Knicks trade Davis- get Rose: In another trade by I. Thomas, the Kincks aquire Rose, a first round pick, and cash. Does this trade make the Knicks ANY better?
posted by redsoxrgay to basketball at 08:28 AM - 27 comments
Does this trade make the Knicks ANY better? I think there was another team involved, too.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 08:41 AM on February 04
Jalen hated Larry Brown before, he will hate him again. Larry Brown is a fool for leaving the Pistons.
posted by Bill Lumbergh at 08:46 AM on February 04
Antonio will be a Bull in just a few days
posted by wwarrior at 09:00 AM on February 04
Care to expand on that, wwarrior? Care to try speaking English, defrag?
posted by DrJohnEvans at 09:09 AM on February 04
Does Isiah know that there is a salary cap in the NBA? Seriously? The Knicks payroll is 125 million now, with Dallas second at 96 million. And the Knicks are on the books for 110 million next year. And his team blows. Yeesh. Oh, and Dr John, I think wwarrior is referring to something like this side column on this article, where it says that Davis may negotiate a buyout with Toronto and then go to Chicago.
posted by blarp at 10:33 AM on February 04
Well i think that jalen rose would be a good trade but he needs help he cant do it on his on it was a stupid trade because toronto has a better team.
posted by fatpack23 at 11:00 AM on February 04
I don't think Isiah cares . His 7 million is going in the bank even if they fire him and they probably will . He needs to call his ex front court teammate Joe Dumars and get some pointers on how to build a viable NBA franchise .
posted by alvinthefirst at 11:03 AM on February 04
"[Rose and Brown] were paired briefly in Indiana and mixed about as well as peanut butter and tacos." Nice. Thanks, blarp. The idea of a buyout has me wondering. The Star doesn't seem to think it likely: However, it is widely expected Davis will ultimately report to the Raptors for several reasons. He is still owed almost $7 million (all figures U.S.) in salary for this season and could forfeit it if he doesn't report; sources indicate he'd like to play at least another year after this one and wouldn't likely get a sniff if he didn't finish out the season; and he has a close relationship with Raptor coach Sam Mitchell. I guess Davis doesn't have the built-in "my owie hurts" excuse that 'Zo did, so he could be penalized for not reporting. How do buyouts and forfeited salary affect the cap?
posted by DrJohnEvans at 11:05 AM on February 04
I think that the Knicks did get a valuable player in Rose, but not a neccessary one for their team. They need some leadership from someone who is good and isn't always hurt. Allan Houston is a dead weight right now, at 19 million a year. So is Penny. The Knicks have a problem with paying EVERYONE too much money. They don't negotiate well enough. Marbury, J James, Q RIch, Penny, Houston, Curry are all getting paid too much. Those players add up to almost 70 million. Larry Brown better figure something out soon, because his team is the most inconsistent.
posted by Snikastyle at 11:09 AM on February 04
I didnt include Toronto- because it makes them worse..... if thats possible. They gave up a pick, and Rose just to aquire Davis?!? Dvis is washed up, overpaid, and old. I understand they wanted to free up cap space, but they gave a pick- thats bad management, especially if your trying to rebuild.
posted by redsoxrgay at 11:12 AM on February 04
The Knicks look worse and worse as the season goes on. Something is really rotten in the Big Apple. How much longer will Isiah Thomas be able to hold onto his job?
posted by snaphook21 at 11:19 AM on February 04
Red's Ox, the pick that Toronto gave up is Denver's, so it'll end up being a late first-round pick. In a mediocre draft, as this one is projected to be, that's not much of a loss, especially when you still have your early lottery pick. Is there some sort of contract guarantee that teams have to offer their first-round picks that doesn't have to be offered to later picks? I've heard something like this, which would make the move an even smarter one from Toronto's side, but I'm not enough of an NBA guru to be able to say.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 11:32 AM on February 04
Jalen is a great player, but the Knicks are far from better. Larry Brown is only making them worse and he wont be hanging around very long, not to mention Isiah Thomas' getting accused of sexual assault, the Knicks wont be a legitimate contenter in the next 5 seasons.
posted by Clevelander32 at 11:35 AM on February 04
I didnt include Toronto- because it makes them worse..... if thats possible. They gave up a pick, and Rose just to aquire Davis?!? They gave up an extra pick and an expensive player to clear a lot of room under the cap. This was done so they could sign Bosh AND one other player. They have to prove to Bosh that they have a plan and will be contending in the future, and bringing in another quality player (with the cap room) might just do it.
posted by grum@work at 11:59 AM on February 04
Davis will be a Bull in afew days. He has to in order to visit his wife in jail.
posted by funeralguy61 at 12:51 PM on February 04
Take a look at Sam Smith's article in the Chicago Tribune this AM. Makes a lot of sense for both teams. Davis for Tim Thomas and draft picks and money.
posted by wwarrior at 12:59 PM on February 04
Not necessarily related to this, but all I know about Sam Smith is that Mark Cuban says he's full of shit.
posted by blarp at 02:22 PM on February 04
I'd think that Jalen is a better (and more effective) player than Antonio about now. Dunno enough about the Knicks to know if the role Jalen would fill is worth the trade though. So, at least the Knicks win the trade for getting the best player. But the Raptors also win because Jalen was their highest paid player and he wasn't a starter in about half the games. They've freed up some payroll room and that's what exactly what they need to do.
posted by gspm at 04:10 PM on February 04
This is agood move. Marbury can now move over to SG where he will be unstopper and Rose move over to PG.The problem with this trade if they (NYK) don't bring him back(Rose) then they will have to get another PG. they can use the two draft pick for next year also.when Marbury get well the (NYK) will be right there in the thick of things..Give D. Lee more playing time and let see whats happen.
posted by nate at 06:23 PM on February 04
jalen part bad but makes it worth it with the pick especially fro one of the highroundes of toronto becz they are so bad
posted by Barry-from-H-town at 10:09 PM on February 04
jalen part bad but makes it worth it with the pick especially fro one of the highroundes of toronto becz they are so bad It's not Toronto's pick. It's Denver's pick, which shouldn't be that high in the draft (currently the 3rd seed in the West).
posted by grum@work at 10:24 PM on February 04
The Michigan Fab Five haven't impressed me since they turned pro. Rose will hate Larr Brown , and Brown has enough players that are not on his side in the pitiful excuse they call Knicks basketball. Besides, Brown can only work with what Isaiah gives him. And between his lousy trades, salary cap, and sexual lawsuit, Isaiah may not have his job too long. And with his coaching record, that doesn't bode well for Isaiahs future.
posted by roberts at 06:24 AM on February 05
If the Knicks don't start winning a little bit soon, I will lose interest completely. They plan to make a couple more big trades. They show interest in Al Harrington, good luck... and also Theo Ratliff. They have a LOT of pieces that they could get rid of. They need to lose Allan Houston, Q-Rich, Penny, and Jerome James. I would say Stephon, but I think he could use a second chance. Atlanta and Portland need help inside and out, so there should be some trades soon.
posted by Snikastyle at 05:46 PM on February 05
I watched my Houston Rockets beat the Knicks, and while I have hope for New York, I have to say that Larry Brown finally got himself a Rubiks Cube he can't master right away. I know that Brown will find the right rotation, but this squad is a year away. Rose is a nice piece (along with the three rookies and Eddy Curry), and I feel that this team may compete next year.
posted by chemwizBsquared at 11:32 PM on February 05
Yeah- they played tough against Houston. The yshould trade Crawford and Marbury for maybe someone like Ratliff, and another player. Keep Q Rich on the Bench, start Curry at center, and Frye at PF for now.
posted by redsoxrgay at 03:05 PM on February 06
I don't think they have to give up one of those two players for Theo Ratliff. Theo is good, but not Jamal or Marbury good. Q Rich has shown some improvement since the beginning of the year when he was the biggest dissappointment of the NBA but still, they could deal him and be just fine.
posted by Snikastyle at 12:20 PM on February 07
Isiah never had a track record of building a team. This is a good move for the Knicks but it doesn't offset all the bad moves allready made.Larry Brown needs to check his ego, so does Stephon The Knick core is getting younger which is good for the future but for right now I have to look across the river to the Nets if I want to see halfway decent basketball.
posted by doggstarr at 12:30 AM on February 08
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