January 23, 2007

Hidden: T.O. on Parcells: "Our play was not indicative of what we could have done. What we should have done. Hopefully, the owner will hire a coach to take the team to the next level.: I'm sure T.O.'s league leading 18 dropped passes had nothing to do with the team not reaching it's potential.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY to football at 03:35 PM - 86 comments

I'm sure the broken hand and multiple surgeries had nothing to do with his ability to catch the ball, too. He still led the Cowboys in receiving.

posted by graymatters at 03:41 PM on January 23

I'm sure the broken hand and multiple surgeries had nothing to do with his ability to catch the ball, too. He still led the Cowboys in receiving. I think something like 9 of those drops came prior to that "broken hand"

posted by bdaddy at 04:01 PM on January 23

Solution: Hire T.O. to be a player coach.

posted by Joey Michaels at 04:05 PM on January 23

Solution: Hire T.O. to be a player coach. I'd pay money to see that. Hell, screw the game; I'd pay money to see the post-game press conferences.

posted by tieguy at 04:15 PM on January 23

Two superbowl wins, another appearance with the pats, and 2 more teams to the playoffs....yea, the cowyboys need an upgrade at head coach. As a lifelong cowboys fan, I was really jacked up about TO signing on last year even with all the baggage he was bringing. I'm now starting to feel the letdown that 49er and eagle fans must have felt.

posted by louisville_slugger at 04:15 PM on January 23

Our play was not indicative of what we could have done. What we should have done. Hopefully, the owner will hire a coach to take the team to the next level What's the problem with saying that? What's he supposed to say, we played the best we possibly could every game and we're just not good enough to win a playoff game? Our teams sucks. You have a 2 game lead on your division with 4 to go and you scramble to make a wild card berth, is that doing what you could have done or should have done? The next level being the Super Bowl, isn't that what nearly every player would hope for with a new coach. He's not going to say, well Parcells got us to the playoffs and that's good enough to me. I hope the next coach takes us back 4 games. No. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see how this is newsworthy. Just another example of the media making a bigger issue with Terrell Owens than is necessary. I'm not a fan of Terrell Owens, but I am a Cowboy fan and I will say that Dallas had so many other issues this year that impacted the team much more than one Terrell Owens. Yes, he was a distraction at times and he certainly dropped too many passes. But he was also injured part of the time and yet he still managed to lead the team in receptions and touchdowns. I hope he heals well in the off season and returns to Dallas next year.

posted by ampto11 at 04:16 PM on January 23

Anyone who can't quite grasp the idea that T.O. blurts out whatever comes into his head every time a microphone is shoved in his face just hasn't been paying attention. He'll never say what's "politically correct," so hopefully we don't need 247 posts on this thread about what a jackass T.O. is. That's pretty much been established. The only thing that has changed, at this point, is that he's a Dallas Cowboy, Parcells isn't. He's also probably guilty of saying what many other people on the team and within the organization are thinking (even though he, as a player, may be one of the reasons the team didn't reach it's potential).

posted by dyams at 04:22 PM on January 23

I think it's more interesting Lovie Smith is being bandied about as Tuna's possible successor.

posted by wfrazerjr at 04:50 PM on January 23

As a lifelong cowboys fan, I was really jacked up about TO signing on last year I remember hearing a rumor that he could be headed to the Dolphins, and I was horrified at the prospect. Thank God you guys are stuck with him. ampto11 and dyams have a good point: this just smacks of lazy sportwriting. Nothing prepared? Lazy? Hungover? Fuck it, let's just toss a microphone in front of T.O. and see what falls out!

posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:52 PM on January 23

a coach can only give winning information and ideas. it's up to the players to take it a become all they can be during practice. Unfortunately for T.O. he doesn't have a Rob at DB like the Colts do, to practice for him and make him better. What a lousy excuse for an increasingly lousy performer and attitude. Dallas needs to drop him.

posted by bavarianmotorworker at 05:20 PM on January 23

This FPP was created to show how a cowardly man takes cheap shots at his boss on the day he retires. T.O. saying Parcells is "like my grandmother" is a low blow for a man who got the Cowboys going in the right direction. Maybe the Cowboys do need a new head coach, and as someone who attended the very first Cowboy game ever played and has been a huge fan ever since, I believe they do. I just don't think it's right to kick a good coach as he walks out the door. I was underutilized in the offense, Owens said. A new coach can be good for the Cowboys. Its not just me. But my teammates know I could have done more. I wasnt used as a No. 1 receiver. If you dont involve a guy, that person is not going to be as productive as he can be. Thats how I felt. Of course, you would recognize this quote if you actually read the article instead of just the FPP, ampto. He wasn't used as the number 1 receiver but he led the team in catches and the league in drops? How is it possible he wasn't the number 1 receiver? Was every other ball thrown to Terry Glenn or Jason Witten uncatchable? I don't think so. And yes, he had a bad finger most of the season, but if you can, go back and look at his drops. Almost every one of them was due to a lack of concentration; not looking the ball into his hands or trying to turn upfield before made the catch. I don't think his finger has anything to do with his lack of focus. Once again, in T.O.'s eyes, it's all about him and someone else must be blamed for him not reaching his potential.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 05:20 PM on January 23

Totally surprised at this outburst, comma, I am. Agreed on the tempest/teapot thing. It would be newsworthy if he said anything that wasn't self-serving. Wake me when that happens.

posted by chicobangs at 05:21 PM on January 23

Why is this idiot still getting attention? He is a pariah of the worst kind. His lowest comment came after he dropped a perfect pass which could have been a TD in the final regular season game. He said he was so frustrated that he had not been thrown the ball all game that he wasn't motivated. What an asshole. Like his fired publicist said, he has 25 million reasons why he should catch the damn ball. That's his job. Nothing more, nothing less. His job is to catch the ball when it is thrown to him, not short arm it when he goes over the middle. Face it, he is just not that good a receiver. It is poetic justice that Jeff Garcia took Owens' former team farther in the playoffs, after beating the 'boys late in the season. This jerk is a narcissistic team chemistry killer. He throws his teammates and coaches under the bus. Like a sixth grader, nothing is ever his fault. Andy Reid got fed up. The 49ers gave him away. Now Parcells gave up. It was really lame to see Jerry Jones with his arm around Owens, while Parcells was coaching. The problem is that he is still getting attention.

posted by quaybon at 05:22 PM on January 23

Oh, there are worse pariahs. He's just selfish. Granted, he's more selfish than many infants (or even R. Clemens), but that's it. Ignore him, he goes away. Simple.

posted by chicobangs at 05:33 PM on January 23

Media attention is like crack cocaine to this guy. If he ain't getting the attention he goes into withdrawls. He'll do anything or say anything to get that attention back on him. And right now he's high as a kite.

posted by ggermanctl at 05:54 PM on January 23

See ya T.O. Good riddance.

posted by Ironhead at 06:06 PM on January 23

terrel owens terrible owings dallas dreams a midnight son coaches run

posted by irunfromclones at 06:38 PM on January 23

T.O. is 33 years old now. In a couple years, he will be nothing but a stain on the road in Cowboy fans memories. Maybe sooner than that........

posted by wdminott at 07:55 PM on January 23

sure TO is a bad guy, according to you clowns, and that would mean a moron like Jeremy Shockey is just "a guy who is full of energy"...figures we know where you all are coming from....and it takes a big headline to announce that Mike Vick got his water bottle confiscated but nary a mention that the results came back negative and he was vindicated, typical of a mental disorder called racisim. but since you all suffer from it you will never recognize it. And by the way...like that commercial where a guy holds up a players jock strap and the voice over says..."you'll never make it in the NFL" so this applies to all you clowns who like to criticise TO you all couldnt catch half the passes he did if you had four hands cause "you'd never make it in the NFL"

posted by lindomotorsports at 08:06 PM on January 23

It's true, T. O. is an idiot who has never gotten the message. If you're going to make a mistake, don't make it twice, let alone three times. Not every QB is Montana, not every team wants T. O. and I damn sure don't want him in KC!

posted by deerhunter at 08:40 PM on January 23

...you all couldnt catch half the passes he did if you had four hands... And I don't believe any of us are on a $25,000,000.00 contract to do our jobs either. You've waited a whole year as a member to come in with this bullshit? Maybe you should just stick to reading. Of course this thread is about racism, what else could it be? Simpelton.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 09:03 PM on January 23

Make that simpleton.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 09:05 PM on January 23

why would anybody listen to what to had to say about anything?

posted by sleber at 09:24 PM on January 23

There's a big difference between being mouthy to the press and getting a bad rep and being the kind of locker room poison TO is. Keyshawn Johnson wrote the book on "Just Give Me The Damn Ball". No, literally, he wrote a book and called it, "Just Give Me The Damn Ball". But everyone who's ever played with Key loved him and he has grown past that crap and become an elder statesman of receivers. Most of TO's old teammates are glad to see his back as he takes his show on down the road. And don't hit me with that "racist" crap. Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison are universally admired as atheletes of astounding ablility and unparallelled class, and both of them are, last time I looked to be sure, just as black as TO. It's not a matter of race, it's a matter of class (or lack thereof).

posted by gradioc at 09:24 PM on January 23

Aw, for chrissake, at least know how to spell r-a-c-i-s-m. It must be that. It could not be about maturity. Of course, most could not make it in the NFL. That is not nearly the point. If he makes all that cash, he better damn well back it up and not make lame excuses about his lack of dedication and performance. This guy is a gifted athlete, but has turned into another wasted talent. Like I wrote before, sixth graders make excuses. Adults accept blame and understand what it is to be professional. I am sick of the race card always being played, especially with Super Bowl history approaching February 4.

posted by quaybon at 09:45 PM on January 23

Oh, by the way, Jeremy Shockey is not "full of energy", he is another loudmouth ass, but he at least seems to understand restraint. Besides, it is New York media. Those guys live in a fishbowl. Hey, how about Owens in NY? Think of the possibilities.....

posted by quaybon at 09:52 PM on January 23

Any comment that straw-mans in Jeremy Shockey, Mike Vick and "raicisim," which he refers to as a mental disorder, none of which have anything to do with this thread, and then tells everyone in the thread that we're all somehow inferior beings because we all don't share the skill set of your average NFL wide receiver, was a comment I assumed wasn't going to last long. (ditto for this one, by the way.)

posted by chicobangs at 10:06 PM on January 23

Speaking of "in T.O.'s eyes", has anyone checked to see if this guy can see?

posted by fleetwood41 at 10:53 PM on January 23

lindo, Let me advance a little theory to you.... Generally, and for the most part, the individuals who scream racist are by their very comments exhibiting their own racism. T.O. despite the fact that HE WAS a gifted receiver, is nothing more than a pompous arrogant asshole....AND, that has nothing to do with color. I consider Donald Trump to be a a pompous arrogant asshole as well, and last I checked...He's white. I personally admire Henry Aaron, tip my hat to Donald Driver and enjoyed the skills of Michael Jordan without regard to their color. Now in case you haven't guessed it yet, I happen to be white. Let's stick to sports and leave the racial and moral pontification out of the picture.

posted by R_A_Mason at 10:59 PM on January 23

We have not had a wide reciever in so long i'll take T.O.You'll have to commit to T.O.or L.J. Herm can handle T.O. Make the move "KING"Carl.

posted by nafsfeihc at 10:59 PM on January 23

Hey, how about Owens in NY? Not unless it's the J E T S, Jets! Jets! Jets! Keep him away from my Giants. Make the move "KING"Carl. Hmmm, TO in KC. Nope, we've got enough trouble here. Let him stay in Dallas, I don't like them anyway. Hey, wait a minute, I think I just came up with a solution. How 'bout moving him to Oakland? TO and Randy Moss on the same team would work, wouldn't it. I'm thinking their negatives cancel each other out.

posted by hellamarine at 11:50 PM on January 23

sure TO is a bad guy, according to you clowns, and that would mean a moron like Jeremy Shockey is just "a guy who is full of energy"...figures we know where you all are coming from....and it takes a big headline to announce that Mike Vick got his water bottle confiscated but nary a mention that the results came back negative and he was vindicated, typical of a mental disorder called racisim Whoa my young apprentice, easy grasshopper. You're committing Spofi suicide. You have to ease into shit like this around here. You damn near made the server go down. Steps to redeem yourself. 1.Google toolbar spell checker. 2."All you clowns" should become- "Some of you" 3.Understand that T.O. could be Mr. Whitefolks, and still not be liked very much around here. 4. While your spider senses are on point concerning some of the threads here, your delivery is all wrong. Last but not least, thank you for showing that I'm really not that bad after all.

posted by Bishop at 12:35 AM on January 24

5. Learn how to spell "racism." That's some funny shit right there. If you're going to accuse somebody, at least know how to spell what you're accusing them of. Classic.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:29 AM on January 24

There's a ton of speculation that TO was behind Parcell's retirement. I don't like hearing from him either, but it isn't laziness to talk to him, it's due diligence. Somebody had to do it.

posted by SummersEve at 06:23 AM on January 24

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see how this is newsworthy. Just another example of the media making a bigger issue with Terrell Owens than is necessary. The comment quoted atop this thread isn't bad, but Owens went on and on, supporting Parcells' retirement, comparing him to his grandmother, and saying he wasn't treated like the team's No. 1 receiver. T.O. needs to G.O.

posted by rcade at 06:47 AM on January 24

This is totally unrelated, sorry. After the Bears-Saints game, a local Chicago news man was outside Soldier Field talking with fans. Of course a big deal was made about Lovie Smith being the first African-American coach to go to a Super Bowl. The news guys sticks his microphone in the face of a fan and says "Do you love the black man?" "You gotta love the black man". Can you only imagine a reverse situation where the Bears coach was white and the guy was going on about loving the white man? He would have been out of there like shit through a goose. I NEVER hear, for instance, about Irish-American coach Mike McCarthy of the Packers or anything other than African-American this or that. It's 2007, people, isn't it just about time to give up this racism shit? I vote for yes.

posted by wdminott at 07:45 AM on January 24

P.S. Every race on this planet has stupid people in it. Every race on this planet has genious in it. Bottom line (predictable I know): Can't we all just get along.

posted by wdminott at 07:49 AM on January 24

How many other players who have played for Parcells have levelled these kind of accusations? Isn't Parcells widely aknowledged as a Coaches Coach? Haven't most of his ex-players expressed profound respect for the man? It is apparent to me that TO doesn't need a coach, he needs a wet nurse. The worst part of the interview: "Owner Jerry Jones said he wants Owens to return" As TLINY noted, Owens led the team in receptions, yet Owens spews "If you don't involve a guy, that person is not going to be as productive as he can be. Thats how I felt" And in a startlingly related moment "Charley from The Island Of Misfit Toys" lamented once again that no one wants to play with a Charley In The Box.

posted by mjkredliner at 08:27 AM on January 24

We have not had a wide reciever in so long i'll take T.O.You'll have to commit to T.O.or L.J. Herm can handle T.O. Make the move "KING"Carl. And then he can be Larry Johnson's mentor, right? PLEASE!!! Just say, "NO" to T.O. in K.C.

posted by ChiefsSuperFan at 08:35 AM on January 24

first of all its rather interesting that so many people pick up on my misspelling of racism as if its ssooooo important guess they NEVER mistyped anything...it was even funnier when some moron criticized my spelling and misspelled his criticism (LMAO)...( however its spelled, its not something i am interested in and really don't care how it's spelled)anyway as i mentioned those that suffer from that mental disorder don't recognize or may not know they have it. And saying that someone pointing out others is in fact pointing at them selves...guess anything you say about others is about you then...meaning whatever you said about TO is really about you? Also racism is so much a part of american culture and mindset that i contend that some are prejudiced even if they don't practice it and some may even supress it. Just because you don't kill people doesn't mean you never thought of it. Anyway here is what bothers me ...why is it only guys like TO that the media chose to portray in a negative light... and then the clowns suck up what they sell and choose to write all this negative stuff about someone they don't know, or never have and will never meet...all you do is see these guys for a few moments in their lives on TV and you conclude all this negative stuff....what exactly has TO done wrong...the sharpie incident, wanting the ball, wanting to win, ranting when he is losing, the dallas logo incident...???...there are many i am sure, but where do we all get off telling others how to behave...it seems that this is a trend in America, the desire to dictate to others how they should behave...a slavery hangover no doubt....and if you don't do as we say we will dis you in the media, or in some cases bomb you into yesterday...or do what ever to ruin your career cause you don't behave the way WE want you to. Anyway nuff said.....typing in a chat forum is not a sport...on to the next topic

posted by lindomotorsports at 08:42 AM on January 24

And in a startlingly related moment "Charley from The Island Of Misfit Toys" lamented once again that no one wants to play with a Charley In The Box. I think you just said it all, mjkredliner.

posted by hellamarine at 08:46 AM on January 24

where do we all get off telling others how to behave...it seems that this is a trend in America, the desire to dictate to others how they should behave...a slavery hangover no doubt.... No, it's called appropriate behavior. Hmmm, TO in KC. Nope, we've got enough trouble here. Good Lord no! I have lived and died by the Chiefs (most often died) for more than 30 years. I would have to pick a different team. I agree, hellamarine. Leave him in Dallas, or just keep him far, far away from KC.

posted by hawkguy at 09:06 AM on January 24

Hey lindo, this has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with the shelfish and moronic behavior of TO. He has had the same problems everywhere he has played. It seems to me that the common factor between all the different teams is TO. So, if the commonality between all places equals TO, perhaps therein lies your problem?

posted by hellamarine at 09:12 AM on January 24

I really wish TO could get his head on straight. Do you realize how good this guy could be if he did?

posted by hellamarine at 09:16 AM on January 24

T.O. belongs in Oakland playing alongside Randy Moss. Best wishes Al Davis!

posted by jaygolf at 09:31 AM on January 24

If loving or hating Terrell Owens is the new Racism Mendoza Line, methinks we're all fucked.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 09:36 AM on January 24

I think Randy Moss gets a bad rap in these threads. Why are TO and Randy even mentioned together? Randy Moss doesn't destroy franchises and has had a pretty successful career. The "I play when I want to play" statement was certainly ill-advised, but the walking off the field with two second was just overblown. I think TO is in a class by himself that Randy Moss on his worst day could never hope to achieve.

posted by bperk at 09:43 AM on January 24

Racism isn't a mental disorder, it's a fundamental human trait like all the other "isms" (sexism, nationalism, etc.). Whenever any 2 human groups can differentiate themselves from eachother by any means, they will label that group and consider them "different". It will always be a part of our primal selves that we have to deal with intellectually to allow peaceful coexistence. In the meanwhile, it does make for lively, often inflammatory, discussion. Oh, this thread is about TO! Yeah, he is a great athlete and a troubled person that makes for a crappy teammate. Better enjoy the limelight while he can, his days are winding down. Those skills don't last forever, ask Jerry Rice.

posted by 1959Giants at 09:53 AM on January 24

I think TO is in a class by himself that Randy Moss on his worst day could never hope to achieve. Um, no, Moss isn't as bad as TO, but if you think he's not a distraction, you're wrong. So, it only makes sense to put the two biggest malcontent recievers on the same team, doesn't it?

posted by hellamarine at 10:10 AM on January 24

T.O. and Moss are both bums. Owens wants to always be in the limelight and Moss is a bum just for "playin when he wants to play" (how about your chump stain ass gets paid when al davis feels like payin you?) im 33, so i dont rem too much about the nfl in the 70's, but i think thats when guys play because they love the game. now its all about some kid skippin years of college to go into the draft and wants millions of dollars because "he is thinkin about his family and needs to support his 8 kids". alot of the players are in it for the money. i read somewhere that a player from the Rams(Youngblood i think) during a game broke his leg and still played.

posted by shep1073 at 10:10 AM on January 24

Um, no, Moss isn't as bad as TO, but if you think he's not a distraction, you're wrong. So, it only makes sense to put the two biggest malcontent recievers on the same team, doesn't it? Moss isn't even the biggest malcontent receiver or distraction on his own team.

posted by bperk at 10:30 AM on January 24

And saying that someone pointing out others is in fact pointing at them selves...guess anything you say about others is about you then...meaning whatever you said about TO is really about you? All that would mean is that we are all also jerks, not racists . . . Not seeing the connection, since everyone was talking about his character, not his color; you brought that up. Hence the comment about your racism. Your attempts to psychoanalyze us are pretty weak, since you don't no usm haven't seen us in person, etc etc. Also racism is so much a part of american culture and mindset that i contend that some are prejudiced even if they don't practice it and some may even supress it. Just because you don't kill people doesn't mean you never thought of it. So should we alll go to jail for being adulters, murderers, and thieves? Come on Lindo, if our character is defined only by occasional unethical thoughts then we are all screwed. Seriously, let this go.

posted by brainofdtrain at 10:45 AM on January 24

Yes, that was Jack Youngblood (no to be confused Jim Youngblood). However, considering TO's playoffs with the Eagles a couple of years ago (torn ankle ligaments), and his broken finger this season, this is not a viable comparison. TO will play hurt, he'll just bitch and moan about how mistreated he is afterwards. This guy is all about me, me, me. Last I checked, football is a team sport. That TO wants to win, I don't doubt, but winning will always require help from his team. Moss isn't even the biggest malcontent receiver or distraction on his own team. Right, 'cause Porter has made so many headlines over his career before this season. Nope, Moss is still worse, he has the longer record of stupidity. So, I guess then, if TO goes to Oakland, the the three biggest malcontent receivers would be on the same team. Wow, THAT would be awesome!

posted by hellamarine at 10:45 AM on January 24

alot of the players are in it for the money. Why is this a sin in sports? When was it not so?

posted by yerfatma at 10:53 AM on January 24

Why is this a sin in sports? When was it not so? About 30 years or so ago.

posted by 1959Giants at 11:07 AM on January 24

Well yerfatma, players used to actually have to hold a second job in the off-season, so back then, they played more for the love of the game than for the money. However, just because players make more money these days, doesn't mean they're all in it for the that. In fact, I would venture to guess that most still play because they love it. Do they get paid well? Hell yeah, very well! Are some players there strictly to be shown the money? I'm sure some are, but I think they are in the minority.

posted by hellamarine at 11:08 AM on January 24

Right, 'cause Porter has made so many headlines over his career before this season Moss was arguably the best WR in the league for many years, so was under an intense spotlight. Porter was the third WR and everyone was waiting for his breakout year every single year. No one would have even noticed if he walked off the field 2 seconds early.

posted by bperk at 11:11 AM on January 24

For what it's worth, I think TO loves to play. If he didn't, he wouldn't play hurt like he does, but he's still more effort than he's worth.

posted by hellamarine at 11:13 AM on January 24

No one would have even noticed if he walked off the field 2 seconds early. Thanks for making my case for me, bperk.

posted by hellamarine at 11:14 AM on January 24

I thought I was disagreeing with you!

posted by bperk at 11:18 AM on January 24

Stay in Dallas TO. Maybe if you got your head screwed on right,you've got plenty of talent.But as the saying goes:You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Too bad since he could of been a possible Hall of Famer.

posted by Ghastly1 at 11:27 AM on January 24

The only thing left is for him to test positive on something he took from someone elses locker or had been given to him by someone anonymous.

posted by volfire at 11:31 AM on January 24

thought I was disagreeing with you! You were until you said, "No one would have even noticed if he walked off the field 2 seconds early." How can Porter be a bigger distraction if no-one notices him? :)

posted by hellamarine at 11:49 AM on January 24

A slavery reference? When one can't think of any other reason, let's choose racism for 1000, Alex. Ok, Terrell, the answer is an NFL wide receiver with talent who spent too much time blaming others for his faults thus wasting what could have been a stellar, hall of fame career. Who is Donovan McNabb? No. Who is Jeff Garcia? No. Sorry, Mr. Owens, it is who is Terrell Owens? C'mon, this has nothing what so ever to do with racism. Being an asshole transgresses racial, ethnic, economic, political, and all other boundaries. Most of us, hopefully, wise up and learn from our mistakes as we mature, not the reverse.

posted by quaybon at 12:18 PM on January 24

In the short time that I have been on spofi, I have seen ample evidence that the majority of it's contributors are equal opportunity bashers. If an athlete does something really stupid, really obnoxious, or really anti-American, they get treated the same no matter if they are white, black, brown, yellow, red, purple, green, or blue.

posted by irunfromclones at 12:26 PM on January 24

I love it when there is a T.O. thread.... It's obvious that T.O. is a CANCER. He has the ability to change the outcome of a game at any moment, but at the same time, he has the ability to bring entire franchises to their knees at any given moment. Randy Moss came into a bad situation and ... somehow made it worse. I have NO idea what happened to Porter. Somehow him and Art Shell were at odds. The difference with T.O. and Moss and Porter is that T.O. was actually able to produce respectable numbers while being a distraction. Porter and Moss had to stop playing in order to make a more concerted effort at being distractions. Whatever happened to kicking someone's ass in the locker room? All three of these guys deserve a good old fashioned ass-whoopin. The coaches should turn the O-Line and the Linebacking core loose on these bitches.

posted by yay-yo at 12:40 PM on January 24

I like it, yay-yo! Let's call their coaches. I guess we'll have to wait on that for TO, but let's give Kiffin a ring.

posted by hellamarine at 01:01 PM on January 24

I have NO idea what happened to Porter. Somehow him and Art Shell were at odds. Porter doesn't like all this stupid rules and discipline. He also could not seem to get along with Gruden.

posted by bperk at 01:11 PM on January 24

Whatever happened to kicking someone's ass in the locker room? It's been tried.

posted by cl at 01:13 PM on January 24

i read somewhere that a player from the Rams(Youngblood i think) during a game broke his leg and still played Anyone remember TO's terrific Super Bowl performance a couple of years ago, when by all rights he should have been on IR?

posted by Venicemenace at 01:32 PM on January 24

My last post made a good point, but it was an even better point when Hellamarine made it several posts ago. Sorry for biting your thoughts HM!

posted by Venicemenace at 01:34 PM on January 24

your chump stain ass Can someone enlighten me? What the hell does this mean?

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 03:07 PM on January 24

I actually enjoy sitting back and wondering just when T.O. will be let go in Dallas , and how short a time it will take for another team to bring him on board. The guy will play in the NFL until he's too old or physically unable to do so. I don't buy this whining by all these teams about problems he causes, because that's exactly what they sign(ed) up for! I don't feel sorry for Philadelphia, Dallas, Parcells, Jones, or anybody in between in the NFL, because most of the decision-makers are bonafide idiots. You can even teach cows to avoid a painful electric fence by shocking them once or twice. Cows learn much faster than NFL owners, GMs and coaches. More and more NFL teams will fall victim to T.O. and the media circus that hang on his every word because he IS good. Teams will accept some drops. More teams will be lining up to welcome him whenever Dallas cuts the strings. Like "Manny being Manny" in Boston, it's "T.O. being T.O." wherever he winds up.

posted by dyams at 03:26 PM on January 24

I've always gotten the impression that Wade Phillips is a coach in his father's mold: tough, straight-ahead, and very fundamentally sound. In today's NFL, I think fundamentals and substance can still win out over showboating and style. Granted, I've never watched much Wade Phillips-coached football, but when I did get the chance to see his teams play, I was generally impressed with the tackling, the way his backs and receivers tuck the ball away, the crisp blocks by his linemen...the unglamorous, workmanlike fundamentals that aren't sexy at all, but lead to wins. You could do worse. Paging Dave Wannstadt!

posted by The_Black_Hand at 03:38 PM on January 24

P.S. Every race on this planet has stupid people in it. Every race on this planet has genious in it. Bottom line (predictable I know): Can't we all just get along? I get what you're trying to say here, but being far from genius (or genious, take your pick) myself, I believe the following to be true. 20% of us are smart and 20% of us are dumb, the rest are in the middle. How do those of us in the middle fare? Well, I'll refer you to a quote from Chris Rock: "A black C student can't do shit with his life. A black C student can't even be a manager at Burger King, meanwhile a white C student just happens to be the President of the United States of America". Can't we all just get along? Sure we can, just as soon as 1 of the Black genius's you speak of have a legitimate shot at beating out a White C student for the Presidency of the United States. That'll be the day we can all just get along.

posted by Bishop at 03:42 PM on January 24

I watched Wade Phillips in Buffalo, and I see him as a relatively poor head coach. He had a talented Bills team to work with, but he would waffle around issues and decisions with his bumpkin' talk, and ended up coming across as spineless. I didn't see any of his father in him. He basically caused the entire Rob Johnson-Doug Flutie controversy by refusing to take a stance and get control of the locker room. He's always come across to me as a fairly competent defensive coordinator, but not too great a head coach.

posted by dyams at 03:43 PM on January 24

A black C student can't do shit with his life. A black C student can't even be a manager at Burger King, meanwhile a white C student just happens to be President of the United States. Yeah, a C student at Harvard and Yale. I happen to know many black men who have done shit with their lives because they aren't afraid to get out and work their ass off every day like a large percentage of the white population does. You waste your efforts on here Bishop, you should be an activist that is focused on getting his race into the voting booths, both local and national, and maybe helping some of those C students learn to flip burgers at Burger King.

posted by mjkredliner at 05:27 PM on January 24

That part of the brain that keeps you from saying what you're thinking when it's not in your best interest? T.O.'s is obviously broken. I happen to agree with much of what he said, but there's a time and place for everything. This wasn't it. Please take the racism debate to email.

posted by justgary at 05:38 PM on January 24

He had a talented Bills team to work with, Which talented team was that, the one that was 6-10 the year before he took over, or the one that was 3-13 the year after he left? Sorry for biting your thoughts HM! No problem. I'm just glad you and I finally agree on something, VM.

posted by hellamarine at 06:38 PM on January 24

You waste your efforts on here Bishop, you should be an activist that is focused on getting his race into the voting booths, both local and national, and maybe helping some of those C students learn to flip burgers at Burger King WTF? I quote Chris Rock and you come with this BS? Maybe my race is tired of voting for idiotic old white men. work their ass off every day like a large percentage of the white population does. Are you indicating that a large portion of the African American community doesn't? Dude Tiger Woods is the best golfer in the world. Get over it. Sorry Gary, but I couldn't let this end with his ignorant statements, but consider it done now.

posted by Bishop at 07:33 PM on January 24

I'm having a hard time holding back here. Suffice to say, I agree with Bishop. However, I also agree with mjkredliner's premise about getting people of color to vote, to have a voice and let it be heard. I just think all of us with this belief should work toward this goal and not just Bishop being an activist that is focused on getting his race into the voting booths.

posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 07:43 PM on January 24

You waste your efforts on here Bishop, you should be an activist that is focused on getting his race into the voting booths, both local and national, and maybe helping some of those C students learn to flip burgers at Burger King. How do you know he isn't? Also...are you?

posted by lil_brown_bat at 07:48 PM on January 24

Maybe my race is tired of voting for idiotic old white men I'm pretty sure a vote for Chris Rock ain't gonna help matters either. Are you indicating that a large portion of the African American community doesn't? No, my intent was to point out that people of all race and gender, fat or thin, old or young, can overcome what other people percieve to be barriers for their chance of success if they work their ass off and don't just sit and bitch about the status quo. See Booker T. Washington, Benjamin Banneker, Harriet Tubman, George Washington Carver, et al etc. etc. Dude, Tiger Woods is the best golfer iin the world, get over it. Ahh, your standard response, but again, I say, if you have a link to a thread where I not only acknowledge that fact but also proclaim him to be the best ever, then please produce it or STFU.

posted by mjkredliner at 09:45 PM on January 24

I'm pretty sure a vote for Chris Rock ain't gonna help matters either. That's what you call a false dichotomy, son. btw, if you got a sec, try a google search on "barack obama" or maybe "deval patrick", just to mention two recent and obvious examples.

posted by lil_brown_bat at 09:51 PM on January 24

Lets get this straight: I ain't your son. My "false dichotomy" was in response to his acknowledgement that he was quoting Chris Rock and taking it, apparently, as Gospel. If you all choose to believe that "a black c student can't do shit with their lives", then that is your problem, not mine. Over and out, ma'am.

posted by mjkredliner at 10:00 PM on January 24

I regret to inform you that this discussion has died. Opinions differ on whether Terrel Owens, Bill Parcells or man's inhumanity to man is to blame.

posted by rcade at 06:41 AM on January 25

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