Manny Ramirez, as Himself: All right, then, be it resolved: Manny Ramirez knows more about baseball than you do.
posted by justgary to baseball at 02:43 AM - 39 comments
posted by tieguy at 06:51 AM on October 24
And this post on the young Manny is incredible. Go read.
posted by tieguy at 07:45 AM on October 24
I like Manny. That's a great story, tieguy. Everyone on the Sox and from his high school talk about what a hardworker he is. Folks are too hard on him, especially in regards to his rightly pointing out that it wouldn't be the end of the world and they would be back next year. The way the announcers were carrying on about his long (very long) single seemed to be a little much. It didn't even seem to matter that it ended up making no difference.
posted by bperk at 09:31 AM on October 24
he's the best right handed hitter of his day and maybe more. he's just a kid enjoying the game of baseball,in a man's body.30 to 40 home runs and 100+ rbi's a year,he can say whatever he wants
posted by jojopapa at 09:36 AM on October 24
Great stuff tieguy. Thanks for that.
posted by hawkguy at 09:52 AM on October 24
Interesting article, its reference to "they probably should know better than to worship the forms of the game, instead of its soul". Is that a reference to the Colorado Rockies and their quest to bring religion into the game?
posted by americanleague at 10:34 AM on October 24
In my opinion, another example of Manny being stupider like a fox was how he rested his body in the last weeks of the season, with the ambiguous painful oblique muscle. His body in the playoffs is just a little bit fresher than guys who didn't get any days off. He is fun to watch, I just really wish he would hustle on the fly balls.
posted by vito90 at 10:50 AM on October 24
Some additional Sox-related links in the run up to tonight:
posted by yerfatma at 11:41 AM on October 24
Link 1: Just about every comment in that article was insulting. Link 2: Lazy writer, been written a thousand time before. Link 4: Thanks. Hadn't read that one.
posted by justgary at 11:53 AM on October 24
Gotta love the Man-Ram. Phenomenal. Rack 'em. Oh please kill me.
posted by THX-1138 at 12:12 PM on October 24
Link 2: How was that not Shank? How? I just lost a buck. To myself!
posted by YukonGold at 12:48 PM on October 24
Link 4: Amazing perspective on free agents lost. All of whom I voted at the time (and even now to an extent) to keep.
With the compensatory picks for Cabrera, the Red Sox drafted outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury and highly regarded Triple-A infielder Jed Lowrie. With the two compensatory draft picks [for Derek Lowe], the Sox took reliever Craig Hansen, now at Triple-A Pawtucket, and Double-A pitcher Michael Bowden. [With Pedro Martinez] They also scored with the compensatory pick received for the Mets’ signing by taking future top-of-the-rotation hurler Clay Buchholz
posted by YukonGold at 12:57 PM on October 24
he's the best right handed hitter of his day and maybe more. I'm a fan of hyperbole as much as the next guy, but c'mon. There's this guy who bats righty for the Yankees, plays third base, you might have heard about him.
posted by HATER 187 at 01:08 PM on October 24
I'm a fan of hyperbole as much as the next guy, but c'mon. How is it hyperbole? Manny's stats match up quite well with arod, sometimes better. Arod is younger, and looks like he's going to age better, and he'll probably leave manny's stats behind, but looking at their careers at this point they're very comparable.
posted by justgary at 01:28 PM on October 24
Arod is younger, and looks like he's going to age better, and he'll probably leave manny's stats behind These were the primary points I was going to cite in my counter post. I just have a problem with the semantics of jojo's statement. Perhaps One of the best hitters of his era. would be better. I think after the MVP awards and monster year he is coming off of Alex Rodriguez has proven himself the best hitter of his era. I would save the and maybe more until his career has wrapped up.
posted by HATER 187 at 01:42 PM on October 24
Manny's stats match up quite well with arod, sometimes better. Arod is younger, and looks like he's going to age better, and he'll probably leave manny's stats behind, but looking at their careers at this point they're very comparable. There's a certain right-handed batting fella who wears the birds on the bat and also appears on that all-time OPS+ list (quite a bit higher than Manny and A-Rod for that matter) who just might have a place in this conversation as well.
posted by holden at 01:47 PM on October 24
Yes, agreed - Pujols and ARod are phemonenal righthanded hitters - who have won MVPs and generally been lauded appropriately. It seems Manny is a bit more devisive, and, IMHO, is generally underappreciated in the annals of baseball lore. Because his career numbers are among the best ever for righties - he's had a HoF career and, well, generationally speaking, one that should be properly understood in the correct context. He's a bad man. And a loafer. But he produces on an otherworldly level.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 02:57 PM on October 24
For some reason, the idea of a loafer (the shoe) running (ambling) along in the outfield or even better, at the plate wearing a batting helmet strikes me as hilarious. Someone should do a film of inanimate objects playing baseball.
posted by apoch at 03:21 PM on October 24
Comparing Pujols to Manny is a compliment to both men and I wholehardily agree. Both are feared hitters and little boys at heart for their love of the game. Thanks holden
posted by brickman at 03:45 PM on October 24
Manny Ramirez is one of the best hitters, right or left, in the modern era of baseball. There are hitters that are better now, like Arod and Pujols, but, if my money was on the line and I could pick a hitter to rely on in the clutch, I would pick Manny. Whether he does enough to get into the Hall of Fame is an open issue. I like him as a player, because even with his year in and year out monster stats, his name has not been associated with drugs or performance enhancing substances that I can recall. He also is an unappreciated hard worker who puts in sweat time when reporters are busy having breakfast and lunch.
posted by Cave_Man at 04:16 PM on October 24
There are hitters that are better now, like Arod and Pujols, but, if my money was on the line and I could pick a hitter to rely on in the clutch, I would pick Manny. Hold on. I thought Super-Clutchy-Captain-Handsome-Star Derek Jeter was "the man". Or Big-Papi-Crushy-Ball-McFlyFar David Ortiz was "the man". Can I get an official ruling on who the clutchiest-clutch-that-ever-clutched is?
posted by grum@work at 05:28 PM on October 24
Cave_Man: Whether he does enough to get into the Hall of Fame is an open issue.
grum@work: Can I get an official ruling on who the clutchiest-clutch-that-ever-clutched is?
posted by hincandenza at 05:36 PM on October 24
Actually, I think Ortiz is probably your best bet for clutchiest-clutch of this decade at least, and a serious contender for clutchiest-ever. I'm not sure you can say that. He has certainly recieved the most recognition for his clutch plays but I'm sure there have been many players through the years who have made similar plays. The extensive media coverage and the existance of the internet have just brought more fame to Ortiz's clutch hits.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 06:01 PM on October 24
Can I get an official ruling on who the clutchiest-clutch-that-ever-clutched is? I don't have an answer for you. But you can mark Arod off your list.
posted by justgary at 06:09 PM on October 24
Other examples of Manny's greatness include:
When I asked his teammate David Ortiz, himself a borderline folk hero, how he would describe Ramirez, he replied, "As a crazy motherfucker." Then he pointed at my notebook and said, "You can write it down just like that: 'David Ortiz says Manny is a crazy motherfucker.'" ... "Manny is at the far end of the as-bad-as-you-can-get-in-the-field spectrum." ... In the outfield and on the base paths, Ramirez can seem oafish and clumsy, and many of the baseball-related incidents for which he is best known reflect a chronic absent-mindedness, but I prefer the most Roy Hobbsian anecdote, in which he hits a home run with a broken bat--it was broken before he swung, that is, and he used it anyway because he was fond of it--since it illustrates both his enthusiasm and his preternatural gift for hitting.
posted by kirkaracha at 06:32 PM on October 24
#1 all time in post-season home runs #3 all time in post-season strike outs (tied with David Justice and Reggie Sanders)
posted by tommytrump at 07:20 PM on October 24
#1 in hair.
posted by jerseygirl at 07:25 PM on October 24
#1 in hair. Really? I gotta think Oscar Gamble has to rank higher, just on volume alone.
posted by grum@work at 08:25 PM on October 24
Modern day, grum.
posted by jerseygirl at 08:36 PM on October 24
but I'm sure there have been many players through the years who have made similar plays. Please don't say crap like that; have a counter-example. From my third link above: "It was Ortiz’s second walk-off hit of the series and his third of the postseason; no other player in history had hit more than two in his entire career." So no, no other players have similar plays.
posted by yerfatma at 09:38 PM on October 24
Modern day, grum. Yeah, comparing Manny's hair to someone from the 70s is like comparing a modern pitcher to a pitcher from the dead ball era. It just isn't fair.
posted by tieguy at 09:46 PM on October 24
It looks like Manny's batting helmet may have been damaged in a fire. I hope they can get him a replacement. #3 all time in post-season strike outs (tied with David Justice and Reggie Sanders) Oooh, burn. Sluggers always strike out a lot.
posted by kirkaracha at 09:59 PM on October 24
"It looks like Manny's batting helmet may have been damaged in a fire. I hope they can get him a replacement." The stuff on Manny's helmet is probaly pine tar. Manny apparently likes his batting helmet, looks like it has been in use for years.
posted by Cave_Man at 10:41 PM on October 24
Yeah, it is pine tar; the whole team did it in 2004. Orlando Cabrera still does the same thing with his Angels helmet.
posted by tieguy at 10:48 PM on October 24
Clutchiest? Apparently they give out a trophy for that now.
posted by drumdance at 10:27 AM on October 25
Wait just a minute. A-Rod is the clutchiest player of the year? Or most clutch, or whatever the hell it's called? Isn't he golfing right now? Or going to strip clubs with that blonde gal? Anyway, isn't he NOT playing in the World Series (again)? I, of course, get mixed up when it comes to differentiating shit from shinola, but my estimation put A-Rod's performance a few points below clutch this season. Postseason he batted .267 with 4 hits and 1 RBI. Post season would be where I think you would find the definitive clutch perfomance. His appeared to be less than clutchy.
posted by THX-1138 at 11:33 AM on October 25
clutchiness. It's a lot like truthiness.
posted by tieguy at 11:41 AM on October 25
Anyway, isn't he NOT playing in the World Series (again)? To be fair, the Yankees wouldn't have even made the playoffs if he wasn't so super-duper-clutcherrific during season when he was (almost) single-handedly dragging the Yankees to respectability. Just ask Papelbon and Chris Ray about his clutchtasticness.
posted by grum@work at 04:59 PM on October 25
Right now the only "clutchy" thing related to A-Rod is the aforementioned blonde. I'd ask Papelbon, but he seems to be busy.
posted by THX-1138 at 07:34 PM on October 25
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