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June 24, 2006

Oilers GM Lowe says Pronger has requested trade : Oilers GM Lowe admitted Saturday that defenseman Chris Pronger has officially requested a trade and that the team has heard from his agent.

posted by wingnut4life to hockey at 10:29 PM - 58 comments

Wow, flip a coin. I wouldn't mind seeing him or Chara in a Wings sweater.

posted by wingnut4life at 10:30 PM on June 24

This is sad. The Oilers have a real good thing going, and Pronger is (or was) a linchpin of that team. There's no team's sweater Pronger wouldn't look good in. Kevin Lowe is right to be patient. This could be a no-lose situation if he plays it right.

posted by chicobangs at 10:36 PM on June 24

Wings...wings...wings...wings...wings...wings...wings... Maybe if I chant it long enough it'll come true! Wings...wings...wings...wings...

posted by commander cody at 11:05 PM on June 24

In other draft-day trade news: Pavol Demitra goes to the Wild. Alex Tanguay goes to the Flames for Jordan Leopold & picks. Patrik Stefan goes to the Stars for Sami Kapanen. (Whoa.) And (I think this is good news) Andrew Raycroft is now a Leaf.

posted by chicobangs at 11:16 PM on June 24

Other news I just found: 'Canes sign Brind'Amour to 5-year deal On topic: A source familiar with the team told ESPN.com some time ago that Pronger's wife was unhappy with the prospects of a long stay in Edmonton. Hey honey, you married a professional hockey player, kaka happens. Be glad you didn't marry someone like Mike Sillinger, and had to move 11 times. I have never been to Edmonton, so I don't know what's so bad about it. It's a shame though (for the Oilers), after such a good run.

posted by MrFrisby at 11:49 PM on June 24

Edmonton's an excellent town. There's lots of stuff to do, and for a place so geographically remote, there's plenty of festivals, theater productions, touring bands and quirky little happenings, all summer long. But yeah, you do have to really like winter to make a go of it there.

posted by chicobangs at 12:00 AM on June 25

This is sad. The Oilers have a real good thing going, and Pronger is (or was) a linchpin of that team. This is sad indeed. I don't know, I guess I'm just an emotional guy. I saw Chris, in person, crying when his team didn't win the Cup. He was thisfuckingclose to winning it. And now he wants out? I will never fully understand professional sports. Hell, even the collegiate level is seeing athletes leave, seemingly, early. Just ask Roy Williams. On edit: jeez I need to stop supporting my local brewrey before I post my fragmented thoughts on this here Internet.

posted by NoMich at 01:08 AM on June 25

Wild Wild Wild!!!! couple first round picks.... Chris Pronger... and then..... Roloson can sit and watch his old team win the cup.

posted by RadioZombie at 01:19 AM on June 25

We're shit talking already? Well, in that case: Redneck Hockey and all that bullshit. Fuck you, we have the Cup. How 'bout that? You got a whole year of dealing with that if you want. Until then, go Hot Spurs. On edit: jebus, y'all got to try this new phat phriar brew that Edenton has going on. Also, a local grocery store has started selling Molson XXX.

posted by NoMich at 01:45 AM on June 25

Well, the Cup is moving (ever so slowly) northward, so there is that.

posted by chicobangs at 02:21 AM on June 25

ducks ducks ducks. it's going to be the ducks! I can feel it.

posted by captaincavegirl at 03:23 AM on June 25

Weedy we've found your Ducks fan.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 05:41 AM on June 25

Pronger wouldn't like going to the Ducks. His wife doesn't like their new uni's.

posted by wingnut4life at 07:51 AM on June 25

How 'bout that Bruins trade? "Well, we have enough depth at goalie we can trade Razor. Let's see if we can get a goalie in return!"

posted by yerfatma at 09:11 AM on June 25

All I have to say is: WTF, Raycroft? The Leafs give up a perfectly good goalie prospect (granted, they have a few, but still wait until their value rises) for Raycroft? Fucking Ferguson. Oh yeah, too bad about that Pronger guy. So his wife was happy with staying in St.Louis, but not Edmonton? Bring out the whip.

posted by mkn at 09:48 AM on June 25

Something is suspicious here. I wonder if it is a Rob Brown situation, where he had to be gotten out of Dodge, not because of his wife, but because he was, uh, shooting on the five-hole of another player's wife. Pronger has huge trade value, after the season and playoffs he had, and being under a long term contract at fairly reasonable $. So the oilers could trade him for great young, cheap players, and use the 3 million or so differential to sign another decent player. So they might yet come out of this smelling ok. After all, Carolina won the cup with a no-name defence, and the oilers would still have .... Jason Smith., who is really under-rated. Maybe they can trade him back to St. Louis for Brewer! I'm not sure goalie prospect values really rise unntil they have shown they can do it in the NHL (and to do that, you have to play him, and that risks losing a bunch of games) -- as it is, getting a proven NHL goalie in Raycroft for a prospect goalie who might join the boneyard of prospects, or might be great, is not a bad deal -- though Raycroft may have already jumped the shark, so to speak. I mean, the Flames only gave a second rounder for Kipper.

posted by rumple at 10:18 AM on June 25

Well, Raycroft is a proven #1 who's not yet finished in the NHL, which is something the Leafs didn't have. And they do have three or four legit prospects on the farm, so even if Razor doesn't deliver, it buys the kids a bit more gestation time. I like the trade (from the Leafs' end; I have no idea what the Bruins were thinking, unless they're making cap room or have some hotshot replacement ready to go). And there are a few Ducks fans who post here. Capt. Girl is not alone.

posted by chicobangs at 10:19 AM on June 25

What a bad day for Edmonton. Pronger was undisputedly the best player in these playoffs that didn't wear a catching glove. He has a high trade value, and you're going to get some good prospects, but you're not going to get equal value. How could you? He's the best defenseman (again) in the NHL. Yep - better than Lidstrom and Nedermayer. Terrible news. I have no idea where he'd go to, because he could go anywhere (provided his fucking wife agrees - what a lame excuse). Though I would be a bit surprised if he stayed in the Western Conference- the deal would have to be really good. Sorry wingnut and cody, I don't think he's a Red Wing unless you want to say goodbye to Datsyuk or Zetterberg and a defenceman. Chico - for the record - I think the Raycroft deal is classic Leafs buffoonery. Pay the lowest dollar amount for the Fiat - because it sorta resembles a Ferrari and was running pretty good three years ago. Sure it didn't cost them much (Rask could be good, but they have Pogge and they're convinced he's the second coming), but it also smacks of a deal that could be summed up in the board room by some asshole saying "It makes the most financial sense." Meanhwhile, the Canucks get Luongo. Fucking Leafs.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 10:31 AM on June 25

I think the Leafs deal is a good one. With Pogge and Rask, the Leafs were going to end up having to make a decision in the future. Picking up Raycroft is just accelerating the decision to "now" instead of "later". It'll give Pogge another chance to refine his game in the minors, and the Leafs now have 3 NHL-proven goalies (or 2 and Tellqvist, if you feel like I do) to work with. Besides, it's Boston. If they traded him away, I'm sure he'll be a great player when he gets out of Beantown.

posted by grum@work at 11:34 AM on June 25

Hey honey, you married a professional hockey player, kaka happens. Wow, hope you aren't married, because your wife's thrown in with a real dick. If Pronger chooses to take his wife's feelings into consideration, good for him -- you can find Bryan McCabe and many other athletes doing exactly the same thing. Or maybe she wants to go back to St. Louis -- you know, the town that athletes don't want to leave because of the great fans and relatively low cost of living? In other news, sorry to see Bryan Little go one freaking draft pick before the Leafs could pick him up, but he'll fit in well with the Thrashers. I'll see if perhaps I can get an interview with him in the next few days and post it here. I disagree with the Leafs picking up Raycroft, but for completely different reasons. I don't think Toronto's going to be any good this season anyway, so I was hoping they would play Tellqvist and Aubin to drive up their values, then deal one or both at the deadline for something of value. If the Leafs felt a need to go out and get a goaltender, though, this is a good move. Rask is definitely expendable and isn't even the hot pipes prospect for Toronto. Raycroft is better than he showed last season, and I have it on pretty good authority that he tried to play through a relatively serious injury and succeeded in making it worse. He's a local boy from Belleville, ON, and in the end, what have the Leafs really done to hurt themselves? They've dealt a good goaltending prospect (which they have in spades at the moment) for a guy who is two years remove from being Rookie of the Year. I'll take that any day.

posted by wfrazerjr at 11:40 AM on June 25

Oh, and I'd ask people bitching about Vancouver getting Luongo and the Leafs getting Raycroft -- what do you think Toronto should have offered? What could they have offered? Keenan is madly in love with Bertuzzi, and I'm sure he thinks he can return him to form (you know, 30-40 goals and breaking necks). He also gets a solid defenseman and Alex Auld. Vancouver gets Luongo -- for a year, and then either loses him or has to pay him up the wazoo on a long-term deal. Why would the Leafs do that with Pogge in the pipeline?

posted by wfrazerjr at 11:45 AM on June 25

Bert was going into last year in Vancouver and probably wouldn't have re-signed, given the psychological issues and possibility of Nazzie leaving. So the UFA trade is one for one, in essence. meanwhile, the have Schneider as a hot goalie prospect and maybe be buying time for him to develop. Even out of form, Bert is a 25 goal, 70 point kind of guy who makes space. minus 19 though.... And yeah, the Leaves: who on earth would they trade for Luongo? Sedin? McCabe? They just don't really have any attractive players. Which bothers me not at all, mind you.

posted by rumple at 12:01 PM on June 25

I'm not suggesting that the Leafs had a prayer in getting Luongo. Of course not. They don't have the players to offer. Story of my life. But the Raycroft deal is just another typical Leaf hockey move - low cost, low risk, low impact. Of course, we actually give up a good prospect to get a suspect professional, but really the price was right. It seems we as fans are conditioned to these deals now. They're always the Leaf kinda moves. They are touted as good hockey solutions but seem to me to just give the same result: We have to hope that Raycroft improves upon his recent play, and regains his form. Sounds familiar, you know? This organization just does not take any risks. Now, instead of having four goalies heading into camp with the job up for grabs - we have four goalies going in to camp with the job up for grabs. Nothing really changes. And if they turn around and deal Kaberle, Tucker and Ian White for Pronger I'll recant it all. But I do think the Leafs have to make some big moves. Anyway - my whole point is really that this is a minor move - getting Raycroft. If it works out "best case scenario" (i.e. Raycroft is awesome) then great. But reallly the money's on doorstop until Pogge gets here - hopefully one year from now. Vancouver gets Luongo -- for a year, and then either loses him or has to pay him up the wazoo on a long-term deal. Why would the Leafs do that with Pogge in the pipeline? Because Luongo is really good. Pogge is an unknown. If his highest ceiling is that he gets to be as good as Roberto Luongo - then great. Also, here's Roberto Luongo himself. It's not like he's over the hill - he's entering his prime. (And Bertuzzi isn't even close to his equal in importance on the ice - it's a wicked trade for Vancouver) I'll never understand the mentality of keeping unkown players for known players in their prime. But, the Leafs couldn't have gotten him. Sundin is too old. My guess is that the Canucks sign him. $6 million a year, four or five years.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 12:09 PM on June 25

It won't do you any good to get Roberto Luongo if you don't have any players around him -- ask the Panthers about that one -- and you certainly wouldn't have had anything left in the cupboard if the Leafs had made a run at him. So what's the complaining about? As for the goalie situation, I'm not sure how you think the job is up for grabs. Raycroft is the No. 1 unless he drops his pants and shits on Paul Maurice's forehead during camp. Aubin and Tellqvist fight for the back-up job, but Aubin's already signed to be paid one-way for the season and I think that was done for a reason. Tellqvist gets a chance to show a little something, and then he hits the trading block also.

posted by wfrazerjr at 12:52 PM on June 25

This seems to be the thread to discuss yesterdays NHL Draft even though it's mostly seems to be "Leafs" chatter. Hey Pronger would look great in a Bhawks Sweater but I'm not holding my breath waiting for Talon to grow a set of ______ (fill in the blank). I watched the entire 1st round on OLN and thought I had been rid of Pierre but there he was spilling the beans on all the draft time trades and I was pleasantly surprised he did a good job for the most part. The TSN interview with the GM and coach of the Kings was really great and I was shocked to hear they're "rebuilding". Sure enough they started trading current players to move up in the draft and the Dimitra trade to Minn. for the Wild's #17 pick and Patrick Sullivan. They used that to pick up C Trevor Lewis. Having seen Sullivan play in the the "AHL Rookie of the Year" in person several times I couldn't believe the Wild let him get away for the 31 year old Demitra along with the #17. Hopefully Demitra's eye injury is behind him as he is really a fine player and Wild Fans won't get to down watching Sullivan and Lewis light up the Western Conf. in a few years. As far as the Leaf's acquisition of Raycoft I'm totally surprised that Ferguson pulled the trigger and at least he did something to try and help his team right now. It was frustrating watching Chicago playing it safe and sitting on they're hands. I know Toews is going to be a excellent NHL player in a few years but hey we need some help right now. Chicago has some excellent young prospects and Toews joined Bhawks prospects Cam Barker, Dan Bertram and Mike Boland on Team Canada in the Jr. World Championships. He was also the youngest player on the ice last year when he helped take U. of North Dakota to the Frozen Four. Jack Skille last years #1 for Chicago won the Frozen Four with the U. of Wisconsin and isn't leaving U Dub to join the Bhawks this year either, so it's more sit and wait for Blackhawks fans when someone like Nicklas Backstrom is probably ready to step in right now and play and goes with the next pick to the Capitals ....... ugh. Did anyone notice Ovechkin as GM for the Caps announcing they're first 2 picks? He looked extremely pleased to be there and his joint interview with Backstrom was outstanding. I give the Washington Caps A+ for they're draft day performance. Landing Backstrom then getting Neuvirth (G) and Brousard (RW) with #34 + #35 and to further rub salt into the rest of the league they picked up Semen Varlomov (G) the Russian Phenom with pick # 23 from Nashville. I could go on but I'm still depressed thinking of Chicago's draft. I'll leave Detroit's seeming indifference in this draft for you Wings fan to digest.

posted by skydivedad at 01:02 PM on June 25

Just a quick question for our Canadian members. When the Leafs were introduced to the fans in Vancover for their pick Ferguson was roundly booed. The TSN announcers went on to explain "it's a Canadian thing" and the US audience wouldn't understand. OK I'm trying to understand but please explain the animosity. Last time I looked the 2 cities are almost an entire continent apart, what gives?

posted by skydivedad at 01:18 PM on June 25

Well, the Cup is moving (ever so slowly) northward, so there is that. Posted by chicobangs at 2:21 AM CDT on June 25 Bah, don't mind me. I was just drunkenly posting out of me arse.

posted by NoMich at 01:29 PM on June 25

Skydive, it's like how in the USA, people just naturally hate New York. Toronto is the biggest city in Canada, the economic powerhouse of the country, all the major banks have their head office there. Oh, and jealousy, Toronto is one of the great cities of the world, culturally and ethnically very diverse, and as a result the yokels from the hinterland dislike the city.

posted by tommytrump at 01:30 PM on June 25

skydivedad: I think it boils down to a couple of things: - everyone in Western Canada hates Toronto. Since Ontario is the financial centre of Canada, and since Toronto thinks it represents the cultural capital of Canada, and since the West has always been treated as a resource to be exploited by central Canada, we are bred out here to hate Toronto. - so to hate the Leaves is bred in the bone - further, we have to put up with dumbass media concentration on Toronto and the Leaves even though they have sucked since dinosaurs walked the earth, even though they have always had the resources to build a good team, they are played as the spoilt rich kid who gets the nice bike but doesn't know how to ride. Meanwhile, low budget western teams routinely kick their rich pimply ass. - the fricking CBC puts the fricking Leaves on Hockey Night in Canada every fricking weekend. You could have a great Edmonton-Calgary game on, and in BC we would get the Leaves. Or, say, Edmonton-Colorado, and they would give us Toronto vs. Columbus. - Leaves games were the only ones in High Definition, as if anyone wanted to see that sorry collection of losers in anything other than fuzzy focus. - Vancouver is full of rich, retired Leaves fans from back east who turn out by thousands when the Leaves play in Vancouver and chant their dumbass chants. Meanwhile when Vancouver was struggling these "fans" wouldn't shell out for the home team. Fuck'em and the Peach BMWs they drive up in. Hmmm, I think that about covers it for now.

posted by rumple at 01:36 PM on June 25

Well, it certainly explains my 'yokels' remark. And, I think it's spelled 'Leafs'.

posted by tommytrump at 01:46 PM on June 25

Ah......... that explains it......... Thanks Guys....Hope I didn't stir the pot to much with that question.

posted by skydivedad at 01:49 PM on June 25

heh. True haters (and the dictionary) spell it Leaves, and only Leaves. But really, if you consider Vancouver the hinterland, then it explains my rant, no?

posted by rumple at 01:56 PM on June 25

it's like how in the USA, people just naturally hate New York. Hate ny? All I hear about is people wanting to move there. I see "I Love NY" tshirts at least once a day, and I'm no where near ny, so your comment doesn't ring true at all from my experiences.

posted by justgary at 02:11 PM on June 25

I must be wrong then.

posted by tommytrump at 02:17 PM on June 25

> the dictionary) spell it Leaves, and only Leaves. The plural of foliage is leaves. The plural of, say, gold coins is leafs. Eats shoots and leafs.

posted by Philfromhavelock at 02:20 PM on June 25

Hmm, they should put a loonie on their jersey, then.

posted by rumple at 02:26 PM on June 25

Just had a look at the preliminary 2006/2007 Season Schedule and it seems the Leafs don't travel any further West then St. Louis and will not face any Pacific Division Teams at all and the Oilers, Canucks, Wild, Flames and Aves have visits in the Air Canada Center. Toronto visit Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Columbus and Nashville. Last season the Leafs didn't face the Wings, Blackhawks or Blues. (Original 6 Teams should play each other every year as far as I'm concerned) Anyway, Toronto has zero late games. Should make the TV guys happy as the Leafs will play no later then 8:30 EST and only in 3 games. (Chicago, Nashville and ST. Louis) The remaining 79 games are all in the Eastern Time Zone. Once again it seems Bettman can't excercise some common sense.

posted by skydivedad at 02:43 PM on June 25

I have a better idea. The original 6 (Bruins, Leafs, Redwings, Blackhawks, Rangers, Canadians) should be in their own Division!

posted by skydivedad at 02:53 PM on June 25

As for the goalie situation, I'm not sure how you think the job is up for grabs. Raycroft is the No. 1 unless he drops his pants and shits on Paul Maurice's forehead during camp. I agree he'll start as the number one - but this guy lost his number one position in Boston, what convinces you that he's sooooo good that the same thing can't happen here? If you listed the available goalies right now, I think he's behind Nabokov, Giguerre and Marc Denis. If you don't like any of those guys, most of them lost their job, too, then what is so good about Raycroft? Ah, it's a stop-gap solution at best.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 03:38 PM on June 25

I have a better idea. The original 6 (Bruins, Leafs, Redwings, Blackhawks, Rangers, Canadians) should be in their own Division! I'd vote for that! Then in the playoffs the rest of the NHL can fight it out for the honor of facing the top team of the Original Six divison for the Cup. Works for me.

posted by commander cody at 04:00 PM on June 25

The "Original Six" is nothing more than a marketing strategy designed to make baby boomers feel nostalgic and buy another line of merchandise. If you want to talk about the NHL's original teams, you want the Montreal Canadiens, Montreal Wanderers, Ottawa Senators, Quebec Bulldogs and the Toronto Arenas.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 04:26 PM on June 25

Vancouver gets Luongo -- for a year, and then either loses him or has to pay him up the wazoo on a long-term deal. If that year included winning the Cup then I'd take it. My guess is that the Canucks sign him. $6 million a year, four or five years. Do it Nonis! I have a better idea. The original 6 (Bruins, Leafs, Redwings, Blackhawks, Rangers, Canadians) should be in their own Division! That's an intriguing idea--8 games a year between the Wings/Habs especially seem like they would be fun to watch; maybe a major network would even broadcast them in the U.S. (or not.)

posted by curtangle at 04:38 PM on June 25

Actually my Good Doctor as you know the "Original 6" is a misnomer but not for the reasons you cite. They are the 6 surving teams of the NHL from it's 1st full decade of existence. (the 1920's) They are the 6 remaining NHL Teams that survived the Great Depression and existed from 1942 thru to league expansion in 1967 as the entire league. Montreal Canadians (1909 Joined NHL 1917) Toronto Maple Leafs (1917) Boston Bruins (1924) Detroit Red Wings (1924) Chicago Black Hawks (1924)....... They became the Blackhawks in 1986) New York Rangers (1926) The Teams you cite are indeed "Original" NHL Members and the League added expansion teams through-out the 1920's including some of the Teams we now know as the "Original 6" with the Bruins becoming the 1st American Team. Other Teams included the Montreal Maroons, Pittsburh Pirates and the New York Americans. They reached a 10 Team league but only 6 survived by 1942. The term "Original 6" dates to the expansion that occured in 1967 long before the term "baby boomer" was coined. I do agree with you that it has now become a marketing tool to sell NHL Merchandise but the term "Original 6" was mostly used by Sports Writers to describe the Teams that existed before the NHL expansion. Being old enough to have seen games between the Black Hawks and the 5 other NHL Hockey Teams in the 1960's I was treated to consistent high quality hockey. Yes, I plead guilty to nostalia but they sure could play the game back then! It's merely a sign of the times that the term "Original 6" has become a marketing slogan for your generation but some of us remember when it meant something entirely different. NHL history certainly is fasinating and I guess I'm guilty of using the term "Original 6" in it's old meaning. I'll join you in contempt for the way it's being used now days to sell cheap Refridgerator Magnets and plastic keychains but that doesn't mean that watching those teams slug it out all those many years ago has no traditional value!

posted by skydivedad at 05:31 PM on June 25

Just a quick question for our Canadian members. When the Leafs were introduced to the fans in Vancover for their pick Ferguson was roundly booed. The TSN announcers went on to explain "it's a Canadian thing" and the US audience wouldn't understand. OK I'm trying to understand but please explain the animosity. Last time I looked the 2 cities are almost an entire continent apart, what gives? Jealousy is the driving force. Toronto gets all the media attention because it is the most popular team in Canada. There are usually HUGE numbers of Leaf fans in Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa and even Montreal (Winnipeg and Quebec too, when they were around). CBC knows that the money is to be made broadcasting those games in the early time slot. The backlash are from the true fans of the other 5 teams in Canada. They are sick and tired of Toronto chewing up more than 50% of the hockey news cycle. However, they have as much chance of changing that as they do as Americans stopping the overflow of Yankee/Red Sox baseball news. Toronto Maple Leafs (1917) Technicality: They were the Toronto Arenas from 1917-1920, and the Toronto St. Patricks from 1921-1927.

posted by grum@work at 06:49 PM on June 25

If Pronger chooses to take his wife's feelings into consideration, good for him... The point I'm trying to make there is that trades are a normal part of the NHL business. If Mr. & Mrs. Pronger do not like the fact that at any time they could be moved to any one of the 30 NHL cities (even more if you count the minors), then he chose the wrong career. I have no problem with him considering his family's feelings, but why can't they wait till he is a free agent (i.e. Neidermeyer)? Then they can go wherever they damn well choose. This "I want to be traded" BS is for spoiled brats. It almost reminds of a certain football player.

posted by MrFrisby at 08:29 PM on June 25

Oh, and I'd ask people bitching about Vancouver getting Luongo and the Leafs getting Raycroft -- what do you think Toronto should have offered? What could they have offered? Offer? They should be building internally rather than going for outsiders at the neglect of their prospects. This was the biggest fault of Quinn last year. He gave Allison and Domi more time than their young guys. The Leafs have good prospects. They don't use them.

posted by mkn at 10:40 AM on June 26

For the record, it is my belief the Bruins may have drafted an orc.

posted by yerfatma at 12:05 PM on June 26

yeah the thought here is thet prongers wife&agent wear the pants..didn't want to hangout with a bunch of roughneckss an their trailerpark culture..unfortunately,chrissy is giving us crazy canucks a bad name when it comes to the wememfolk,ya'll remember janet jones don't ya??the L.a girl who got homesick? pronger ought stand up to the wife,dump her in the tarsands an the agent,sell'em to mike milbury as jr prospect..anybody getting screwed is kevin lowe, the edm org,the fans an pronger,who could have been treated like a god,in that town..but no his wife had to pull a paris, kick everyone in the nuts...ship pronger to columbus, get nash,brule and 3 first rounders, an see if she'll like livin, in the "mistake by the lake"town..but if i were kevin..i'd say Chris,your indefinitely suspended,until futher notice,oh by the way..yer playin here for 4 more years... in the minors..

posted by ktown at 05:01 PM on June 26

The Teams you cite are indeed "Original" NHL Members and the League added expansion teams through-out the 1920's including some of the Teams we now know as the "Original 6" with the Bruins becoming the 1st American Team. Other Teams included the Montreal Maroons, Pittsburh Pirates and the New York Americans. They reached a 10 Team league but only 6 survived by 1942. The term "Original 6" dates to the expansion that occured in 1967 long before the term "baby boomer" was coined. hey skydive tks for that,right on

posted by DADSQUEST at 11:02 PM on June 27

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posted by DADSQUEST at 11:22 PM on June 27

heres one more weird idea hows about all 32 teams make playoffs first round the top 16 get 7 games all home , 2nd round top 16 get 5 home and 3rd and 4th round normal unless a team from under 16 gets to 3rd round then they have to play 5 away 2 home still. incentive to finish top 16. i sprayed some bee killer into a nest tonight maybe the fumes are reaping my brain ,lol

posted by DADSQUEST at 11:29 PM on June 27

Hmm . . . (via Deadspin)

posted by yerfatma at 12:44 PM on June 29

To think, when Pronger played here in Hartford, he wasn't even old enough to drink. Our little baby is all growsed up.

posted by BullpenPro at 01:36 PM on June 29

from edmontonoilers.com "There will be no more speculation or rumours on this board regarding Chris Pronger's situation. Any attempt to do so will result in an immediate ban. If it continues, we will be forced to remove the message board due to the threat of legal action against the Oilers. The legal action is NOT by Pronger himself but by outside parties implicated by rumours on the message board. You can discuss trade rumours, etc. but leave his (or any other player's for that matter) personal life out of it. Touchy much?

posted by garfield at 02:47 PM on June 29

I think she needs to update this. This is blowing my mind right now. I had heard the rumors, but really believed it was about his newborn kid and his wife wanting to be closer to family.

posted by garfield at 03:06 PM on June 29

The Oilogosphere doesn't give deadspin's story much creedence, but I'm not convinced of its inauthenticity.

posted by garfield at 04:00 PM on June 29

I had heard the rumors, but really believed it was about his newborn kid and his wife wanting to be closer to family. Oh, it's about a newborn kid, alright. Just not the one you were thinking about. And she probably does want to be closer to family, just not his new family. Granted, I know nothing of the size of the Edmonton TV market, but for somebody to bounce from Arizona to Los Angeles to...Edmonton? Doesn't seem like a logical progression, which makes me wonder if she's had problems (incidents? accidents?) at other times in her career.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 05:07 AM on June 30

Check out this new twist. Pronger was having some marital problems before he and Lauren even moved to Edmonton. They thought that the move would help to give them a fresh start and a happy beginning. Anyway, after a few months here, their marriage was not getting better, but rather, getting worse. They were constantly fighting and Pronger started spending less and less time at home, preferring instead to go out with teammates and new found friends in the city. So, he was at a high profile function in which he was introduced to two very interesting women: an anonymous CityTV employee, and the salon owner/head stylist which does the hair and make-up for CityTV. Two things transpired... Pronger proceeded to have an affair with this CityTV personality, and started getting his hair cut at the aforementioned salon. The CityTV personality and him had a falling out after a little bit, and this salon owner and the CityTV personality had somewhat of an argument over Pronger's integrity...Apparently, the result of this was the CityTV employee proceeding to speak openly (and proudly) about her affair with Chris and launching a smear campaign against he and the salon owner saying that they were having an affair (my informant made it sound like she didn't think that the salon owner and Pronger did have an affair, but I'm not sure about the details surrounding that.), and eventually it got around and made its way to some business owners and friends of the Oilers who inquired about it, etc. etc. (everybody here knows how rumours get transmitted) and it made its way somehow to Pronger's wife, Lauren. Apparently she gave him an ultimatum to either end whatever he was doing with this/these woman/women and leave Edmonton with their family to somewhere she wanted to live or else she would take their children and leave him altogether. So Pronger decided to try to reconcile with her but she was very stubborn and adament (sic) about moving somewhere else where she wanted to go, and so after the season, sensing he'd done everything he could, he requested a trade in no uncertain terms to either California (LA, Anaheim, San Jose), Phoenix, somewhere in the midwest (Minnesota, Columbus, Chicago, St. Louis) or the Eastern seaboard (Boston, New Jersey, Either (sic) New York team, Philadelphia, or Toronto), with her major preference being in one of LA, St. Louis, Columbus, Boston, Philadelphia, or Toronto. [via] btw, i see that people are pulling down posts on this, so if you need to do so justgary or rcade, sorry about giving you extra work on a Friday before a holiday weekend.

posted by garfield at 09:50 AM on June 30

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