giveuptheghost: Hal, please give definition of word in bold type
It's not just ri-
dic-ulous... it's re-COCK-ulous! Meaning very ridiculous... :) Adam Carolla said that often on Loveline, as I understand it.
jmurphyin: To Hal Incandenza; Your question about it being a complete 9 inning game should be answered no. The Angels only pitched 8 innings, The Dodgers pitched 9. Who's to say if the Dodger's batted in the ninth that they would not have gotten a hit?
But then by that logic, what if every other 9-inning no-hit game went to extra innings? Who's to say the pitcher throwing a 9-inning no-hitter could sustain it in extra innings... because that
has happened? My point is that this game
was a complete game; no cancellation due to weather/natural events, a full 9 inning game was played, and one side failed to get a hit. Those who made the "at least 9 innings" rule should have considered the possibility of pitching the full 8 innings required of a losing team. That they didn't shouldn't penalize Weaver et al. They crafted that rule to avoid cheapie no-hitters such as 5 or 6 inning weather-shortened games; but this wasn't a
shortened game, was it? This was, again, a fully played 9 inning game. In effect, the Angels "discovered" a problem with the current scoring rule, because clearly those who envisioned it hadn't considered that you could pitch a no-hitter as the visiting team and lose. That's why I say not calling it a no-hitter is unfair; it violates the spirit of the rule.
I suffered through the last one as young Red Sox fan. I'd like to thank both teams for dredging up some awful memories.
I'm with hal on this one. The game was a fully completed game and had Jered Weaver pitched eight innings it should have been considered a no-hitter.
I'm with Hal and YYM on this one as well. Full game + no hits = no hitter.
OK. Call it a no hitter if you want. But Weaver didn't pitch past the 6th, so if the comfort of saying I was part of a no hitter is needed, take it. It was an error by the pitcher that allowed the score. I would be more focused on the team loosing the ball game than saying the pitching was perfect.
It's not just ri-dic-ulous... it's re-COCK-ulous! Meaning very ridiculous... :) Adam Carolla said that often on Loveline, as I understand it. Thanks Hal :) Made my day.
At least my son (the Angel fan) can say to his friend (the Dodger fan) -- my team no-hit your team!
I have always wondered why if a run scores because of a error by the pitcher, the run is an unearned run. Since the pitcher was the one who made the error, shouldn't the run be the pitcher's fault and thus be an earned run?
Watching today's Dodgers Angels game. Dodgers announcer Vin Scully said he spoke to Angels Manager Mike Scioscia beforehand. Told Scioscia it was 18 years ago today he'd caught a no hitter thrown by Fernando Valenzuela. (A 6-0 victory over St. Louis.) Scioscia replied "At least we won that game." Hey. I was at that game. On topic: It does seem unfair that a home team can be credited with a no-hitter and lose but a visiting team can not. Here's some info from Wikipedia on it: Unlike a perfect game, in which no batters reach base, in regular no-hitters batters can reach base in other ways, such as a walk, an error, or a hit batsman. Thus it is possible to lose a no-hitter. On April 23, 1964, Ken Johnson of the Houston Colt .45s became the only pitcher to lose a complete game no-hitter in nine innings when he was beaten 1-0 by Cincinnati. The winning run was scored by Pete Rose in the top of the ninth inning via an error, groundout, and another error.[8] In 1967, Steve Barber and Stu Miller of the Baltimore Orioles pitched a combined no-hitter, but lost 2-1 to the Detroit Tigers.[9] Because the home team does not bat in the ninth inning when it is already leading, a visiting pitcher (or pitchers) may complete a full game without allowing a hit but not be credited with an official no-hitter because they pitched only 8 innings. This happened most recently on June 28, 2008, when Jered Weaver and Jos Arredondo of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim threw 8 no-hit innings against the Los Angeles Dodgers at Dodger Stadium, but lost the game 1-0 and are not credited with a no-hitter. This is the first near no-hitter of this kind in which more than one pitcher was involved. Previously, Silver King (1890), Andy Hawkins (1990), and Matt Young (1992) pitched complete games without allowing a hit, but pitched only 8 innings as the losing pitcher from the visiting team, and thus are not credited with a no-hitter. Young's feat was accomplished on Opening Day.[10][11]
I see both points, and baseball has always been rigid so I agree with the ruling. I don't think it's fair because its not the pitchers fault that his team sucks. But Weaver pitched a great 6 innings lost got talked about so that's how it goes. Plus he can only blame himself field the ball and the run doesn't score.
