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May 20, 2014

SportsFilter: The Tuesday Huddle:

A place to discuss the sports stories that aren't making news, share links that aren't quite front-page material, and diagram plays on your hand. Remember to count to five Mississippi before commenting in anger.

posted by huddle to general at 06:00 AM - 23 comments

Seems fair:

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posted by yerfatma at 09:07 AM on May 20

Louis Van Gaal is a football genius. (Repeat ad nauseam)

posted by owlhouse at 09:36 AM on May 20

from Reddit..

(paraphrased)
Johnny Miller: I'm going to chip from here, even though I'm on the green.
Jack Nicklaus: Don't! These are new greens!
Johnny Miller: I have to! No one can putt it from here!
Jack Nicklaus :Oh, really?

posted by grum@work at 11:22 AM on May 20

Anyone at the professional level can do anything they want to Rose, Webber, and Juwan Howard. But they'll have to grossly overpay Howard before they do anything to him.

If Brown tried to run Rose out of the league, well he had to, because if he sent Rose to another team, odds are he'd end up coaching there himself.

posted by beaverboard at 11:24 AM on May 20

@grum Nice. Johnny notoriously can't see where the flag is unless he draws it onto the screen.

posted by JJ at 11:36 AM on May 20

I keep hearing Pierre Mcquire's name in Penguin coach/GM talks. If he ends up her, I may have to put a gun in my mouth. I hate that pompous d-bag. Every time he says the word skittered I want to go punch him in the face

posted by Debo270 at 01:48 PM on May 20

I keep hearing Pierre Mcquire's name in Penguin coach/GM talks. If he ends up her, I may have to put a gun in my mouth. I hate that pompous d-bag. Every time he says the word skittered I want to go punch him in the face

I understand your concern, but this is a case of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". If he's a coach/GM, then he's no longer providing "analysis" on TV, so everyone else (other than Penguins fans) will be happier.

If McGuire could get hired as the GM, and then hire Milbury as his coach...

posted by grum@work at 03:50 PM on May 20

I understand your concern, but this is a case of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". If he's a coach/GM, then he's no longer providing "analysis" on TV, so everyone else (other than Penguins fans) will be happier.

We don't have to listen to McGuire during games, *and* Pens fans will be miserable? I fail to see a downside to this hire...

posted by MeatSaber at 07:36 PM on May 20

Grum/Meat Screw you guys!!! My wife said she will become an Lanch fan.

Hey Meat, I was going to comment on how much fun I had in MI last weekend too. Not anymore. Cant wait to see Babcock behind our bench.

posted by Debo270 at 08:16 PM on May 20

Rarer than an unassisted triple play in baseball.
Rarer than a Triple Crown winner.
Rarer than a 250-yard rushing performance in the NFL.
Rarer than a quadruple-double in the NBA.
A perfect round of Putt-Putt golf.

posted by grum@work at 08:58 PM on May 20

Of course you had fun in Michigan...you weren't in Pittsburgh...

And Babs isn't going anywhere. He's the best coach in the NHL, and the Wings brain trust knows that. The day their season ended, Illitch and Holland started working on his extension. I'd expect negotiations to start some time after the draft. I hear Tortorella's looking for work, tho...

posted by MeatSaber at 10:03 PM on May 20

Penguins lost 2-1 in the 7th game of a series against the 2nd best goalie in the world (Price is #1). The coach is not the problem. A healthy roster, a few big forwards to minimize the pounding Crosby and the other skilled players take, and an upgrade in goal (James Reimer?) delivers the cup to Pittsburgh next year.

Hiring Tortorella will yield a higher draft position ...

posted by cixelsyd at 12:11 AM on May 21

and an upgrade in goal (James Reimer?)

posted by grum@work at 08:40 AM on May 21

Reimer played behind the worst defensive team in professional hockey with the Leafs and still carried them to game 7 against the Bruins.

By the way, guess which goaltender holds the all time record for save percentage in a season for Toronto?

posted by cixelsyd at 12:06 PM on May 21

Reimer played behind the worst defensive team in professional hockey with the Leafs and still carried them to game 7 against the Bruins.

That was two years ago.

This year, he was the backup and put up a significantly worse save percentage than the starter (Bernier), and was actually worse than league average on giving up goals (Goals Saved Above Average of -2.73).

If you want to pin your hopes on him in Pittsburgh, go right ahead. His confidence is shot and I'd be surprised if he's still a starting goaltender somewhere in 2016.

posted by grum@work at 01:06 PM on May 21

His confidence is shot ...

Pretty much any goalie whose coach consistently lays blame on him for giving up 3 goals on 47 shots wouldn't feel very confident. Not saying the guy is Tretiak, but give him a chance behind a team with some attention to defense and he'll do OK. No more evidence of that required than Bryzgalov with the Wild.

posted by cixelsyd at 01:36 PM on May 21

Pretty much any goalie whose coach consistently lays blame on him for giving up 3 goals on 47 shots wouldn't feel very confident.

That never happened to Reimer this season (or, any time in his career).
(Unless you think you'd "blame" Reimer for a win.)

;)

posted by grum@work at 02:49 PM on May 21

Great stats grum, as usual.

But I think they only prove Reimer isn't such a bad option for a team needing an upgrade. Be willing to bet Reimer's name heads a listing of goalies who have won games where his team was badly outshot and outplayed. Reinforces my amazement of how Carlyle and TO media dump on the guy ... he's been better at his position than anyone else on the roster.

Further, the Leafs give up an amazing number of quality shots, not just quantity. Goalies like Lundqvist, Price, and Quick are solid but they just need to do their jobs and can count on defense and forwards to clear rebounds and prevent opponents from getting quality chances / second chances.

posted by cixelsyd at 09:35 PM on May 22

Be willing to bet Reimer's name heads a listing of goalies who have won games where his team was badly outshot and outplayed.

I don't know about Reimer's contribution, but Toronto itself has had a LOT of wins that way:

Team wins with less than or equal to 30 shots for, and more than or equal to 40 shots against, since 2010-11 season.

Team wins with less than or equal to 20 shots for, and more than or equal to 30 shots against, since 2010-11 season.

But in terms of wins against a barrage of shots, it depends:

Goalie wins with at least 40 shots against, since 2010-11 season.

Goalie wins with at least 50 shots against, since 2010-11 season.

posted by grum@work at 10:14 PM on May 22

Goalies like Lundqvist, Price, and Quick are solid but they just need to do their jobs

This all feels like a tautology that grum cannot win.

posted by yerfatma at 07:09 AM on May 23

This all feels like a tautology that grum cannot win

Tautology? Not really, just opinions like everyone has here. And a far cry better than trollology ...

Goalie wins with at least 50 shots against, since 2010-11 season

Reimer does head that list. The stats pretty much prove that the Leafs are giving up huge numbers of shots and getting bailed out by the goaltenders, who ever they may be. In general, the Leafs most solid position currently is goal.

posted by cixelsyd at 03:06 PM on May 23

Reimer does head that list.

I provided that for completeness, but let's not read too much into it.
He leads with 3, and that's over two seasons.
Scrivens had 2 just this season with Edmonton.

It's like making hay about wins when facing at least 60 shots...

(It would also be silly to infer from the stats that if you let your goalie face at least 60 shots, you have a better chance at getting at least a point.)
(Side note: I can't believe it's been 23 years since Ron Tugnutt faced 73 shots in a game. Woah.)


At least 50 shots against, since 2010-2011 season.

Smith and Lehner have more than Reimer.

posted by grum@work at 04:57 PM on May 23

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