When I say manny needs to shut his mouth and play it's because I live in New Engalnd and all you hear is Manny doesn't want to play in Boston this and that. Well, yeah, but as you point out, a lot of this is how it's played in the New England sports media. The Red Sox, in particular, inspire both intense fawning veneration and obsessive (self-)loathing in some of the very same sportswriters. There's no, "Heh, yeah, they're a decent team this year, they're doing ok," no, they're either God or Satan. So it's not Manny; Red Sox subjects very often get treated with this sort of extreme mood swing.
When I say manny needs to shut his mouth and play it's because I live in New Engalnd and all you hear is Manny doesn't want to play in Boston this and that. Waa Sounds like the same thing applies to you. Don't turn on WEEI, don't watch sports final w/Lobel or NECN with Chris Collins. You have the ability to avoid any and all Manny talk. But, that's also not what you said. You equated Manny shutting up with him being outstanding. Manny is the 1A right handed hitter in the game, the Red Sox are not exploring trades with him because he's a problem or his contract is too big. He wants out. He says he doesn't want to play here anymore, if so inclined he could retire and they'd get nothing. He's forcing their hand and I think it's apparent they have the advantage in bargaining...they don't have to do jack, he's under contract.
That could be part of it however I still hate the lack of effort (mostly base running)I see in him during games. He has an arrogant way about him that gets on my nerves. I would hate it in any player.
So, what's Manny's personal issue that Ortiz alluded to? Anyone have any idea why exactly he wants to get outta town?
John Olerud was one of the nicest and classiest guys (as perceived by the media) on the Blue Jays during his time. How often do you hear of a player winning the batting title being benched during a World Series game so someone else can play his position (and bat) instead? And then how many times do you find out that the benched player agrees it is best for the team and supports the move? I look forward to him appearing at future Blue Jay oldtimer appearances.
Dear Boston: We will take Manny Ramirez off your hands. Love, Every Other Team in Baseball
I still hate the lack of effort (mostly base running) I see in him during games. He has an arrogant way about him that gets on my nerves. I don't think you watch very many games then. Sounds like your opinion is solely shaped by the media. I'll stick to grum's opinion on Manny Ramirez, even with this "lack of effort" on the base paths you seem so disgusted by.
I would take Arod over Manny any day because he is a power hitter an awesome defender and he runs out his hits you never see him stand and admire his hit and then end up on first base. Manny is getting a shit load of money to play a game and he's complaining about playing in Boston because he wants a private life yet he calls constant attention to himself. Such as his episode of climbing into the green monster during a game. Also I don't watch those sport shows like I said it's on my local news channels. But even if I turn off the news I would still here it from most of the red sox fans.
Yukon you can't even tell me that Manny puts an effort into baserunning or your not watching the games not me. Even the Red sox announcers complain about his base running. You can assume that I don't watch the games all you want however your incorrect I watch baseball from start to finish and the only two teams I watch faithfully are the Yankees and the red sox.
Yukon you can't even tell me that Manny puts an effort into baserunning or your not watching the games not me. Well, how do you measure "effort"? Do you have a heart rate monitor on the guy? What exactly are you using as your metric? Even the Red sox announcers complain about his base running. What was I saying about New England sports media?
Mea Culpa Mea Culpa Mea Culpa Mea Culpa ...bastards.
I'm a Yankeefan & a Manny fan. I liked him in Cleveland & I like him in Boston, but I always said that with Manny you need a good 3rd base coach. One that will step out across the line when Manny connects & point to 1st base. Otherwise poor Manny might run the wrong way around the bases. Talking about Manny's smarts & baserunning skills is a bit like talking about the integrity & honesty of Pete Rose, the stunning good looks of Otis Nixon, the global views of Ricky Henderson. He'll never win the Nobel Prize but the man is a baseball player through & through. Point your thumbs towards the sky - index fingers horizontal, like little pistols - point them left then right & repeat after me ..."He da Manny"
You can assume that I don't watch the games all you want however your incorrect I have such a problem with this. Right, lbb? There were 3 instances last season where Manny had a routine ground out and didn't hustle to first. Suddenly, that's turned into he's lazy and doesn't play with any intensity. I also distinctly remember that after each of those blow ups in the media, within a week you'd see him barrel-assing it to second on a shot in the gap. Those in the media take credit for that by saying "look what we did, he's running hard now". At the same time they'll criticize him if he gets out. You can't win in Boston. Does Manny get frustrated and dog it to first base when when he grounds into an obvious double play? Yes. But everyone who thinks that they can do the physics on determining whether he would have been safe running 100% is totally dillusional. It's a non-issue to me and if turning it into some kind of character issue in preserving the purity of the game works for you, stick with it. I'll take Manny and his production...and his 3 jogs to first a season.
I am from the Boston area, and I think anyone who wants Manny out of here are not true fans of the game. He is one of the best hitters our generation will ever see. And when he is gone Red sox fans will see what he meant to this team and how amazing he was to watch hit. Sure he is odd to say the least, but wait you'll see. Also watch Ortiz's numbers drop next year. Its the knee jerk reactions of the boston media and fans that is driving the guy out here anyway. and when we bring up his lazyness, go back and check the tapes, there were plenty of times when Ortiz didn't run out grounders....never heard a pep from the media, but that has nothing to do with the fact they like him, right? Watch the best hitters in the game most of them dog it to first from time to time, MANNY PLEASE STAY P.S why do all Yankee fans start off there sentences with" I'm a Yankee fan" ?.You make great points though Knuckleballer
Bottom line, Manny is a damn good ballplayer. He's just a kook.
As a Yankee fan, I look forward to a Red Sox lineup without Manny. That would be a dream come true. Please send him to the NL. If the Angels end up with the guy, then you'll be reading only about Vlad-Manny, and not anything more about Ortiz.
I have such a problem with this. Right, lbb? It's hard to say what's worse lately, the fanbois or the haters.
I wasn't saying anything about dogging it to first base on a ground ball. What I was referring to is the way he stands at the plate when he thinks he has a homerun that ends up staying in the park. Then he ends up on first where if he was running out of the box he'd have a double or a triple. As for David ortiz maybe the media doesn't beat him up because he doesn't have the speed to begin with. Manny has the speed but doesn't use it SOME times. However dogging it on a possible ground ball is also wrong you never know what can happen what if the ball is thrown slightly off line. But I guess the attitude hey I'm out anyway why try is an acceptable one to you. Yep I'm a hater. I would be outraged if this was a Yankee player. Not to mention I never said that he sucked. I said he could be outstanding. I see where I can be called a hater.
So, Renteria is gone (Pretty sure that's also part of this post). I thought they had Lowell to play third? Can this guy play first?
Anyone can play first.
I said he could be outstanding. Manny Ramirez IS outstanding. He's the best right-handed hitter in the American League, it's barely argueable. You're in all these threads hating and making outrageous, unfounded comments. You did specifically mention his base-running, admiring a home run ball when it goes foul or goes out, does not involve base running...so you don't have a problem with those? I would be outraged if this was a Yankee player. First, at least you admitted, mostly, to being a Yankee fan. Second, you don't have to worry about him being a Yankee he can ruin another team. Also, don't pretend to be an informed Red Sox fan to prove your point. Be a Yankee fan and hate on Manny, it's OK.
He's the best right-handed hitter in the American League Barley arguable, did we forget this years AL MVP? I digress. Manny is risk/reward situation. Is the fact that he can be club house cancer worth his ability at the plate? I'd take him in heartbeat.
Barley arguable, did we forget this years AL MVP? I thought that was because of defense, not offense. 
Anyone can play first. Never saw Dr. Strangeglove? Even his license plate was funny - E3.
Yukon He beats him in the "stats that count" A-ROD .421 OBP .610 slugging and for the "less important stats" .321 BA 48 HR and 130 RBI MANNY .388 OBP .594 slugging .292 BA 45HR and 144 RBI Not to say the Manny isn't an incredable hitter, its just that Alex was better these past seasons. Manny does have a slight edge in career stats but also has a couple of years on A-Rod. I really didn't intend on this turning into a Yanks vs Sox post but uh Yukon started it.
omg, I was fucking joking. Sorry the sarcasm in the own3d image wasn't enough to signal I wasn't legitimately interested in opening that discussion.
Sorry I see soxs fans and I just wanna argue. Its a genetic thing.
I never pretended to be an informed sox fan. I watch all their games because I'm interested to see what happens in the division for the Yankees. I said I watch the games. Never said that I was routing for them to win. I would have thought my screen name made it obvious I was a yankee fan.
would have thought my screen name made it obvious I was a yankee fan I never saw that. I always sucked at bumper stumpers though. 
Anyone can play first. This obviously comes from someone who's never played real competitive baseball. We're not talking about girl's junior high softball. Hopefully that comment was made as a joke.
This obviously comes from someone who's never played real competitive baseball. We're not talking about girl's junior high softball. Hopefully that comment was made as a joke. From age 4 to 20, every position except catcher. Do I make the cut? A joke? Partly, partly not. Anyone can play first. Not everyone can play first well. Got a great bat who can't run and sucks in the field? If you can't dh him, put him at first. Where would you play ortiz if he can't dh? First. Can a guy who won a gold glove at third play first? Of course, because anyone (at the ML level, and that's what we're talking about) can play first. You just have to need him in the lineup bad enough.
I never pretended to be an informed sox fan. I watch all their games because I'm interested to see what happens in the division for the Yankees. Good Christ, get the Season Ticket package or get Netflix. I cannot imagine watching my team's arch-rival for 162 games (totally believable, by the way) just to see how they're doing.
Also, anyone can play first. See Vaughn, Mo . . .
Anyone can play first. Not everyone can play first well. I think that's the point. You could say that about every position, if you just want to put someone there and call them a first baseman, center fielder, etc. You don't notice how important a good first baseman is until you're saddled with a shitty one with no range, can't start a double play, can't make a lead throw to a pitcher covering first, etc. If it's just a matter of putting someone there, the Sox can just thrown Huge Papi there and, since he can hit, they have their first baseman. Good luck.
I feel like you're being obtuse. The defensive requirements of first base are lower than any other defensive position you care to name. Teams have certainly hidden any number of defensive liabilities there. Ortiz could and has played first base for the Sox when it worked out for the lineup, but usually they have some other decent hitter who's at least slightly better with the glove.
First base is also a place for people who throw lefty.
You could say that about every position That's why Greg Luzinski, Chris Chambliss and Mark McGwire are known as the greatest double play combo in MLB history.
Talking about the Red Sox and fielding requirements doesn't make much sense.
