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October 14, 2008

Cowboys Acquire Roy Williams in Trade with Lions: The Dallas Cowboys traded next year's first-, third- and sixth-round draft picks to the Detroit Lions for wide receiver Roy Williams. The trade deadline move adds a receiver who has a career 262 catches for 3,884 yards and 29 touchdowns.

posted by rcade to football at 06:34 PM - 47 comments

This seems fair. I guess losing to Arizona was a bit much for them Cowboys.

On another note, I simply cannot wait to see how T.O. reacts to having another reciever for Romo to throw to. Time to get the popcorn ready.

posted by THX-1138 at 08:00 PM on October 14

I'm not so sure giving up a 1st and 3rd rounder is a good gamble to upgrade an otherwise strong receiving corps when it's their defense that could use more fortification.

I can't complain, though; this brings some semblance of solace considering I have four fantasy teams with Romo as my QB.

posted by charlatan at 08:12 PM on October 14

Am I crazy or does Jerry Jones only pick up guys with baggage? Dallas is like the final resting place for extremely talented misfit players.

T.O. and Williams are buddies now. But do you think T.O. will be happy if he only has 7-8 pass targets per game?

Charlatan, how did you end up drafting Romo 4 times? The odds of that are crazy. Unless you only have auction drafts and you went on a Romo binge. Btw, sorry for your loss.

posted by bluesdog at 12:37 AM on October 15

Romo out, Punter out, Felix Jones out, Pacman done,Newman injuries, Hurd out,= Cowboys out of the playoffs.

posted by sportsblitz at 05:48 AM on October 15

While it's too early to speculate on whether or not the Cowboys make the playoffs, I do agree that they needed defensive help before adding another star receiver.

T.O. is all smiles today, I bet that changes come Sunday and Brad Johnson is having trouble getting the ball to him.

posted by dviking at 09:13 AM on October 15

On another note, I simply cannot wait to see how T.O. reacts to having another reciever for Romo to throw to

Considering that this move was made in order to help T.O., I believe that this move will work out for the better.

T.O. is all smiles today, I bet that changes come Sunday and Brad Johnson is having trouble getting the ball to him

Why do people forget that the Cowboys picking up Brad Johnson last year was a move made just for this exact moment. Johnson is a Super Bowl winning QB while he was with Tampa Bay and he still has plenty of life left in his arm. If Romo is out for 4 weeks as speculated, Brad Johnson will be able to come in and do his job. The running game will be more of the focal point but with Roy Williams now in the mix, T.O. is going to be get open more and Patrick Crayton will move back to his original, slot position....I just hope that he doesn't keep dropping balls even back in that position. Also, Jason Witten is still healthy and is the safety net for the Cowboys.

The only thing that I'm fearful for is the fact that my 'Boys were dependant on a undependable player and that is CB, Adam Jones. He was our most consistant defender and losing him just made a shaky secondary even shakier. Having Felix Jones out for a few weeks hurts just as much but since Marion Barber is still a beast, our running game should be suffice.

posted by BornIcon at 10:12 AM on October 15

I grow tired of the media's fascination with every little thing they do. I don't think that the sky has fallen as they are portraying.

First of all, I can't say how many times I saw Pacman getting burned in coverage or missing tackles. This was a gamble at best. They have some young corners that should be able to step up at least somewhat.

Secondly, the way that teams consistently double TO makes this a good move (trading for Roy Williams). If they start throwing to him initially, then it might loosen up the other side. If not, they can throw to Witten and the backs out of the backfield. They have Choice to fill in for Felix and with Crayton at the slot, he should find the middle of the field to his liking. I just think it does more to help them than to hurt them. So what if they give up a first and third for someone that has already been to the pro-bowl. If they get the choice from the Titans (via Pacman violating his conduct policy) that would more than wash the additional 7th or 6th rounder they lost.

Third, Brad Johnson should (the key here) be able to step in and at least run the offense. With so much talent on offense, they should be able to spread the field the way they thought they were going to be able to when they had Terry Glenn originally on the other side. It should be fine for now. And, I don't think Romo will take the full 4 weeks unless they win a couple of those games.

Lastly, if they don't do really great this year, so what. The league is meant to be balanced. If St. Louis can go to WA and beat them at home (and Cleveland over the G-Men), it goes to show how little the margin is from the have's and the have not's. I thought it was crazy to heap so much "Super Bowl" hype at them anyway. The defense needs to step up and be more accountable. They are giving up way too much yards on the ground, and their pass defense is only average at best (and that was with Pacman in there).

So, let the media disect and tell how they are doomed. What they say (as well as us on the blogs) should have no bearing whatsoever on how they perform. Who cares

posted by Mickster at 12:00 PM on October 15

Who cares

I agree with just about everything that you posted but to answer your question, I care.

I care about what happens with my 'Boys and who's in or out due to injuries or suspensions. I care about Tony Romo, Terrance Newman and Felix Jones being hurt. I know that on paper, the Cowboys were favored to win the Super Bowl but the fact of the matter is, the games aren't played on paper...they're played on Sundays (ok, and Monday nights as well but you catch my drift).

As Herm Edwards would say, "You play..to win..the game!" So as long as they just play the game, everything should be just fine.

posted by BornIcon at 01:15 PM on October 15

I agree with THX, TO will not be a happy camper if Roy Williams starts getting TD catches. TO is way too focused on his personal statistics. If harmony reigns in Dallas, they still gave up a lot for him. This is a shockingly good move by Detroit.

I love Brad Johnson more than most. He hails from my alma mater, and brought a Super Bowl to my favorite team. Still, he is old, and even in his prime was a game manager. He is not going to scramble and make the big play, or throw long bombs. He just isn't that kind of player. He also isn't going to lose the game either. I see bright days ahead for Barber and Witten. Still for all the press this team gets, they don't resemble a playoff team, especially in that division. In fact, they may end up as last in their division.

posted by bperk at 01:25 PM on October 15

It seems like Jerry Jones is the new Al Davis.If there is any more bad guys available send them to Dallas. Did Jerry forget about Chris Henry? I'm sure the Bengals would trade him.

posted by Doehead at 02:06 PM on October 15

It seems like Jerry Jones is the new Al Davis.

Except, you know, Jerry Jones wins more games than he loses.

posted by dfleming at 02:27 PM on October 15

It seems like Jerry Jones is the new Al Davis.If there is any more bad guys available send them to Dallas.

What has Roy Williams done that makes him a bad guy?

posted by bperk at 03:00 PM on October 15

Hey BornIcon, I get it that you care. I do too. The message was aimed at "who cares" what all the so called experts say. Half to three quarters praise them as they beat the Eagles and Packers. Then when they loose a game or two, everyone jumps in to say that TO is gonna implode, or that Jerry Jones is criticized for the Pacman deal. He took a chance and I am ok with it. Heck, I couldn't care if he sends Pacman packing...

I believe they will be fine, but so much interest with everything they do. When Washington lost to the winless Rams, at home mind you, it was like nobody noticed. IT is such a winless situation. If they win, it is never by enough points, or an ugly win. It is bad because TO is pouting. If they loose, then the sky is falling.

posted by Mickster at 03:54 PM on October 15

Beaten to the Al Davis/Jerry Jones comparison. After hearing about Romo's injury, I was hoping this meant more runs for Marion Barber. Guess not. Got to face it Mickster, the Cowboys are the pro team with a college football like following.

posted by Newbie Walker at 06:42 PM on October 15

I'm not a fan of the 'Boys, even though I lived in the Metroplex a few years I could not bring myself to like that Landry guy.

I think the sky is falling on the cowpokes. If they do not at least reach the super bowl, this season will be a considered a failure considering all JJ has done to build his little empire in Dallas. (OK so I do not really like him either).

posted by Folkways at 06:59 PM on October 15

It's so funny. Every year we are bombarded with media telling us the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL "on paper". Romo gets mentioned with Brady and Peyton Manning as the elite QB's in the league. And, every year, we watch them fall on their faces.

Super Bowl? Hell, this franchise hasn't won a playoff game since the mid 90's and is not likely to this year. Their defence is weak, the secondary was bad WITH Pac Man, and Wade Phillips got flat-ass out-coached by Jim Zorn.

And now Jerry Jones (whom I heartily detest for the way he treated Tom Landry) has decided to swap next year's draft for Roy Williams.

Well, good luck with all that.

posted by gradioc at 08:40 PM on October 15

I think Mickster and BornIcon are forgetting that with Johnson's weaker arm the offense will not be all that spread out now that Williams is on board. The running game is hurting with Felix out, the passing game is shortened up with Johnson, and T.O. has proven many times that he will say he's happy to share the catches, however, he rarely truly is.

The Jerry Jones media express is their own worse enemy...any other team have a cable series about their training camp? They hype it up so high that anything less than a Super Bowl is a disappointment.

I have a few of the boys on my fantasy team, so I don't want to see them fall apart completely, but I can't say that I'm at all saddened by the developments.

posted by dviking at 12:18 AM on October 16

From the Lions perspective--having had the misfortune of being born a Lions fan--this is about the best move they've had in recent memory. It sends the message that they mean business about rebuilding, actually getting something in exchange for a former top 10 WR draft pick before he flamed out (or lit up). That, and they put Kitna on IR.

Of course, if they go WR with even one of their 1st round picks next year, I might stick my head in an oven.

posted by jdefauw at 12:43 AM on October 16

Dear Roy Williams,

Good riddance. Yes you were our best receiver but after a while the countless celebrations after a first down get old. Yes those are hard to come by in Detroit but you didn't have to make it any more embarrassing. And in case you forgot, an important part of being a receiver is catching the ball. For every highlight catch you made you dropped at least three easy passes that hit you right in the numbers. No more watching you sulk when the ball was thrown poorly. No more seeing you run downfield and then drop the ball without being hit. And plus, maybe with a new GM those draft picks will mean something.

Sincerely,

YYM (Lions fan and proud of it)

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 01:05 AM on October 16

Say what you want. I'm still going to get my popcorn ready. T.O. flipped out on the center last week. This week it will be Johnson that get's the brunt of it. Or Wade. Or a trainer. But I will keep watching.

It's called patterns of behaviour. I'm betting that it will happen again.

(Besides, I can't root for my team, the imbecilic heartless Seahawks to win. I have to root for other teams to disintegrate like mine did.)

posted by THX-1138 at 01:42 AM on October 16

Great move on the Cowboys part. Two number one receivers and a number two as the slot receiver. Not to mention one of the best tight ends in the league... Brad Johnson should be foaming at the mouth and defenses should be very nervous because they can't cover all of them.. You double the outside and Crayton and Whitten will eat them alive... We need the offense to stay on the field and the defense will take care of itself... Injuries hurt right now, but everyone goes through that stage... Williams will have a new passion for the game because he got out of a no win situation that has gone on for years... How can you do it every day when you know there is nothing to look forward to because of ownership and management.

posted by bruce2ww at 08:36 AM on October 16

IT is such a winless situation. If they win, it is never by enough points, or an ugly win. It is bad because TO is pouting. If they loose, then the sky is falling

But that's what happens when you add hype to an already physically & mentally demanding sport like football. The Cowboys are full of Pro Bowlers and are capable of running the table and bringing it home but the fact is, the games still need to be played and any one team can win it all.

I think Mickster and BornIcon are forgetting that with Johnson's weaker arm the offense will not be all that spread out now that Williams is on board

Nah, you got it twisted. I'm not oblivious to the fact of what Brad Johnson brings to the dance but still, you seem to be forgetting that he still is a Super Bowl winning QB with his weak arm and all.

What I said was that having a veteran QB like Johnson will be able to still run the offense smoothly. Johnson won't be out there trying too hard trying to make things happen, he'll just do his job.

Having a veteran QB as a backup helps out in so many ways. For one, if the starter goes down, a veteran will step in and since he's been there & done that, he won't have the 'deer in the headlights -look unlike a rookie QB (nevermind Matt Ryan or Joey Flacco).

I'm not a fan of the 'Boys...I think the sky is falling on the cowpokes

A little overly dramamtic there, don'tcha think Folkways? You're very first sentence made everything else that you said pretty much obsolete since it showed what side of the fence that you stand.

T.O. flipped out on the center last week

And your point is? The reason T.O. "flipped out" on the center was because the center missed his assignment which was the reason that Romo got hurt in the first place. If the center played his position, he would have been able to make the block and Romo would've been able to avoid being injured.

Instead of bringing up half-truths, why not explain the entire reason for T.O. being upset?

posted by BornIcon at 09:01 AM on October 16

Joe Montana is a Super bowl winning QB too, however, his arm strenght isn't what it used to be too. Don't get me wrong, I. like johnson's ability to run a game, he just can not get the ball as deep as Romo can.

Mixed news out today, looks like Romo is going to try to play. I wonder if the call from Brett Favre had anything to do with it.

posted by dviking at 10:34 AM on October 16

So, BI, as a Cowboys fan, you aren't the least bit worried about TO? The tenor of his comments this year have been eerily reminiscent to me of how he starts acting when he goes into that seek and destroy mode of his.

posted by bperk at 10:39 AM on October 16

YYM (Lions fan and proud of it)

You have to be happy about how much value you got in return for him as well. Three draft picks for a player that the Lions didn't even want, and could have left at the end of the year. The Lions got more value than I think anyone (except Jones) thought he was worth.

posted by bperk at 10:49 AM on October 16

A little overly dramamtic there, don'tcha think Folkways?

I don't know about being "overly dramatic" but if I come across that way I can live with it.

You're very first sentence made everything else that you said pretty much obsolete since it showed what side of the fence that you stand.

If this is fact then wouldn't it also apply to your comments since you are a cowboys fan? Seeing what side of the fence you stand an all. Not at all meant to be a snide comment, I just don't see how being a fan/not a fan affects (effects? I never can remember which is what) the facts.

posted by Folkways at 11:49 AM on October 16

Joe Montana is a Super bowl winning QB too, however, his arm strenght isn't what it used to be too

Horrible example since Montana hasn't been on an NFL roster since the 90's.

So, BI, as a Cowboys fan, you aren't the least bit worried about TO?

Honestly? Not one bit. Everyone keeps talking about T.O. being a distraction and all this other BS but the fact of the matter is, T.O. hasn't done or said anything that wasn't actually true. Granted, since he is who he is, the moment he has something to say, people have a tendacy to create these outlandish scenerios as to how he's a cancer in the locker room and that's just not the case.

If this is fact then wouldn't it also apply to your comments since you are a cowboys fan?

Not really since I have bashed my 'Boys on countless occasions for some of the moves they've made (i.e. trading for Adam Jones). I'm not saying that you shouldn't make comments about anyone or anything but when you admit that you're not a fan of a team and then continually bash them, then the rest of what you have to say falls on deaf ears.

posted by BornIcon at 12:33 PM on October 16

Granted, since he is who he is, the moment he has something to say, people have a tendacy to create these outlandish scenerios as to how he's a cancer in the locker room and that's just not the case.

Because he is who he is, those scenarios aren't really outlandish. For a long while in Philadelphia, I thought TO was right as well. But, at some point, being right or wrong is irrelevant, being a team player should take precedent over that. He is a talented player, but I wouldn't want to take the risk of having him on my team. When things are good they are very good, but when they go bad, there will be hell to pay.

I don't think Folkways said that he holds a grudge against the Cowboys, just that they aren't his team. And, he didn't bash them at all. They aren't my team, they aren't a rival of my team, and I don't love them or hate them.

posted by bperk at 01:40 PM on October 16

I believe that the O-Line should be the center of all the media hype. They should be docked money for the beating that Romo and Barber took against the Cardinals. Anyway, I believe that they should try to establish the run game again, using Barber and Tashard Choice.

As for TO, he is what he is. He will always want the ball and never be happy with his "role" in the offense. Pacman was a distraction and he didn't really make the impact that Jones thought he would. He only averaged a measley 5.0 return yards and the pass defense was in the lower half of the league averages. Not really a big loss in my opinon.

I also see where so many people say that "on paper...." That's the great thing about the NFL, on any given Sunday...

Just think how all of this would have played out if they held on to win the game against Arizona. Instead of all of this, they would again be talking about how great they were and what a comeback. Irony at its best.

posted by Mickster at 01:43 PM on October 16

"the fact of the matter is, T.O. hasn't done or said anything that wasn't actually true"

I think Jeff Garcia would like to dispute that.... oh you meant in Dallas. Nevermind.

posted by apoch at 02:24 PM on October 16

Mickster said:

"I also see where so many people say that "on paper...." That's the great thing about the NFL, on any given Sunday..."

I agree with you Mickster. Part of the reason in my mind why people say that "on paper this team should dominate, win this weekend, etc etc" is b/c people are usually referring to skill position players with high profiles. Guys like Romo, T.O., and Barber.

No one says "did you see that offseason guard/longsnapper/center/ punter acquisition? We're unbeatable now!" The reality is, many times these guys make or break a game for you, regardless of whether or not they get much face time.

posted by brainofdtrain at 02:25 PM on October 16

I don't think Folkways said that he holds a grudge against the Cowboys...

No one ever said that he held a grudge against the Cowboys but when you have someone basically insunating that a teams season is all but over with only 6 games played (I think the sky is falling on the cowpokes), IMHO, that's pretty ludicrous.

Apparently, Folkways feels some way about the 'Boys and entire organization since he admitted that not only is he not a fan of the Dallas Cowboys but also does not like Jerry Jones '....considering all JJ has done to build his little empire in Dallas.' (OK so I do not really like him either)

No one should have to like or be a fan of every sports team but when someone makes negative remarks about a team just because they do not like that team, an actual fan of the team being belittled isn't going to take heed to those remarks. He might as well just said, "Dallas sucks!!"

posted by BornIcon at 02:30 PM on October 16

I think Jeff Garcia would like to dispute that.... oh you meant in Dallas. Nevermind

Ever see the show Playmakers on ESPN before it was taken off the air after just one season? Anyways, it was a great show before it was cancelled but there was one character that kind of reminded me of Jeff Garcia, true or untrue. The character was the Tight End named Guerrwitz that was gay and basically was doing anything and everything possible in order to have his sexual orientation remain a secret. Even to the point of proposing to his beautiful girlfriend (who he was with in order to look straight to his teammates).

Not saying that Jeff Garcia is a gay (not like there's anything wrong with that) but like T.O. said in the Playboy article, "If it looks like a duck..."

posted by BornIcon at 02:40 PM on October 16

BI, you seem to be taking this calling into question of T.O.'s attitude rather personally.

The only reason I bring up the point that just maybe T.O. might cause a stir in the locker room is because, well, he's done it twice already. I could care less if the 'boys went to the Super Bowl or not. I just can't wait to see if T.O. pulls another sideline freak-out. I think it's funny.

As for making a point in my earlier comment about T.O.screeching at the center, if you continued reading, you would have gotten to my point. Just because you don't like what I said, or even disagreed with it, does it make it wrong.

Another thing about Super Bowl winning QB's: Trent Dilfer is one. So is Brett Favre. Same # of SB wins. Dilfer has the better percentage. Shows just how much that stat is worth.

Anyway, I am melting the butter.

posted by THX-1138 at 04:32 PM on October 16

...when you have someone basically insunating that a teams season is all but over with only 6 games played (I think the sky is falling on the cowpokes), IMHO, that's pretty ludicrous.

Where did I go wrong here? If you feel I have insulted your intellect in some way BornIcon I truly apologize for the misunderstanding. The chicken little comment was in reply to, "...If they loose, then the sky is falling." comment posted by Mickster.

Maybe it was my use of the term "cowpokes" if so, the Dallas Morning News newspaper is where I first came across the word on it's sports pages in the early '90's.

Apparently, Folkways feels some way about the 'Boys and entire organization since he admitted that not only is he not a fan of the Dallas Cowboys but also does not like Jerry Jones '....

Well no I don't have anything against the "entire organization", in fact I have the utmost respect for the team's past success as well as most of the guys that have and are playing for the Cowboy's. I wish them no i'll will, they just arn't my team is all. My dislike is of Jerry Jones has nothing to do with football or the team. It stems from past business dealings in Arkansas that have nothing to do with this conversation.

posted by Folkways at 04:57 PM on October 16

"Not really since I have bashed my 'Boys on countless occasions for some of the moves they've made (i.e. trading for Adam Jones). I'm not saying that you shouldn't make comments about anyone or anything but when you admit that you're not a fan of a team and then continually bash them, then the rest of what you have to say falls on deaf ears."

Really? This from someone who continually defends TO, who could be the worst teammate in the world of sports, much less the NFL? And then you defend TO by insinuating that Jeff Garcia is gay? Maybe we should all ignore you.

That whole team is a bunch of a drama queens from Jerry facelift Jones to Yoko Romo to the queen bee herself (as Parcells would say) TO. America's team? What undeserved arrogance.

Plus they haven't one a playoff game in 12 years. Even my Jets have won one in this millenium.

posted by cjets at 05:58 PM on October 16

BI, you seem to be taking this calling into question of T.O.'s attitude rather personally

Not at all. It's just when someone that's a self-admitted non-fan of a team steps in with a negative comment and that's all they have to add, how can you take that seriously?

My dislike is of Jerry Jones has nothing to do with football or the team. It stems from past business dealings in Arkansas that have nothing to do with this conversation

I apologize. My intentions wasn't to stir up some drama.

And then you defend TO by insinuating that Jeff Garcia is gay? Maybe we should all ignore you

By all means, no one is asking you to listen to what I have to say. You choose to read my comments.

As far as you saying that I'm defending T.O., I'm not defending him at all, I'm simply stating facts. The reason he was seen screaming at the Center was because the Center missed his assignment, he missed his block, and that's what caused Romo to get taken down and breaking his finger.

With Garcia, I personally always thought that with the way that Gracia speaks with that little lisp, that he was gay. I didn't need T.O. to tell me whether he was or wasn't, that's just always been my opinion. Now, just because I assumed him to be homosexual does not diminish the fact that Garcia is one hell of a QB.

I have a family member that gay and he also said that he thought that Garcia was gay and just hiding that and thinking back, it reminded me of that episode of Playmakers. Plus, that was one funny quote that T.O. made concerning Garcia.

Plus they haven't one a playoff game in 12 years. Even my Jets have won one in this millenium

And? Your point being is....? I also like the Jets since they're in a different conference but just because my Cowboys haven't won a playoff game or Super Bowl since I was in high school is not going to change the fact that they're still my team and win or lose, I'll remain rooting for them.

posted by BornIcon at 08:11 AM on October 17

I seem to be using up all my popcorn on this thread.

Who knew?

posted by THX-1138 at 10:59 AM on October 17

I'm also nearing the end of my popcorn...

BI, to hang on to the notion that Brad Johnson was a Super Bowl winning back in 2003, therefore he's totally ready to lead the Cowboys, is to ignore reality.

1) Tampa had the top ranked defense that year, the Cowboys do not.

2)Johnson is now 40, and while he is still a decent backup, he's not a "Super Bowl" caliber QB.

posted by dviking at 11:55 AM on October 17

"Plus, that was one funny quote that T.O. made concerning Garcia."

No, it was a scumbag move by a scumbag player, your cousin's thoughts notwithstanding. For a Wide Receiver to call out his QB by implying that he's gay is just fucking lame. Lame as can be. Unforgiveable.

"And? Your point being is....?"

I just like saying that the Cowboys haven't won* (spelled it right this time) a playoff game in 12 years.

*I miss multiple previews!

posted by cjets at 01:03 PM on October 17

BI said:

"I'm not defending him at all, I'm simply stating facts."

That's kind of weak BI. Why are you simply stating facts, except to see him not be wrongfully accused in this case, or to imply that we don't know or care about "facts"? I don't think you're a bad person to defend him in this situation; everyone is entitled to their opinion. That said, your statement above is just rhetoric.

posted by brainofdtrain at 02:04 PM on October 17

With Garcia, I personally always thought that with the way that Gracia speaks with that little lisp, that he was gay.

Wow. Just, wow. That statement is startling in both its simplicity, and its stupidity. You have revealed more of yourself in public than is generally considered fashionable, and you may want to refrain from posting until the multiple preview function is restored.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 08:15 PM on October 17

TBH, I've been trying to figure out the best way to respond to that. Thank you for doing it better than I could.

posted by apoch at 09:16 PM on October 17

And to think that I thought BI's insistence that Brad Johnson was good to go because he is a "Super Bowl winning QB" was misguided....seems he might need to rethink a few more of his opinions.

posted by dviking at 11:30 PM on October 17

Does anyone else's popcorn taste bad? Mine certainly seems to have been fouled.

posted by THX-1138 at 04:32 PM on October 18

In a weird twist of fate, THX, the answer to your popcorn inquiry may lie here.

www.sportsfilter.com

posted by BoKnows at 04:44 PM on October 18

Odd, I thought that BornIcon would have been back to this thread by now to defend his opinions.

Maybe that complete meltdown by the Cowboys has him rethinking the whole deal.

As to the popcorn here's your answer

posted by dviking at 12:56 AM on October 20

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