shame. You are responsible for making sure that your teenage children dont act like ron artest. If you are letting ron artest raise your children, then i would say the problem resides within your mental state, not mr. artests. A great man named Charles Barkley said it best. They are not role models. Parents raise your own children, they are your responsibility. Allow me to pose a question, If your TV is "OFF" how can ron artest influence YOUR children. Take responsibility for you and your own. There are also great black men in the league. Why are there no posts about what Dikembe Mutombo* does. Or the charity that Tim Duncan supports. Or some post about how much black athletes give of their time and money. It took a disaster like katrina for a post to go up here about (i think it was warrick dunn) a black athlete giving. Otherwise, look at all the posts about TO, now this one. And to mention TO here in this thread is border line fucking ridiculous.What the hell does TO have to do with artest asking for a trade? I say if your not going to post about athlete's contribution to the game/sport they are involved in, or something positive, why post? This post isnt bettering anything. All the above posts say is artest is an ass. So what!! Some of our family members are an ass. I've been an ass at one point or another and i'll let you in on something, so have you!Maybe not to the level that artest has been. But he got his punishment for what he did. He couldnt work for a year and he lost alot of money. I just dont know what is gained by posts like this. Artest's a little off, and whats your point?Do you want him linched? R.I.P Mr. Richard Pryor. We'll miss you.
posted by RZA at 03:48 PM on December 11
RZA, you have a point on most of that, of course (although we did have a thread about Dikembe Mutombo just three days ago), although I suspect a lot of people stayed out of this thread because it looked like little more than an excuse to pass pointless judgement on Artest. There are a lot of people who want Ron Artest lynched for his temper, or his attitude, or the fact that he's rich and black, or whatever. Especially in the light of the recent to-do about Terrell Owens, some people with more net access than analytical skill are taking any excuse to vent on the guy. And let's face it: for a lot of people, turning the TV off is like turning off their oxygen supply. If you grew up sucking at the glass teat, then that's how you'll pacify your kids. It's easier than thinking. I ain't saying it's right, I'm saying that's the mindset that gets faceless net folk to pass judgement on talented Small Forwards with subpar temper-management and people-skills, and declaring them unfit for babysitting duty. This thread was doomed to be full of tut-tutting, RZA. That's why I'm guessing a lot of people gave it a pass. We shouldn't be doing that. It's important to call people on their shit whenever we see it. But it happens. Oh, and word on Pryor, another Capital-G Genius I wouldn't necessarily want sitting my kids. Heh.
posted by chicobangs at 04:08 PM on December 11
"Perhaps there's more to raising a kid than sitting down and watching the game on TV with him/her..." Blarp, sure am glad Im not your kid.
posted by GoBirds at 04:50 PM on December 11
Artest is a heck of a small forward and if I rooted for anyone but Detroit I'd want him on my team. The brawl at the Palace doesn't have anything to do with that though, I just happen to like our front line the way it is.
posted by Fade222 at 06:47 PM on December 11
He didn't seem to contribute much to his team last year, and I am not sure anyone has confidence that it won't happen again, so I guess that does affect peoples perception of his performance. To play the race card in this thread and try to make this out to be an opportunity to bash black athletes is RIDICULOUS. There are few posts on 'good things' athletes do, for the same reason there are no newspaper stories or TV specials or books about that topic - no one cares. If my TV is off, I'm not watching NBA basketball and we could be debating politics or art or which German sports car is the best. If I'm an owner, I know that Artest is one hell of a player. Always great defensively, and his offensive game has gotten stronger. Most times, I'd love him on my Knicks. BUT, why would I take the chance on the next Artest explosion? I am sure someone will want him on their team, he'll show flashes of brilliance, then implode, or maybe he'll finally grow up, but he's not a player that fans want to see, except for the same ones who watch car accidents.
posted by sfts2 at 07:39 PM on December 11
rza is right guys, artest wants a trade because he wants to play a bigger role in the offense, not because he is black or an asshole. but can he really be more involved in a knicks offense with marbury and crawford jacking up shots left and right?
posted by soonerfan at 07:42 PM on December 11
I would like to see The Knicks get Artest. I think the change in scenery might do him some good.
posted by sonomajoe at 08:41 PM on December 11
Ron Artest is an idiot. He is on a really good team and he wants to throw it away for no real reason. But if he did go to a diffrent team i would like to see him go to the Warriors and they could trade them mike dunleavy and another player for him. I would like to see him in a warriors uniform.
posted by NickNoodle at 10:38 PM on December 11
Come to the Lakers.Will give Indy. Deven George, Walton and Medavenko. Try the left coast you just might like it Kobe, Phil, Lamar and Smush. We could use a good stopper like Ron Artest.
posted by jhirth at 01:12 AM on December 12
Man, great thread check RZA. I saw somewhere that there is talk of a Peja for Artest trade. As a Kings fan I don't know if I'd be opposed to that. The Kings have long needed some hard-nosed players but bringing in Artest might take it too far. This being the same franchise that invited TO to summer camp. Sometimes it looks like Petrie is building the NorCal Blazers. But, sometimes a change of scenery can really do a guy good; see Webber. This would also do a lot for the Pacers and their immediate needs as they begin their post-Reggie Miller days. Peja is in the final year of his deal and will be a free agent. Artest has this year and next with a player option in 2008.
posted by geekyguy at 03:47 AM on December 12
I agree with the sentiment RZA, but I gotta disagree on those percentages. Artest would start on 100% of teams. Detroit is probably the only team that it might be debatable.
posted by panoptican at 04:04 AM on December 12
To play the race card in this thread and try to make this out to be an opportunity to bash black athletes is RIDICULOUS. To say that after two mentions of Terrell Owens seems a bit ridiculous. And Artest would start on close to 100% of teams.
posted by yerfatma at 06:05 AM on December 12
Artest isn't the first NBA player to have a SERIOUS meltdown. Latrell Spreewell did, and he came back and took the Knicks to the finals. Also if you disregard his "I need to feed my family" crap, he seems to have been a pretty solid citizen, who plays hard and leaves it all on the floor. Does this mean Artest would do the same thing? No, but it isn't like it would be unprecedented.
posted by Fade222 at 06:44 AM on December 12
I agree with most of the comments. Ron Artest is a self-absorbed, immature, ungratefull Ass I agree whole heartidly with those sentaments, but I would love to see this guy in the blue and orange. He is easily the third or fourth best defensive player in the legaue and he started picking up his offensive game (Approx 19 a gmae if memory serves me correct) Fade222 good point about about Latrell. I think his tenure in NY is what would make me so accepting for a guy like Artest. I have watched my Kincks suck for too long to care about the attitude of my players.
posted by HATER 187 at 08:27 AM on December 12
In semi related matters, is ANYONE gonna pick up Latrell?? I mean he doesn't deserve a huge contrct but at this point I think he might be willing to take less money. There has to be some team out there that could use this guy, right????
posted by Fade222 at 09:36 AM on December 12
Spree will get picked up by somebody who needs a boast to the playoffs. The T-wolves tried to do a sign and trade but couldnt get anytakers last summer. The one place I know where he wont wind up is with the T-wolves
posted by daddisamm at 10:47 AM on December 12
Screwball he may be but Sprewell with The Answer and Chris Webber? UhOh. Fuck TO.
posted by GoBirds at 12:31 PM on December 12
Geez I had no idea how much people hated TO doesn't matter what thread or sport someone eventually throws him under the bus.
posted by Fade222 at 01:32 PM on December 12
Trade him to the Lakers. We need help here in L.A.
posted by Joe88 at 02:24 PM on December 12
How would TO help the Lakers?
posted by HATER 187 at 02:30 PM on December 12
How would TO help the Lakers? Play catcher for Kobe?
posted by irunfromclones at 02:51 PM on December 12
Geez I had no idea how much TO hated every team he plays for doesn't matter what conference or sport he eventually throws someone under the bus.
posted by chicobangs at 03:12 PM on December 12
looks like he got his way
posted by irunfromclones at 03:37 PM on December 12
posted by Fade222 at 03:48 PM on December 12
Ron Artest will not necessarily help the Lakers, he just help the LAker be able to fill up the ground level seats at Staples Center. Ha, ha. Not.
posted by Joe88 at 04:10 PM on December 12
Er, yerfatma, maybe I'm missing something that everyone else knows, but what does the fact that TO was mentioned twice in posts have to do with race? Owens is a selfish idiot, whose mouth caused his team a chance to play for a championship this year. Ron Artest is selfish idiot whose lack of self-control caused his team a chance to compete for a championship last year. That too, is a common thread, not just the fact that they are rich black men. Hey, listen, I am as sick as the next guy of hearing about Owens (or Artest or plug in name of selfish, me-oriented sport or movie star), don't get me wrong, Ron Artest is one of the 10 best players in the league, and a complete tool and seems to be a nutjob, and WOULD start on the vast majority of teams in the NBA, except for (perhaps) SA or the Mavs or Pistons. So, what does this have to do with race? You couldn't have any conversation along this line about most players in the NBA, or football, or baseball if thats true, because the majority of players in all these are non-'white' or Hispanic. You might make a case that its CULTURAL bias (hip-hop culture versus something else) , but I don't see any evidence that any comment in this thread is racially (or culturally) motivated. Maybe, I'm just naive. BTW, watched Sprewell for several years here in NYC and with 1 or 2 minor exceptions was a very solid citizen with a great game on both ends, and I think the 'gotta feed my family' thing was fed by the media and the PJ thing was somewhat overblown. (PJ suspension was deserved but have you ever listened to PJ - I can see why someone might want to 'strangle' him)
posted by sfts2 at 04:32 PM on December 12
In an interview with The Indianapolis Star published Sunday, Artest said, "I still think my past haunts me here. I think somewhere else I'm starting fresh. I'm coming in with baggage, but people already know about it and how I'm going to be." So in other words, he'll be showing up and acting like the same self-absorbed, moronic jackass we've all come to know and respect.
posted by wfrazerjr at 04:32 PM on December 12
None of this has anything to do with race. I object to being called a rascist. White guys are morons too, Eric Lindros, Mike Mamula,Bill Romanowski, the list goes on and on. Moron-ism is not racially biased.
posted by GoBirds at 04:50 PM on December 12
Once you get out of the realm of sports, the list of moronic white guys grows quickly...
posted by sfts2 at 07:38 PM on December 12
How right you are sfts2,and if thats the case, i still dont see what 70% of this has to do with artest asking for a trade. SO,since we're already off topic, lets examine the list of white guys. 1st, fuck george bush,he's a moronic "C" student president who got alot of underprivileged men and women killed by sending them to war for oil. And as soon as those money hungry republicans got their hands on the oil, the price damn near doubled.Fuck Gov. Arnold swats-a-kneegrow, he should have granted clemency to Williams and allow him to continue the positive anti- gang work he was doing, but he decided to have him lynched instead(so he would stay in the good graces'of the redumblican party. And most of all, mother fuck that cracker agent Drew Rosenthief, his punk ass is nothing more than a glorified pimp. He's so damn assbackwards and nonathletic that his weak ass could never play any sport except maybe kickball. Jeremy Roenick can kiss my ass,he's nothing but a mouthy show off that cant score anymore.bill O'reily should be arrested for grabbing that girls ass. your boy rush limpball is a pill popping version of a crackhead(just like bret farve)and they both should live together and continue going thru the phone book looking for doctors. the people in france we're right, lance armstrong did take steroids. Oprah is better than jay leno. And this is guaranteed to piss middle america off. JEROME IGINLA IS THE BEST HOCKEY PLAYER IN THE NHL,AND BOOKER T IS THE BEST WRESTLER. And nascar sucks. Now, if this post is censored/edited in anyway, then all the negative posts about ron artest and TO(that arnt specifically related to how they play their sport)should be as well. You may say what does all of this have to do with the topic. well thats my question about TO being mentioned. He has nothing to do with this. All the above people were allowed to give their opinion,and exercise their 1st amendment right, so this is mine. if its altered or removed, and the other posts are not, we will all know why. Spofi will prove that it is a racially biased website.I hope it isnt.
posted by RZA at 12:20 AM on December 13
I love the Ron Artest comments when looking at them through the article that was in SI in thier preview issue. He said that he loved Indy and that he was a fixture in the community. I guess things change quick in the Heartland.
posted by ormistoncoyote at 03:55 AM on December 13
mother fuck that cracker agent Drew Rosenthief Who's racially biased? You are the only one in the entire thread to use a derrogatory comment based on a person's race.
posted by willthrill72 at 08:14 AM on December 13
RZA you should be banned for your ignorant and racially charged comments. I'm sure you are exactly the type of person Artest wants defending him.
posted by sadsadcubsfan at 08:42 AM on December 13
I also can't believe that my paper today wasted an entire page on that piece of garbage Tookie Williams. Did you forget that he murdered four people in two holdups and probably countless others, or does that mean nothing to you. RIP Albert Owens, Yen-I Yang, Chen Yang, and Yu-Chin Yang Lin. Those people did nothing and yet there not here today because Tookie is sorry. I hope you never RIP Tookie.
posted by sadsadcubsfan at 09:08 AM on December 13
wow everyone freaked out. My two cents, send Artest to Toronto.
posted by Fade222 at 09:36 AM on December 13
I hope you never RIP Tookie. But there's no hate in this thread, right?
posted by yerfatma at 10:01 AM on December 13
you know the funniest part so far.....this comment Who's racially biased? You are the only one in the entire thread to use a derrogatory comment based on a person's race See how people miss the entire point. They just dont consider anything racially biased unless "its directed toward their race"!! And then to add "RZA you should be banned for your ignorant and racially charged comments" Even when the racism is intentional to prove a point, it still offends people.However certain "types" of people only see it when its directed towards them. I think the capper on this thread is tookie williams being mentioned. sadsadcubsfan wanted to call him a n*gg*r so bad,he probably flipped off 3 different black people on his way to work. tookie being executed just wasnt enough for him.
posted by RZA at 02:03 PM on December 13
Well, there was no additional cruel and unusual punishment on top of the execution and the protesters outside were against his execution, so it lacked the class of the typical event. Really could have used a touchdown dance by the warden or something.
posted by yerfatma at 02:21 PM on December 13
Umm, what was this thred about again????
posted by Fade222 at 04:05 PM on December 13
Fade222, to answer your question, to the majority of posters(not all) it was a quick chance to bad mouth a mentally troubled black man. there was no interest at all in the actual link about artest wanting to be traded. I would estimate that 80% of the people posting did not read the associated story. If you took a survey where the people were forced to tell the truth, you would find that 95% hate ron artest and couldnt care less about what his desires are. They came to the thread to express they're jealousy and hatred toward someone they feel is beneath them,and yet makes more money than them. their sole purpose was to try to disguise their racially driven comments with what they think is witt . TO has been out of the headlines lately,Mike tyson's been off the map, so they have to find someone else to project their fear, hatred, and insecurity on.
posted by RZA at 07:11 PM on December 13
a mentally troubled black man I don't know if I see any evidence of that. The little I've seen of fair interviews with Artest (Real Sports comes to mind), he seems like a normal person. A normal person with poor impulse control. I'm not ready to excuse that as mental trouble.
posted by yerfatma at 06:30 AM on December 14
I get what you're saying, however i might be inclined to think otherwise based on his history of no self control. "My opinion" certainly is not intended to provide an excuse for ron artest,hell, i dont really like the guys game that much.(his game reminds me of anthony mason or a young dennis rodman although He's becoming a better scorer then they were). I certainly dont mean to indicate that artest is retarded. I just think he has the maturitiy of a 14 or 15 year old. when a person is as defensive as he is all the time you have to begin to question his emotional state of mind. And as anyone who has ever been in love(one of the most powerful emotions) can testify, when you're overly emotional, it definitly affects your ability to be rational. Is artests problem love? i doubt it.Is it anger, probably. However his ability to be rational obviously doesnt exist. And anyone who cant be rational,i must assume has some sort of mental and/or emotional deficiency. Would you define artests behavior as emotionally of mentally normal?
posted by RZA at 09:25 AM on December 14
Ok and now for the really important issue. When's his next CD coming out?
posted by Fade222 at 09:26 AM on December 14
Ron Artest would help any team that he goes to. The LAKERS have showed interest, George and Bynum, or Kwame and Bynum. Indiana is getting hosed but at least they would get something. The SACRAMENTO trade would be great for both teams. Artest could turn that team around, they are bottom five in the West and some Defense might help them. Peja could supply some scoring behind JO at the Pacers. Best deal I've seen for both sides. The KNICKS don't show much interest, however, Artest and Q-Rich's salaries match up, so there is a possibilty. The Knicks also need some help. You have to realize that wherever Artest is traded, it will be a very lopsided trade. He is the best guard-foward defender in the league and a very good offensive player. Keep your eyes on the team that gets Artest...
posted by Snikastyle at 12:43 PM on December 15
Philly could give up Lee Nailon and john salmons.
posted by RZA at 07:50 PM on December 15
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