I'll be happy for Bond's. Juiced or not, he still has the eye and the swing to make contact 754 times. The level of competition is so high in professional sports; you can't fault a guy getting the edge. ( remember these guys feed their families playing sports it's more than a game for them) I guarantee you he's not the only one (if he juices at all). Yet, no one else is in position to break the record. Give Bonds his due, and move on. Just because you juice does'nt mean you're going to make the hall-of-fame, be an all-star, or even make off the bench; you still have to have a significant level of talent and ability to play the game.
Okay, fair points, but how much of this was widely known? In fairness to Drood, not much. If Owens felt snubbed by anyone in 1936, it was FDR and the American administration in general. He received no communication of congratulation and no invite to the White House. FDR never publically acknowledged his achievments. In fact, until Eisenhower named him ambassador for sports in 1955, the White House had almost nothing to do with him. In 1936, Hitler didn't snub Owens, no matter what subsequent allied propaganda might have suggested. On the first day of the games, Hitler left early, and in so doing just missed the presentation of the first American gold (to black athlete Cornelius Johnson). The Nazis later said this was a scheduled departure and that it hadn't been intended to snub anyone, but the Olympic committee informed Hitler that in the future he should receive all of the winners or none at all, so thereafter, he didn't receive any of them (Owens included as he didn't start winning medals until the second day). Far from snubbing Owens, he wasn't even in the stadium. In fact, Owens himself had a word or two to say about all the fuss: "Hitler didn't snub meit was [FDR] who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram." - quoted in Triumph, a book about the 1936 Olympics by Jeremy Schaap I'm not apologising for Hitler, just making the point that the Nazis weren't the only one with a propaganda machine trying to make the other side look bad. So he turned out to be a mass-murdering fuckwit, but at the time it was widely thought that he'd put on a hell of an Olympic games. Sorry to get all serious. Loved the link, especially the one TBH quoted.
sprman92 there are plenty of people who complain about horse-racing. But there is a world of difference between an underground industry that exists in order to create pain and suffering and one that is regulated, with rules regarding the proper treatment of animals, that exists to see horses run. And the whole Barbaro issue isn't an issue. That horse was put down to prevent further suffering, not because it wouldn't make more money. Sure you can argue that we are breeding horses that are more prone to broken legs and injuries like that, but, in a majority of cases, the anatomy and physiology of a horse's leg means that is the bone is broken nothing can be done. /derail. Nice link
You guys are my history heroes, YYM, tt, and JJ. The image of Hitler and Owens sharing a tandem bike ride is bust-a-gut funny. This whole article is Onion-worthy, frankly.
Barry Bonds becomes feel-good sports story of the summer.
Don't need your respect whatever the horse name is it's dead, and did you see Vick there. 26, 000 is not rich, billions are made on horse racing. Barbaro is a issue, if he hadn't been racing he may still be alive and not put down to prevent further suffering. Don't think horses choose to get out there and race , the same as dogs don't choose to get in a ring and fight, can't have it both ways. Cruel is cruel
Barbaro is a issue, if he hadn't been racing he may still be alive But for the sport of horseracing, Barbaro would never have been bred in the first instance. There is a world of difference between a "sport" like dogfighting where the object is to leave some of the participants dead (where the cruelty is a funademental aspect) and a sport like horseracing where every possible care is taken to ensure the animals do not suffer.
Where was this guy back when we had all those Barbaro threads?
Still wading through the primordial goop?
Well put, JJ. I just blew soda out my nose!
Watch the results to make sure nothing evolves out of it.
Might not have been bred, but born yes and still alive. It might not leave them dead, but maimed and have to be put to death. Dead is dead, don't care how much care is taken to ensure the animals don't suffer. Look at how many have been put down in the last 4 years. When they are running at full speed and fall and break a leg or something I'm sure they are suffering, the same as you and I would be. By the way I love Primordial goop you should try it, it'll open your eyes. Or maybe you would like someone to put a saddle on your back and whip you and make you run at full speed and say it's not the same
Watch the results to make sure nothing evolves out of it. Too late.
You do know that they don't just pick the best horses they see lying around the place to be racehorses while the rest get sent off to be turned into My Little Pony, right? I'm guessing from your name that you're not very old, but surely you're old enough to know that when a mummy racehorse and a daddy racehorse love each other very much it doesn't really matter a damn because it's up to the breeders and the owners (and their bank managers) when it comes to which are paired together. I said it before, but I'll say it again - if the sport of horseracing didn't exist (as you seem to be saying it shouldn't) then Barbaro would never have been born - would never have lived - and, if you want to take that logic all the way and comfort yourself, would never have died. Look at how many have been put down in the last 4 years. Do you have those numbers? I'd like to see them. And while you're at it, maybe you could run them alongside the number of dogs that have died in the "sport" of dogfighting, which you seem to think is in some way comparable to horseracing. I appreciate your desire to see less suffering for animals - that's a good thing to want - but don't anthropomorphise them. Doing so shows a complete lack of respect for the animals you seem so keen to protect. Putting a saddle on me and riding me around would not be comparable (or, for most people, affordable) to putting a saddle on a racehorse and doing the same, just like horseracing is not comparable to dogfighting.
Now I'm all turned on again.
Too late. Classic. SPOFI. sprman92, the PETA thread is over here.
You do know that they don't just pick the best horses they see lying around the place to be racehorses while the rest get sent off to be turned into My Little Pony, right? Damn! So that's why I can't get a pony!
Putting a saddle on me and riding me around There are now two things in this thread I would pay five dollars to see.
Total or $5 each? At $10 a head, I think I can find a venue and promote that. Maybe not "promote", but at least "arrange".
Or maybe you would like someone to put a saddle on your back and whip you and make you run at full speed and say it's not the same So when did Spofi turn into a BSDM thread? If someone would have told me I would have brought my assless chaps, ball gag and whip.
See that's why you never assume anything because you would be wrong. And if you're OLD enough to do this then you look the numbers up, that's what i did. why bred horse for racing, when there are plenty of horse out there, sounds like slavery to me. Isn't that what this nation once did with a group of people to make a profit, was that right also.
why bred horse for racing, when there are plenty of horse out there, sounds like slavery to me. Wow. I can leave the command of the English aspect out of this. Because I've read enough of most of your writing, I know there's plenty of laughing going on each time a new post comes up. But to this sentence fragment, a great big WTF! One of the more incoherent, poorly thought out, and shabbily backed assertions I have ever read on this sight, and there have been many! But I'll bite. Tell me how a racehorse, or any animal bred to perform a job, be it a work ox, a seeing eye dog, or a milk cow, is equitable to an African-American slave. Tell me how these animals have an experience that can be on the same level. And maybe you could try to do it using complete sentences and capital letters like a big boy. And remember, to compare an animal to a man is a lot like comparing a man to an animal, so, careful!
You looked the numbers up? Great. Where are they? Or if you can't manage that, what were they? As for putting a saddle on me and riding me around, can I make a joke about being hung like a Grand National winner now, or does that come later?
sprman92, your desire to protect animals is admiralble, but your reasoning and rationale are absurd. You're not much of a debater, it appears. Perhaps the emotion of the subject makes it hard for you to author a measured, reasonable response. Step back. Breathe. And then toss some more raw meat into the wolf cage, 'cause JJ's funny when he eats. Also, proper English and punctuation are your friends. By the way, welcome to SportsFilter! We love animals here. Also, if you stick around long enough, you'll learn that you can't just throw arbitrary numbers around here to prove your point. Just like your math teacher, we require you to show your work.
Game, Set, Match, JJ. In straight sets no less, without giving up a point!
Giving up a point? No kidding. That was like watching 72 straight double faults.
Also, if you stick around long enough, you'll learn that you can't just throw arbitrary numbers around here to prove your point. Just like your math teacher, we require you to show your work. Nor do we call members "a-holes" when we're called on not showing our work. Well, that was fun.
That was like watching 72 straight double faults. JJ had to serve at some point, no?
Under SpoFi rules, JJ just elected to receive. Or, alternatively, never shoot a man when he's busy committing suicide.
"Total or $5 each? At $10 a head, I think I can find a venue and promote that." If you can get Bonds to hit the record, then throw a saddle on JJ and ride him around the bases, I'd go to $12.
