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July 15, 2006
Hidden: Her Pride Was Really Hurt: I wonder if Michelle Wie would have gotten sick if she was about to make the cut? Wie's latest failed attempt to make the cut in a men's event was cut short when she "withdrew" after nine holes of her second round with "heat exhaustion." "Withdrew" is synonymous with "quit." "Heat exhaustion" is synonymous with "tired of getting my ass kicked and I really don't want to play anymore." I am no doctor, but I bet she would have felt fine if she was about to make the cut.
You still have to remember she's still just a 16 year old kid. I realize today's sporting world wants mid-teen kids to be on competitive par, both physically and emotionally, with 30 year olds, but it's becoming ridiculous. My feelings are the same as mjk's. Someone close to her should tell her to kick back for awhile. I'd hate to see her go on some type of Jennifer Capriati drug-binge period because she cracks. Also, as a kid, maybe (I'm speculating) she needs to become more aware of her body's needs during a long run of events. Most kids see themselves as invincible, but during grueling weather, maybe her nutrition and fluid intake, especially during events, needs to be monitored (like I'm some sort of freakin' expert). Plus, BlueCarp, I do agree some of your allegations are opinionated crap.
posted by dyams at 09:49 AM on July 15, 2006
Exactly correct,dyams. She may look grown up,but she is still a little girl trying (or being pressured) to play a man game. I have nothing but sympathy for her.
posted by sickleguy at 10:04 AM on July 15, 2006
I have nothing but sympathy, and agree that the anger directed at her in the OP is way over the top... But I think this whole attempt is very premature for Wie. I think she should either become dominant in the LPGA or go to Q-School like the rest of the would-be PGA tour golfers. And if I were the LPGA, I would set a limit on PGA events that you can compete in before you are disqualified from joining that tour.
posted by mikelbyl at 10:09 AM on July 15, 2006
BlueCarp, you're just jealous because she gets sponsored to play golf with the big boys and you can't...
posted by wingnut4life at 10:36 AM on July 15, 2006
and why doesn't she just concentrate on the women's (little girls) tour and win there first before SHOWBOATING on the real tour!!!!!
posted by FrankySP at 11:11 AM on July 15, 2006
Oh dear.
posted by Mr Bismarck at 11:26 AM on July 15, 2006
As someone who's gotten sun poisoning working around the house and come near heat stroke trying to tough it out in sports, I'd have to say anyone who thinks "heat exhaustion" is a made-up excuse must be a girly-man who's never done an honest day's work.
posted by yerfatma at 11:39 AM on July 15, 2006
All the above comments have value and merit, if you realize the real reason she is out there in the spotlight. Its to SELL stuff, just like anyone else either on tour or who aspires to be on tour. The message she is now sending, rather than selling, is unfortunately that she should GO AWAY for a while...as many above have stated. She is gearing up to be a skit on Saturday Night Live.."my god, a double bogey..quick, my oxygen mask.." ad nauseum. I am sure there are some sharp witted comic writers who have a whole schtick already written about Michelles' weekend of fun and barfing. The GolfChannel lead for the last two days has been Michelle, her "unending quest to make the cut on the PGA tour", but they are bleeding in a few more naysayers...like her playing partner Jeff Gove >As she waited for Gove to putt, Wie knelt at the edge of the green with her head bowed, pulling the bill of her baseball cap over her eyes. "I saw she was hurting, but she never said anything," Gove said. "And she was walking real slow, which I thought was inconsiderate again because we're trying to keep up. If we get on the clock again, that's painful." (AP wire reports) Notice the word "inconsiderate"...thats a biggie in the world of professional golf. So, the implication is she is now affecting, negatively, the performance of other professionals , who are out there trying to SELL stuff...get attention, notice the name on their hats, bags and shirts. Michelle and the public need a break from each other, and maybe she needs to enter an event she can be competitive in, and not the butt of certain future jokes.
posted by Leominster at 11:46 AM on July 15, 2006
Well, if she was about to make the cut, would she have gotten sick? Or would she have toughed it out?
posted by BlueCarp at 12:11 PM on July 15, 2006
Heat exhaustion is no fun. I played a round of golf in 90+ degree heat with high humidity during Memorial Day. Heat and humidity isn't a normal thing in Pittsburgh. I didn't drink any water before hand. By the time I got done, I was beat. It took me two days to cool down. If she's learned anything during this, it is to drink a lot of water. You'd think her dad would have told her to do that instead of filling her head with the idea of playing with the guys.
posted by dbt302 at 12:14 PM on July 15, 2006
Well, if she was about to make the cut, would she have gotten sick? Or would she have toughed it out? Isn't that a lovely bit of speculation on your part! That's like asking the triathlete if he would have just simply collapsed during the running portion if he was in the lead at the time. Or asking the marathon runner if they would have pulled out of the Olympic race with cramps if they had the lead. Would you have asked the same questions of an athlete if you had even an ounce of respect for them? Michelle and the public need a break from each other, and maybe she needs to enter an event she can be competitive in While winning may seem to be the "only thing", it ain't. She's finished in the top 5 of the women's majors in five of the last six majors, and six overall. Annika Sorenstam didn't have that many top 5 major finishes until she was 28 years old, and had been on the tour for 7 years. You may not have noticed, but she's been "competitive" for a while now.
posted by grum@work at 01:00 PM on July 15, 2006
In the end, we look at the win column... We don't remember Jack Nicklaus for his 19 2nd's in professional majors. We remember him for his 18 victories. If your not there to win and only there to make the cut, you shouldn't be there at all.
posted by ryemonster at 01:39 PM on July 15, 2006
BlueCarp, you're clearly inside her head! You know exactly what she's thinking, what she cares about, when she's trying and when she just needs her binky and a cup of Ovaltine! Even before annnouncing what the thread is about, you've already told us what to think! End of story, case closed! What a piece of shit way to open a thread. We get it, BlueCarp, you hate Michelle Wie. But this thread is not about "BlueCarp hates Michelle Wie." (If it was, it'd have been closed immediately.) That kind of one-off editorializing belongs in the thread, not on the front page. The front page is for facts. The opinions and discussion go inside. Have you ever had heat exhaustion? It can mess with you something fierce. You're disoriented, you're nauseous, you can't concentrate, you have to lay down or throw up or keep moving or force yourself to drink water, sometimes all at the same time, and with a gallery (and a nation of golf fans) following your every move, whatever you do will be second-guessed. There's no right answer if you're Michelle Wie. Your question is backward. If she was in contention, it would be because (among other things) she didn't have heatstroke, not the other way around.
posted by chicobangs at 01:49 PM on July 15, 2006
Ok So I think that Wie was not FAKING it like some people on this post think ... There has been really HOT weather and it wouldnt surprise me if she was telling the truth, I don't think she backed out on the tournement because she was losing and not going to make the cut i think she quite because she was not feeling good .Would you have like her to pass out if FRONT OF EVERYONE and not only the people at the golf course but EVERYONE WATCHING, i think that you (BlueCarp) hate Michelle Wie because she is a girl playing a guys sport and that scared the ever living shit out of you and you don't know what to think anymore about it. Let the girl play if she wants to there are going to be times people have to drop out of things and not because of what the score is or because of how good/bad they are playing ... I play golf myself and though i may not be as good as Michelle Wie i still would drink water during hot days of playing golf and i think thats the only fault she had at this tournment. SO bluecarp i have one more thing to say GO PICK ON SOMEONE ELSE and leave Michelle Wie alone.
posted by soccer_chick102019 at 02:26 PM on July 15, 2006
Ken Venturi wasn't too disoriented, nauseous and he couldn't concentrate when he won the U.S. Open many years ago....btw...he almost died playing the 36 holes on Sunday. With the round on Thursday, Michelle Wie played her way out of the tournament. She looked fine finding 3 hazards in 4 holes. What really hurt was being sheld be one of the weakest fields in golf. If Michelle Wie was near the cut line, there was no doubt she would have kept playing.
posted by ryemonster at 02:27 PM on July 15, 2006
ryemonster, Venturi took a big chance when he was playing for the win, and it worked out for him. It was gutsy, but it can be debated whether or not it was smart. Wie was ill, out of contention for the win, and almost as sure to miss the cut. So she should have gutted it out? For what? To show she's got grit? That's just stupid. You don't think that she, or at least her parents, had a pretty good idea of how much greif she'd take for quitting? The only thing to be gained by quitting was to preserve her health. You constantly hear how her old man pushes her. If she wasn't really ill, he would have told her to suck it up, get south of par for the day, and water down the embarrassment from day 1. If she gets to +5 or 6 overall, she misses the cut, but she still beats a hell of a lot of male pros. We'd all still be going through the "should she even be playing men's events?" debate, but that's nothing new. At least she wouldn't be the object of all the "faker" and "quitter" commentary she's got to deal with now. Could she have gutted it out? Maybe, but I doubt if it would have been a good choice.
posted by ctal1999 at 03:13 PM on July 15, 2006
"Have you ever had heat exhaustion?" Mom keeps the basement cool.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 03:49 PM on July 15, 2006
She just wasn't ready to take the heat. She knew the weather was going to be warm and up here in this heat with the high humidity you need to get pre-hydrated. It was poor planning on her part. Some of her antics were unnecessary. All the sitting down, all that does is hinder her breathing. Thinking on it, maybe school was the best way to go.
posted by ryemonster at 03:53 PM on July 15, 2006
Michelle is an extraordinary talent but still just a kid. Playing poorly simply made it easier to listen to her body and its natural signals and walk away when it was proper to do so.
posted by judgedread at 03:59 PM on July 15, 2006
You may not have noticed, but she's been "competitive" for a while now Grum...er, OK. she HAS been competitive, in Womens and LPGA events. You make that point, and make my point as well. She has won the USGA Womens AmPublinx at age 13. I am confident she will win soon, maybe real soon, in a National womens LPGA event. My point is... she has NOT been competitive, in US PGA events. Players that fail to make cuts, make no money and don't stay on tour, on the PGA tour. I think you took the second part of my comment, and dissected it, rather than along with the first part. The public now remembers her for getting sick and w/d in an event where she was going to miss the cut again. Top that off with some players on tour getting irked by her slow play, having the threesome placed on the clock by officals ( no fun, I've been put on the clock in tournaments because of another), and now having that sentiment getting into the press. Watch for the fickle press to start picking up the feelings of other players as that starts to become a more popular position with the public...and yeah, she and the public may need a break. I am sure that William Morris Co Agency wants a better memory picture than having Michelle in a near-barf state as the last take she gets on television. Michelle Wie will probably continue to be invited to lower tier PGA events; I for one am starting to view this as exploitation of the cruelest kind. She has little shot of making the cut, no shot at winning, it keeps another player out of the field, and the sponsors use her merely for the gate and press appeal. And..I don't think I'm alone in this sentiment. Her handlers have work to do.
posted by Leominster at 04:39 PM on July 15, 2006
If Michelle really wants to prove something, she should go through Q school and earn her status along with everyone else trying to play for their lives. You may say...well that last spot wasn't going to do anything anyway. Remember John Daly at the 1991 PGA Championship, last alternate in and won, this would change his life completely.
posted by ryemonster at 04:47 PM on July 15, 2006
If the same criticism had been made against, say, John Daly, how many of you would have jumped to his defense? Maybe a few. The rest of you feel the need to protect the "poor little girl" from criticism. That's a sexist attitude. Treat her like the pro she is. Pros get criticized. Being female has nothing to do with it. And the personal attacks against posters are unwarranted. Address the criticism, don't get personal.
posted by BlueCarp at 04:54 PM on July 15, 2006
Everyone seems to be ganging up on Blue Carp for telling it the way it is. It was 88 degrees when she quit. Her quiting was a cop out and her way to try and save face when faced with missing the cut by a ton of strokes. And I'm not anti Michelle Wie. If a woman can make it on the men's tour I think it's great for ratings and brings attention to golf. She's just not good enough yet. But instead of finishing what she started, she chose to take her ball and go home. Plain and simple.
posted by billybook at 04:57 PM on July 15, 2006
I'm not attacking BlueCarp personally. His posting style leaves a lot to be desired, and his ability to read Michelle Wie's mind and motives from afar is frankly astonishing, but I know nothing about him aside from his opinion in this case, and so personal insults would be misguided at best. And his assumptions of gallantry are misplaced as well. In fact, this conversation has come up around John Daly (many times before), and many people are for & against Daly's success the same way they may or may not have Wie's back here. The assumption that people who wish well upon Wie have some kind of ulterior motive is kind of insulting. Maybe we just want to see someone with the capacity to do something special follow through on that potential. (Seriously, though. I'd really like it if the guidelines were reflected to encourage keeping excessive editorializing off the front page. They make this place look amateurish, and its participants like half-cocked morons.)
posted by chicobangs at 05:23 PM on July 15, 2006
Everyone seems to be ganging up on Blue Carp for telling it the way it is. How about we gang up on it because only a worthless weakling editorializes in a FPP? The FPP is to introduce a link to an article that may take a position on an issue (issue?), or it may -- as in this case -- simply be a straightforward piece of reporting on a happening in the sports world. In either case, when you editorialize -- that is, when you make the FPP all about your opinion about the happening in question -- you are exceeding your bounds as an FPPoster, IMO. You want to sound off about what you think of Michelle Wie's heat exhaustion? Fine -- do so in a comment. You want to sound off even more? Fine -- write a column, we can always use more. But keep your opinions out of the FPP. This is my opinion and not shared by everyone, but no one has yet come up with a cogent and meaningful argument in support of FPP editorializing. And no, "Awwww, lighten up, whatsit hurt *burp*" isn't a cogent and meaningful argument.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 05:27 PM on July 15, 2006
Michelle Wie...hmmm, no one has invited me or anyone else posting here (read BlueCarp) to participate in a PGA event because of our amazing golf skills - yet, Michelle Wie has been invited to several. I believe that speaks for itself. BlueCarp is trying to beat that same drum that guys beat all the time - "women cannot compete against men." The truth here isn't important - whether Michelle Wie was really sick (probably was, she doesn't seem like a sissy to me) or not is not what matters. What matters to the PGA and LPGA and the fans is that people are watching golf on TV and at the events and that's why Michelle Wie (and Annika for that matter) are invited to come out. It sets up an exciting chance to see a woman compete with men which doesn't happen everyday and fans get to see both top males competitors and top female competitors. The only story here is that Michelle Wie had to leave the tournament and I'm sure some fans were disappointed they didn't get to see her finish the round - whether she made the cut or not. I attended the Senior Open in St. Louis back in July 2004. Arnold Palmer didn't make the cut, but you bet the fans were lined up for every shot he made in the first two rounds. The exciting part was that Friday got rained out so they played two rounds on a hot Saturday and more folks got to come out and see Arnie finish the second round on the weekend. It's exciting for fans and they want to see the great players. Just enjoy golf and stop bickering about who should or shouldn't play what tour. If the fans don't come out to see them, they won't get a chance to play. It's as simple as that.
posted by StLCardsFan at 05:38 PM on July 15, 2006
I never criticize Wie for trying to play with the men. I criticized her for quitting. I attended the Women's US Open at Cherry Hills last year and had a great time. I think it would be great for a woman to compete with the men. I just don't like it when people quit when they are losing.
posted by BlueCarp at 05:44 PM on July 15, 2006
BlueCarp, you're clearly inside her head! You know exactly what she's thinking, what she cares about, when she's trying and when she just needs her binky and a cup of Ovaltine! Hey now! Let's not let this devolve into an arguement that insults binkys and Ovaltine! Somethings are going just too far! Of course there was no way of knowing what she was thinking and considering she hasn't shown a pattern of dropping out I'm more then happy to give her the benefit of the doubt. Now if 4 or 5 years from now she's still dropping out every time it looks like she won't make the cut that would be a different story. Until then what the hell take her at her word. And until then lay off the binkys and Ovaltine!
posted by commander cody at 05:52 PM on July 15, 2006
Miss Wie should concentrate in doing well in the ladies events first. No doubt she is a talented youngster and her time will come.
posted by orlando32 at 05:53 PM on July 15, 2006
And no, "Awwww, lighten up, whatsit hurt *burp*" isn't a cogent and meaningful argument. damn
posted by commander cody at 05:57 PM on July 15, 2006
A round of binkys and Ovaltine for the house! Put it on my tab! Here's to all my frie-ends!
posted by chicobangs at 06:03 PM on July 15, 2006
TYVM Chico!
posted by commander cody at 06:06 PM on July 15, 2006
BlueCarp: And the personal attacks against posters are unwarranted. Address the criticism, don't get personal. People tend to lose their heads around here when Michelle Wie misses a PGA cut. She's one of those people whose fans can't imagine anybody not liking her, and when someone says something that sounds even close to being anti-Wie, they fire back with variations on "You're sexist, you're jealous, you're racist, blah blah blah." I've caught a lotta flack here for my opinion that it's ridiculous for her to go on a quest for a PGA cut before she proves herself worthy on the LPGA tour. I also think that the way Wie's parents are either driving her so hard or are indulging her I-want-it-all-now strategy borders on abuse. IMHO, signs of wilting under the pressure Wie's brought on herself are beginning to show. Get a load of what happened at the LPGA Match Play Championship last week (7/8/06):
It has also been my contention that the lady pros can't appreciate the fact that Wie could buy and sell handfuls of them despite the fact she hasn't won a LPGA event, yet -- and this is the difference between Wie and Tiger Woods, who also got megamillions up front -- she acts as if the LPGA isn't significant enough a challenge to demand her undivided attention. Lincicome, who ended up winning the Match Play trophy, was quoted thusly in the same AP report as above before she won (bold mine):
GLADSTONE, N.J. (AP) -- Michelle Wie didn't speak to her opponents Saturday in the HSBC Women's World Match Play Championship. "She's not much of a talker," Se Ri Pak said after her 2-and-1 loss in the third round. "Me, I was having fun with my caddie. She wasn't really talking at all. We were not having any conversation at all, but this is a match game. It was a little weird, but that's fine. She wanted to win." Hawaii's Wie also gave Brittany Lincicome the silent treatment during the 16-year-old star's 4-and-3 loss in the quarterfinals. "I would tell her 'Good shot' and she would say nothing in return," Lincicome said. "Maybe she was just focused. Maybe I was messing her up by trying to talk to her."
"Like people have said out here," said Lincicome, who, with her first LPGA win, has one more than Wie. Seems to me there has been grumbling about Wie for quite awhile already, and it's just now bubbling to the surface.
Brittany Lincicome was asked if she would ever consider following Michelle Wie's lead by playing in men's tournaments. "Like people have said out here, 'If you can't beat Annika (Sorenstam), you don't need to go play another tour,"' Lincicome said. "If you're not No. 1 on this tour, you don't need to go to another tour. So after I dominate this one, maybe I'll try it, but it's definitely not anywhere in my future."
posted by L.N. Smithee at 06:29 PM on July 15, 2006
L.N., that's a lot of multi-colored code that doesn't really make much of a point. I followed all of your links, and they seem to be more about how you personally are being persecuted than about people here blowing smoke up Michelle Wie's putter. Brittany Lincicome has long been on record as being vastly more vocal in her dislike of Wie than anyone else in the golf world. She may be accurate in her assessments, but if you're leaning on her to make your arguments, you might want to include a second opinion. But then again, I'm obviously just kissing Michelle Wie's ass, right?
posted by chicobangs at 06:41 PM on July 15, 2006
chicobangs: Britanny Lincicome has long been on record as being vastly more vocal in her dislike of Wie than anyone else in the golf world. She may be accurate in her assessments, but if you're leaning on her to make your arguments, you might want to include a second opinion. To quote the old Toyota jingle: YOU...asked for it! YOU GOT IT! And here's the best part -- this is from the second of the links you provided...before you apparently edited your post. Let's review: I wrote, "Seems to me there has been grumbling about Wie for quite awhile already, and it's just now bubbling to the surface." From sportswriter Larry Bohannan in yesterday's Palm Springs Desert Sun:
For the record: I didn't find in your link any quote from Lincicome critical of Wie prior to the one I posted. OTOH, after having found backup for my statement, I didn't hit them all.
There are arguments, and good arguments, to be made about whether Wie should focus her energy now on playing against women. Wie and her family and business partners have heard those arguments but continued along a unique path that makes her both well-known and financially set. But the tide of popular opinion seems to be turning against Wie in her desire to play against men. More and more LPGA players seem willing to say what they were silently saying in past years, that Wie should establish herself on the women's tour. Wie would be 15th on the women's tour money list this year in extremely limited play. When she becomes a full member when she turns 18 (her father has said that's the plan), it's easy to see her as one of the two or three best players on the tour.
posted by L.N. Smithee at 07:04 PM on July 15, 2006
Wow, starting a post about a woman on SportsFilter guarantees at least 10-15 responses. I knew I should have compared Wie to Martina Hingis earlier.
posted by thaumielx72 at 07:11 PM on July 15, 2006
The number of responses in a thread tends to be inversely proportional to how good a thread is. I excised the link (which was simply to a google search) because it wasn't clear. I didn't realize you were frantically refreshing this thread. I don't know who this columnist "Tide Of Popular Opinion" is, but I've never read their column. Phrases like "some may say" or "it's been mentioned that" or "it is the opinion of many" are signs of lazy journalism, and I tend to instinctively disbelieve whatever follows them. Anyway, I'm done here. I'm going out for the evening, so you guys win the argument. Start fitting Wie for her apron and pair her off with a good breedin' man, and get her off the golf course, especially among the menfolk.
posted by chicobangs at 07:20 PM on July 15, 2006
As someone who spent four days in the hospital after heat stroke I wish I had only had heat exhaustion.
posted by geekyguy at 07:26 PM on July 15, 2006
It is plain and simple: Tournament Sponsors (John Deere, Ovaltine, Binky's for Babys, whoever) have a number of invitations that they can extend to Blinky The Clown, Saddam Hussein, or The Duke of Bogey, ANYONE, regardless of professional/amateur status, or handicap. Any one of you (myself included) would jump at the chance to play in a PGA Tour event, why is Michelle Wie any different? The sponsors obviously think she will increase gate receipts and/or TV ratings, it is their call and not yours. End of story. If you don't like it, too bad. Oh, and John (W.D.) Daly gets no free passes here. He wrote the book on inventive excuses for quitting.
posted by mjkredliner at 07:26 PM on July 15, 2006
chicobangs: Anyway, I'm done here. I'm going out for the evening, so you guys win the argument. Start fitting Wie for her apron and pair her off with a good breedin' man, and get her off the golf course, especially among the menfolk. Let's review AGAIN! I wrote:
Thanks, Chico. What did I tell ya, BlueCarp?
...when someone says something that sounds even close to being anti-Wie, they fire back with variations on "You're sexist, you're jealous, you're racist, blah blah blah."
posted by L.N. Smithee at 07:28 PM on July 15, 2006
Even before I saw the multi-colored text (nice touch), I somehow knew it was L.N. Smithee. Uncanny.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 07:58 PM on July 15, 2006
What did I tell ya, BlueCarp? "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" leaves you with a clubhouse full of douchebags. Enjoy the salad. Tossed fresh daily.
posted by yerfatma at 08:22 PM on July 15, 2006
Another thing, L.N., the fiercest competitor to ever play the game was usually too absorbed in his own game to even notice, on one occasion, his opponent making an ace, much less make small talk. Get a load of what happened, indeed.
posted by mjkredliner at 08:24 PM on July 15, 2006
Maybe Wie should try the Nationwide Tour, maybe there she would actually make the cut against the men. There should not be any LPGA and if there is there should also be a "M"PGA. Equality is what we're talking here. Everyone should play on the same field. If this was the case....Michelle would be 0/5, and that's not going to keep your card. Whatever happened to guy that wanted to play in a LPGA event? He got turned away because he was a guy. Sounds pretty sexist to me.
posted by ryemonster at 09:10 PM on July 15, 2006
Even before I saw the multi-colored text (nice touch), I somehow knew it was L.N. Smithee. A few months ago someone (Weedy? Chico?) ask L.N. if he had brochures, cause he seemed like someone who would have brochures. I didn't 2nd that at the time, but I sure do now.
posted by commander cody at 09:13 PM on July 15, 2006
You jest keep on playin' the forward tees, ryemonster. That'll right that wrong.
posted by mjkredliner at 09:48 PM on July 15, 2006
Forward tees are still longer than the women's
posted by ryemonster at 10:12 PM on July 15, 2006
G.O.L.F. Gentlemans Only Ladies Forbidden? Why not let the great women athlete compete with the guys.... Good competition makes you a better player, so lettem showcase their skills versus guys, hopefully in the shortrun, we will see them winning men's tourneys too.... I'd personally like to see Anika try it more often.
posted by zippinglou at 02:19 AM on July 16, 2006
Looking at the leaderboard after the second round, it looks like three or four male golfers withdrew from the tounament also. What was their wimpy-ass quitters excuse?
posted by dyams at 08:02 AM on July 16, 2006
I couldn't really care less about golf, I don't even think it's a sport, more of a skilled game, but I do find it hillarious how some talentless men are threatened by talented women. Never fails.
posted by sic at 08:02 AM on July 16, 2006
Looking at the leaderboard after the second round, it looks like three or four male golfers withdrew from the tounament also. What was their wimpy-ass quitters excuse? I really wish that comment had been made much sooner in the discussion. Unfortunately, it'll be buried and probably unseen by BlueCarp and others that think Wie simply quit.
posted by grum@work at 10:25 AM on July 16, 2006
We are on the brink of World War III and the big worry is whether a golfer makes the cut or not. What simpletons.
posted by joromu at 10:35 AM on July 16, 2006
joromu: We are on the brink of World War III and the big worry is whether a golfer makes the cut or not. What simpletons. Uh huh. And yet, here you are, hanging out with us "simpletons." What does that make you? But you're right. WWIII's about to break out. Whaddaya say, guys? Let's all close our eyes, clench our fists, and wish the war away! What a maroon...
posted by L.N. Smithee at 10:49 AM on July 16, 2006
A few months ago someone (Weedy? Chico?) ask L.N. if he had brochures, cause he seemed like someone who would have brochures. I didn't 2nd that at the time, but I sure do now. Not brochures. Tracts. Although, to be fair, the anti-gay tirade in the Ozzie thread evidently happened before LN learned how to make HTML make all them pretty colors. Kinda like a particularly low-budget Chick tract, that one was. This one is much snazzier, sort of a Ralph Reed product.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 10:50 AM on July 16, 2006
We are on the brink of World War III I refer you to "WorldWarFilter." We have someone above who could care less about golf, but somehow finds time to troll a 50-some comment thread, and now somebody who's reading through the comments and typing in a reply from his bomb-shelter. You've gotta love the internet!
posted by dyams at 10:55 AM on July 16, 2006
This one is much snazzier, sort of a Ralph Reed product. THAT'S what it reminded me of! Thanks lbb!
posted by commander cody at 11:03 AM on July 16, 2006
the anti-gay tirade in the Ozzie thread There was none. L.N. made a very legitimate argument that the San Francisco city council was not as tolerant as they would like to appear to be, and, that in fact, double standards do apply to straight, Christian groups wishing to meet, parade, or congregate, in "America's Most Progressive and Tolerant City".
posted by mjkredliner at 04:07 PM on July 16, 2006
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posted by chicobangs at 12:05 PM on July 17, 2006
And "BlueCarp" is synonymous with bottom feeding scavengers. Perhaps she would have felt fine, but, then again, she doesn't seem like a quitter to me, and her playing partners didn't seem to think she was faking it. Even if she was, she is not in the same league as John W.D. Daly. She has played a pretty grueling schedule the last 3 summers, maybe she needs time to sit by the pool and just be a kid, or maybe, she actually was stricken with heat exhaustion, which is synonymous with "being to damn hot to carry on because it may be life threatening."