Big Ben the newest Chicago Bull?: He wasn't happy with the Pistons initial offer. So Wallace will sign with the Bulls for $52 Mill over 4 years. True Hoop has a good recap of how the story could develop. Still waiting for reaction from Blog-a-Bull.
posted by lilnemo to basketball at 07:57 PM - 33 comments
True Hoop link was missing from FPP. PANTHEON can you plug that URL in please?
posted by lilnemo at 07:58 PM on July 03
Say it ain't so!! First Stevie Y., now Big Ben. Not a banner day for Detroit sports.
posted by ctal1999 at 08:01 PM on July 03
Here's the reaction from Blog-a-Bull.
posted by lilnemo at 08:44 PM on July 03
posted by Barry-from-H-town at 08:52 PM on July 03
This is totally surprising. I thought he wanted to stay in Detroit.
posted by STUNNER at 08:59 PM on July 03
So much for being part of team... Big Ben's loss!!
posted by reiffer9 at 09:19 PM on July 03
can you plug that URL in please? Done. And yes, wow.
posted by justgary at 09:19 PM on July 03
So much for being part of team... Big Ben's loss!! True hoop has it down pat (except for the part where they say ben wallace is worth 20-30 wins; that's ridiculous). If he does leave, Ben's going to the a younger, tough on D, up and coming winner and leaving the old guys in the dust. Not a bad career move, imo. The bummer is that that DET will be just about capped out if they extend Tayshaun, leaving only the MLE to sign Ben's replacement. Not good.
posted by ninjavshippo at 09:40 PM on July 03
posted by weeklyguy at 09:53 PM on July 03
The first couple years will be awesome. However, he is 32 and will begin to wear down................
posted by wdminott at 10:00 PM on July 03
I'm not shocked...Flip Saunders is not using his big man at all on the offensive end of the floor. Ben Wallace has SOME offensive game...but lets not get all antsy calling him the next Tim Duncan (or hell, the next Shaq). But the truth is, Wallace is in a great place. The Bulls have a great...I mean GREAT nucleus in tact. Gordon, Nioccioni, Henrich, Duhon and Deng make up the backcourt while Tyrus Thomas, Mike Sweetney and Tyson Chandler have added a pit bull inside. Chicago, you have just made the Central division the 2nd best in the NBA (to that powerful Southwest division in the West that is home to Dallas, San Antonio, Memphis, a rising New Orleans team and the Houston Rockets).
posted by chemwizBsquared at 12:37 AM on July 04
Ben Wallace has SOME offensive game... Every single person who has ever made a post on SportsFilter has SOME offensive game. Wallace possibly has the worse offensive ability out of anyone in the NBA. People make a big deal how he was undrafted out of Virginia Union, but there was a reason for that. Plus, there is no way in hell you can have an offensive game that will have even a small impact when you consistantly airball free throws. As for Wallace leaving, it is just like everything else in sports, its all about the money. $52 million is more than what the Pistons were offering, so he took it. This sort of thing happens all the time in all sports, and I'm not saying I like it, but it happens. Yes he won a championship, was part of an amazing group of players, was the most loved Piston by the fans; but this was his oppurtunity to make more money than he ever has before, something that won't be around in a few years. So, he took it. However, I don't think this move will put the Bulls into the finals. Will they become a contender? As long as somebody can pick up the scoring lax coming from their new center. Unfortunatley, it has been said many a time, this is the coming age of the superstar. LeBron James, Wade, Howard, Arenas, and even Bosh; they are the future of the NBA. And as they get into their primes, watch out because the East will be a very dangerous conference indeed. Also, do not count out the Pistons just yet. I believe they can win without Ben Wallace, it just depends on how much they can pick it up on the defensive end. The transition will be made easier in that almost nothing will have to be done to make up for a loss in offensive production.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 05:48 AM on July 04
Chicago, you have just made the Central division the 2nd best in the NBA (to that powerful Southwest division in the West that is home to Dallas, San Antonio, Memphis, a rising New Orleans team and the Houston Rockets). Chemwiz, we finally agree on something basketball-related. You're right, both divisions will be a bloodbath, so I hope that the playoff rule which saw a Dallas-SA 2nd-round matchup will be off the books by then.
posted by smithers at 07:23 AM on July 04
Chicago looks great with this deal. I like their team against 90% of the NBA now. I see depth, defence, bigs, smalls - and they can play almost any type of game. A great signing - and four years was the right length. Detroit would surprise me if they were even remotely the same team after this. They dogged it in the playoffs with Wallace (their heart and soul) and without him they lose a huge part of their defensive intimidation.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:37 AM on July 04
You're right on with that, Weedy. You have to wonder if the crap performance most of the team gave in the playoffs was a factor in his decision to move on. For awhile, Joe D. was consistently pulling great acquisitions (that may not have looked that way at the time) out of his...hat. Looks like he needs to do it again.
posted by ctal1999 at 09:01 AM on July 04
ben wallace is just the stepping stone, I think the possible trade for P J Brown and the depth of bench is going to be unreal....watch out for thomas, the boy can ball
posted by s_faehr at 09:41 AM on July 04
They dogged it in the playoffs with Wallace Maybe when they made their runs to the Finals, but this year Wallace did not look like the same player. He looked older and slower, and I think his best years are behind him. Also, anyone who shoots under 30% from the line in the playoffs almost has no right to even be on a NBA team.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 09:41 AM on July 04
Actually, the Bulls offered Ben Wallace $60 million over 4 years. The Pistons were offering $49 mill over 4 years and an extra $12 mill sure works for me. People can gribe all they want about Big Ben taking the money and running off to Chicago...and your point is? The man has a family and future to think about and regardless of what zip code he may play for, his family comes first. Ben Wallace has been underpaid for 10 years now considering the 'rare' type of player that he is and it's time for Ben to get paid. Not one player besides Dennis Rodman has played the boards as aggressively as Big Ben does, besides...my Sixers couldn't lock him up so what do I care LMAO
posted by BornIcon at 10:34 AM on July 04
You may be right, Icon, but I still don't think it was all about the money (although there's no doubt that was part of it). I think he was upset with the effort put forth by most of the Pistons during the playoffs and he got a shot at an up and coming team that's HUNGRY. I'll miss him in Detroit, but it'll be interesting to see how the team meshes in Chicago.
posted by ctal1999 at 11:14 AM on July 04
Somebody's got to put a fro wig on the Jordan statue outside the United Center.
posted by Bill Lumbergh at 11:53 AM on July 04
Wow! That would be considered sacrilege by Bulls fans...but it's funny!!
posted by ctal1999 at 12:08 PM on July 04
The man has a family and future to think about and regardless of what zip code he may play for, his family comes first. Dude, his family is not going hungry either way. That's such a bullshit argument. He went for the duckets, and I'd have done the same. Let's leave the "feed my family" bit to fools like Latrell Sprewell.
posted by dusted at 04:00 PM on July 04
it's about time someone in the bulls managment know how to spend money that not theirs. Buy a couple more players like Ben Wallace, then maybe the Bulls will be in the NBA finals again...we can only hope!!!!
posted by anndebra at 06:26 PM on July 04
I think this is definitely Ben's loss. Joe Dumars and the recent nucleus of pistons are no fools. They may miss his image but his talent for that price is easily replaced. These are a bunch of hard working guys that will pick up where they left off and be a formidable force again next year. I don't think chicago can even come close to what the pistons have even without big ben
posted by mgobluefan at 08:41 PM on July 04
Blue, I would have agreed with you until the last playoff series. They were flat, flat flat. Something changed in the team chemistry and I'm not sure they can get back on track. I hope so, but I have my doubts.
posted by ctal1999 at 09:02 PM on July 04
Stop it with this "family comes first stuff". Our family comes first not only because we love them but because we are not getting paid millions to do our job. Let me ask you all this...Will the difference of 2.9 million break him or keep him from securing a great financial future for his family? Ben left out of anger and he will pay the price for leaving in haste. Hind sight will be 20/20 for him and there is nothing that he will be able to do about it. The bulls will not be a contender with him. He can rebound and block shots . I will give him credit there but he is a disgrace on the line and scoring in general. He makes Chicago lose offensive production and they cant contend with any other NBA team if they are going to lose offensive productiom. Think about it Ben!
posted by gunz4u at 11:13 PM on July 04
Lose offense production from their previous center/pf? There wasn't much there to begin with.
posted by corpse at 11:22 PM on July 04
BornIcon: "Actually, the Bulls offered Ben Wallace $60 million over 4 years. The Pistons were offering $49 mill over 4 years and an extra $12 mill sure works for me. " I think you mean an extra $11 milllion. mgobluefan: "I think this is definitely Ben's loss. Joe Dumars and the recent nucleus of pistons are no fools. They may miss his image but his talent for that price is easily replaced. These are a bunch of hard working guys that will pick up where they left off and be a formidable force again next year. I don't think chicago can even come close to what the pistons have even without big ben" Dude, wtf are you smoking? You need to hook that up. "They may miss his image but his talent for that price is easily replaced." How is that easily replaced? Do you even know what the NBA stands for?
posted by STUNNER at 01:20 AM on July 05
ying yang is on it Im with you all the way!!!!
posted by skins fan at 03:54 AM on July 05
They may miss his image but his talent for that price is easily replaced. That makes very little sense at all. He led the team in rebounding six years in a row, was named to the All-Defensive Team four years in a row, was the NBA Defensive Player of the Year three out of the last four years, is only the fifth man in NBA history to record 100 blocks and 100 steals in five consecutive seasons, is the first person in NBA history to record 1000 rebounds, 100 steals and 100 blocks in consecutive seasons, and is the only man in Detroit history to grab 1000 rebounds and 200 steals for three consecutive seasons. Yeah, guys like that just fall off the turnip truck everyday. Should be no problem replacing him.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:47 AM on July 05
Puffy (then) and the Bad Boy Family said it best..."All about the Benjamins baby!" Ben will be missed in Detroit, but I believe the Pistons needed a shot in the arm after the ECF! Hopefully this will be it and they will put it together next season and make another run for the LOT! (Praying: Can they please get KG or Bonzi somehow, someway...Joe D. make some magic again!)
posted by bkdet at 08:55 AM on July 05
Does Big Ben know that Jordan and Pippen retired already?
posted by dmontez1392 at 06:30 PM on July 05
Does Big Ben know that Jordan and Pippen retired already? Does your mom know you're on the computer?
posted by The_Black_Hand at 06:14 AM on July 06
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