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February 13, 2008
Jason Kidd traded to the Mavs.: ESPN reports that discussions are ongoing. But Yahoo is reporting its a done deal. The official word is that the teams agree on the deal "in principle" pending league approval.
posted by lilnemo to basketball at 02:51 PM - 32 comments
Why the two separate trades, to make it fit? Quite a haul for New Jersey. Between San Antonio, LA, Dallas and Phoenix, I can't tell if the finals winner will definitely come from the West or if they'll burn themselves out. The team that makes it to the Finals will have played an amazingly tough run.
posted by yerfatma at 03:11 PM on February 13, 2008
The Mavs had to do this, even if only for the optics of the situation.
posted by chicobangs at 03:23 PM on February 13, 2008
Stupid Warriors should have picked up Kidd instead of Wobbly Webber. Kidd would have been a much better fit.
posted by irunfromclones at 03:49 PM on February 13, 2008
This is the worst trade in the history of basketball the mav's are idiots to give that much up for Jason Kidd?? Jason has maybe a year or two left and plays no where close to how he did in his prime. Even if Jason was in his PRIME now he would not be worth what the Mav's gave up....good lord I rate this trade there with the Herschall Walker trade only this time the Texas team got the worst end of the deal.. I would not have given even Devin Harris alone for Kidd! Much less this kind of package! Dumb, Dumb DUMB!!!
posted by T.C. at 05:09 PM on February 13, 2008
Could someone clarify the Stackhouse situation for me? It is quite confusing.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 05:11 PM on February 13, 2008
2008: Nets deal Jason Kidd for a young star (Harris), two nice young players (Ager and Diop), draft picks and financial flexibility 2009: Nets deal Vince Carter in a similar deal for 65 cents on the dollar, but get a few young prospects 2010: Nets deal Richard Jefferson at the trading deadline 2010: Nets move to Brooklyn 2010 (summer): Nets sign LeBron James to the Big Apple via free agency; the kids are now veterans; challenge for the title in 1-2 seasons There's your game plan right now...
posted by smithers at 05:13 PM on February 13, 2008
Could someone clarify the Stackhouse situation for me? It is quite confusing. Stackhouse was included in this trade to make the numbers work. While it is entirely possible that the Nets do like his skill-set, the incumbent cadre of wingmen (Jefferson, Carter, Nachbar, and now George and Ager) make him expendable. Beyond that, its rather obvious that Stack has enjoyed his time with the Mavs and would prefer to try and get back to the Finals with them than languish on the Nets bench. Under the CBA, if the Nets buy Stack out he can only re-sign with the Mavs 1 month after the buyout (the Gary Payton rule), though he could sign on with any other team ASAP for the remainder of the season. I'm not sure of the cap implications, but I believe this effectively takes Stack off of the Net's cap next season (while still counting towards this season). Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
posted by lilnemo at 06:39 PM on February 13, 2008
This is the worst trade in the history of basketball the mav's are idiots to give that much up for Jason Kidd?? Um, did you miss the box insert that reads:
Jason Kidd, despite being a month away from turning 35, is still producing at a high level. Only two others, Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson, have met his averages over the course of a season, and they did so in their early- and mid-20s.Beyond that, take a look at what the Mavs have "really" given up here:
- Devin Harris - a tough loss but a necessary one for a HOFer
- Jerry Stackhouse - Really just taking a 1 month All Star break, no?
- DeSagana Diop - handy role player, but unnecessary when you're already overpaying Dampier
- Devean George - bench fodder
- Maurice Ager - bench fodder
- $3 Million - is this really an issue
- 2 First round picks - which likely would have been dealt on draft day as it is
posted by lilnemo at 06:52 PM on February 13, 2008
According to ESPN's website, Devean George has an option in his contract to block any trade and is exercising it. Apparently resigning as a free agent with his old team for a one year deal gives him this right.
posted by Newbie Walker at 08:30 PM on February 13, 2008
Jason Kidd may be meeting his career averages, but his turnovers have drastically increased, and as a result his PER has collapsed. Yes, Kidd can still play, but to compare him favorably with his past playing level is laughable. On the other hand, this really is a trade for Harris and 2 first round picks, which I would take in a heartbeat. Kidd is not happy in NJ, and has got to be causing trouble in the locker room. He should bring clutch play, leadership, and, most importantly, playoff experience to the Mavs.
posted by Goyoucolts at 10:15 PM on February 13, 2008
The Mavs aren't lacking in playoff experience, they are lacking in good playoff experiences and Kidd hasn't done anything their core group hasn't done already. The Mavs traded for Kidd for the same reason the Suns traded for Shaq, they think they have a better chance to win a title with him than without. If this trade goes through, only time will tell if it'll help them rise to the top of a top heavy West. Of course, a beast from the least could still topple the best of the west. I can't wait for the playoffs.
posted by apoch at 10:58 PM on February 13, 2008
Maybe Mavs starting 5: Jason Kidd Jason Terry Josh Howard Dirk Nowitzki Erick Dampier And, they've still got Juwana man and Eddie Jones coming off the bench, with the near guarantee of Stackhouse coming back... This is a great team.
posted by everett at 12:36 AM on February 14, 2008
Oh wait... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244818&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
posted by everett at 12:39 AM on February 14, 2008
Thanks nemo. All this trading worries me as it seems the Piston's chances get a little slimmer with each one. Although it is shaping up to be a very, very interesting playoffs.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 06:03 AM on February 14, 2008
to compare him favorably with his past playing level is laughable Really? You don't think some of the drop-off is that he's playing on a shitty team where he has to cover a lot of offense?
posted by yerfatma at 07:15 AM on February 14, 2008
Boy, sounds like the Nets got the best part of this deal. Jerry Stackhouse, I'm not sure if he has game left in his sneakers. Ahh, I miss the good 'ol day of real roundballers: Julius, Bird, Magic, Moses, Chambers, Kareem, Zeke, Stockton, Majerle, and who was that fella in Chicago?
posted by aMAIZEd Mark at 07:20 AM on February 14, 2008
It ain't a done deal yet. or what everett said
posted by scully at 08:39 AM on February 14, 2008
Julius, Bird, Magic, Moses, Chambers, Kareem, Zeke, Stockton, Majerle, and who was that fella in Chicago? John Paxson? Steve Kerr? Phil Jackson?
posted by yerfatma at 08:54 AM on February 14, 2008
George follows up his "no-trade" clause call with a clutch 0-11 performance last night. Way to make 'em love ya more, Devean!
posted by dyams at 09:22 AM on February 14, 2008
Julius, Bird, Magic, Moses, Chambers, Kareem, Zeke, Stockton, Majerle, and who was that fella in Chicago? John Paxson? Steve Kerr? Phil Jackson? Scotty Pippen.....Bill Cartwright?
posted by Bozemanite at 11:50 AM on February 14, 2008
Will Perdue!
posted by The_Black_Hand at 12:01 PM on February 14, 2008
Julius, Bird, Magic, Moses, Chambers, Kareem, Zeke, Stockton, Majerle, and who was that fella in Chicago? Chambers & Majerle? Do I sense a Suns fan in the building? Or should Oliver Miller be included as well? Concerning Kidd to the Mavs, I don't think it really will tip the scales one way or another. To me, it's a matter of Dirk stepping up and finishing games. If he can't do that, it won't make any difference who's running the point. Regardless of who the point guard is, at the end of the game Dallas is going to iso for Dirk.
posted by chamo at 12:22 PM on February 14, 2008
I can't believe nobody has mentioned the "thunder from down under". All hail Luc Longley!
posted by blarp at 12:22 PM on February 14, 2008
Nope the trade hasn't happened yet cuz my main man Devean George had a no-trade clause. Way to go Devean a Laker for life. This just makes the Lakers path to the championship that much easier. The Spurs are getting old, they depend too much on Ginobili who is the x-factor. The Suns don't have enough defense and Shaq is old and too slow, tho they will play them tough. The Mavericks are ok and even though I like Dirk, he doesn't have the heart of a champion and the killer instinct yet like Kobe. If the Lakers get to the NBA Finals, the Celtics or Pistons won't seem that daunting of a task after they have gone through the tough and grueling West which is like the AFC of basketball. The Celtics will probably beat them tho, it's been too long for KG and he deserves a title even though I want the Lakers to win. I don't care who win and the playoffs are going to be very exciting.
posted by Scars at 12:32 PM on February 14, 2008
Way to go Devean a Laker for life. Who would have thought that it would take two ex-Lakers to get LA back to Championship calliber ball (sarcasm)? First West lets LA steal Gasol and now George is blocking the Kidd deal...brilliant! I would love to see Jerry and Devean back in the purple and gold...
posted by docshredder at 01:23 PM on February 14, 2008
West lets LA steal Gasol It is somehow fitting that Jerry West would help out his old team. I think he might have taken the lesson from Kevin McHale. Once a Celtic, always a Celtic. Thanks Kev. By the way, if it goes through, I think Dallas is helped immeasurably in the short term, and NJ in the longer term.
posted by Howard_T at 02:16 PM on February 14, 2008
West lets LA steal Gasol... Jerry West had nothing to do with it, he is not the Grizzlies GM. Chris Wallace is the Grizzlies GM. The same man who engineered the Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers for Joe Johnson, Randy Brown, Milt Palacio, and 1st round pick (Casey Jacobsen) trade. The same Wallace that signed Travis Knight to a 7 year/$22M contract. The same Wallace that signed Chris Mills to a 6 year/$26.1M contract. The same Wallace that traded Andrew DeClercq and the pick that became Andre Miller for Vitaly Potapenko. Ad infinitum. Why is everyone surprised? Seriously, the Gasol trade looks bad, but isn't so clear cut. Crittenton looks good, though (like Minnesota) with so much competition it might be tough to judge him. The Grizz have cleared the decks and have the cap space to attract free agents. However, there is the possibility that the owners are looking to run things on the cheap for awhile, if not sell/move the team all together. I don't know if the trade was a Front Office mandate or not, but we can't just judge this trade in a void.
posted by lilnemo at 06:00 PM on February 14, 2008
Ah, Chris Wallace. I miss him not at all. But he knows foreign talent. And college kids. And he has a nice haircut.
posted by yerfatma at 07:00 PM on February 14, 2008
I forgot Chris Mullen, Mo Cheecks, Bernard King, who was the guy that played for Dallas back then? Akeem before he changed his name, James Worthy, oh yeah he had game. John Havlicek, Big Red, then the legend Kurt Rambis....
posted by aMAIZEd Mark at 06:07 AM on February 15, 2008
Now the trade may not occur because of Stackhouse's loose lips.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 06:44 AM on February 15, 2008
Akeem before he changed his name You think the H took something away from his game? Maybe in HORSE.
posted by yerfatma at 09:01 AM on February 15, 2008
Mavs get:
- Jason Kidd
- Malik Allen
Nets get:- Devin Harris
- Jerry Stackhouse
- DeSagana Diop
- Devean George
- Maurice Ager
- $3 Million
- 2 First round picks
Stackhouse is expected to be waived by the Nets in order to resign with the Mavs for the remainder of the season in one months time. In a seperate move the Nets traded Antoine Wright to the Mavs for a Second round pick.