Modern era semi-finalists for Hall of fame: Modern era semi-finalists Wide receiver Chris Carter and Cornerback Darryl Green are the only first year eligible players to make the list,but do they have the stats to make it the first time?
posted by Ghastly1 to football at 01:20 PM - 19 comments
Green, maybe. Carter, no chance, not on the first try. The bar for WRs is so high at this point. Andre Reed goes in before Carter. [This is the paragraph where I express astonishment and disgust at the continued exclusion of Ray Guy, and light a faint candle that they'd ever actually recognize Steve Tasker. ] And how did Richard Dent not get in yet?
posted by chicobangs at 02:27 PM on December 06
posted by yerfatma at 02:43 PM on December 06
Carter gets in. 2nd in TDs, 6th in Recieving yards. How does he not get in? AGNP
posted by AaronGNP at 02:55 PM on December 06
Art Monk should get in before Carter and Reed. Ray Guy should have been in years ago. Hell, everything chicobangs said, including head-scratching over Richard Dent. And I'm ashamed to admit that I don't really know who Steve Tasker is.....
posted by BitterOldPunk at 02:57 PM on December 06
Steve Tasker was the best special teams player of his generation. Honestly, though, I'm not that excited about the NFL Hall. It's more an old-boys-club thing than even most Halls are, and given the way ex-players are mistreated and openly ghettoized by the league and the players' association, I don't really see it as a happy day for anyone concerned.
posted by chicobangs at 03:45 PM on December 06
Can't agree with you more about Ray Guy.Best punter ever I think.He should already have been in years ago.
posted by Ghastly1 at 05:02 PM on December 06
and light a faint candle that they'd ever actually recognize Steve Tasker. I still wear my Tasker jersey when I'm watching Bills games. And I'm ashamed to admit that I don't really know who Steve Tasker is..... Probably one of the best special teams players in the history of the NFL. Which is like being one of the best set-up men in baseball, or one of the best face-off men in hockey. You're never the best player on your team (because you'd be doing something else (closer, 1st line centre) if you were) but you can make a huge contribution for your team over the entire season.
posted by grum@work at 06:36 PM on December 06
"Art Monk should get in before Carter" Art Monk : 224 games, 940 receptions, (6th), 12,721 yards, (12th), 68 touchdowns, (31st). Cris Carter : 234 games, 1101 receptions, (2nd), 13,899 yards, (6th), 130 touchdowns, (2nd). And for Chico Andre Reed : 227 games, 951 receptions, (5th), 13,198 yards, (8th), 87 touchdowns, (10th). Art has two rings of course - Give that whatever value you like. I'd love to see him in the hall, but if Cris is eligible, then he has to go first.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 07:42 PM on December 06
I never remember Andre Reed having that amazing of a forehead.
posted by holden at 09:51 AM on December 07
He could sell advertising on it.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 11:06 AM on December 07
Hall of Fame shouldn't be about raw stats only. Darrell Green is viewed by many, including former opposing receivers, as the "definitive" CB. If I could vote, I wouldn't usually vote for a first year eligible, but I'd make an exception for Green. Chris Carter: Maybe in a couple of years. Regarding Art Monk, He should go in. He had a great impact in the League when he was playing and is the kind of player I'd expect to see when visiting the Hall of Fame. I'd better quit before I start sounding like a Redskins fan.
posted by perdy at 04:34 PM on December 07
If it was all about numbers, then Stallworth would've gotten in before Swann. Carter should get in, but Monk should get in first.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 11:08 AM on December 08
I'm not pushing for numbers to be the sole decider between two players about who should go and who shouldn't, (and certainly not a factor on their own, or it'd be welcome to Canton, Vinny Testaverde), but people-in-the-street™ seem to forget Cris Carter a lot. He was in the top five for receptions in six seasons in his career - the top five for touchdowns seven times and finished his career as the man statistically closest to the guy widely acknowleged as the greatest receiver of all time and yet he should wait a couple of years? The second leading rusher is Walter Payton. The second leading passer is Dan Marino. But the second leading receiver ever doesn't deserve to go straight in, because... why? I'm interested to see reasons other than "this guy should go first."
posted by Mr Bismarck at 12:00 PM on December 08
I don't have a good reason. I just think Art Monk is a class act and Cris Carter is an asshole. I 'm completely, cheerfully, unapologetically irrational about it.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 02:11 PM on December 08
I 'm completely, cheerfully, unapologetically irrational about it. Reasoning I can totally appreciate.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 03:05 PM on December 08
Any current Hall of Famer would be proud to find himself on the same list as Darryl Green. Great football players, who play for so long with such energy and dominance, come along rarely. Great men, willing to sacrifice to help others live better, also come along rarely. In Darryl Green we have both, a humble, nice guy who happens to be the best cornerback ever. The only thing that would keep him out is bullshit HoF voting customs or unwritten rules about first-timers. The same should go for Art Monk, but I'll acknowledge Redskins fandom and pass on that one.
posted by Hugh Janus at 05:17 PM on December 08
Darrell Green doesn't need to get inducted this time around, cuz he's so fast, he's already delivered his acceptance speech FROM THE FUTURE. *puts the joint down*
posted by BitterOldPunk at 05:55 PM on December 09
Damn, I've been a fan of Darrell Green most of my life but I've never spelled his name right until this sentence. *picks the joint up*
posted by Hugh Janus at 10:34 AM on December 10
Both names are misspelled in the OP - perhaps you don't get into Canton until people spell your name correctly without checking. *books Easyjet trip to Amsterdam*
posted by Mr Bismarck at 12:26 PM on December 10
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