Young Buckeyes considering NFL draft : I wonder how good they will be next year if they all go?
posted by livewire to football at 05:52 PM - 25 comments
Somehow my brain completely skipped 'NFL' and I assumed this article would be about Oden and Co. That team (the basketball team) is much more likely to be devastated by the draft than the football team.
posted by tieguy at 06:04 PM on December 15
I can see Ginn going high, but as for the rest of them they'd be best served to stay in school another year (although they're more than welcome to leave). I don't see Gonzalez as a high pick this year, but with another year he should be able to improve his draft status. As for Pittman saying he wants to return and win the Heisman, I can't see that happening. To me Pittman is not as good as it seems, as he benefits from defenses focusing on stopping Smith.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 07:09 PM on December 15
They're just checking out their options. I doubt any of them, with the exception of Ginn (maybe) are going anywhere.
posted by dyams at 08:33 PM on December 15
Tressel's a smart guy -- if you read the entire article, toward the end Gonzales says that Tressel suggested that he file the paperwork to be evaluated. To me, that means Tressel's not worried about what this all means. Think about it, though. That paperwork's going to come back showing most of those guys as a third or fourth round pick at best (except maybe for Ginn). Now Tressel can tell them, "Well, come back, stay healthy and have a solid senior year with me -- you're in a high profile program, everyone's watching us -- and you can easily move up to a first or second round pick in the next draft with a solid performance next season." The kids know what that means -- mo money, mo money, mo money! They won't care WHO they play for in the NFL, it's just that they've made it that matters to them.
posted by gdvbranz at 08:00 AM on December 16
I agree with gdvbranz. Tressel knows what he is doing. I find the statement that Gonzales said about guys he knows in the NFL and how they are miserable very interesting.
posted by lil'red at 09:11 AM on December 16
ted ginn wont be able to run by nfl corner backs pittman should leave gonzales is a bbrandon stokley at best so in conculsion stay at school get your education your payday wont be that big!!!!!!!
posted by Ohiojester at 10:08 AM on December 16
your payday wont be that big!!!!!!! Still helluva lot more money than I'll ever see and for a lot of those families, it's money right here and now that they need. Easy for us to say, but I certainly can't blame them for wanting the CHA-CHING right now and here.
posted by jmd82 at 11:57 AM on December 16
in conculsion stay at school get your education *cries*
posted by justgary at 12:30 PM on December 16
justgary: nothing like the onion of irony to put tears in your eyes, eh?
posted by tieguy at 01:00 PM on December 16
To say Ginn is the only one who would go anywhere is the dumbest thing I ever heard. If anyone has seen a Buckeyes game this year they would know that Gonzalez is 5 times the receiver that Ginn is and that Ginn is overrated. He is the best athlete of the group, but in the NFL he wont be very successful becasue he cant handle pressure, in big games he is average and he is too damn inconsistent. Troy Smith made Ginn the reciever that he is and since his freshmen year he has slowed down immensely in the form of a return man. One thing about OSU is there graduation percentage, guys just dont leave early, unless like Maurice Clarett they are idiots. In my opinion losing Gonzalez would hurt the most out of that bunch and I really dont see any of them going early except for Ginn, but his father is gonna have a huge role in determining his future.
posted by Clevelander32 at 03:19 PM on December 16
OSU blows, Michigan is the better team and you all know it. If they played that game under normal circumstances and not the day after one of the most prominent figures in Michigan history, if not all of college football, dies, we crush you. OSU is so one dimensional that it is just ridiculous. Troy Smith is a great athlete, but without him your nothing. Anyway, good luck next year, Slick, you'll need it. Oh, by the way, if one is responsible for voting, then vote all the time and not just when it is convenient for you.
posted by sydney2006 at 03:21 PM on December 16
Can you say, OVERRATED!!!!
posted by sydney2006 at 03:23 PM on December 16
Hey sydney2006, you're mumbling. You might want to take those sour grapes out of your mouth. Nice of you to blame the loss on Bo inconveniently passing away. How inconsiderate of him. Nice comeback.
posted by Desert Dog at 03:50 PM on December 16
Blah, blah, blah, Dessert Dog. You were sweatin' there before the final bowl pairings were announced. You know things would be different in Glendale if we we're there. Anyway, the sour grapes in my mouth a those that were force fed to me by the BcS. You may beat Florida, but nothing is settled properly unless we have a playoff.
posted by sydney2006 at 04:26 PM on December 16
As much as I hate to say this......Ohio State is one of those schools whose program is much bigger than the players. I mean to take nothing away from the loads of talent playing there this year when I say that. Look at what USC does year after year after losing heisman winners and first round draft picks every year. Ugh, that was hard for me to say too. Elite programs stack em deep. They'll be fine no matter who goes pro.
posted by louisville_slugger at 05:10 PM on December 16
Two will go and two will stay. To credit Tressel's ability as a coach, the Bucknuts will just reload. It pains me to say that as I am no fan of OSU.
posted by FonGu at 03:58 AM on December 17
sydney2006 , Over-rated? I HATE OSU, but I must point out a 12-0 record (no easy feat), to include beating 2 #2 teams, and an appearance in the BCS Championship game. Not to mention that Tressel has beat Big Blue every season since he arrived and they had something like 9 players get drafted last season. While I would like nothing more than to see the most arrogant fans in the known universe have their team manhandled come January, to call them over-rated is a little off base.
posted by FonGu at 04:10 AM on December 17
Anyway, good luck next year, Slick, you'll need it. Yeah, Ohio State has such a huge problem replacing players and bringing in any talent. People who can't admit that a team is good, regardless of who it is they follow (or tend not to like) need to go back to the fan posting boards.
posted by dyams at 09:41 AM on December 17
While I would like nothing more than to see the most arrogant fans in the known universe have their team man-handled come January Michigan football fans have have their claim to this well staked, and Pete Carroll will take Lloyd Carr to school much like Tressel always does. to call them (OSU) overrated is a little off-base. Naw, it's blatant Homerism at it's finest. nothing is settled properly unless we have a playoff. You did, you lost.
posted by mjkredliner at 11:14 AM on December 17
It's idiot fans like you sydney that cant accept a loss so they make up excuses. You shouldn't even deserve the title of fan the way you incoherently bitch about losing one game. Playing the overrated card is getting old as well, just because Jim Tressel owns your ass. Who did you blame the '04 and '05 games on becasue in '04 we were a 4-loss team and we still kicked your ass, and last year we were trailing late and came back and won, just be a man and accept a loss, don't be mad at us for kicking your ass be mad at yourself and Florida for also out playing your team all season.
posted by Clevelander32 at 11:43 AM on December 17
Michigan Fans: You had a good year. You went from 7-5 to 11-1 with the same team like we did (8-4 to 10-2). I think Pittman should go to the NFL, It would be bad because Chris Wells is going to get most of the action. But, I don't think it was Troy Smith that made Pittman, he is a good back by his own. As to Ginn not running by NFL cornerbacks... Why would it be different? He has olympic speed? Unless he is going against Justin Gatlin I don't see why he wouldn't... Reggie Bush does and he finished not 2nd but 3rd in Nationals behind Ginn in High school track.
posted by nicholasr87 at 12:10 PM on December 17
Clevelander32, you pretty much hit it right on the head. But think about something. How sweet would it be to kick Michigan's ass TWICE in one year? That would be freakin' awesome. But Sydney 2000 would come up with some chicken-shit excuse like the team had too many White Castle's and had the shits. Nice.
posted by Desert Dog at 08:40 PM on December 17
Clevelander32, we were a 4-loss team and we still kicked your ass last year we were trailing late and came back and won "We"? Can you please share your experiences as a Buckeye alum? Or is this another example of the typical arrogant OSU fan?
posted by FonGu at 04:43 AM on December 18
Arrogant. When you're a fan of a great undefeated team like this year's Buckeyes, arrogant is good. Come on, if the shoe were on the other foot with the Wolverines as the undefeated team and the Bucks on the outside looking in, Michigan fans would be the same. We're just enjoying a season that doesn't come around very often.
posted by Desert Dog at 11:02 AM on December 18
Just now getting back to the post -- been busy! Clevelander32 wrote, "To say Ginn is the only one who would go anywhere is the dumbest thing I ever heard." Re-read the post -- I didn't say he's the only one who would go anywhere, I said that he would probably get drafted a little higher than the other guys. I think this because he's a talented, multidimensional player (receiving/kick & punt returns) who has been in the spotlight longer than Gonzales, though there's no doubt that Gonzales is a hell of a player and invaluable to the Bucks. Honestly, I like Gonzales better than Ginn as well. Gonzales is a "go to" guy with great hands, and he's actually supposed to be slightly faster than Ginn. Whenever they enter the draft, it will be interesting to see who goes where and how high they're picked. All of them will play in the NFL, but I stand by my statement that Ginn would probably go higher than the others if they left early, only because of the attention he's received and because an NFL team could experiment with him in several other positions due to the potential he brings to the table. I don't think we've seen the best of Ginn -- just flashes of it. Stats don't lie, though -- here's the season review: CUMULATIVE STATS OSU While this is just for last season, I went back to past seasons as well -- Ginn has outperformed Gonzales each season in each category.
posted by gdvbranz at 10:20 AM on December 30
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