BlogZilla: If you know a lot about american music, then you must of heard of the 2 biggest pop/hiphop/r&b music moguls from america, Sean Combs and Russel Simmons. These 2 multimillionaire's wear baggy clothes and also own 2 of the biggest clothing lines out today. Do you consider them delinquents? Russell Simmons? No, Simmons is a brilliant and shrewd businessman. Although his clothing line isn't my style, it nonetheless exudes quality. Sean/Puff Daddy/Puffy/P.Diddy/Diddy Combs? No, not exactly a delinquent, although I think he's a punk, a lousy designer, and despite being a good judge of what will sell CDs, nearly talentless musically. I also think he's a criminal who can afford a top-notch attorney (see also Simpson, O.J., Blake, Robert, and Jackson, Michael). He also has an ego so big, I think it's amazing that both he and Donald Trump can fit in Manhattan. It appears to me that people who object to what I have written don't understand the context of my words. Here, again, is what I wrote regarding "delinquents": If it makes you feel better about yourself, go ahead -- call me a "Puritan," a "prude," a "square," or whatever the baggy and low-rise jeans-wearing delinquents say it here in the 00's. I don't care, and considering the source, I wear the insult with pride. (I will concede that I should have said "however" rather than "whatever.") For those of you who still don't get it, lemme break it down: When I was young, the delinquents would say, "You're such a baby," or "You're such a prude," or "You're such a square." Before it became synonymous with computer or technical acumen, the word "nerd" fit the bill as well. I don't know what kids that don't care if they get into trouble (aka "delinquents") say to taunt other kids who DON'T want to get into trouble in this day and age. Where I live now, delinquents by-and-large have a uniform: baggy jeans that make a six-foot-tall teenage boy look like he's a nine-year old wearing his father's clothes, and low-rise jeans that reveal a midriff that is most often best left concealed, and the top of thong underwear. It is they that I imagine are the ones that are doing the taunting, but I don't know how they put it. I'm pretty sure they aren't saying "Goody Two-Shoes." Have you come here to condemn the people at sportsfilter or to save us? Let's get something straight: I did not start this. It was mrhockey that wrote, "I was glad to spend the day playing hockey instead of watching Mick Jagger try to get more for his money by using words that never should be allowed on TV in songs OR commentary." I jumped in to counter the statement by Texan_lost_in_NY that such an opinion is 'Puritanical' -- a word that is almost never used as a compliment. For the record: I have criticized others in this thread and have been criticized in turn. That's nothing to me, I'm a big boy. But I have not "condemned" anyone, and don't think my words will "save" those who disagree. Let me give you a hint mr holier than thou. I never said I was better than anyone here, and I by no means think I am perfect. If only it were so. No one is receptive to that type of rhetoric. It tends to cause a "who does he think he is" response more than a "I can see where he is coming from" response. Speak for yourself. I doubt everyone who has read what I wrote disagrees with me as much as you do. And frankly, I don't know how to reach people who don't listen and read opinions like mine carefully, because they can be relied upon to go off on a knee-jerk "You think you're better than me" rant. One of the reasons I have stuck with this debate is because I have had enough of people suggesting that times haven't changed just because there is always is a "cutting edge" that causes people -- like me -- to say "This is going too far." In my experience, such people will defend, for example, now-faded teen idol Britney Spears french-kissing Madonna on MTV by suggesting it is no different than how Elvis Presley was reviled by some for shaking his hips too much. Such people often refer to themselves as "open-minded." I am open-minded as well; it's just that my mind isn't so open that my brain falls out, preventing me from considering questions like: "If we laugh off Britney and Madonna kissing today, what's going to be next?" After it became The Kiss Seen Round The World, some laughed at the idea that such displays by pop culture icons would spur a trend making it cool among teens. If you were among those, laugh this off. If you, BlogZilla, are thinking, "Who does [L.N. Smithee] think he is?" here's my answer: I am a person who has as strong an opinion about the corrosion of what used to be called "common values" as the people who work tirelessly to destroy the concept.
BlogZilla: Anytime sex is interjected into american music, it's usually always in an, what i think you would consider, unnatural sense (natural being sex between a husband and a wife is what I assume you are referring to). While I agree there are certainly many, many more songs about premarital, adulterous, or meaningless, spontaneous sex, I can, off the top of my head, think of several songs that deal with sex within what could be presumed to be a happy marriage. "Respect," written by Otis Redding is probably the most famous one, while there is also "Battleship Chains" by the Georgia Satellites, "Satisfied Man" by Molly Hatchet, "Poundcake" by Van Halen. Softening things up considerably, there's also "Do That To Me One More Time" by the Captain & Tennille, "'Til My Baby Comes Home" by Luther Vandross, "I've Never Been To Me" by Charlene, "Popsicle Toes" by Michael Franks, and every love song that Paul McCartney wrote while Linda was living. Therefore, there is no distinction between making a "dead man cum" or having sex out of wedlock. right? For God's sake, NO! You may not realize it, but you have made my point for me with that incredible equivocation. (Before I continue, let me mark this as the first time I have discussed anything Biblical in this debate.) The Bible accounts of the lives of Joseph and David appear to be divergent; Joseph, a humble, faithful, and apparently attractive man, resisted the advances of his master Potiphar's wife, stating that it would be a sin against God to take what was not his, even if she chose freely to give it. This resulted in his being falsely accused of attempted rape and years of imprisonment. For his continued confidence and obedience to God, Joseph was rewarded with purpose, prosperity, and love of his estranged family. On the other hand, King David, who had everything he could possibly want or need as a result of his continued Godly faith and humility, made the mistake Joseph refused to, taking the wife of another man, and, even worse, plotting the murder of her husband when it would become obvious that he had made her pregnant. He was judged not only by God as being worthy of death, he condemned himself unknowingly. While God allowed him to live, David paid a heavy price in the death of the child Bathsheba bore and constant conflict in his family until he died. But David repented, and gave us many Psalms thanking and praising God for his forgiveness. Both David and Joseph died as faithful, honorable men in the eyes of God. My point is not simply that God forgives those seek forgiveness from sin and repent, it is that human desire, while not unconquerable, is a powerful force, with the potential to dislodge moral people from their bearings. However, according to scripture, repentance and forgiveness of sin is a longer, harder road for those who perform gross sexual acts, as do those who engage with animals or the deceased; that's not the result of normal human desire, it's the result of licentiousness out of control. It's one thing to fall in love with another person whom you find attractive or with whom you share common interests. It's another to get off on manipulating an unsuspecting beast or a body that can't feel a thing for your own gratification. Once you're so far gone that you forego living creatures in favor of decomposing ones, you are approaching Romans 1:18-32 territory. (I honestly think -- and want to believe -- you already know this. It is really, truly sad if you don't.) The Bible clearly states that fornication (sex out of wedlock) is unclean. I think there is a good chance you may have had sex without being married once, making you as unclean as you claim the person discussing unnatural or unclean acts in a song is. See where I'm going with this? Yeah, I see where you're going. It's not the first time I've witnessed people taking this trip...and you're about to hit a dead end. And right on cue, here's the misinterpretation of John 8:1-11! Jesus ran to the aid of a whore that was about to be stoned, whats your opinion about that? My opinion is that you had better pick up your Bible and read to the end of the incident. What did Jesus say to her before he dismissed her? Did he say, "All right, girlfriend, hit the streets and get some paper?" No -- verse 11 concludes, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more." Put your rocks down man, you're no better than the rest of us.... Or, is that you Jesus? All I did was defend someone else who thinks "[you'd] make a dead man cum" is going too far in a pop song, and should have been censored. And here you are treating me like I'm Pat Robertson, recommending the assassination of Mick and Keith or something. I haven't thrown a single rock at the Stones or anyone else here. I haven't even called anyone a sinner. Jesus didn't throw a rock at the harlot either, but he DID say that she was a sinner, and that she should repent. I wonder if you, had you witnessed that scene, would have tolerated Jesus saying that she was a sinner because she was a whore. You'll have to answer that one yourself.
I am a person who has as strong an opinion about the corrosion of what used to be called "common values" as the people who work tirelessly to destroy the concept. Put me down as one those dedicated to corroding "common values" or the even worse "family values" as the vast, vast majority of people who claim those values are usually busy doing their best to force everyone else to live by them, in lockstep with them and usually their one true path to salvation. God save us from them all. As for what's next after Britney and Madonna kiss...hopefully many more of them, by many more women (and men), in even more public settings.
Texan_lost_in_NY: What bothers me is when the holier-than-thous start with the name-calling and stereotyping...why does it always come to that? I dunno, Tex. I've done my part. I haven't called anyone a name. I haven't stereotyped anyone. On the other hand, you started this by calling mrhockey a "puritan." You swallow that comment and let mrhockey's statement stand on its own, and we wouldn't still be discussing this. As to making value judgments based on whether people use slurs like "nigger" and "faggot," which was the original context of my comment; are you telling me you don't weigh how much you want to associate with people when it is clear they are bigoted?
commander cody: Put me down as one those dedicated to corroding "common values" or the even worse "family values" as the vast, vast majority of people who claim those values are usually busy doing their best to force everyone else to live by them, in lockstep with them and usually their one true path to salvation. I figured someone might say something like that. Tell me, please, how this "forc[ing] everyone else to live by them" works in a constitutional republic.
commander cody: As for what's next after Britney and Madonna kiss...hopefully many more of them, by many more women (and men), in even more public settings. Would you mind if took place at the morgue?
Ask George W. Bush and company. Or actually maybe he wouldn't be such a good person to ask since he spouts "family values" just as a way to scare up votes. Nothing like playing to the base. At least when playing the fear card doesn't work. Does anyone really believe he is born again? Bull. Ok then, how about the Pro-Life loonies? I happen to be pro-choice, but that doesn't mean they have the right to stop a woman from getting an abortion any more then a pro-choice person has a right to force a pro-life woman to get one. I'm not telling them that they have to agree with me, but they're telling me that I have to, by law, agree with them. Or prayer in public schools. These so-called Christians try to force prayer on my children (hidden of course in "moments of silence" or other such garbage), yet I never told my children that anyone else, even them, have to believe as I do. Then of course there's the whole "world created in 6 days" crowd. Teach creationism, just not in science or as an alternative to evolution. Religion or how a person sees it is a deeply personal thing. If I do or do not believe in God and how I do or do not see my relationship with any kind of supreme being is stricly between me and whoever (if anyone) I believe in or don't believe in. I don't discuss my religious feelings with my children, my wife, a preacher or anyone else because my feelings about God are no one elses damn business. Hell when I joined the Air Force many years ago and I got to the part of the form where they ask your religion I actually wrote in the words "It's none of your damn business" The point is that I don't tell the Christain Right how to live their lives, but they seem to be obsessed with trying to force everyone else to live by their so-called values. It is a constant struggle to keep them out of office, but one that I proudly fight in.
commander cody: As for what's next after Britney and Madonna kiss...hopefully many more of them, by many more women (and men), in even more public settings. Would you mind if took place at the morgue? Ahhh...as in they should all die huh? I'll be happy to tell my gay son that your Christian upbringing tells you he should be dead. I'm sure he'll get a chuckle out of it. Nice "values".
commander cody: Ahhh...as in they should all die huh? WHAT? Hey, genius, pay attention! This whole tangent was kicked off by people implying objections to necrophilic lyrics were, to quote you, "silly!" I was sarcastically suggesting that you wouldn't mind some formerly living people in your imagined same-sex kissing ceremonies! I'll be happy to tell my gay son that your Christian upbringing tells you he should be dead. I'm sure he'll get a chuckle out of it. Nice "values". If you tell him that, you'll be a liar, because that's NOT what I believe. Hey, Tex! You say don't like "stereotyping?" You'll hate THIS comment!
commander cody: As for what's next after Britney and Madonna kiss...hopefully many more of them, by many more women (and men), in even more public settings. Would you mind if took place at the morgue? Hmmmmm....nope...I think the implication is clear enough. Associating my comments approving of gay kissing with having it take place in a morgue. Yep, at best I might grant it as a Fruedian slip, but even that's a reach. Or are you one of those phony "hate the sin, but love the sinner" types?
L.N. Smithee, if nothing else, thanks for the Stop a Clock thing. While I have to agree with commander cody that that is not what Merllencamp meant, I've always been confused why it was used (apparently) as a compliment.
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Godfilter? LOL. Ok, ok maybe it's time to let this thread die a peacful death and get back to what's really important in this world....sports!
Sheesh, I put up something about MASH, the Super Bowl and TV ratings and everybody goes off on values...I never thought it would tumble in this direction. For the record, never discuss religion or politics with friends and everything will be alright. That is, if everybody considers themselves friends here...if not, then have at it...haha
On the other hand, you (Tex) started this by calling mrhockey a "puritan." You swallow that comment and let mrhockey's statement stand on its own, and we wouldn't still be discussing this. Yeah, that'll happen. Don't blame me for driving you to your soapbox. Above I wrote And for the record, LN Smithee, the "puritan" comment was sarcasm in its "purist" form, and that's the closest thing to a concession you'll get from me. Keep on thumpin'. I'm sure there's someone who came here looking to have their life changed.
Keep on thumpin'. I'm sure there's someone who came here looking to have their life changed LOL! Hey Texan, did you check out the Godfilter link The Black Hand posted above? Some great t-shirts!
L.N. , In all your "preaching", who do you think you have reached or even better "won over"? I'll answer that for you. No one. Now can you see yourself? You see, with all your words and wisdom, you have convinced one person that you may know what you are talking about, and that's yourself. Tell me what you think you have gained. In my opinion, nothing. If you would alter your approach you may have a chance, but is your true goal to help someone, or to prove yourself a "know it all"? You have made some foolish statements, calling a group of young people delinquents? Who did you attempt to win over with that statement? You have made a gross error in your delivery and it has accomplished nothing. You wish to compare the way you deliver your message to the way Jesus delivered His? Another foolish error. Jesus got results. I would think of you more like those uptight Pharisees, that thought everything had to be their way. I'm also pretty sure you liken this persecution unto that which was spoke of by all the great witnesses of Christ. I am here to tell you not to fool yourself. You have gained nothing, not one person saying, I see where you're coming from. Not one person saying they understand you. So the only thing left to do is try to offer you some advice, and Pray you receive it. The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel; 2To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding; 3To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity; 4To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. 5A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: 6To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. 7The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 13:3 He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction. 14:25 A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies. 15:1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. 18:6-7, 6 A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. 7A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul. 24: 16-18, 16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief. 17 Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: 18 Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him. I haven't thrown a single rock at the Stones or anyone else here I dunno, Tex. I've done my part. I haven't called anyone a name. I haven't stereotyped anyone Where I live now, delinquents by-and-large have a uniform: baggy jeans that make a six-foot-tall teenage boy look like he's a nine-year old wearing his father's clothes, and low-rise jeans that reveal a midriff that is most often best left concealed, and the top of thong underwear. It is they that I imagine are the ones that are doing the taunting, but I don't know how they put it. I'm pretty sure they aren't saying "Goody Two-Shoes." As far as calling an entire generation "delinquents" not throwing stones or the previous statements not being judgmental and stereo-typical I say to you, Your actions are probably the most hypocritical I have ever seen here in my short time. You're transparent. You have a lot of work to do. Don't respond with more lies please, you're making yourself look worse. And I need to pick up my Bible? Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.
LNS: (1) "Puh-leeze. You seem to think I haven't heard the song before. To the contrary: I was listening to the late great KFRC-AM in San Francisco when "Start Me Up" made its Bay Area debut in 1981." I don't care if you were in the recording booth. You still don't understand the lyrics, or evidently, "metaphor". (2) "Oh, brother. You sound like one of Bill Clinton's lawyers circa 1998." Ladies and Gentlemen, The evolution of Godwinism. Just throw in "Clinton" when you don't have a response. (3) "That's not what I object to. As I wrote before, 'I just can't imagine what kind of mind would interject unnatural, perverted, disgusting sex practices into a pop song...'" And it seems you can't imagine anyone would use a "metaphor" either. (4) "...was once very pretty?" So much for your ability to deduce metaphors. Here's something that you may find alarming: Saying a woman could stop a clock is not a compliment. That old man in "Pink Houses" was" (rationalization story snipped for space) Yeah, and I grew up primarily in Southern Indiana about 15 miles from where Mellencamp grew up and recorded "Pink Houses." Here's something you might find alarming: Saying a woman could stop a clock is a compliment. You don't believe Mellencamp or me? Ask Bernie Taupin: "Slow Down Georgie (She's Poison)" She's got you hypnotised, with her big brown eyes And a body that could stop a clock. So much for your ability to understand that all the world doesn't have the same mind set you do. Please remember your "common values" are not all that "common." You have an emotional attachment to your belief system and I am not even trying to change it, but understand this: (1) It is a metaphor. (2) It is a poor debate tactic. (3) It is still a metaphor. and (4) It is a compliment. If you simply repeat it is about "disgusting sex practices" then we're done. I've heard it as the answer too many times in this thread. Anything new and I'm listening. Enjoy.
Yes commander c, I did see TBH's link. Hilarious. I actually gave my ex-boss a similar shirt to the one worn by the lovely lady on the left side of the banner. Good thing he had a sense of humor. A sense of humor...you know, that's what's missing in this thread. So, donnychris, more people watched the final episode of M*A*S*H than the Super Bowl, you say.
Actually, even though it was way off topic, I had a ball with this debate. Maybe I have a twisted sense of humor though. I'm thinking of ordering some of the political t-shirts, but I won't say which ones. Lord knows I wouldn't want to start another debate. Or would I? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
BlogZilla: L.N. , In all your "preaching", who do you think you have reached or even better "won over"? I'll answer that for you. No one. You couldn't possibly know that for sure, but if so, it doesn't matter. That wasn't my intention. This is an Internet sports bulletin board, not a religious forum. I am just expressing my opinion. As I wrote to you in the first response, "...I have not 'condemned' anyone, and don't think my words will 'save' those who disagree." I marked the point at which I first referenced scripture because I wanted it to be clear that it was not I that started a religious discussion. You have made some foolish statements, calling a group of young people delinquents? Who did you attempt to win over with that statement? You have made a gross error in your delivery and it has accomplished nothing. If you think the fact that you can't grasp my clear meaning is evidence of "a gross error in [my] delivery," I disagree. I try to write exactly what I mean, and that is what I did. I wrote, in the first instance: If it makes you feel better about yourself, go ahead -- call me a "Puritan," a "prude," a "square," or [how]ever the baggy and low-rise jeans-wearing delinquents say it here in the 00's. You then asked me if I thought Russell Simmons and Sean Combs were "delinquents" since they wear baggy jeans. (My answer in both cases was NO, if you didn't notice). I then clarified what I wrote by writing, "Where I live now, delinquents by-and-large have a uniform: baggy jeans that make a six-foot-tall teenage boy look like he's a nine-year old wearing his father's clothes, and low-rise jeans that reveal a midriff that is most often best left concealed, and the top of thong underwear." I did not call anyone a "delinquent" who was not. I didn't say 'everyone who wears baggy or low-rise jeans are delinquents,' I said that from what I have observed, those who ARE delinquents generally dress that way. Now, you call me a hypocrite because you think I am stereotyping, "calling an entire generation 'delinquents"' even after saying that I didn't think Simmons and Combs fit the description. And I have no idea where else but out of thin air you got "an entire generation." What absolute nonsense. Bottom line: YOU DIDN'T GET IT. And that's NOT my fault. You wish to compare the way you deliver your message to the way Jesus delivered His? Another foolish error. Jesus got results. Not even Jesus could bring everyone around. Read John 6. THEY DIDN'T GET IT. And that wasn't HIS fault.
Well we sort of got back on topic for two posts that are the half the size of the monster post wrote by L.N. Smithee.....
Well we sort of got back on topic for two posts that are the half the size of the monster post wrote by L.N. Smithee..... Oh I don't know, as a former member of the debate team I always sort of thought of that as a sport. Kinda. Sorta. In a way. In fact I always wondered what the cheers from cheerleaders would be? Rah Rah Rah good point! Of course my late Grandpapa used to say it wasn't a sport if there was no chance someone would end up bleeding. Must be why he was such a big hockey fan. Me too.
my late Grandpapa used to say it wasn't a sport if there was no chance someone would end up bleeding. Your grandpapa was a wise man, though I usually add running and sweating to my own general description. So...I guess it's not a reach to imagine sweating at a debate competition. I just want to know how many debate teamers wore baggy jeans that make a six-foot-tall teenage boy look like he's a nine-year old wearing his father's clothes, and low-rise jeans that reveal a midriff that is most often best left concealed, and the top of thong underwear. Stand up and be counted, you argumentative geeks!
Your grandpapa was a wise man He was indeed, but we were always careful never to tell him that because then we'd be subjected to endless hours of stories of growing up in Quebec, where they played "real" hockey and how it was much better then Curling, even though Americans didn't know how to play that right either. Of course I actually like Curling too, so I guess I was a bit of a geek in his eyes. Ah well, I'm still proud to count myself a geek!
L.N. is definitely a little off. Calling people who dress a certain way delinquents, and then saying he didn't really mean it that way. What he is saying he meant was, he happens to know a bunch of actual delinquents and they all happen to dress a certain way. A liar will not tarry in His sight. Take a look at the perfect example of the stereo-typical "Over bearing Christian" who passes judgment, then denies it by lying. Who also gets into useless arguments with no obvious point. Who then blames everyone else instead of taking responsibility for what he says. On top of that he offers links to what he said in a post on the same page, when the words are merely 2 scroll clicks up. Bottom line: YOU DIDN'T GET IT. And that's NOT my fault Not even Jesus could bring everyone around. Read John 6. THEY DIDN'T GET IT. And that wasn't HIS fault. Then to top it all off, the only thing he can do is offer to us that he is misunderstood as Jesus was and it is not his fault. Last and certainly most offensive, he offers John chapter 6, comparing which part? He doesn't specify. L.N. are misunderstood as the multitude was who didn't know where all the bread and fish came from? Or are you misunderstood as the disciples were when Jesus walked on water? Or are you misunderstood as the people were that couldn't figure out how Jesus came unto them when he was not on the boat when it left carrying the disciples? Or are you misunderstood as the Jews were when they said, "how can this Man give us His Flesh to eat, saying He is the bread of life? Or was it verses 64-66 reading; 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Are you actually comparing some of us who don't agree with you to those that didn't agree with the Lord Himself? If so, you are 1 troubled individual, or are you a legion of many?
BlogZilla we were actually having a kind-of-sports related discussion....... Of course my late Grandpapa used to say it wasn't a sport if there was no chance someone would end up bleeding. I suppose if the opposing side didn't like a point that was made they could pull a knife... (especially if they are a baggy jeens wearing delinquent).
I suppose if the opposing side didn't like a point that was made they could pull a knife... On the debate team it'd be more like pocket protecters...from 20 ft. Or dueling sliderules (ok so it was a while ago).
?!: Yeah, and I grew up primarily in Southern Indiana about 15 miles from where Mellencamp grew up and recorded "Pink Houses." Here's something you might find alarming: Saying a woman could stop a clock is a compliment. You don't believe Mellencamp or me? Ask Bernie Taupin: "Slow Down Georgie (She's Poison)" She's got you hypnotised, with her big brown eyes And a body that could stop a clock. Well, it seems that you are correct about John Mellencamp's meaning about "I remember when you could stop a clock" -- but it wouldn't necessarily be a good idea to walk up to a hottie and say "You could stop a clock." I did another Google search after reading your post, and it seems that this particular phrase can be used as both an insult and as praise; if you are complimenting a woman's figure, you can say "Her body could stop a clock," but if you say "her face could stop a clock," you are calling her homely. ?!: Now, it may shock you, but you can make someone cry without punching them. You can also make someone cum without having intercourse with them. L.N. Smithee: "Oh, brother. You sound like one of Bill Clinton's lawyers circa 1998." ?!: Ladies and Gentlemen, The evolution of Godwinism. Just throw in "Clinton" when you don't have a response. Nice try. My Clinton reference was completely relevant. Obviously, you weren't paying attention to the news in 1998. Here's the context, from the Articles of Impeachment as recorded at CNN.com: At his grand jury appearance, the President also was asked about his counsel's statement to Judge Wright that Ms. Lewinsky's affidavit denying a "sexual relationship" was equivalent to saying "there is absolutely no sex of any kind in any manner, shape or form" with President Clinton. Given the President's interpretation of the term "sexual relationship" to require sexual intercourse, the President was asked how he lawfully could have sat silent while his attorney -- in the President's presence and on his behalf -- made a false statement to a United States District Judge in an effort to forestall further questioning. The President offered several responses. First, the President maintained that he was not paying "much attention" when Mr. Bennett said that there is "absolutely no sex of any kind" between the President and Ms. Lewinsky." The President further stated: "That moment, that whole argument just passed me by. I was a witness." The President's explanation is difficult to reconcile with the videotape of the deposition, which shows that the President was looking in Mr. Bennett's direction when his counsel made this statement. Alternatively, the President contended that when Mr. Bennett said that "there is absolutely no sex of any kind," Mr. Bennett was speaking only in the present tense and thus was making a completely true statement. The President further stated: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is," and that "actually, in the present tense that is an accurate statement." ?!: ...the world doesn't have the same mind set you do. Please remember your "common values" are not all that "common." I hesitate to go off on another tangent regarding the importance of values, knowing what they are, what they should be, and how the well-being of future generations depend on them. I'll just say this: Pop culture doesn't exist in a vacuum, leaving its consumers uneffected. If it can enlighten and uplift, it can degrade as well. And I would like to think that most American parents of young children would be disgusted at the lyrics of the Ying Yang Twins' "Wait (The Whisper Song)," which I linked above as an example of how pornographic pop music has become a quarter-century after "Start Me Up." If the parents who sang "You'd make a dead man cum" are singing "Beat the p---y up, BAM! BAM! BAM!" with their teens, it's only a matter of time before some cultural event more shocking then the Madonna-Britney kiss or another teacher-student hookup will occur that will make everyone reading this post say, "How did we get here?" long after it's too late to do anything about it. At that point, "common values" will be longed for rather than feared. Commander Cody suggested that I would be happier living in the days of Leave It To Beaver. I don't think so -- someone like me wouldn't be allowed to live in the same neighborhood with the Cleavers, and the Ohio National Guard might have been called to get me into Miss Landers' class. If you know your history, you know what I mean by that.
BlogZilla: Are you actually comparing some of us who don't agree with you to those that didn't agree with the Lord Himself? No. And you know good and well that I'm not doing that. Either that, or your reading comprehension skills are below high school level, and you can't figure out the difference between talking about baggy jeans-wearing delinquents and alleging that everyone who wears baggy jeans are delinquents, much less grasp John chapter 6. But I don't think you're stupid. I think that you're just a liar.
Well, it seems that you are correct about John Mellencamp's meaning about "I remember when you could stop a clock" -- but it wouldn't necessarily be a good idea to walk up to a hottie and say "You could stop a clock." I would do it. I was raised in a small town in Michigan and that was a high compliment to a hot girl. Guess maybe only city folk managed to turn it into an insult. Commander Cody suggested that I would be happier living in the days of Leave It To Beaver. I don't think so -- someone like me wouldn't be allowed to live in the same neighborhood with the Cleavers, and the Ohio National Guard might have been called to get me into Miss Landers' class. If you know your history, you know what I mean by that. Oh My God he's black!! AND a "family values" Republican too I'm sure. Voting for Georgie so gays won't marry, while Bush robs you blind at every turn. You guys are rarer then hens teeth! I'll bet you bought right into old Georgie Porgie's "family values" and were happy to get some of his bribes...oh...excuse me "faith based" money. And don't worry about being able to live in the Cleaver neighborhood. Those fine folks with all the "values" always let a few "good" ones live in the area to do the cooking and cleaning. Still want to go back to the good old days?
