2007 NFL Draft.: Early projections on the top 20 college player picks.
posted by FonGu to football at 06:23 AM - 42 comments
Can someone explain to me why Troy Smith isn't on that list? Please? I'm not an OSU fan, but why are Drew Stanton and Brady Quinn viewed as better quarterbacks?
posted by apoch at 07:40 AM on December 26
I agree with you apoch, especially with Stanton being ahead of Smith. That makes no sense to me.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 07:46 AM on December 26
I would probably wait until the Bowl season and the NFL season is over to check this list out. I just want to know what pick my Lowly Lions are going to screw up on.
posted by wingnut4life at 09:47 AM on December 26
I can't believe that Smith was only the eighth ranked quarterback on the list and Colt Brennan of Hawaii didn't even make the list.
posted by johnnylaw at 10:08 AM on December 26
I believe the knock on Troy Smith is that he is at or under 6' (listed as 6'1"). The NFL likes be 6'5'', 230 lb quarterbacks with laser rocket arms.
posted by bperk at 10:12 AM on December 26
For historical perspective, here are the site's top prospects for 2005 and 2006.
posted by bperk at 10:17 AM on December 26
With Historical perspective included, this list is freaking useless. The 2006 list was particularly comical.
posted by LostInDaJungle at 10:24 AM on December 26
That shouldn't be enough of a knock for the creaters of the list to warrent placing Smith as the 8th best quarterback prospect.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 10:27 AM on December 26
Scouts, Inc. has him as the 4th best QB behind Quinn, Brohm, and Stanton. They also cite sloppy mechanics and character problems as his weaknesses.
posted by bperk at 10:45 AM on December 26
He'll make a fine 4th string reciever I'm sure.......and charachter issues? at ohio state? who would have ever guessed......... Love, Maurice
posted by RyanJSchultz1 at 12:51 PM on December 26
Fact of the matter is , they don't know. It is their best guess and well some of them aren't to good at it. As for the 6'+ laser rocket arms, you obviously have never seen him throw. As for the height, well let me see Drew Brees, Jeff Garcia (not for the recent so much as the 3 pro bowls before), JP Losman, those are just a few starting now under 6'1 or so. We don't even need to go to some of the older guys. I am not going to predict greatness but will say this, Watch where he is after the combines..then this whole debate can be revisited.
posted by dbrown41 at 12:56 PM on December 26
I prefer Scott Wright at NFL Draft Countdown. Scott has Smith listed as his No. 2 QB behind Quinn. The knocks I see are size and his tendency to drop his arm and deliver a sort of sidearm toss on occasion. With his stature, that could be deadly.
posted by wfrazerjr at 01:11 PM on December 26
Troy Smith will end up being another black QB running trick plays and returning kicks in the NFL
posted by JADEN2900 at 01:22 PM on December 26
I prefer Scott Wright at NFL Draft Countdown. Scott has Smith listed as his No. 2 QB behind Quinn. On the mock draft, he has Oakland taking Calvin Johnson #2 overall. I hope they don't do that. They should take Thomas. And, I can't imagine a worst fate for Quinn than having to go to Detroit. Maybe he can pull an Eli and force a trade. Of course, that doesn't seem to be working out so well for Eli, so maybe not.
posted by bperk at 01:32 PM on December 26
Joseph Addai,did'nt even make list in 2006.1000 rusher this year as a rookie. Half the ones on that list ,warm benches.Lots depends on what team they get drafted to.
posted by goodknight at 02:36 PM on December 26
Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith isn't in the top 20? Thats unreal, he is the best player in the nation as of now. Also, Brian Brohm, a very good quarterback, should be up there. Adrian Peterson, too? Come on.
posted by a24kurtz02 at 04:19 PM on December 26
That mock draft Fraze linked to is interesting, no Troy Smith in the first round at all, but his order of selection has me thinking the guy expects Indianapolis to win the Super Bowl. A lot's happened since the last update on Dec. 6 in that department, eh?
posted by billsaysthis at 04:34 PM on December 26
Troy Smith will end up being another black QB running trick plays and returning kicks in the NFL Whoa whoa whoa. Hold up. Can you perhaps be more specific before lumping all black QBs into the same "gadget player" niche?
posted by igottheblues at 04:52 PM on December 26
What qb's return kicks?
posted by louisville_slugger at 05:00 PM on December 26
Regarding Brohm and Peterson not being on the top 20 list, I think that is because the list only shows the top 20 senior prospects. Brohm is the second best QB on the list, and Peterson is the number one running back.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 05:02 PM on December 26
Troy Smith's not in the top 20 -- does that mean that right now, it seems unlikely that any team's gonna be power-shopping for a franchise QB?
posted by lil_brown_bat at 06:41 PM on December 26
Michael Bush is their highest rated rb and he's a junior. It's pretty well known that he's entering the draft, but I didn't think it was official yet.
posted by louisville_slugger at 06:43 PM on December 26
Troy Smith will end up being another black QB running trick plays and returning kicks in the NFL Learn the game before popping off about "black quartebacks". Fact is Joe Theismann, Rich Gannon, Matt Jones, Eric Crouch and many other "white quarterbacks" were "reciever/return" prospects when they came out due to speed and overall athletic ability. The fact that so many "black and white" quarterbacks can make an adjustment and play other positions in the NFL after playing a different position in college tells me they were well coached, studied well and had a knack for the overall game that most can not grasp.
posted by johnnylaw at 07:20 PM on December 26
ohio state is a great football team. put him with any other college team nobody would be talking of him. Laser rocket arms like payton (who will never win a super bowl) manning. brohm will go before
posted by Triand1030 at 08:58 PM on December 26
As a ND fan, I have mixed feelings about Quinn as a possible #1. You want to see a guy from "your team" go high, but I don't want to see him end up at the Raiders, Lions, or Browns (I'm also a Steelers fan). I concider the Raiders and Lions to be Black Hole Teams that suck away the talent of whatever player who has the misfortune to end up there. Maybe one of the weaker teams will draft Quinn when the don't have a need for a QB and use him as trade bait.
posted by FonGu at 06:04 AM on December 27
Josh Cribbs and Randle El are QBs turned kick returners.
posted by the don at 11:40 AM on December 27
1. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame 2. Brian Brohm*, Louisville 3. Drew Stanton, Michigan State 4. Jordan Palmer, UTEP 5. Kyle Wright*, Miami-Fla. 6. Chad Henne*, Michigan 7. Tyler Palko, Pittsburgh How do these guys beat out the heisman winner? I understand Quinn and maybe even Brohm, but palko, palmer, wright, come on
posted by lucky23pjq at 12:39 PM on December 27
The Heisman Trophy winner is the eight rated quarterback in the draft? It's now obvisous that a so-so quarterback on an outstanding team can easily out distance the competition during the Heisman Trophy voting.
posted by BlindAlvin at 12:40 PM on December 27
Letís remember that the Heisman Trophy is for football accomplishments at the collegiate level. It has very little to do with what the NFL sees in a player or what the player will become at the next level. Eric Crouch anyone? A perfect example that the HT doesnít have any relevance to the NFL. How bout Andre Ware? Please donít blame the Lions for Mr. Ware; he just wasnít an NFL talent. I am sure there are other trophy winners that didnít do much in the NFL & some that did, my point is this; The Heisman trophy doesnít mean anything for draft position or success in the NFL.
posted by directpressure at 01:18 PM on December 27
The Heisman Trophy winner is the eight rated quarterback in the draft? It's now obvisous that a so-so quarterback on an outstanding team can easily out distance the competition during the Heisman Trophy voting. I would question the veracity of the website this list was posted on before I'd rag on the Heisman voters for getting it wrong. I'm guessing there's a little more sports knowledge, specifically football knowledge, at the Downtown Athletic Club than there is at Sportznutz Dot Com.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 02:23 PM on December 27
The Heisman in no longer the BEST PLAYER, its the best player on the best team.
posted by ok5561 at 06:23 PM on December 27
just goes to prove "another list compiled by dead brain cells", Who in their right mind would pick a QB that had a mediocre season, lost soundly to any top rated team, just because he is 2 or 3 inches taller than the QB that went undefeated against top rated teams. Maybe ND or boosters have deep pockets to "buy" Quinn these positions. Only thing I can figure.
posted by rockyxgone at 07:06 PM on December 27
C'mon lets ease up on Notre Dame, after all they are one of our military service academies. Who else plays Army, Navy and Air Force every year? Maybe they truly are the "Fighting" Irish. Here is a link to show just how superior they are to all the non-believers- http://www.notredamesucks.org/
posted by johnnylaw at 07:25 PM on December 27
Who else plays Army, Navy and Air Force every year? Actually, they only play Navy every year. This year they happened to play all three Academies. The Navy game is a tribute to service to the university dating back to WW II.
posted by FonGu at 07:42 PM on December 27
So what exactly is wrong with Brady Quinn? He's a fairly prototypical pro QB who has been playing in an NFL-style offense in college. Or did you just want to grouse about some team you don't like?
posted by yerfatma at 07:47 PM on December 27
The reason Notre Dame gave this year about playing Navy every year was: "So that we could play for all of the East Coast fans that we have". The fact that it is one of the few places that would accomodate more Notre Dame fans than the home fans is just a bonus (and an easy Win). I agree that Brady Quinn could be a very good QB in the pros, he seems to have most of the tools. We got a bit off subject with the ND thing and I just added a link I found while trying to find their schedule for the past few years. It is an amusing link if I must say so myself.
posted by johnnylaw at 08:23 PM on December 27
/bites tongue extremely hard, then realizes that tongues are of no use on an internet sports blog
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 08:35 PM on December 27
Time for the Giants to rebuild, Manning has been a wash. Give us a black quarterback who runs trick plays and knows how to throw to the spot and not to the player.
posted by sportingo at 03:40 AM on December 28
The reason Notre Dame gave this year about playing Navy every year was: "So that we could play for all of the East Coast fans that we have". "Despite the one-sided result the last few decades, most Notre Dame and Navy fans consider the series a sacred tradition for historical reasons. Notre Dame, like many colleges, faced severe financial difficulties during World War II. The US Navy made Notre Dame a training center and paid enough for usage of the facilities, with federal tax money, to keep the University afloat. Notre Dame has since extended an open invitation for Navy to play the Irish in football and considers the game annual repayment on a debt of honor."
posted by yerfatma at 08:59 AM on December 28
Naw, yerfatma, they just do it for an easy win, dude. Totally.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 09:54 AM on December 28
Honestly this is re-bloody-diculous....I can't even believe how brainwashed and blind people are on this Notre Dame Bandwagon that has posioned the earth....What in ALL of Quinn's games this year shouted " i'm a #1 draft pick"? Doesn't number one stand for simply AMAZING plays and having your BEST games be when your under the WORST situations? Quinn ONLY had good games against Texas High School teams (aka: Navy, Army, and Michigan State, etc..) I feel like i'm taking CRAZY pills that i'm the ONLY person in the world that sees Quinn as BARELY a servicable QB for the NFL. This cat is going to end up like Joey Harrington in the NFL and throw lots of interceptions and accomplish nothing......and HOW in the name of all that's good and holy did EVERYONE forget all that Troy Smith has done the last few years? Did any of you actually WATCH any of the OSU games? Hell, you don't have to watch the whole games..just go to YouTube and look at his highlights...the man is a flipping GENIUS in practically every play that looks botched and turns it into a TD or First down...Your telling me...you would rather have Quinn on your team than TROY SMITH??? ...Smith is handsdown a better leader and talent overall.... It boggles the mind that people are willing to say he's the greatest for COLLEGE play , but all the sudden his 3 inches of shortness compared to Quinn is suddenly going to make him stupid and throw the ball eracticly in PRO play....Troy Smith is going to be even better than Drew Brees and be the next Tom Brady winning SB's....I just hope the Lions are smart enough to see that Smith is the whole package instead of taking a vastly overrated Quinn or just an "arm" like Russel.
posted by DetroitBBall at 01:55 AM on January 07
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