Sorry justgary, but I am tired of being accused of starting this bullshit, I believe I am entitled to rebuttal, and hence, I will respond to his disengenuous accusations, and would ask, that if you too, do not see if I make a point, and I would welcome your opinion. I respectfully say, that if one looks at the top of the page and reads the comments in chronological order, that you will see that others, including Lowell, wished death upon Castro, yet no smartassed remark was made by TBH. You will also see, here, and in many other threads, childish, asinine political slurs and references, made chiefly by Squealer of Animal Farm, I mean, commander cody, yet nothing smartassed was said about them, either. I made a statement, admittedly harsh, yet, as truthful as my feelings allowed, given the wording of the front pagepost, and Castro's history of Human Rights violations, though, it was hardly the first harsh opinion of a political figure on this thread. TBH uses it as an opportunity to throw my "proclamation" of being a Christian in my face, then, proclaims that he has publicly made no such proclamation, (although, it says quite plainly in his profile that he is Irish- Catholic),(and, given the time to research your comments, I am sure I could probably find "un-christian" remarks, and could absolutely find instances of blasephemy.) I can, and will, go to the trouble, if necessary, TBH, to prove that your remarks are just as hypocritical as any I have made. What, exactly, am I wrong about here, TBH? That my opinion that Castro suffering would in some small way equal justice for thousands, perhaps millions of people he has executed, persecuted, and oppressed? Sorry, but right or wrong, that is still my opinion. Or, perhaps, I am wrong in saying that he is a ruthless despot, or any of the other things I called him? Show me why he is not, don't just say "you are wrong", I am pretty open minded, and am able to ascertain what is truth and what is fiction just as well as you. You'll troll around posts, dropping your little neo-con nuggets trying to draw people out to argue. Go to my profile, and look at my comments, and point out when the last "neocon nugget" was "dropped", and, put it in this comments section, so that I may see what it is you are referring to. Go back here. At first, the thread was lighthearted, I was joking in my responses, but, starting with NoMich's insinuation that 99% of the people in North Carolina are ignorant rednecks, or whatever it was he meant, it got progressively worse, and, though, at no time, did I make any personal remarks, and was very fair in my comments, you apparently took issue to my words because you had no facts to refute anything I said. Much the same in the Faith Day post. If you claim something to be fact,(I know it was not you, TBH, I am merely trying to get this cleared up) then point me to what basically amounts to a summary of Dr LeVays research, and, Dr. LeVay himself is even saying that there is no evidence of any specific biological etiology for homosexuality, then, yes I will call you on that, too. Look at that thread, too,you will see that I was polite and curteous, until I had blatant lies and untruths hurled in my face. As I say, look at my comments on FPP's that are entirely sports related. Now, if you do not want to hear my side (further right than a Rush Limbaugh block-slice tee shot) as opposed to the prevailing leanings around here (further left than a Ted Kennedy pull-hook) of politics, religon, or fart forums, then, I suggest you don't post links to Cuba, Faith Day, and other such contentious topics, that are just inviting these kind of debates. And, if you wanna play rough, we can, but, I would prefer to bury the hatchet, and have fun writing and reading about sports. I would enjoy that very much.
Mj, I'll leave this, but delete anything else. This is way beyond the scope of sportsfilter.
the_black_hand: I prefer to do what I joined this site for in the first place...have fun writing and reading about sports. To other members of the same mind, I apologize for my complicity in this hijacking. "Complicity" doesn't cover it. You posted a link to an article about a Cuban-American ballplayer saying he hoped Fidel Castro died. Did you seriously expect that politics wouldn't take over the thread? If the idea of debate about the history of Communist Cuba isn't your idea of "hav[ing] fun writing and reading about sports," you should have hit the back button and forgotten about it. But you didn't. Ye who smelt it dealt it. I don't publicly pronounce myself a Christian, quote bible verse, and then wish a "slow, lingering, painful death" on another human being. So, as long as I don't start tongue-kissing God in public, then wishing horrible things on my fellow man, I don't think that expression applies. That's the beauty of not publicly adhering to well-known standards of behavior; you can point your finger at other people and shout "HYPOCRITE!" knowing well and good that they can't do the same to you because you have no standards to violate. Every Christian is a hypocrite every so often. We're not perfect, and don't claim to be, and if we should ever think we are, there are plenty of people like you who are more than eager to remind us with a obscene stream of invective and profanity. mjkredliner: I would prefer to bury the hatchet, and have fun writing and reading about sports. I would enjoy that very much. For all the teeth-gnashing that goes on around here about politics and religion taking over the threads, people sure don't do their best to avoid it. We probably don't agree on everything, but I think we're alike in that when someone starts whacking hot-button topics with a sledgehammer, we don't think they have the right to say "STOP!" when we react. cc: justgary
I hate what this place has become. As in this thread or all of SportsFilter? Comment icon posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 1:53 PM CDT on August 5 As far as the last 10 days, all of Sportsfilter.
Mj, I'll leave this, but delete anything else. This is way beyond the scope of sportsfilter. Well, that takes care of one source. Insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting a different result. Apologies for the snark, gary, this isn't meant in any way to detract from your well-intentioned efforts, but...it is insane, you know.
Arguing politics on Sportsfilter is like going out and pitching a no-hitter in your local Little League. Maybe you can do it, but no one's impressed and they'd prefer you didn't. If you want to discuss these topics, there are plenty of places. Metafilter would certainly be a good one. It's strange to me anyone would want to discuss politics here rather than on a site where you could get a decent back-and-forth.
My point exactly.
And you're trying to prove it by counter-example?
where? Read the FPP, it is definitely a political subject. Hence, it is fair game for political discussion.
Nor, did I initiate the political overtones in the thread.
The FPP concerns a partly political subject, mjk; however, it is still on SportsFilter. yerfatma's right; if your "point" corresponds with what he said, you are indeed proving it by counterexample. (oh, and by the way? that "edit comment" button? it's a handy cure for l'esprit de l'escalier, with which you seem much afflicted)
lbb, neither you, nor your yerfatma, can for some reason, see that A. I did not initiate the topic, nor the comments that were made prior to mine, or that, B. You are not applying the same criticism to the people that did. You seem to be afflicted with a case of wanting to read only what corresponds to your line of thinking. If my opinions upset you so, then don't bring up political topics, then bash one side of the story and not expect a different view. Unless, you happen to live in Cuba......
A. I did not initiate the topic, nor the comments that were made prior to mine, or that, B. You are not applying the same criticism to the people that did. A. Maybe your mom cared for that line of reasoning, but mine never bought it. B. Where am I calling anyone out? I said what I said without naming anyone and without excluding anyone. You then jumped into say "My point exactly", which is at best a complete non sequitor and at worst simply being obtuse.
I would be glad to discuss this in a civil debate LostInDaJungle, my e-mail address is mjkredliner@sbcglobal.net.
Part B of your argument is absolutely correct, yerfatma. I apologize.
mjk, You either believe it is immoral to wish someone dead or not... Not much debate for me there. I'd go to PoFi if I wanted politics. Like I said, if he wants to say it privately, or feel it to his core that's fine. I just don't think telling the local newspaper about it is anything but uncooth and self-serving. It also reflects poorly on the org he works for.
I'm sorry, LostInDaJungle, but I posted that after seeing a post that was deleted either by you or admin, RE: The Kennedy Administration's act of terror on Cuba and a quote from Noam Chomsky. And, we will all die...
