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February 09, 2006
Mark Cuban: I Own Phil Jackson: A little trash-talk between two NBA figureheads.
posted by Bill Lumbergh to basketball at 09:25 AM - 35 comments
Phil seems irritated Kobe couldnt "get it up" for the game in Dallas so he blames Cuban for influencing the officials?? I live in Dallas, go to lotsa games, Cuban couldnt intimidate my 3 year old! Take one look at the guy. Now if you wanna say its based on the tapes he sends to the leaugue about the officials mistakes during home games then consider what the NBA does with them. They are given to the head of officiating, he watches 1 out of every 10 to substatiate any claims, throws the rest away, and to date not one official has lost their job or been reprimanded as a result of a Cuban tape. I think if the officials are more likely to watch their ass when they come into Dallas because of that, then so be it, I am sure most NBA teams would love to have that ability. And would love to have an owner as involved and passionate as Cuban. Thats all I've got to say about that.
posted by MackBrown24 at 10:00 AM on February 09, 2006
"Of course the officials weren't intimidated. At least no more than the other officials who have given Kobe technical fouls to the tune of a league-leading 11. Maybe, instead of being so concerned with Mark Cuban, Phil should be worried about the new rule in place that causes a player to be suspended a game after he gets his 16th technical foul of the season. And if I remember correctly, every technical after 16 results in a 1-game suspension as well. Can't wait to hear what he has to say when that happens." I can't either Mark, I can't either!
posted by MackBrown24 at 10:17 AM on February 09, 2006
Phil Jackson is a tool. With out Jordan and Pippen or Shaq and Kobe. He would be another Stan Van Gundy and if you think not ur sadly mistaken. This guy is all about Zen and all that bull. This guy wasn't even a good player. He even rode Walt Frazier to a chip. Phil Jackson is a fraud. Mark my words unless he coaches LeBron James he will never win another thing in his life(of riding great players to championships). I repeat PHIL JACKSON IS A TOOL.
posted by Robb Dubbs at 10:40 AM on February 09, 2006
Listen, unless Lebron gets some help and a great coach, he will never win anything. While he is a great player, he's not going anywhere. Phil Jackson, is one of the best coaches in the modern era. I believe with some help, he can win atlest two more titles in LA. The Laker problem is not coaching, but a good GM. Mitch the Bitch, needs to make moves to improve the Laker from line. Mark Cuban is Jealous, because he too, will never win a chapionship, and he knows it. Dallas is a good team on paper, but no defense playing Dirk weakens them. Dirk can score 35 points in a night, while giving up 36. Dallas will probably get knocked out of the playoffs again, by a lesser team like the Lakers, again.
posted by Crickette at 11:20 AM on February 09, 2006
Robb, What do you mean, he may never win another championship? You can say that about every coach and team that has won one. But, how many coaches have won more. Right now the sad Lakers need a good coach. And at least Phil is more than just a good coach. Are they the worst team in the league? Even with all the dead weight, they aren't the worse team in league. Cuban is living the dream, and he's having fun. Yeah, he goes over the top sometimes. But he's better than a tv commercial about genital herpes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by pokchop at 11:27 AM on February 09, 2006
The only way the Mavs will win a championship is if they have Phil as their head coach. I know I will be hearing it from alot of Phil haters but if the oppurtunity given Cuban will sign him in a second.
posted by pepitothechihuahua at 11:34 AM on February 09, 2006
With out Jordan and Pippen or Shaq and Kobe. He would be another Stan Van Gundy A. Whassamatta with Stan Van G? B. The restrictions you're using also invalidate the coaching careers of: Red Auerbach, Vince Lombardi, John Wooden, Dean Smith, that guy at Duke, etc. And what does his playing career have to do with it?
posted by yerfatma at 11:43 AM on February 09, 2006
God, I love Mark Cuban.... "Of course I don't truly believe that I own Phil. But that won't prevent me from walking up to him and saying 'Boo' to see if he jumps, just to find out for sure." That and the Jeannie Buss comments were just too perfect. It's about time someone tried to let some hot air out of that chest Phil is always sticking out.
posted by LostInDaJungle at 12:00 PM on February 09, 2006
Listen, unless Lebron gets some help and a great coach, he will never win anything. While he is a great player, he's not going anywhere. Phil Jackson, is one of the best coaches in the modern era. I believe with some help, he can win atlest two more titles in LA. Phil Jackson? C'mon.....3 different head coaches won with similar Los Angeles Laker store-bought teams; Westhead and Riley with the Jabbar-Magic teams and now Jackson with the Shaq-Kobe teams. George W Bush could coach those teams to titles. Geez. Also, afford the same time that it took Michael Jordan to win in Chicago (8 years) to LeBron James. The Bulls didn't win overnight with the addition of Jordan. In fact they weren't winning for the first couple of years. The Cavaliers have a very decent record with the many injuries that they've had to endure. LeBron has had them winning in his 2nd and 3rd years in the NBA. Keep these things in mind......1) They are young 2) They'll get healthy 3) Danny Ferry seems to have found his niche as the Cav's GM. Stay tuned..........
posted by Cleveland Dan at 12:20 PM on February 09, 2006
when Cuban wins a 1st championship , he can speak . when he wins 8 rings . he can speak on Phil Jackson . till then Cuban is just a clown .
posted by trrron at 12:25 PM on February 09, 2006
Cuban, Phil Jackson owns your momma.
posted by Joe88 at 12:55 PM on February 09, 2006
The Mavs will win this years championship, guaranteed! Avery has inspired the defense that the Mavs lacked, their bench is deep, and nobody can say that in addition to his 30+ points per game that Dirk has ever given up that many in a game to anyone else as Crickette has asserted. This is our year, this is Marks year, and with the 2nd best record in the league and a 5-1 record against the likes of San Antonio and Detroit we got the best in the NBA runnin' scared. Go Mavs!
posted by MackBrown24 at 01:26 PM on February 09, 2006
I love how seriously some of you guys are taking this.
posted by chicobangs at 01:52 PM on February 09, 2006
The Mavs will win this years championship, guaranteed! Maybe the Western Conference Championship...
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 01:53 PM on February 09, 2006
Hilarious! Thanks for the link Lumbergh!
posted by redsnare at 02:18 PM on February 09, 2006
The Mavs will win this years championship, guaranteed! Please. The Mavs are the Indianapolis Colts of the NBA.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 03:10 PM on February 09, 2006
The only way the Mavs are all going to go to the championship game is if they all buy a ticket.
posted by dumptruck76 at 03:24 PM on February 09, 2006
I love it u guys are great! but the fact remains PHIL JACKSON IS A TOOL. And those other coaches mentioned actually helped build players. Come on guys Jordan used to make the lineups and he was like the Bill Russell of his day. The coach in the NBA means nothing. The NFL is different, I'm a Jets fan but got ultimate respect for Bill Belichek. But i got no love for Phil Jackson. And mark my words LeBron will have at least 3 rings when he retires. IM OUT!
posted by Robb Dubbs at 04:18 PM on February 09, 2006
With out Jordan and Pippen or Shaq and Kobe. He would be another Stan Van Gundy A. Whassamatta with Stan Van G? B. The restrictions you're using also invalidate the coaching careers of: Red Auerbach, Vince Lombardi, John Wooden, Dean Smith, that guy at Duke, etc. And what does his playing career have to do with it? LOL u dont even belive that! HIs playing career was a sham just like his coaching career.
posted by Robb Dubbs at 04:31 PM on February 09, 2006
Mark Cuban doesn't own anything except except a big ass mouth. And nine less rings..regardless if he never had Jordan or Shaq
posted by sgtcookzane at 05:08 PM on February 09, 2006
Why does everyone compare Lebron to Jordan in the first place? LeBron's game is in no way similar to Jordans. Kobe is more like Jordan. Kobe's only downfall is he lacks the ability to get his teammates involved.. to make them all better.. like all the great ones had... the Bird's, the Magic's.. If you're going to compare LeBron to someone, let it be Bird or Magic.. If LeBron had any teammates to get involved, he clearly is special in that regard. The kid is halfway into his third year.. The franchise he plays for was among the worst ever.. in any sport.. EVER.. that doesn't get turned around that quickly.. especially if you change directions (new coach, new GM).. the Cavs roster is still pretty pathetic.. to say he'll never win anything is crazy.. unless you have some crystal ball.. in his two and a half years he has the Cavs ranked 5-8 in the NBA in most power polls I see.. and he now has an owner and GM willing to take the chances that will give him many good opportunities to win a championship.. you just don't go from worst to first that quickly.. LeBron's not Jordan.. but he's tremendous in his own ways.. He's not the shooter/scorer Jordan was. But he's tremendously versatile.. he can fill it up.. he can handle the rock.. he can pass like Magic.. he's even had to tone it down as his teammates (i.e. Gooden) can't handle his passes.. he makes everyone around him better.. if you actually watched him play live a few times it would be more than obvious he's as special as the Birds, the Magics, and the Jordans.. Oscar Robinson said the kid could average a triple double.. and he's already been as close to that feat as anyone who's EVER played.. some guy said it took Jordan 8 years to win it all.. I think it was more like 6, but he would have been 9 years removed from high school.. Lebron is only 2 and a half.. he's going to have GREAT OPPORTUNITIES to win a championship even quicker than Jordan did.. and why does Horace Grant get no credit for helping Jordan win? didn't Horace also win in L.A.? and play on an Orlando team that got there? he was probably more important than Pippen.. he just didn't last the whole time like Pippen did..
posted by JohnRodder at 05:32 PM on February 09, 2006
Cuban definately said some things that he shouldn't have said. Phil Jackson WAS the best coach, he is now a really good coach. He knows how to use what he has about as well as he can. Personally, I don't think that the Lakers will win another championship without a serious force inside, at least defensively. On the other hand, I don't see the Mavs winning one either. But, if they can hold on to Josh Howard and get a big man to somewhat balance the floor offensively, I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the Finals within 3 or 4 years.
posted by Snikastyle at 05:36 PM on February 09, 2006
If the season ended now, they'd meet in the first round of the playoffs. Oh, the drama!
posted by chicobangs at 05:40 PM on February 09, 2006
Oh yea, to John Rodder. Oscar Robertson did average a triple double in one season of his career. So LeBron isn't closer than anyone ever. I also believe that Jason Kidd had a couple of seasons that he was going about 17, 10, and 7... which would also be closer. BUT, on your side, I also think that LeBron will eventually average a triple double in a season.
posted by Snikastyle at 05:41 PM on February 09, 2006
Phil Jackson the best coach ever ! My mom could of won an nba title with jordan and pippen or kobe and shaq. The fact is Avery has made a pretty good team into a title contender. If Phil is such a great coach then why is his team struggling just to keep a number 8 seed. Well Ill tell you why, because he doesnt have 2 or 3 of the best players in the world on his team like he did for all those years he won a championship. Also for all those Cuban haters, You just wish you had an owner half as passionate about your team as we do.
posted by tallen883 at 05:46 PM on February 09, 2006
I'll say this: (1)SIX-That's 6 championships in an 8 year span(including the full year w/o Jordan where they went to a game 7 of the E.C.Finals{and w/o a horrible foul call another Finals but that's another story}dealing w/ some of the biggest names in the game.(2)L.A. Lakers had basically the same team two years before Phil got there & they could'nt get it done,then Phil shows up & they have the BLING to prove it.You gotta give the guy his due.(3)I will also admit that I think Phil was out-coached in the series against Detroit.Hey,nobody's perfect. PEACE
posted by da1realsportsfanatic at 05:52 PM on February 09, 2006
people who don't think phil is a good coach are VASTLY overestimating the quality of kobe's teammates. would any of these guys start for any other team in the nba? this has to be the worst 2-12, right up there with the raptors and the hawks. lamar odom is a 2nd banana at best, really more like a nice role player, which is more than i can say for the rest of those guys. how about taking 11 millionaires who'd been surrounded by yes-men from day one and convincing them to defer to kobe whenever he sees fit? if that's not a coaching masterpiece, then i don't know what is. if you really like numbers, then how about these from last season vs this season: while averaging exactly same on offense (98.7 ppg), their opp ppg has dropped from 101.7 ppg to 97. not a huge drop to pistons/spurs brand of defense, but enough to make their record respectable and this is with the same players as last year except for the smush parker and kwame brown "upgrades." this is the 2nd youngest team in the league behind atlanta and i'd say just over .500 ball for them is a huge overachievement, with the softest part of the schedule still ahead. as for mark cuban, i don't like anyone who thinks they're as big as the game itself. go back to selling hd-tvs. you're not affecting the officiating anymore than phil does by criticizing them publicly. i like what he's done as an owner for the dallas fans, but whenever he opens his mouth, i just want to seal it shut like in that one alice-in-chains video.
posted by ninjavshippo at 05:54 PM on February 09, 2006
so tacky to double post... but here's a news flash: you need good players to win championships. anyone who doesn't think detroit doesn't have elite players on their team is a munt who needs to watch some basketball games. same goes for the spurs and the mavs.
posted by ninjavshippo at 05:59 PM on February 09, 2006
Take one jackass (Cuban), and add a few billion dollars, what do you have? A rich jackass. The Mavs will continue to be "also-rans" and Cuban will continue to make a spectacle of himself. I'm not a Phil Jackson fan, but at least he's got the rings and championships. All Cuban's money can't buy him what he (Cuban) wants most, a championship of his own. He'll continue to be a schmuck.
posted by dyams at 06:33 PM on February 09, 2006
Detroit is the team to beat. The Spurs are probably second with the Mavs maybe third. I just think that Cuban is a bit of a hothead and showoff. He's got nothing better to do than jump up and down and throw a temper tantrum. Sort of a spoiled rich kid at this point in time.
posted by usroute17 at 06:41 PM on February 09, 2006
Mark Cuban couldn't be Phil Jackson's used condom. He is a spoiled spoon fed, nanny raised sheltered from the real life Mother F#c%@r that needs to sit his fat well oiled ass back into Don Nellies lap for security and comfort. Break out the vaseline Nellie and keep your girl Martha Cuban in her her place.
posted by Daddy-O at 01:01 AM on February 10, 2006
I would not be surprised if Cuban and Jackson are actually friends, and they're tossing a little drama into the machine. Nothing gets people's dutch up (and sells papers, and ups SportsCenter's viewership) like a little trash talk between rivals. (For current examples, see Pressel, Morgan, Porter, Joey, or, uh, Porter, Joey.)
posted by chicobangs at 02:06 AM on February 10, 2006
I would not be surprised if Cuban and Jackson are actually friends, and they're tossing a little drama into the machine. The same thought had occurred to me.
posted by Bill Lumbergh at 06:21 AM on February 10, 2006
When Cuban first started this crazy behavior it was kind of funny. After years of it, it's getting old. Before when he had teams that couldn't compete, his antics brought fans because they thought it was passion for the sport. It is quickly becoming obvious it's about Cuban. He currently has a team that is growing into a contender. It should not be about his antics anymore. He is a distraction now when his team is playing the best ball that they have in years. It actually includes the "D" word. Shut up and let the team do the talking for you on the court.
posted by Familyman at 07:06 AM on February 10, 2006
Mark Cuban owns a lot of things but NOBODY owns Phil Jackson. He is a free thinker and a free spirit. I think he proved that the first time he left the Lakers.