This is normal for "whitetrashcar". The rules mean even less on the track. The comment on a cheater getting praise for wrecking other drivers on purpose, yes im talking about the late "imbreader" opps I mean "imtimadater". nascar is a total joke. If they would actually enforce the rules evenly, not based on who broke the rule. We did not renew of 16 brickyard tickets. We will spend even more of our time following Fomula 1 and World Rally Car. nascar can learn TONS by watching the governing body of Formula 1 work. They stripped the championship from Micheal Schumacher for "dirty driving" in the final race of the season to keep his points lead. And when another team, Red Bull if I remember right was caught messing with the weight of one of their cars, they had the result of BOTH cars totally removed from the results, PLUS they were not allowed to the next two races. In a sport with only 16 so races and companies putting up money that makes nascar team budgets look like go cart teams budgets, this was a HUGE deal, neddless to say the sponsers and engine manufactures were not happy and took alot of negitive press. But that happens at the apex of motorsport. It costs the same amout to build and lease the engine for one F1 car as it does to run 16 cup cars, and each team is required to put 2 cars on the track. That is 32 cup cars. Try getting sponsor money for 32 cup cars to fit on 2 cars that have to look EXACTLY the same. the 2 cars can not have diferent sponsers on them, BAR tried and was almost thrown out of F1 all together over it. These are the types of lessions Nascar needs to learn, becase I say ALOT of EMPTY SEATS at most every track last year.
Okay, Schumacher was NEVER stripped of a title. He was excluded from the 1997 season for basically doing what Dale Earnhardt was praised for. He tried to take Jacques Villeneuve out by deliberately driving into him. But put himself out. (HAHA!) However, he was allowed to keep his results, so despite being excluded, all his wins counted. Figure that out. The incident you mention with Red Bull was actually the BAR team (now the Honda works team). They were running an illegal fuel system that was able to modify the weight of the car. Stewards deemed it legal. FIA said otherwise, and excluded them from the results of the race it was found in (Imola 2005) and banned them for a further two races. NASCAR is ridiculous, and I say that as a former fan (So suck on it Black Hand). I usually watch the race at Watkins, and that's it. If I want to see something go in circles, I'll have an argument with my wife, thanks. I take MAJOR issue with anyone claiming that F1 is run any better than NASCAR. All governing bodies are as deranged as one another, but I do believe there is less cheating in F1 these days, because of all the sponsors and money involved. The last actual cheating I remember (and I don't count the BAR debacle in 2005) was Benetton allegedly running illegal traction control in 1994, but it could never be proven. When a team like Toyota have a budget of $500 million in F1, and poodle around at the back of the grid a lot of the time, I really can't see them daring to risk cheating. BAR never really suffered for their transgression, in as much as it had no lasting repercussions (since the takeover by Honda was already planned), but it was still bad for the sport. Though the fact of the matter is the "cheating" in question was of dubious merit to start with, and to be honest I think it was sabre rattling from the FIA. F1 has always had rules with grey areas, unlike NASCAR's black and white. This years McLaren skirts the edge of legality in a couple of areas from the technical analysis I've read, a fact which is for sure going to be brought up if McLaren happen to do very well. Generally in F1, if something is of dubious legality, rather than complain right away, teams will put it in the bottom drawer and save any official protest for when it is most beneficial. (Ferrari and Bridgestone's complaint about the Michelin tyres at Monza a few years ago for example. They'd run that design of tyres for over a year before Ferrari and Bridgestone complained.) Then there was the farce of Renault's "mass dampers" last year which the stewards ruled legal, the FIA then overruled them, then, if I remember rightly, Renault submitted it to the stewards again, who ruled it legal again, then Renault decided not to run it and fight the FIA for A) the good of the sport, and B) the fact the FIA, like any ruling body, take criticism personally and would have spanked Renault hard, and, given how it shook out, cost them the championship.
As jet fuel is just cleaned up kerosene, I don't think that it would be a viable thing to try. They would be lucky to get the engine lit, it takes quite a bit of heat to get it going. The only reason turbine engines continue to run is because it is constantly burning. However if they could get it going it would produce more power. Kerosene produces 19,000 btu more energy per gallon than gasoline.
"Hey, there's nothin stock about a stock car." -Harry from Days of Thunder
This is normal for "whitetrashcar". You know, for somebody who characterizes a sport as "whitetrashcar," you appear to have a third-grade level grasp of writing, at best. Maybe you should take a long, hard look in the mirror before you prance around namecalling. NASCAR is ridiculous, and I say that as a former fan (So suck on it Black Hand). What are you, 12 years old? You don't like the sport, that's fine, leave the "suck on that" garbage on the playground.
Yesterday I was thinking that Toyota probably wasn't aware of the substance, but after thinking about it a bit I'm not so sure. And Michael falling on a sword in the press conference made me even more suspicious, I don't know why. (I know he had to do it being the car owner) I just can't see how Toyota wouldn't be aware of anything related to the engine, especially since this is the first Cup race they've run. They had guys all over that motor. Holy shit, their F1 budget is a half a billion a year?? Really? They haven't even won a race. Maybe they signed the wrong Schumacher.
Michael Waltrip needs some help. He hasn't seen the checkered flag in how long? Is he gay? Maybe Tim Hardaway would know.
Yes. Toyota's operating budget for F1 is estimated to be half a billion. Conclusive proof that in racing, money does not always equal success.
Here is the lates list from Business F1 magazine - www.f1editorial.com McLaren: $400m Toyota: $393m Honda: $382m BMW: $378m Ferrari: $329m Renault: $300m Red Bull: $201m Williams: $134m Super Aguri: $95m Midland: $75m Toro Rosso: $66m NASCAR has about the same level of commonality with a street car as an F1 machine, but without all that pesky technology in the way As for Nascar, whether Toyota is really using outrageous salaries to stock its Nextel Cup outfits is a matter of debate. The most vocal criticism has come from those affiliated with Ford, which lost driver Dale Jarrett and his UPS sponsorship to Michael Waltrip's startup Toyota team. In a Jan. 17 New York Times report, Ford Racing head Dan Davis called Toyota "predators," claiming he had heard Waltrip signed Jarrett for $20 million, and that another Toyota team, Red Bull, lured engineer John Probst from Ford by doubling or tripling his salary
Black Hand. Spelling has ZERO bearing on intelligence. Yes I suck a spelling. Especially when I take 2 Vicodin as I did this morning. I normally run my posts through a spell check and forgot to do it on that post so I misspelled 7 words. Wait.... Crap the world just stopped spinning. I find it funny that you could not challenge any of the facts I posted. You just like to cry like a typical NASCAR fan. I will watch some of the races if when they are in HDTV and they do not conflict with a F1 or WRC race. It does look good on the 125 inch HD. But I can feel my IQ drop 2 points every time I have to listen to that moron DW say bogity bogity bogity. OMG anyone not insulted by that does not understand why they should be insulted
vipers-pit, I didn't challenge your facts because I didn't have a problem with them. I do have a problem with your lousy attitude towards the sport, and your characterization of those of us who enjoy it as "white trash." Darrell Waltrip is indeed annoying, but if you can feel your IQ dropping just because he repeats an inane phrase every week, the problem is less with him than it is with you.
Yes I suck a spelling Which one? This one, or this one?
Good for Dale J. If he got $20 million, that's just great. I see they got another one.... Jeff Gordon for having a car ride to close to the track.... caused by a broken part... so he didn't get axed... just moved to last in the restart.
When The Green Flag Drops The Bullshit Stops!!!!!
Formula 1 governance better than NASCAAR??? Three words, USGP Indianapolis Michelin. On 'cheatin'- It's a shame that what used to be a fun part of NASCAR has now become a media fueled crisis of credibility. I guess this comes with the territory of mega-buck teams and competition for sponsorship. The good ol' boys are all but gone, replaced by the fast and the furious. O well, from defeat comes opportunity- I can see it now. OXY-JET, instant horsepower banned by NASCAR but now available for your car...only at NAPA!!
Just follow the money. When Ford, GM, Toyota, Diamler Chrysler, Dupont, and other large or larger corporations are involved they do not pay when their name and or company logo is not in the TV shot. Oh yeah, you can throw in NBC and Fox network for the infussion of money that has " Cleaned up the sport. " Take me back to Cale Yarborough, David Pearson, Bobby Isaacs, Benny Parsons, the Allison brothers, and the King. I long for the days of " Run what you brung "
Me too Ironhead. I can't comment too much about F1 or WRC, because I don't watch it, although I can make a statement about the "whitetrashcar" comment. Just for the record, and I'm sure there are more, but both my wife and I have graduated high school, and have earned 4 year college degrees. Hers in business, and mine in lawenforcement. Each nascar team/driver has their own personality, and I know if its not DW you like, I'm sure there's a Robbie Gordon, Tony Stewart, or the King of 2nd place, Mark Martin for you.
I am from Indianapolis and have been to the greatest race in the world, the Indy 500 many times and really can't see what there is to debate here. Rules are rules and they apply if you are from the current drivers era or the whiskey runners era. The Toyota team broke the rules so live with it and pay the price. I personally don't like to see the Toyota team come to NASCAR I think stock car racing is 100% American but I guess that is being close minded, or a red neck. Even though Indy draws more fans to one race than 5 stock car races so many different countries taking part in the race and the Honda / Toyota participation has hurt the attendance at Indy. Lets stick to the rules and just race. By the way Indy is America's race NOT Daytona
I am from Indianapolis and have been to the greatest race in the world, the Indy 500 many times and really can't see what there is to debate here. Rules are rules and they apply if you are from the current drivers era or the whiskey runners era. The Toyota team broke the rules so live with it and pay the price. I personally don't like to see the Toyota team come to NASCAR I think stock car racing is 100% American but I guess that is being close minded. Even though Indy draws more fans to one race than 5 stock car races so many different countries taking part in the race and the Honda / Toyota participation has hurt the attendance. Lets stick to the rules and just race. By the way Indy is Americas race NOT Daytona
I was born in South Bend. Grew up in the south where I still live. Indy WAS America's race.. Now it is Nascar.
When there is a race in the WORLD that draws as many fans(400,000 in one day) and has the purse that Indy has you can feel free to call it America's race. Any current driver alive old or young will tell you too win Indy is the greatest victory in racing bar none. How many race tracks have an 18 hole golf course in the infield. I think Daytona is a great race but it is yet a baby compared to Indy. It will never achieve the world wide popularity that Indy has. For that matter the Brick Yard 400 draws more fans than Daytona. Have you ever been to the Indy 500?
I live in Indiana. I am a looong time NASCAR fan and have been to the Brickyard twice (birthday present from my sons). I have been to many Indy 500 time trials. There was a difference years ago in the cars. The Indy cars were made for one purpose and only one, to race. They are lighter, run on alcohol, have on board jacks, take one nut to remove each wheel, ect. The NASCAR cars were win on Sunday and buy on Monday type of cars. Many probably do not remember Plymouth sending Richard Petty cars with vinyl roofs that came loose at Daytona and bubbled up. However now NASCAR cars are made to race with who knows where the engines come from or where the transmissions come from or any of the other parts. Maurice Petty was the builder for Lee and Richards cars. Dale Inman (Richard's cousin) was the crew chief and I could buy the same body style because in order to run the car the manufacture had to sell 1500 cars of the same to the public, thus the Plymouth Superbirds and Dodge Daytonas and the Ford Talledga and the Mercury Mauraders. They didn't come from the factory with roll cages but you could tell what they were. One last thought and I am finished, I would rather watch a race where on the last lap there were more than one or two cars capable of being the winner. Many times of 500 miles of NASCAR racing there will be 15 or 20 cars on the lead lap. When was the last time an Indy car race could make the statement? So long, Coach
coach, I lived in Indianapolis my whole life, and am now an automotive supplier to many OEMs and transplants. I also supply Roush,Panoz,Saleen, and a few other companies that are heavy into racing. I also was into the Super Bird, Dodge Daytona. and Ford Talledga which had a 428 cora Jet Engine on board. I am a motor head. I agree with you on every point you make, but going to the Indy time trials which draws as many fans as most of the NASCAR races and the Brick Yard is not the same as the Indy 500 race. I am also a very big NASCAR fan but the fact is NASCAR came to Indy to start the BrickYard race which by the way is the highest paying race in the Nextel series and if you asked, many drivers would have to think twice about which race they would rather win. Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon grew up a stones through from Indy and their interest in racing was developed from the popularity of the Indianapolis 500. One more thing. I live in the Detroit metro area and am also a big fan of all the area teams and i want you to know in most cases I feel your pain. At least I have the Colts, which is coached by a good ole Jackson Michigan guy. By the way in the last 15 or 20 years many races at Indy have been won by a photo finish of less than 1 second.
I've never been to Daytona, sad to say, but attended the Indy 500 from 1980-to 1995. I have to say that most years the Saturday antics on Georgetown road and the Snake Pit (gone but not forgotten) on race day were better shows than the race, with a couple of great exceptions. NASCAR on the other hand, with a few races here and there always puts on a great race with a lot better attitude towards the fan. Tony George made the best decision of his career when he scheduled the Brickyard 400.
