FanDuel - WFBC

September 27, 2009

Favre's Incredible Last-Second Touchdown Sends Vikes Over Niners: Brett Favre completed an epic 32-yard touchdown pass with two seconds left to lead the Minnesota Vikings to a 27-24 home victory over the San Francisco 49ers. See the video. Recent roster pickup Greg Lewis made the back-of-the-endzone catch over Everson Walls, er, Mike Roman.

posted by rcade to football at 07:43 PM - 53 comments

Wow. That's the ol' Gunslinger for ya. Since there was no Panthers game this afternoon, the local sports radio station had this game's broadcast. I sat in the Lowe's parking lot listening to the last drive of the game and it was an exciting as hell thing to listen to. So, it was cool to see the video of that last play.

posted by NoMich at 08:03 PM on September 27

Somewhere John Madden is contemplating coming out of retirement.

posted by dyams at 08:51 PM on September 27

And at NBC studios in New York, Peter King just did this.

posted by holden at 08:54 PM on September 27

Unreal. It's kind of amazing that I expected it from a 39 year old quarterback to engineer a last minute drive for a touchdown but I did. You can't count him out until there's :00 on the clock.

posted by dfleming at 09:31 PM on September 27

Helluva catch.

posted by aerotive at 10:00 PM on September 27

Let's give some props to Greg Lewis here: the guy has barely seen the field in the first two games (and only joined the team just before week 1), and he had to make a spectacular catch and get both feet in to win the game. Not that Favre doesn't deserve praise for buying time to make the throw (and the throw itself), but the guy making the catch deserves his due.

posted by TheQatarian at 10:03 PM on September 27

Favre says he did not know who it was, he just saw the receiver open and threw it where only he could throw it, paraphrasing of course. Helluva catch rookie! Number 4 is kinda famous for finding the unheralded newcomer, huh.

posted by kerrycindy at 10:30 PM on September 27

As I've said all along, glad to have Favre in purple.

The man is a competitor, and those that counted him out are oddly quiet of late. Man, I hope he makes it through the season!

posted by dviking at 12:01 AM on September 28

dviking,

In all fairness, this was the 1st team, as Simmons put it, that could even be described as mediocre, much less good. Even if they are a solid team, that still is Favre's 1st win as a vike against a decent team. Before the season even started, analysts were saying that the Vikes could be 4 or 5-0 before they played anyone of repute.

No sour grapes here, just saying let's keep this "Brett's still got it" in context. He didn't play bad the 1st half of the season last year either. I'm guessing most Jets fans are okay with him being gone.

He is a hall-of-famer, an icon, and all that. In addition to that, he is also a guy who for more than a decade has significantly contributed to his team's playoff demises. All i am saying is that few were "counting him out" against the Lions/Browns in September; they were counting him out in December/January. Great play/great win today, but that does nothing to change this assessment, sorry.

posted by brainofdtrain at 12:54 AM on September 28

brain...whatever.

Reread my post and find the "brett's still got it" reference.

I'm glad he's there to replace T-Jack, and he is one hell of a competitor.

BTW, many of the detractors were speaking to how it was going to take many weeks for Favre to be productive due to reporting to camp late, and how he was going to be a disruption to the team...that does not appear to be the case.

As to his end of year decline last year, yep noted. I think I referenced that.

As to Favre "significantly contributing" to his team's playoff demise...not sure what team you cheer for, but I'd gladly take two SB appearances, One SB win, four NFC championship games, and a 7 additional playoff appearances from 1992 to 2007.

posted by dviking at 11:42 AM on September 28

Viking,

I understand that you never said verbatim "Brett has still got it." That is focusing a little narrowly on direct verbal correspondence, isn't it? I was more referring to a growing general sentiment about Favre after beating possibly the 2 worst teams in the NFL & a team from arguably the worst division in football (the AFC West might be worse, but that is another argument). These "i never said [insert phrase] verbatim" arguments are red herrings i think.

To address your points:

"BTW, many of the detractors were speaking to how it was going to take many weeks for Favre to be productive due to reporting to camp late, and how he was going to be a disruption to the team...that does not appear to be the case."

-Granted, many did say that. I will concede that; he has proven the naysayers wrong on that front, & good for him. However, this was only a part of the criticisms levelled at Favre from the beginning. One of the other main parts i referred to in my earlier post.

"As to Favre "significantly contributing" to his team's playoff demise...not sure what team you cheer for, but I'd gladly take two SB appearances, One SB win, four NFC championship games, and a 7 additional playoff appearances from 1992 to 2007."

-I am following you that he had a great run, but my point was that those SB's were a while ago, & the last several years his "gunslinger" mentality has led to INT's at the most inopportune moments. His last playoff game in Green Bay comes to mind. This has been pretty well documented I think.

Montana won a lot of SB's in his prime; did that make the Chiefs a favorite to win the AFC championship game when he was over the hill a bit? No, & they didn't. Did that tarnish his legacy? No.

At some point even the greats can't win the biggest games anymore. I think, given his age and recent health history, that is a perfectly valid concern, one not alleviated by beating down the Lions in September. That's all i am saying. I am not saying he isn't an all-time great or anything like that, or that his play yesterday wasn't fantastic. I just sensed that some are getting a little too excited at this point.

Would you agree Viking?

posted by brainofdtrain at 12:37 PM on September 28

I'm guessing most Jets fans are okay with him being gone.

Yup.

Terrific pass and catch but let's see how he does in December/January.

posted by cjets at 12:55 PM on September 28

One of the Boston talking heads said that if that play had required a short throw-and-catch, and a receiver had been wide open, Favre would have missed it. I agree with cjets. Let's just see how long it is before Favre unmercifully screws up another one.

posted by Howard_T at 01:53 PM on September 28

No sour grapes here, just saying let's keep this "Brett's still got it" in context. He didn't play bad the 1st half of the season last year either. I'm guessing most Jets fans are okay with him being gone.

It's no surprise that a torn bicep would lead to a sudden decline in production, is it? I mean...we can talk about how creaky and old he is, but I don't think another quarterback who suffered the same injury would do better. It's hard to throw when your arm isn't working correctly.

That's all i am saying. I am not saying he isn't an all-time great or anything like that, or that his play yesterday wasn't fantastic. I just sensed that some are getting a little too excited at this point.

If you're criticizing people for getting caught up in the magic of what happened yesterday, that's fair. If you really think that people expect that kind of gunslinging from Brett, game in, game out...you're not giving them enough credit. His game is different now but Jesus, did yesterday not look like the Brett of old? Just a litle bit?

He's managed games well so far and if he continues to do so, with the running game and defense that the Vikings put out there, it's fair to say they've got a fair shot at the postseason. He's not expected to be Drew Brees; he also doesn't have to be and I think he recognizes that.

posted by dfleming at 01:56 PM on September 28

Only one QB wins the superbowl each year and Favre has done and has gotten very close on several occasions. He has already proved he is durable and can play still play at his age as his recent performances have suggest.

Sundays throw was not just lucky nor was it a fluke as he has done this is pressure situations for a long time. Watch the tape, he not only had to scramble to avoid the sack, dodge the arm swipe, and then step up in the pocket and throw a hail mary. He did not just throw up a hail mary for anyone to grab, he throw a fifty yard line drive bullet and put it in the only spot where a Viking receiver could possibly make a play. Credit to the receiver as he made a spectacular catch of a spectacular throw. Just another day in the career of Brett Favre.

This guy is still an assett to every team he plays on. Sure he has thrown some bad balls in critical situations but let's face it the teams he has played on are in the critical situations because of his performance. Just because the best homerun hitters in history sometimes strike out when in critical situations doesn't mean you don't want them at the plate when you need a homer.

Favre bashing should be over because regardless of what he does from here on out he has proven he can still do it. Until he can no longer make the kind of throw he made Sunday he should play as long as he likes.

posted by Atheist at 02:54 PM on September 28

Favre bashing should be over because regardless of what he does from here on out he has proven he can still do it.

The NFL season, coaches like to say, is not a sprint but a marathon. As I said above, it was a terrific pass. But he needs to do that for 19+ games (if you include the playoffs).

Last year he was unable to do that. He finished with 22 interceptions. He choked down the stretch. So why should he be immune from criticism? He's a year older, not a year better.

Say what you want about his injury but he's a 40 year old man playing a young man's game and injuries are more likely. Plus, his BS regarding last year's injury means that he will put himself ahead of the team.

The Jets were and are glad to see the last of him. I wonder how the Vikings will feel in January.

posted by cjets at 03:11 PM on September 28

Favre bashing should be over because regardless of what he does from here on out he has proven he can still do it.

Favre's success/failure will be judged on an entire season, not 3 games. What a ridiculous statement.

posted by justgary at 03:27 PM on September 28

Plus, his BS regarding last year's injury means that he will put himself ahead of the team.

Considering what recently came out about the extent to which the Jets knew about his injury, I think it's unfair to pin that on him. They make the personnel decisions and they decided, even when he was struggling, they'd rather have him play than Kellen Clemens.

posted by dfleming at 03:29 PM on September 28

The NFL season, coaches like to say, is not a sprint but a marathon.

Favre's success/failure will be judged on an entire season, not 3 games.

Yet, in another thread on this site, Kolb's glorious 1.5-game performance has people claiming that both Vick and McNabb are trade-bait.

I don't have a dog in this hunt and I'm not trying to speak for Atheist, but I think it's pretty safe to say that the amount and tone of Favre-bashing is/has been disproportionate to the slack or praise given other players, when you compare his performance to others of equal length this season.

posted by littleLebowski at 03:34 PM on September 28

Considering what recently came out about the extent to which the Jets knew about his injury, I think it's unfair to pin that on him.

The NFL fined him as well. And given his prima donna me-first antics, I'm gonna take the Jets management side on this, though I will freely admit I have no idea what happened in those meetings late in the season.

posted by cjets at 03:40 PM on September 28

Yet, in another thread on this site, Kolb's glorious 1.5-game performance has people claiming that both Vick and McNabb are trade-bait.

That's reading comprehension; taking the word "or" and interpreting it as "both". Brilliant.

posted by dfleming at 04:35 PM on September 28

I am not saying that Favre's season should be judged at this point, but I certainly believe that in the first three games it has become clear that Favre has proven he can still play at the top level, he can still win, he can make the big high pressure throws and like I said many times before, there are few better with time running out in the 4th quarter, no time outs and the game on the line.

Obviously he felt he could and wanted to play. Regardless of what happens from here on out, the bottom line is nobody is yelling for Donovan McNabb's retirement, and he can't seem to get through a couple of games without injury, Favre has made 272 consecutive NFL starts and at forty he proved Sunday he still has the fire and the ability to do what few others can. I am not saying he will make the Superbowl but when I look at NFL starting QBs this year, I would say along with Brees, both Mannings, Warner, Brady and Rothlisberger, Favre is still right there with the NFL's best when it comes to engineering a game winning drive when you need it.

Yes Minnesota has a great running game but that alone could not win the game Sunday. As a matter of fact, when what they needed was an experienced QB who could deliver a drive with the game on the line, they got exactly what they paid for in Favre. Nobody in MN is regretting the decision the get Favre this week.

posted by Atheist at 05:19 PM on September 28

Why all the Favre hate? The only thing that Brett has done was:

He was unsure sbout his retirement while with the Packers and got traded to the Jets and played well considering the season the Jets had the year before.

Then, he had to have surgery to repair his bicep after the season and when pursued by the Vikings (the team that he really wanted to play in the first place when he was originally traded by the Packers to the Jets), he wasn't ready to commit to another season with a new team since his bicep wasn't 'NFL' ready.

Once he felt that his arm was ready to throw to NFL-caliber recievers, he signed with the Vikings and they're now 3-0.

So.... what exactly has Farve done besides give the Viking a proven QB at the helm?

Who he has really hurt during this process?

posted by BornIcon at 06:45 PM on September 28

Regardless of what happens from here on out, the bottom line is nobody is yelling for Donovan McNabb's retirement

I don't think anyone is yelling for his retirement, we're just pointing out that he started out well last year and collapsed down the stretch.

Favre has made 272 consecutive NFL starts

It's easier to make all those consecutive starts when you lie on the injury report and play to the detriment of your team.

got traded to the Jets and played well considering the season the Jets had the year before.

Yes and no. His play peaked around week 11 with back to back wins over the Pats and the Titans. Then the bottom fell out. The Jets went 1-4, in large part due to his awful play down the stretch and he ended up with 22 interceptions.

By the way, since 1998, Favre is 3-6 in the playoffs with 18 interceptions.

posted by cjets at 07:08 PM on September 28

Why all the Favre hate

I can only speak for myself. I don't hate him. I just think he's a me-first media hog drama queen.

To retire or not to retire, that is the question. And my only answer to that is STFU Brett.

posted by cjets at 07:10 PM on September 28

Why all the Favre hate?

How many times has this question been asked and answered -- in discussions you were a part of? It's like you're BornYesterday.

posted by rcade at 07:27 PM on September 28

It's easier to make all those consecutive starts when you lie on the injury report and play to the detriment of your team.

Since when does the quarterback write the injury report, not to mention have final say over both the head coach and GM?

All the hating is getting old. Favre has proven he can still play. He's proven his holdout has not been a detriment to the team. And to call attention to stats like Favre's playoff record since 1998 is all well and good but when he's killing himself for your team people tend to think differently (scroll down to comment number eight, cjets).

Why all the Favre hate.

I can only speak for myself. I don't hate him.

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot.

posted by MW12 at 07:39 PM on September 28

I don't think anyone is yelling for his retirement, we're just pointing out that he started out well last year and collapsed down the stretch.

Collapsed? The only thing that 'collapsed' was Favre's bicep which is why he had to have off-season surgery. Say what you want but the Jets got better because of Favre. They now have Mark Sanchez (who is 3-0 thus far)...and the Dolphins have Pennington out for the season.

How many times has this question been asked and answered -- in discussions you were a part of? It's like you're BornYesterday.

Oh wait a minute, I get it! You used my SN as a way to be clever with a point that...missed.

When have I ever said that I 'hate'd Favre? Go 'head...I'll wait.

I can understand the frustration that went on with Favre waffling on his retirement (and have always said so) but I have ALWAYS said that Favre was a better fit for the Minnesota Vikings. ALWAYS

posted by BornIcon at 07:50 PM on September 28

I didn't say you hated Favre. I said the question you asked is the same one that's asked and answered every single time Favre is criticized.

Favre's touchdown was an incredible pass and an incredible catch. A magical moment. Glad he came back, if only to see that. I still expect that he'll run out of gas this year. I guess this makes me a hater.

posted by rcade at 08:07 PM on September 28

Say what you want but the Jets got better because of Favre.

No, they got better because of Rex Ryan and because they have a solid nucleus. Pennington was never going to be the solution there.

Since when does the quarterback write the injury report, not to mention have final say over both the head coach and GM?

The league fined Favre so he must have had some involvement with it. And if you think, Tangini weren't treading lightly around the the diva QB, I've got a bridge I want to sell you.

Everyone talks about his injury now but why didn't he say it then? Do you really think the Jets management could put a muzzle on Favre? He wanted to play. He didn't want anyone to know about his injury and he wanted to keep his streak alive to the detriment of the team.

He was the starting QB and he choked down the stretch. If he wasn't good enough to play, he should have said so.

And to call attention to stats like Favre's playoff record since 1998 is all well and good but when he's killing himself for your team people tend to think differently (scroll down to comment number eight, cjets).

Heh. Well at least I'm consistent about Pennington. Sure I was excited about Favre. But his season with the Jets was a big tease and ultimately a big disappointment.

I understand why the Vikings want him and the end of yesterday's game was terrific. But it's certainly legitimate to question his ability to last a season.

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot.

As well as dislike his annual off season melodrama. Dislike, not hate. But if your limited vocubulary is limited to love and hate, then yea, I guess I hate him. (By the way, I know I'm the pot, but's who's supposed to be the kettle in your deliciously wicked bit of humor)

posted by cjets at 09:35 PM on September 28

Regarding the Jets-Favre story, anyone who thinks the NFL is serious about being against gambling is denying reality. Why would there otherwise be an injury report? To give an advantage to opponents? If you're a betting person, whoever is probable, questionable or out might have an effect on your selections.

posted by jjzucal at 10:19 PM on September 28

I do truly find it amazing how polarizing the Brett Favre saga is.

We're talking about a Hall of Fame QB (surely, no one disputes that), that obviously still wants to play football (surely, no one disputes that), that is a better QB than anything the Vikings had (surely, no one disputes that), that is currently 3-0 (even if you wanted to, you can't dispute that).

So, was he a prima donna? Sure, but I think he earned the right to be a bit of one.

Did he waffle on the whole retirement issue? Kind of, but remember, he wanted to go the Vikings right away, and the Packers put up a roadblock. Brett would not have waffled if the Pack had just let him go. This year he wasn't sure he go handle it, and walked away. The Vikings came back to him. Be upset with Brad Childress, not Brett Favre.

Is he a risk not to finish the year? Yes, but what QB isn't? Favre made it further than Pennington did. How about McNabb? Anyone want to bet me $5.00 that Brett isn't the next starting QB to be injured? Anyone???

I am so glad to have #4 in purple! Next Monday night is going to be fun...I'll be loving it if the Vikes win...eating a ton of crow if they don't. (good thing I saved that crow recipe)

posted by dviking at 01:26 AM on September 29

That's reading comprehension; taking the word "or" and interpreting it as "both". Brilliant.

a) The point still stands. Some folks are clamoring that any positive judgement of Favre must wait until the end of the season, which will most surely prove out that he can't hack it (the italics are me acknowledging slight exaggeration, but I stand by the point). On the flip-side, Kolb was provided as an example of where he has already made one or more of peers expendable - although that suggestion is based on a ridiculously short period of time.

b) Maybe revisit your "brilliant reading comprehension". By saying either Vick or McNabb can be traded, by definition, "both" are trade-able - not necessarily at the same time, but "both" still applies. ie : "LittleLebowski or dfleming might be asshats" ... that statement does not mean that asshattedness is mutually exclusive to only one of us; therefore ... "LittleLebowski and dfleming might both be asshats" is an entirely legitimate alternative. Not a perfect analogy - just a weak attempt at comedy and levity. Personally, I don't think either are being asshats, just discussing, but I don't think my reading comprehension is at issue, relative to the Favre-bashing.

posted by littleLebowski at 08:54 AM on September 29

So, was he a prima donna? Sure, but I think he earned the right to be a bit of one.

This is a good enough reason for me to not like him. No one has the right to be a prima donna in a team sport. Period. I'm also annoyed by the memory loss of his defenders who can't remember him stringing Green Bay along year after year, the retirement to get out of contractual obligations, skipping camps though criticizing other players that do, etc.

Yes, he won a Super Bowl in 1996. That was a really long time ago. We are allowed to judge Favre, just like every other player, based on what he has done recently. A QB that makes as much as he does ought to be winning in the playoffs. We will see.

posted by bperk at 09:54 AM on September 29

I didn't say you hated Favre. I said the question you asked is the same one that's asked and answered every single time Favre is criticized

Then my apologies because I read it as you were saying that I hated Favre and I wanted to set the record straight. I understand that the question has been risen time after time but for whatever reason, Favre gets hated on more than others that have actually commited crimes, which he has not done to deserve this level of dissatisfaction.

No, they got better because of Rex Ryan and because they have a solid nucleus. Pennington was never going to be the solution there.

And they also got better because a Hall of Fame QB showed them what they can do if they played well together (as he's now doing with the Vikings), which they did before he injured his bicep. Bringing Favre over to the Jets also helped to send Pennington over to Miami and allowed the Jets to draft Vinnie Chase..., er Mark Sanchez. I get those two confused, my bad.

Everyone talks about his injury now but why didn't he say it then?...He was the starting QB and he choked down the stretch

As I recall, he did bring it up. Favre said that his arm was hurt but that he didn't think he would miss any time from the injury. I strongly doubt that he 'choked' considering his arm was like a wet noodle, sort of how Pennington's arm is when healthy.

I'm not a Favre apologist, I have never been a Packers fan but I've always enjoyed watching Favre play. I just don't understand why people remain blind to the fact that he was injured but didn't think that the injury was severe enough for him not to play. Obviously he was wrong considering he had to have surgery but still, the Jets had a better record with Favre's only stint there than the year before. People don't have surgery just to have them...unless you live in LA with the rest of the plastic people.

posted by BornIcon at 10:28 AM on September 29

I understand that the question has been risen time after time but for whatever reason, Favre gets hated on more than others ...

... and every single criticism of Favre is met by the accusation that his critics are just a bunch of haters. It's tedious. It's not hard to figure out why Favre's world-record sense of personal entitlement might not endear him to some fans of a team sport, no matter how good he has been over his career.

Here's what a teammate said of Favre skipping camp: "When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I'd tell him I've been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you. ... I just don't see much good that can come from it."

No, wait. That was Favre slamming one of his teammates for putting himself above his team. My bad.

posted by rcade at 10:39 AM on September 29

And they also got better because a Hall of Fame QB showed them what they can do if they played well together

Soon to be a major motion picture starring Dennis Quaid.

posted by yerfatma at 10:55 AM on September 29

... and every single criticism of Favre is met by the accusation that his critics are just a bunch of haters

Where did I call anyone a 'hater'? There's nothing wrong with criticizing someone but to criticize Favre for simply contemplating whether he wanted to join the Vikings after his surgery?

IMO and this is just my opinion, Favre just didn't want to look foolish out there and wanted to make sure that his arm was at least up to par to once again be an NLF QB. I see nothing wrong with that and he's obviously showing that he made the right decision to not rush back and for taking his time with his decision.

Soon to be a major motion picture starring Dennis Quaid.

I wouldn't bet against it. Quaid was really good as Jim Morris in "The Rookie".

posted by BornIcon at 11:06 AM on September 29

"Yes, he won a Super Bowl in 1996. That was a really long time ago. We are allowed to judge Favre, just like every other player, based on what he has done recently. A QB that makes as much as he does ought to be winning in the playoffs. We will see."

I believe his last year in Green Bay he took them to a 13 and 3 regular season record and did win in the playoffs falling short one play from the Superbowl. That means only two QB went further in the 2007 season. Then in 2008 he took a perenial looser the Jets to within a game of the playoffs winning twice as many games as the same team did a year before and changing the culture of loosing the team had. Sure they missed the playoffs by falling apart but that can be blamed on a severe injury and the fact the the entire team fell apart defensively. Let's face it, a good team would have found a way to win one of their last four with or without a healthy QB.

I think one of Brett Favre's problems is he has been too successful so now anything less than a superbowl victory is seen a a failure or dismal season, when in fact many great QBs have never won a SB and some have never gotten there. If Payton Manning never wins another one, will his remaining seasons be viewed as failures. The hall of fame is full of guys who did not win a SB. Making a statement like Favre won back in 96 and not since so therefore he is somehow failing is silly. He has consistently been one of the most exciting players in the league for almost 20 seasons and Sunday he proved that he still is. I just don't see how anybody can dispute that. Like him or not, he deserves credit and admiration for his accomplishments.

Most Jets fans I know will still say even though last year was a dissapointment at the end, at least the last two game of the season had some meaning, as opposed to the traditional statistical elimination by week 8. Jeez all they needed to do was play a little better defense or control a game with their ground attack. The only thing the injury did to Favre's arm is demonstrate just how much that team needed miracles from him, and that they could not win even one in four games without him playing really well.

It alway interesting to me that when a team is loosing a game and the QB has to make a last ditch come from behind effort to drive the team down the field with less than two minutes left, if he throws an INT when the defense is playing back waiting for the only option, which is a pass in that situation, it is the QB that blew the game. That is also silly.

posted by Atheist at 11:10 AM on September 29

I believe his last year in Green Bay he took them to a 13 and 3 regular season record and did win in the playoffs falling short one play from the Superbowl.

He threw an interception in overtime, which set up the winning field goal for the Giants. It was an all-around terrible game for him.

I think one of Brett Favre's problems is he has been too successful so now anything less than a superbowl victory is seen a a failure or dismal season, when in fact many great QBs have never won a SB and some have never gotten there.

He has one less Super Bowls than Brady, Kurt Warner, or Roethisberger among active QBs. He is the only active QB who was even in the league back in 1996 when he won his only Super Bowl. You are mixing his prolific passing success with his actual success on the field. None of the Super Bowl winning QBs get anywhere near as much grief as Favre. It's not his success; it's his off-the-field actions.

posted by bperk at 12:14 PM on September 29

Wow he has won less superbowls than Brady Warner or Roethlisberger. Of course he has won just as many or more than Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Archie Manning, Dan Marino. John Elway, Jim Kelly, Joe Namath, Drew Brees, Dan Fouts, Donovan McNabb, the list goes on and on. People are just having a problem with his off field persona. I don't expect everybody to like him. What I am having a problem with is all the nay sayers about how he shouldn't be playing or how he can't play anymore.

He felt like he could play, he wanted to play, teams want to hire him (for some pretty good money), and when he is on the field he gives his all and frankly there is no denying it, he is very successful, and is still playing at the highest level. Every QB has their critics and Favre's critics complain that he forces passes he should not make. Fair enough but all good QBs do it to some extent due to confidence. Sometimes you gotta make the tough throws and sometimes it goes bad. In all his years in Green Bay, I cannot believe his bad throws can erase all the great ones he made. Franklyt he has done more for the Vikes and Jets than the great Joe Montana did for KC after SF pushed him out the door.

Surely in a game like football when everyone thinks you are washed up at 33, it is natural for fans, ownership and oneself to contemplate how long it makes sense to play. In Favre's case, it only seems natural that after 35 years old, after every brutal and physical season the retirement issue would be there. I just don't begrudge him the right to as the beginning of the next season approaches he has revisited the decision and if feeling like he can play he accepts offers to do so. I think right now in Minnesota they can be happy that they have him and I seriously doubt TJ or any of their other QBs would have won that game on Sunday.

Frankly Minnesota does not look all that good to me. They have struggled to win in each game so far. For all the hype their defense and running game have gotten, they are not easily controlling their opponents, who have only been mediocre at best. The team (not Favre) is going to have to step up thier play this week if they want to win. If the Vikes are as good as they are hyped to be, Favre should only have to manage the games. Of course, thank goodness, last week he can do more since they were unable to stop a 49er team with a crippled running attack. It just seems Favre is exactly what the Vikes need if they are going to have any chance this year. If it were not for a big kick return and the big play from Favre ande Greg Lewis, the Vikes would have lost to an improved but still mediocre niner team. Of course if the Vikes fall short this year all the Favre haters will blame Favre but after watching the first three games, there is plenty of blame to go around on that team. They are going to have to improve a lot to make a good playoff run. If they do then Favre will not have to make the heroic mega plays to win games. In the event he does, well I still can't think of too many guys you would rather have try.

posted by Atheist at 01:45 PM on September 29

do people really feel that the td throw was a lucky fluke? It is luck when you do it once or twice. Brett has done it time after time. if brett stays healthy, the rest of the nfl better look out. he is in it for the ring. oh, and by-the-way, i thought mr.favre screwed up messin' around with the retirement thing, too.

posted by kerrycindy at 02:22 PM on September 29

Franklyt he has done more for the Vikes and Jets than the great Joe Montana did for KC after SF pushed him out the door.

Now you are just libeling Montana. The Chiefs made the playoffs both years that Montana played, going all the way to the AFC Championship game in 1993. Montana, despite being a sure Hall of Famer and winning numerous Super Bowls, attended training camp with his teammates when he played and only retired once.

In the event he does, well I still can't think of too many guys you would rather have try.

I wouldn't have this guy on my team. I don't care if he makes the occasional clutch throw. Putting one player above the team in a game like football when all those other players give so much of themselves mentally and physically is just wrong.

posted by bperk at 02:39 PM on September 29

Where did I call anyone a 'hater'?

When you asked "Why all the Favre hate?" after a series of comments. Of course, you didn't explicitly use the word "hater", so let's make sure to pick that apart instead of discussing the issue.

Quaid was really good as Jim Morris in "The Rookie".

Thanks.

posted by yerfatma at 02:57 PM on September 29

Not dissing Montana at all, as he is one of my all time favorites and I referred to him as the great Joe Montana. My only point being he did not go to a 4 and 12 team. Favre made a big impact. Nobody blamed Montana for falling short in the AFC championship game where as with Favre he threw an INT in overtime of an NFC championship game and he can't live it down.

People also forget that after his Superbowl win the Packer team was basically dismantled by free agency. In 2006 as I recal they had a terrible record with a very young inexperienced team and one year later as I recal they went to the NFC championship with one of the best records in football. All anyone remembers is one INT.

posted by Atheist at 02:59 PM on September 29

Franklyt he has done more for the Vikes and Jets than the great Joe Montana did for KC after SF pushed him out the door.

Don't libel the Jets either. As much as I dislike him, it was Bill Parcells who changed the Jets attitude in '97, after the disastrous 1-15 year in 1996.

Since Parcells became coach in 1997, the Jets have won 100 games and been to the playoffs 5 times.

Eight of those seasons they finished at 9-7 or better.

How did Favre teach them about winning by finishing 1-4 down the stretch? He was there one year, a hired gun brought in to win and he couldn't do it. And if the comments by Thomas Jones (who led the AFC in rushing last year) and Kerry Rhodes are indicative, the team didn't like him either.

As I've said before, I've got no problems with the Vikings taking a shot with him, but let's see how he's doing in December.

posted by cjets at 03:15 PM on September 29

In 2006 as I recal they had a terrible record with a very young inexperienced team and one year later as I recal they went to the NFC championship with one of the best records in football. All anyone remembers is one INT.

The difference between those years was that Favre stopped throwing so many ints. His passer rating went up dramatically and his mistakes went down. That has always been the key and has always been his failing.

posted by bperk at 03:15 PM on September 29

When you asked "Why all the Favre hate?" after a series of comments

So... where exactly does that say that I called anyone a 'hater'?

Of course, you didn't explicitly use the word "hater"...

Riiiight, of course....that's because I didn't call anyone that to begin with. If I were to say, 'Where's the love?', does that mean that I'm hated?

Quaid was really good as Jim Morris in "The Rookie".

Thanks.

For...? Did you take part in selecting the cast that you're not mentioning to us SpoFites or are you Mr. Inner Space, himself?

posted by BornIcon at 03:57 PM on September 29

Umm, BI, I think you are making the argument that haters don't hate or that hating on Favre doesn't mean someone is a hater. I'm confused. Please clarify.

posted by bperk at 04:25 PM on September 29

In another interesting turn after the Jets trade Pennington to Miami for the Old Man Favre, Pennington has one good year but now Miami is 0-3, Pennington has just been placed on IR and is out for the season and possibly the rest of his career with a third shoulder operation. Regardless of the Jets finish last year, getting rid of Pennington looks like a good move. Of course Favre winds up in Minnesota, where he always wanted to go. Jets wind up with Sanchez, which makes the Jets look like the winners in both last years and this years trades, and the Packers who did their best to avoid it, get to play against Favre in a divisional battle this week.

Football is so much more interesting this year because Favre is in Minnesota. A miracle finish last week and now the Favre led Vikes get to face off the division rival Packers. A game that this early in the season would have only been moderately important, is now a must watch for me.

What's not to love about it?

posted by Atheist at 04:36 PM on September 29

which makes the Jets look like the winners in both last years and this years trades,

Last year Pennington, cast off by the Jets, goes to Miami and is part of (notice I did not say "leads") Miami's unbelievable turnaround from 1-15 to 11-5 and division winners.

The Jets who bring in Favre, go 9-7 and are eliminated by Miami and Pennington on the last game of the season.

I'm the last to say that Pennington could have lead the Jets to the playoffs. But no Jet, or Jet fan, would consider themselves winners after last year's trade for Favre. And, in fact, the Jets owner Woody Johnson was so upset at losing to Miami at the end of the season that he fired Mangini.

Wait a sec......now I get it. You're saying that last year's failure lead to Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez? Maybe I do need to thank Favre.

posted by cjets at 04:53 PM on September 29

Johnette Howard has a nice column on the looming Favre psychodrama next week on Monday Night Favre when the Green Bay Former Favres visit the Favre-O-Dome to play the Minnesota Favres.

posted by rcade at 07:37 PM on September 29

Wait a sec......now I get it. You're saying that last year's failure lead to Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez? Maybe I do need to thank Favre

Actually yeah, that's exactly the point. You may call it a failure but the Jets got better when Favre was in NY, just look at the win-loss column from the year before Favre got traded and tell me that they didn't.

Going 9-7 a season after a 4-12 campaign suggests that the team performed better with Favre at the helm and although they missed the playoffs, they were at least a threat in the AFC before Favre's injury.

Of course you being a Jets fan, you're going to be more critical of your team than those from the outside looking in. That's what make sports and sports talk so interesting.

posted by BornIcon at 08:59 AM on October 01

You're not logged in. Please log in or register.