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September 05, 2005

Bonds to return this week????: ESPN claims that Barry could be back as early as Tuesday. Barry says that he wants to be an everyday player, but he may have to take a few days off. Unless the Prince of BALCO has found a new steroid that they cannot test for, he is going to need more than a few days off. Just looking at his stats: Prior to coming to the Giants, Barry was inconsistent at best. He went from averaging 25 home runs a season in 7 seasons with the Pirates to a whopping 44 home runs as season in 12 seasons with the Giants. In the last 5 years he has averaged 51.6 home runs per season and his batting average has jumped to .341 over that span compared to his .300 career average. While I agree that every player should improve as their career goes along, this improvement defies logic (unless he has a little help from Mr. BALCO himself)

posted by mcstan13 to baseball at 09:47 PM - 30 comments

Sorry about the double post, I got the category wrong on the first one

posted by mcstan13 at 09:49 PM on September 05

Mr. Bonds needs to make up his mind.

posted by jojomfd1 at 10:06 PM on September 05

I hope not. I have enjoyed the season without hearing his name a zillion times a night.

posted by dbt302 at 10:41 PM on September 05

Barry Bonds will wither away just like Sammy Sosa. Good old Struck Out Swinging Again. No more take a shot and give a shot for a smaller Barry with gimpy knees.

posted by Richie Bee at 10:50 PM on September 05

You know what this site needs right now? Another steroid/Bonds discussion. As the great Bill James said: "Pass."

posted by grum@work at 11:28 PM on September 05

barry's got people working on a steriod no one can test for. There are chemists out there available to any of the players who want to shell out for it. Since that's true, it's time to deal with steriods as a reality in athletics. Just keep 'em away for kids and who cares.

posted by G at 12:23 AM on September 06

Barry Bonds will wither away just like Sammy Sosa. Good old Struck Out Swinging Again. That acronym had me laughin good.

posted by charlatan at 12:42 AM on September 06

good call grum

posted by jojomfd1 at 04:09 AM on September 06

Just for the record, with or without the juice, Barry Bonds was/would be a far, far, FAR better player than Sammy Sosa ever dreamed of being. Like him, hate him, bad decisions notwithstanding (possibly), the guy is and always was a complete baseball talent. Sosa was/is as one-dimensional as they come, and that one dimension was definitely, if I had my guess, enhanced by illegal substances.

posted by dyams at 05:59 AM on September 06

Who cares whether Bonds comes back or not? Certainly not I--this arrogant cheater can fade into the obscurity that he so richly deserves.

posted by jm_mosier at 06:30 AM on September 06

this improvement defies logic Maple bats, yo.

posted by gspm at 07:26 AM on September 06

I dont really care, at this point!

posted by daddisamm at 07:55 AM on September 06

"the guy is and always was a complete baseball talent" Dyams - You need to look at the stats again that I posted. Bonds was not the complete baseball talent until he went to the bay area. Consequently that is the same place where BALCO is. If you take steroids, even a bad contact swing will produce a hit because increased power will get those bad hits through the infield. Albert Pujols is the complete talent. He is a guy who came in strong and continues everyday to remain strong. Bonds is nothing more then the poster child for what steroids can do to an average player.

posted by mcstan13 at 08:43 AM on September 06

Bonds was not the complete baseball talent until he went to the bay area. A more false statement may have never been made. Dude was an extremely solid hitter, perennial gold glove winner.

posted by mayerkyl at 09:03 AM on September 06

if there is a God ,then the first time clemens pitches to the roid sultan of swat,first pitch fastball pops the knee into the bay.bonds must knot be allowed to break the HR records he is about too.anyway possible to stop him, in my mind,is OK.RogClem or any other pitcher with nads should even up the score.yankees lose to the cards in 7,what do u think bout dat?

posted by bugman at 09:27 AM on September 06

Prediction: "Bonds has 2 maybe 3 mediocre seasons and will retire with his tail between his legs” Reason: His body without the use of the banned substances (that have got him through other injures) can’t come back and Barry (just Barry not ROID BARRY) is not the same player.

posted by steasley at 09:31 AM on September 06

ahhhhhhhhh Mr Barry Bonds is going to try to come back this season. Horse hockey. sit the season out barry. you have nothing to prove (to me anyway). get the rest you need and come back next year and show all the doubters that you are talented and well deserving of the acolades. now that you cant juice up anymore (you would be a fool to try) you can finally show people your true power. just ask sammy sosa. now that he is scared to juice up look how many homers he is hitting. and as far as the knee goes, just ask former body builder Billy Superstar Graham how the bones are more brittle after the juice. just my views, i could be wrong.

posted by hullie16 at 09:34 AM on September 06

Boy, you guys sure seem sure of his suckitude. Me, I wouldn't be surprised if he picked up right where he left off - being intentionally walked in any/all scenarios.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 09:37 AM on September 06

Am I the only one who looks at the body shape of Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds, compares it to the body shape of Roger Clemens and says hmmm… All the sudden Roger's got his old stuff back and is older than dirt hmmm… Hmmm….

posted by steasley at 09:38 AM on September 06

maybe the best way to pay barry back is the same way we should deal with jesse jackson,the poverty hore that he is,! lets not give any more attention and keep them out of the MEDIA> on that note i'm signing out .

posted by bugman at 09:46 AM on September 06

yankees lose to the cards in 7,what do u think bout dat? I think that's completely off-topic. On preview: on that note i'm signing out You must've seen that Seinfeld episode where George learns to leave on a high note.

posted by YukonGold at 09:59 AM on September 06

u r right GOLD,amazing what we can learn from seinfeld episodes,huh. does george still work for the yankees? seems like he does this year.Barry WHO?

posted by bugman at 10:20 AM on September 06

First of, mcstan, I was saying exactly what mayerkyl alluded to: Bonds was/is a great fielder, basebunner, and hitter long before he morphed into the being he is today. That said, he's still a great baseball talent. I could see that in Bonds long before he became a home-run machine. Second, it amazes me how many individuals needed these hearings before congress, Raffy's poor decisions, etc. before they started with the harsh comments towards Bonds. I never cared, particularly, for his attitude, but as far as his play on the field, he was (and is) entertaining to watch. I have assumed for years he was using some sort of supplement, as I'm sure many people assumed. But I also understood baseball, itself, wanted to turn the other way and not outlaw these substances, at least not until pressure from outside started surfacing. And as for the players themselves, I'm sure there are hundreds upon hundreds of players who know guys who use performance-enhancing drugs at all levels of the majors, yet still choose to turn a blind eye. If that's their choice for whatever reason there may be, then so be it. If they can't speak up, I don't completely condemn the users. They (the majority of major leaguers) want to cover it up as much as the guys using. They're all to blame!

posted by dyams at 10:23 AM on September 06

Maybe we should have an American League, a National League, and a Steroid League? You could even play fantasy baseball.

posted by Richie Bee at 11:50 AM on September 06

The Steroid League would probably have at least four designated hitters.

posted by DrJohnEvans at 01:06 PM on September 06

Well, I guess we will see who is right when that old codger stumbles back into the box.

posted by mcstan13 at 02:42 PM on September 06

Bonds was not the complete baseball talent until he went to the bay area. Have you ever heard the phrase "five tool player?" That's what Barry was back in Pittsburgh, back when he weighed a buck-eighty-five and could still run. Perhaps what you meant to say was, "Bonds was not the prodigious slugging talent until he went to the Bay Area." Then you would be (at least more) correct.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 03:09 PM on September 06

Bonds "situation" and steroids in baseball ridiculous! I was sitting there watching the Bonds reports (ESPN) and thought, this guy and RP as well as others are being persecuted for using or maybe using steroids when THE IS NO DOCUMENTED PROOF that steroids used by men are harmful. Now wait before you spout off, point me to the URL to an article from the AMA or a clinical study that proves it. Don't show me some government statement. I know it hurts children and women, there is documented proof of that. Don't give me the Alzado story. I liked the guy but he was ill to begin with. Anyway I'm sitting there and they show Barry live in the dugout and he is stuffing his cheeks with Copenhagen or Skoal and going about his business. Now there is documented proof that tobacco DOES cause cancer and many other ailments. Why is that something that is acceptable? Answer - MONEY, tobacco companies poor millions into government. They have billions to fight government. BTW I don't use steroids but do use smokeless tobacco. Think about it.

posted by dbrown41 at 06:00 PM on September 06

CHEATER!!! Bonds could of been great without cheating. Thats what assholes do they cheat and lie..

posted by ELWAY_FAN at 12:06 AM on September 07

Bonds now says he will return for sure this year.

posted by jojomfd1 at 10:14 PM on September 07

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