Martz dismissed by the Rams: After weeks of anticipation, the Rams finally announced the end of Martz's tenure in St. Louis.
posted by mcstan13 to football at 10:10 AM - 41 comments
As a loyal St. Louis Rams fan, I have two opinions on this. As far as losing him as head coach. I say good riddance. He was a terrible head coach. He made poor decisions and was a terrible leader. He was confrontational with the front office, he was rough with the media and his players and the fans did not like him. A new head coach is definitely in order. As far as losing his offensive prowess, the Rams are certainly going to miss that. He was an offensive genius and some other team is going to get the benefit of that. However, overall it was a good decision and I am very interested to see what happens with the coaching staff in the coming weeks.
posted by mcstan13 at 10:14 AM on January 02
The Rams have the weapons on offense, they should get a defensive minded coach who can run the defense because the Rams have the playmakers to get it done on offense no matter who is there coach (although there may be a drop in production, I don't know).
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 10:22 AM on January 02
I too am a Rams fan. I think he was a great clipboard coach but a terrible manager on the field. I'm glad he's gone. I hope they pick one of the top defensive coordinators for the head coach job. Or, hey Lovie, wanna come back?!
posted by STLCardinalfan at 10:26 AM on January 02
FINALLY!! That puts an end to several wasted years. Hopefully the Rams put some thought into the decision of who to hire and bring in an actual head coach. Martz should have never been allowed to run a team. Hey, Dick Vermiel just retired for about the 10th time. Maybe he......ah, never mind.
posted by dyams at 11:07 AM on January 02
I'm personally happy he's gone. I've been a rams fan since 1998. I'm only fifteen. It was a big mistake putting Martz as a head coach. They should have left him as only an offensive cooridinator. He could've kept his amazing offensive mind to the offense in stead of the whole team, where the defense can't tackle and the o-line can't hold up. I hope they redo the Defense and Offensive line. We need some fresh blood on the offensive line instead of looking for retired, battered up Old offensive linemen. The playmakers are there, but can't come through when they want because in order to score you must first have protection. They need to pick defensive players very strictly because we need some more talent on the defense. Well, I think this makes a good first step towards a great improvement of a team. This team might never be as great as it used to be for a very long time. Let's just sit back and hope for our amazing rams to come back to life.
posted by D-train at 11:24 AM on January 02
MANY OF YOU MUST REALIZE THAT THE COACH IS AS GOOD AS THE TEAM,QB AS GOOD AS THE WR AND LINE PROTECTION. ORGANIZATION AS GOOD AS THE DEDICATION IT PUTS INTO WINNING. ALL NFL TEAMS ARE PROS! THE HEART YOU PUT INTO PLAYING IN COLLEGE LEAVES MANY PLAYERS WHEN THEY GET PAID. ANY PLAYER THAT DOES NOT LEAVE HIS HEART ON THE FIELD EVERY GAME SHOULD NOT TAKE HOME HIS CHECK! ELITE PLAYERS ARE THE REASONS WHY WE WATCH.DEACON JONES,DICK BUTKIS,RONNIE LOTT,RAY LEWIS, DEION SANDERS AND OTHERS MADE YOU SCARED TO PLAY! WHY? THE DEDICATION TO THE GAME WITH THE SKILL THEY BROUGHT.LOTT HAD A PIECE OF HIS FINGER REMOVED SO HE COULD PLAY SOONER!!! MARTZ HAS A SYSTEM THAT WORKS WITH ANY TEAM IF THEY USE THE SAME DEDICATION. THE COLTS HAVE DONE NOTHING DIFFERENT IN THE PAST SIX YEARS ON OFF. THEY PREPARE DIFFERENTLY ON DEFENSE. NOW THEY CAN SCORE 30 AND KEEP YOU FROM DOING THE SAME. ALL OPINIONS TO THE SIDE. I AM GLAD THE MAN IS ALIVE! HE NEEDS TO BE WORKING LIKE OTHERS. DO NOT BEG FOR M. LEWIS OR ANY OTHER HEAD COACH TO RETURN. AS A FAN YOU COMMAND THAT THE NEXT MAN THAT COMES IN GIVES YOU THE SAME DEDICATION YOU WANT TO SEE.
posted by AASR-AF&AM at 12:06 PM on January 02
AASR, please stop shouting. We can hear you just fine without capslock on. Are you saying that the Rams weren't putting forth an effort, and that's why Martz was fired?
posted by chicobangs at 12:22 PM on January 02
MANY OF YOU MUST REALIZE THAT THE COACH IS AS GOOD AS THE TEAM... Disagree. Martz was not as good as his team. Stupid play calling, poor time management, overuse of his red flag and under-utilization of Marshall Faulk, just to name some, were not the fault of the team. Without Martz they were probably 8-8 or 9-7 this year. Maybe better if Bulger hadn't gone down.
posted by STLCardinalfan at 12:26 PM on January 02
This Rams fan bids farewell to "The biggest SCHMO on turf"! Hoping to see Mike Tice in town for at least an interview. Yeah, he's got some baggage, but the organization seems, at times, to be owned by Samsonite, from "the Queen bee" on down. Don't wait too long on this one. You've had PLENTY of time to get a short list together. Hmmm...I wonder if Rich Brooks isn't sitting by the phone...
posted by Thumper at 12:56 PM on January 02
I USE THE CAPS BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE TYPING! NO HARM! THE COACH IS AS GOOD AS THE TEAM MEANS THIS. THE COWBOYS LET JIMMIE JOHNSON GO AND BARRY SWITZER CAME IN TO A SUPER BOWL TEAM. HE SAID HIMSELF THAT HE JUST RODE ALONG BECAUSE THE JJ SYSTEM WAS ALREADY IN PLACE. HTEY REPEATED AS CHAMPS. BS CHANGED TO HIS WAY AND THEY WENT DOWN HILL. TEAM WINS THE QB AND COACH ARE THE BEST THINGS SINCE SLICED BREAD. TEAM LOSES BECAUSE B. FAVRE THROWS INTS. LIKE RYAN LEAF THEY FIRE THE COACH AND FAVRE GOES HOME SECOND TO LOMBARDI A HERO. SPORTS HAS A POLITICAL SIDE THAT MANY DO NOT SEE PAST THE SCREAMING AT THE GAME.P. MANNING CALLS THE BEST AUDIBLES IN THE GAME TODAY SECOND TO WARREN MOON IN HIS DAY.T. DUNGY IS A DEF. MASTER!! THE AUDIBLE IS NOT THE PLAY THE COACH CALLED!! THE QB IS THE TRUE LEADER ON THE FIELD. HIS LINE PROTECTS HIM, THE WRs GET OPEN 6 ON THE BOARD.JOE GIBBS PUT HIS JOB UP IF DOUG WILLIAMS COULD NOT WIN THE SB. MANY COACHES SAID THAT DW WAS ONE OF THE MOST INTELLIGENT QBs THEY EVER KNEW. ANY TRUE SPORTS JUNKIE WILL TELL YOU THAT THE SO CALLED BLACK QB IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. OWNERSHIP WANTS HIM TO RUN AND CATCH AND BE WATCHED IN HIS PRIVATE LIFE IF HE IS A STAR. R. CUNNINGHAM,V. EVANS WERE THE TWO MAIN RUNNING QBs OUT THERE! BEFORE S. YOUNG!!! CHECK OUT HOW MANY QBs ARE DISCOURAGED FROM BEING THE GEN. AND TURNED INTO THE WR. IN HS AND COLL. I LOVE THE GAME WHEN IT IS HONEST AND IT IS ABOUT MONEY NOW. FACT, CULLPEPPER AT COLLEGE WAS A SLINGSHOT. TAKE AWAY HIS ABILITY AND HE GETS REPLACED.NO WRs, HALF HEARTED LINE HELP, HE GETS BROKEN UP.McNABB HAD WRs AT SYRACUSE. HE WAS BOOED SEVERELY AT THE DRAFT AND PHI. GOT BY WITH THE DEF. AND 12 PTs. PER FROM THE OFF. PHI HAD ANY TYPE OF PROTECTION FOR DM. THEY WOULD RUN THE NFC. HOW CAN YOU HAVE THE ANSW. TO THE TEST AND WHEN THE TEST COMES YOU FAIL? 4TH QT. AND YOU ARE TIRED IN THE SB? NEXT SEASON YOU HAVE A SPORTS HERNIA BUSTED RIB AND CHEST THAT NEEDS REPAIR BUT YOU REFUSE TO PUT ANOTHER PRO IN THE GAME LIKE DETMER. WHAT DOES THAT TELL DETMER? WHAT IS DM SAYING WHEN HE WONT COME OUT? DIDNT FIRE PHI. COACH FOR THIS SEASON. ALL THE BLAME IN TOs LAP. DM LOST HIS HEART WHEN HE GOT HURT! TO SAID BRET WOULD BE BETTER! BRET DOESNT GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT HE FEELS LIKE! LETS PLAY AND WE WILL WIN.McNAIR IS THE SAME WAY!NO WRs SO HIS ARM IS OF NO USE. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN McNAIR AND LEFTWITCH? WRs!!!
posted by AASR-AF&AM at 01:15 PM on January 02
Hey, Dick Vermiel just retired for about the 10th time. Maybe he......ah, never mind. Never mind is right. I don't wish that on anyone. He must have gotten a little old. Good man, sub par coach.
posted by kcfan4life at 01:17 PM on January 02
hey the rams coulr get steve Mariucci but then again maybe not
posted by freak at 01:28 PM on January 02
I'm not sure Mariucci would be a bad pickup for anyone. He was in a very bad situation. Not his fault.
posted by kcfan4life at 01:29 PM on January 02
true he could fit in the with the rams
posted by freak at 01:31 PM on January 02
AASR-AF&AM Your use of allcaps in all your posts is extremely disrespectful to all the members who came before you. If your only excuse is I USE THE CAPS BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE TYPING! then I suspect your ability to carry on adult conversation is lacking. chicobangs asked you nicely to not shout and your response is continued disrespect. Your excuse is pathetic and unacceptable. If you joined to make a positive contribution, great , if you want to continue to act like a child just go away.
posted by skydivedad at 01:34 PM on January 02
Why does it bother people so much that, caps are used, bold gets used... Who cares if someone writes with capslock on or puts in bold words? Does this distract you that much that you are unable read what the person has written? chicobangs asked you nicely to not shout and your response is continued disrespect. Take your nose out of his ass and have some thoughts of your own. I have read many of chicobags posts and he seems fairly capible of defending himself.
posted by grabofsky74 at 01:41 PM on January 02
You guy's are WAY to P.C. for me. NO DISRESPECT INTENDED.
posted by volfire at 01:43 PM on January 02
no kiddin. get outside and find a life
posted by callawayg0lf at 01:53 PM on January 02
(Unlike a lot of people who comment here, I will only speak for myself. But all-caps is shouting, and this isn't an airplane tarmac or a war zone. if you feel like your words alone aren't enough to make your point, and you feel you need to use all caps or personal epithets & attacks or rhetorical firebombs to get your point across, then maybe you should think again about what it is you're really trying to say before you barf it out incoherently all over the place. Now, can we stay on topic?) I agree that Martz kind of underfperformed, but this is going to be a good offseason for finding a new and proven coach, as long as the Rams act quickly. There are significant holes they'll need to fill (specifically on the Offensive and Defensive lines), and the sooner they set up their front office so they can set up the field personnel, the better off they'll be.
posted by chicobangs at 01:58 PM on January 02
i seemed to have caused a stir in another man speaking for someone else who can speak english and i would guess spanish from the handle. do you need a hug or are you holding chicobags tight enough? if you can not function because of the size of the letters then you go away! GET YOUR TECHNICAL ASS A LIFE AND RESPOND TO THE ISSUES NOT HOW THE FUCK I WRITE THEM!!!!!!!! that was yelling and checking not disrespect! chico there is no problem with us. i can honor what you spoke of
posted by AASR-AF&AM at 02:06 PM on January 02
i would guess spanish from the handle If you want to know more about the people on SoFi then just click on their names and find out a little something about them. Actually I would recommend checking out chicobangs interview. Very interesting.
posted by grabofsky74 at 02:20 PM on January 02
Seeing how my vicious attack by the skydive dad did not sit well with me. I ask you sir how could you live in Michigan with the Tigers,and Lions oh my! as home sports teams and you are probably the shirt off in sub zero weather Bear fan where i live in Chicago and tell me about disrespect.You choose to cheer for the teams you wish. How the F#$% can I not type like I wish without a 50/50 chance of living thrill seeker f@#$%^& with me!!! But I respect and love that about this country.If I choose to write in all caps and you and your following have tender ears then listen to this F#$% Y$%!!! Woosa! I feel better now. thanks grabofsky for the shirt grab in his collar.
posted by AASR-AF&AM at 02:31 PM on January 02
Rams fans want to trade a Superbowl winning coach, for the other kind? How about Marty S., it amazes me that Martz and Tice are out of a job, and Marty is still here. Did anyone notice that Tuna let Terry Glenn play after he was arrested Friday for drunkeness, hanging it out behind a fast food store in Dallas. YOu think you've got troubles. The Rams won last night, the team that Mike built.
posted by Two Buck Chuck at 02:34 PM on January 02
Martz and Tice will get coordinator jobs somewhere, and both will be head coaches again in the NFL. I get the feeling there was some extra friction between Martz and the Rams higher-ups. That happens sometimes. Used-to-bes don't count anymore, they just lay on the floor till you sweep them away. I don't think anyone is looking at either of those two as unemployable now. It was just time for a change, as it sometimes is.
posted by chicobangs at 02:45 PM on January 02
True indeed! why they figured Warren could do the same in AZ was beyond me. Different styles.
posted by AASR-AF&AM at 02:48 PM on January 02
Rams fans want to trade a Superbowl winning coach, He won the Super Bowl as an offensive coordinator where I have no problem with his talents. However, as a head coach he has demonstrated, time after time, he's not up to the challenge.
posted by STLCardinalfan at 02:49 PM on January 02
Warren You mean Warner? I think he's a great fit in Arizona. Two time MVP QB hooking up with 2 pro-bowler receivers. Ain't too shabby. All that's missing is a running attack to take the pressure off having to throw the ball all day making it easy for any defensive unit to know what's coming.
posted by STLCardinalfan at 02:58 PM on January 02
Not to jump in off the subject, but the I understand the reason why people don't like the CAPSLOCK, not because it is shouting but because I think it is harder to read a long post that is in CAPS rather than in lower case. Sorry for the digress. Martz On...
posted by mcstan13 at 03:00 PM on January 02
If the head coaches did as Jimmy Johnson did i guarantee you many things would change. If you only played for one down he needed you to be exxxxxceptional on that down! Da' Bears were being skinned by the cowboys one year and a notable back up was in the game in relief of E. Smith. Chris Zorich hit him at the four yard line and he fumbled for a Bears TD.Still losing by 124 million J.Johnson cut him at the end of the game.Could have been up by five and that cost them the game when ES needed rest.Pats were like that when they won!No big eyes and little you's.Do your part.
posted by AASR-AF&AM at 03:01 PM on January 02
Did I say Warren?Please do not thrash me for my transgressions. I meant Warner.Az can compete with a little help.
posted by AASR-AF&AM at 03:05 PM on January 02
Please do not thrash me for my transgressions. No thrashing here. By the way, mcstan13 is right. It's much harder to read caps, at least for me anyway.
posted by STLCardinalfan at 03:19 PM on January 02
There are a lot of coaches out there who cannot take that step "backwards" and do what they do best - like coordinating offenses. Martz did that extremely well. Another coach who cannot take that step "backwards" is Norv Turner. Martz will surface somewhere in the NFL - or maybe at a faltering program at the college level - and he will win a few more big games. Hopefully he will have learned a valuable lesson as to where he can most benefit a football organization. In the final tally, I gotta admit, Martz did give us some pretty exciting offensive displays. Thanks for the memories, Coach.
posted by babooze808 at 03:20 PM on January 02
By all means type in caps, but that doesn't mean anyone (including me) is going to read it.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 03:28 PM on January 02
Thanks for the memories, Coach. Nicely said! I too hope he lands on his feet somewhere. I was simply fed up with him as head coach of my team and I'm glad for this change.
posted by STLCardinalfan at 03:30 PM on January 02
sherman needs ajob....ha,ha.
posted by mkb33174 at 07:17 PM on January 02
Haslett and Capers got fired too.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 07:39 PM on January 02
Martz is a good man, however, his time and game management skills are sorely lacking. here's hoping he lands on his feet and his health issues clear up
posted by mjkredliner at 11:52 PM on January 02
ATTENTION FOOTBALL FANS....... Log onto to NFL.com and post your resume for head coaching jobs! No experience required. You must have watched football for 3 years, able to play tic-tac-toe (proper use of X's and O's) and have your high school diploma or GED. Salary is nego. Benefits, and FREE Super Bowl tickets (must contact Mike Tice).
posted by CountDracula58 at 12:27 AM on January 03
"able to play tic-tac-toe (proper use of X's and O's)...FREE Super Bowl tickets (must contact Mike Tice)." lol...that's too funny!!!
posted by babooze808 at 01:13 AM on January 03
Martz will get a head coaching job this year. He has a Super Bowl on his resume and can develop a QB. How about Martz as the Raiders head coach?
posted by pastepotpete at 03:52 PM on January 03
Like was just said on "Around The Horn": Martz did less with more talent than any other coach.
posted by dyams at 05:24 PM on January 03
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