Win or lose, Guillen stays the same: "He's a player's manager, and you have to love playing for him."
posted by zippinglou to baseball at 02:29 PM - 14 comments
How long before this South Side love affair goes awry? Guillen gets way too much press for a manager. I for one, look forward to the Tribune headline after Guillen leaves a starter in too long "Player's Manager Leaves Player Playing too long." Eventually all "Player's Managers" become "Poor Strategists" - it's all just so much building up and tearing down.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 03:16 PM on April 28
I'm with you, Weedy. Everything's great when you're winning. As soon as the losing starts, Guillen won't be the "great guy" he is now. With the temperment he's shown in the past, when things do start going downhill, he may alienate some of those who are so in love with him.
posted by dyams at 03:31 PM on April 28
He got a ring. End of Story no matter what he does or where he goes he's a champion.
posted by Robb Dubbs at 04:07 PM on April 28
and he won with the WHITE SOX!!!
How does being a player's manager equate to "poor strategy"? Bobby cox is cinsidered a "genius" but for all of their times in the playoff (15 years I think) they have been to the WS ,what TWICE? and won ONCE. Ozzie gets to the WS in less than 3 years, wins it on the first shot.. and people as asking for sugar for their Hater-Aid.
posted by blakrain at 05:54 PM on April 28
He's in the American League..what's to manage?
posted by stickman at 06:52 PM on April 28
Ozzie himself said that "he would rather be lucky than good". Right now he's in the right place at the right time. The test will come over a number of years, including this one! He has everything he needs to win again. We'll see how his luck holds out.
posted by INOALOSER at 07:35 PM on April 28
He's in the American League..what's to manage? that got a hearty chuckle out of me.
posted by ninjavshippo at 08:56 PM on April 28
He might be back in the World Series this year too.
posted by doggstarr at 09:18 PM on April 28
I never liked him personally and we all know he was always cocky but a ring is a ring.It's all about team chemistry and he deserves a good grade.I live not far from the park and i'm glad to say i've stuck to my guns and have not been to that park in over 7 years.But good for him and the team.... but they don't get my money anymore...
posted by email@example.com at 09:26 PM on April 28
I don't like Ozzie, but he's surprised me with how well he's able to work with pitchers (of course, with the arms he's been given, it's an easier task). Ozzie's problem is that he was a smallball player (Bill James proclaimed that he was the guy whose talents never ever came out in the stats, and that it always puzzled him), so he overmanages the offense, obsessed with manufacturing runs, even though their team's strengths last year were getting people on base and getting some big hits.
posted by uglatto at 09:42 PM on April 28
Ozzie has a personality, something which in sports is all too rare. He gives good quote, he speaks his mind, what's the harm? Would you rather listen to Ozzie, or to Derek "We gave it all we had today and things went our way, now we just have to go out tomorrow and do it againzzzzzzzzz..." Jeter?
posted by Toxteth O'Grady at 12:09 PM on April 29
Eventually all "Player's Managers" become "Poor Strategists" Example? He's in the American League..what's to manage? Good one. Though Sparky Anderson himself has said repeatedly that good managing -- in either league -- is all about writing the names of good players on the lineup card.
posted by BullpenPro at 11:11 AM on May 01
Sounds to me like this thread is full of cub fans. The White Sox of last year (and this year so far) have a group of players who play the game fundamentally sound. Ozzie gets the best out of his players, because he's not afraid to bench a player who isn't hustling. What about Dusty on the north side huh?? He's had the players, but his managing is suspect. Ozzie will be manager of the year again. GO SOX!!!!!
posted by Bronkonut at 09:39 PM on May 02
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