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January 12, 2006
Doctor: Palmer knee injury 'potentially career-ending': Carson Palmer's went down on his first pass in a playoff game in what could potentially be his last game. This quote is from the doctor who helped work on Palmer "On a scale of one to three, it was a four," he said. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged -- shredded is the better term." This is horrible news and a tragic situation but Carson is still a young guy and I don't think we've seen the last of him.
posted by kellermcgee21 to football at 10:19 PM - 55 comments
I really, really hope Palmer is back. The man is a great player and, apparently, a pretty decent human being.
posted by Joey Michaels at 10:45 PM on January 12, 2006
20 minutes later the doctor was tripping all over himself saying that he was quoted out of context. He meant an injury like this CAN be career ending but is optomistc about Palmer Plus, isn't it illegal for doctors to talk about a patient's medical status?
posted by mick at 10:47 PM on January 12, 2006
Yeah, but it's hard to keep mum when you're talking about the biggest name in Cincinnati since Johnny Fever left town.
posted by chicobangs at 11:01 PM on January 12, 2006
I'm not a Cincy fan, so I don't really have any dog in the fight, but I'd like to see karmic payback for Van Offen ... hopefully he'll be out of the NFL soon. I saw the replay ... that hit was cheap as hell ... yes he was trying to sack him but when you're on your hands and knees and sacking him requires diving into his knee ... its time to pull up.
posted by Mike McD at 11:08 PM on January 12, 2006
Fuck, Johnny Fever left town?!? Did he at least leave me Bailey Quarters?
posted by wfrazerjr at 11:09 PM on January 12, 2006
I'm so upset and frustrated by this whole thing I've lost the will to curse or express emotion. I just feel empty.
posted by insomnyuk at 12:23 AM on January 13, 2006
It was pretty badly damaged -- shredded is the better term Worst damn thing I heard all season, next to Coach Dungy's loss. Gotta feel for Carson, his family, his teammates, the fans. Hope he finds the strength to rehab. In the fantasy league I played in this season, I chose Palmer as the MVP (over Alexander) because he was taking Cincy to a new level. I believe that next season the AFC North Division will be the toughest division to play in. Three teams from that division will see the post season (sorry Ravens). It would be great to see the Bengals continue to challenge Pittsburgh for dominance (don't take Cleveland lightly though). Cincy will not be able to accomplish this without Palmer. Rudy J might give the Bengals ball control, Carson gives the Bengals BALLS (big cast-iron balls!!!).
posted by babooze808 at 12:49 AM on January 13, 2006
I think it is just a case of the doctor giving himself "props" after the fact. Most of these team surgens work for free, in terms of what they do for the players. Their payment is that they can advertize that if they are good enough for the NFL, then surely your puny little skiing injury is worth paying the extra high fee they are going to charge.".. the man who saved Carson Palmers career now available at resonable rates call now and book while there are still openings..hurray time is running out!
posted by gronir_ hitrops at 05:39 AM on January 13, 2006
I just read where someone said that Von Olhoffon cheap shotted Palmer. Did you see the same replay I did? How can you pull up with a blocker on your back? And how can it be a cheap shot when the BACK of his shoulder hit Palmer's knee. He didn't even know he hit him till the play was over. And IF you remember it was almost the same exact hit that Ben was hurt on earlier in the season. Tragic? yes. Intentional? NO!
posted by terryt at 06:49 AM on January 13, 2006
Palmer does not need knees, he could throw 60 yard fade passes out of a wheel chair. He will be back.
posted by Turbo at 07:20 AM on January 13, 2006
The hit was dirty, it was payback for the hit from Thorton on Ben (which was an accident). I hope the guilt eats Von Olhoffon from in the inside out.
posted by mick at 07:22 AM on January 13, 2006
From the article: "The things that were torn could be repaired," he said. "They were not torn beyond repair. So he's got all his parts in there, which is good. We're optimistic, actually. Misleading headline. Good job, ESPN.
posted by fabulon7 at 07:25 AM on January 13, 2006
The hit was dirty, it was payback for the hit from Thorton on Ben Oh, stop it. No one, including Palmer, agrees with you, so just stop it.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 07:30 AM on January 13, 2006
Mike McD: Go back to the other thread with the quote from Carson Palmer (and at least one other teammate) that said it wasn't a cheap shot. Then go search Sports Illustrated's site for quotes from Doctor Z who also said it wasn't a cheap shot. I am sorry, but you are wrong. The player hurt, his teammates, as well as the so-called experts from various established sports outlets have spoken, and those who aren't completely drunk or total homers agree it was not a cheap shot. on second chance edit preview, thanks l_b_b.
posted by scully at 07:37 AM on January 13, 2006
I sure hope he'll be okay because it gets pretty boring when Manning is the only QB ESPN fawns all over. It was nice to see someone else playing at his level. I wonder if Cincinatti should trade up for Palmer's USC alum, hmmmmm, now that would be interesting.
posted by sadsadcubsfan at 07:58 AM on January 13, 2006
Thank you terrapin, lets not make this another thread about that crap, and idiotic comments about you hope somebody gets hurt. As for Palmer, you cant help but think back to Thiesman when stuff like this happens. Obviously, its not that serious, but you hate to see a young great talent get hurt like that. I think for sure he will be back, I just hope it doesnt become an every year problem for him.
posted by steelcityguy at 07:59 AM on January 13, 2006
I saw the replay ... that hit was cheap as hell ... yes he was trying to sack him but when you're on your hands and knees and sacking him requires diving into his knee ... its time to pull up. BS. He was headed after Palmer and got blocked knocking him into the knee at a weird angle. It was no cheap shot and definately not done intentionally. I alwyas hated that abotu Cincy fans of all sports, bunch of damned crybabies.
posted by scottypup at 08:24 AM on January 13, 2006
HEY MIKE MCD...Just my opinion, like your comment was your opinion, but I think youre an a**hole! Its clear that you know nothing about football, if you did, you would realize it was a clean hit. Kimo was blocked into Palmer, he saw a leg and grabbed it. Kimo had no idea where the play was heading. He did what every defensive played would do and is taught to do. To top things off, Palmer along with the NFL front office have seen the play and said it was clean He's hoping karma catches up to YOU somehow, and I hope to God I hear about it you jerk!
posted by LiveWithIt at 08:32 AM on January 13, 2006
Maybe you need to open both eyes or put your glasses on. That was not even close to being a cheap shot. I'd think if Palmer knows it was not a cheap shot, it would be time to let it drop.
posted by Buckfever14 at 08:41 AM on January 13, 2006
Hey LiveWithIt... do you know what an ad hominem logical fallacy is? Its when you attack the person instead of the argument because you can't refute the argument. I stand behind what I said (and please note I didn't say the hit was intentional ... I said it was cheap ... i.e. Kimo has a 1 in 100 chance of sacking Palmer ... he should have just let it go) I know football. Kimo was doing his typical motor never stops crawling on all fours trying to get to Palmer. I think it's self evident that Kimo should have pulled up. The fact stands that Kimo didn't sack Palmer. He didn't even stop the completion. All he did was destroy Palmer's knee. That's a tragic mistake ... not a good play. p.s. I'm a Dallas fan.
posted by Mike McD at 08:46 AM on January 13, 2006
LiveWithit: STFU. All you do is attack people. Your comments seem to be deleted more often than not. Take the hint. I disagree with Mike McD, but I would NEVER call him names.
posted by scully at 09:08 AM on January 13, 2006
Seconded. Mike McD may be right or wrong, but he brings something to the table other than name-calling. Stop it.
posted by yerfatma at 09:20 AM on January 13, 2006
A blow knee? That really sucks. Remember Ki Janna Carter?? I bought about one million rookie cards when he came out of Penn State. Anybody need confetti? Sorry Carson, good luck healing, you're driving the card collecting industry into a downward spiral....
posted by whatswhat at 09:47 AM on January 13, 2006
Mike McD, can you clarify the difference you see between "cheap" and "intentional"? The way I see it, if Kimo should have pulled up then he could have pulled up, making it, by your reasoning, intentional. Am I missing something here?
posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 09:49 AM on January 13, 2006
I think that the person who injuryed palmer wasn't really to blame because he was on the offense of lineman trying to get to him then the lineman backed up and he slipped and fell into his knee. the steelers got lucky for the last time this season and they will go down this weekend. i thought it was kind of funny that him and his brother jordan hurt the same knee in a game in the same week
posted by strrandrew at 10:12 AM on January 13, 2006
I think this pretty much sums up my opinion on the hit (granted, its the writer of Bengals.com's opinion, but I think its a good one none the less). saying it was a bad or questionable hit doesn't equal saying it was dirty or the injury was intentional or that Kimo's a bad guy. Good guys do bad things in the heat of the moment. If Kimo had just fallen and rolled into Palmer's leg, I'd have no problem. The grabbing of the ankle and driving of the shoulder is what makes it questionable to me. And, cut us Cincinnati fans some slack. We just had the Bengals best season in 15 years basically ended on the second offensive play in the first playoff game. That leaves a lot of pain and woulda'-coulda' room. I thought the chances were better than average that they would loose but not like that. Hasn't been a good week for ACLs in Cincy.
posted by srw12 at 10:16 AM on January 13, 2006
the steelers got lucky for the last time this season and they will go down this weekend easy strrandewfus, I can't think back to too many "lucky" things this season, and theres no team that is unbeatable, especially in the playoffs
posted by steelcityguy at 10:35 AM on January 13, 2006
I agree with steelcityguy. Don't be surprised if Pittsburgh is in the AFC Championship game, where anything can happen.
posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 11:28 AM on January 13, 2006
Don't be surprised if Pittsburgh is in the AFC Championship game, where anything can happen. Right! It can get won on a Vinatieri field goal, a Dillon or Faulk run, a Samuels pick and run back, a fumble recovery by Bruschi, or a pass completion to Vrabel! Hee hee hee,
posted by lil_brown_bat at 11:30 AM on January 13, 2006
No one, including Palmer, agrees with you This guy does.
posted by tselson at 11:32 AM on January 13, 2006
You're funny, lbb. Very funny. Maybe it's because my wife and in-laws are Steelers fans...I dunno...but I have this sneaking suspicion Pittsburgh is going to the Super Bowl. It should be noted that about 90% of my SpoFi predicted winners end up on the scrap heap. Maybe I should just pick Washington to go to Super Bowl and get rid of a team I strongly dislike.
posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 11:37 AM on January 13, 2006
*laughing at notion of pittsburgh in superbowl*
posted by ninjavshippo at 11:51 AM on January 13, 2006
We just had the Bengals best season in 15 years basically ended on the second offensive play in the first playoff game I'm curious how Carson Palmer would have stopped the Steelers offense in the second half? My second thought when Palmer went down (after oh shit that looks bad) was now the Bengals fans have an excuse when they lose.
posted by scottypup at 11:58 AM on January 13, 2006
Hey ScottyPup... Why don't we ask Ben Roethlisberger what he thinks?? "From what I heard, he said he got pushed or tripped or something; but anytime you go low on a quarterback, you know it's a little dirty." -Ben Roethlisberger, 12/7/05 Watch when you start calling other teams whiny crybabies that the same thing doesn't apply to your squad.
posted by LostInDaJungle at 12:00 PM on January 13, 2006
mike mcd i have seen the replay, many times and i don't think it was a cheap shot. this looked to be more of an accident than joe theisman's injury or even byron leftwich. cincy's own player was helping van offen to the ground. you don't just stop 300 lbs of falling mass. and if it takes hands and knees to get it done than so be it. it's the playoffs.
posted by skydive at 12:11 PM on January 13, 2006
He was low because he had gotten his legs taken out in a block and was still trying to get to the the QB. The blocker pushed him some more and he fell into Palmers legs. Big difference. You guys are making it sound like he came n and dove at his knee. Like I said nothing but excuses.
posted by scottypup at 12:13 PM on January 13, 2006
He wrapped up and twisted with his shoulder against the knee, watch it again.
posted by mick at 01:14 PM on January 13, 2006
Reason Big Ben stank against the Pats last year?? Worn down from flu. Reason he lost to Indy earlier this year, It was too loud, they cheated. Reason he lost to Bengals earlier this year? A shot he called "dirty" but that was shown by most of the world to be a blatant case of a guy being tripped. When you lost to the Ravens... Well, that was Tommy Maddox... If Ben was healthy we would have won. ScotttyPup, the Steelers and Ben are the biggest bunch of excuse makers the world has ever known. Again, it's a lovely color of black your wearing Ms. Kettle. "let it go... we aren't going to sit there and baby and cry like their quarterback" ~Marvin Lewis FYI, the Blocker did not "push him some more". The blocker released him and Kimo dived. I'm willing to say it wasn't intentional, but I don't like hearing a bunch of hypocritical nonsense from the other side of the fence. You keep whining about how whiny Bengals fans are... Can't you appreciate the Irony? I'm really disappointed to see so many Steelers fans take great joy in kicking people when they're down. I used to think the team and it's fans were a class act.
posted by LostInDaJungle at 01:33 PM on January 13, 2006
how can it be a cheap shot when the BACK of his shoulder hit Palmer's knee. He didn't even know he hit him till the play was over. Oh, really? Please.
posted by tselson at 02:29 PM on January 13, 2006
I'm curious how Carson Palmer would have stopped the Steelers offense in the second half? By continuing to pile on the points Like he did last game, there-by forcing the Steelers to throw more which is pretty much how the Bengals won in December. I'm not making excuses. Don't count me with the "We would have won" folks but our chances of winning went from "pretty even" to somewhere between slim and "snowball in hell" after Palmer went down. Sure they could have still won with Kitna but he would have needed a lot of help because well, let's face it, Sharky's no Carson Palmer Why is the concept of an offense's perfomance helping its defense (especially a weak one like Cincinnati's) so difficult to grasp. You think Manning and his offense isn't an important part of the Colts' defense (yes, I said defense).
posted by srw12 at 02:38 PM on January 13, 2006
Reason he lost to Indy earlier this year, It was too loud, they cheated. First game back from knee surgery may have also played a role, but there's no talking sense with some people. Anyone want some cheese with their whine? The man whose knee was injured (Palmer) has stated that it wasn't a dirty hit. That ends it.
posted by scully at 02:39 PM on January 13, 2006
Again it's defense that wins football games, and it's the Bengal's lack of it that lost that game, not the absence of Palmer. As a matter of fact when Kitna came into the game he had just as much success as Palmer and the Bengals had a decent lead. Pittsburgh began to control the game defensively which may have been somewhat tougher against Palmer, but offensively they destroyed the Bengals. Blame the defense for letting the game get away from them. Look at the Pittsburgh time of possession. No QB can help you when your defense is on the field most of the game and getting their ass run over. I am not a fan of either team just calling it like I see it. Tough break for Bengal fans, thats football. Guys get hurt. No cheap shot, as a matter of fact look at the replay, Kimo was devestated that Palmer was hurt. No good team wants to win that way. Good teams want to beat the best players the other team has to offer not give them excuses. Football is the ultimate in team sports and the good teams win through adversity. Tom Brady, Ben Rothisberger, Brad Johnson, Kyle Orton, and many other quarterbacks have lead good teams when the number one guy went down. Some have actually replaced the main man. Kitna is a competent QB and Bengal fans should be looking at their defense, their offensive front line and the absence of big mouthed Chad Johnson, because on a championship calibre team those are the guys who needed to really step up when Palmer went down.
posted by Atheist at 02:42 PM on January 13, 2006
it's the Bengal's lack of it that lost that game ...exactly, no one's denying that they lost because they couldn't stop the Steelers when it counted, well at least I'm not. This team hasn't had a defense since the bye week. They won games with offense (defense wins championships... football games can be won by offense. look at the Colts the last 2 or 3 years or the Rams when they won the Super Bowl a while ago). Losing their top offensive weapon prevented them from having a chance. Any Bengals fan know its only a matter of time before Kitna starts bouncing passes off linebackers. Kimo was devestated that Palmer was hurt ... You've never done anything intentionally that you immediately regretted? If so you're a better man than I. I don't think it was necessarily intentional either but Kimo being devestated doesn't prove anything beyond Kimo having a conscience. and Kyle Orton couldn't lead a horse to water. That's like saying Trent Dilfer lead the Ravens to the Super Bowl...
posted by srw12 at 03:08 PM on January 13, 2006
Kyle Orton could do what?!? Atheist what have you been smoking? The only games that Orton played well enough in to even lead a team to a .500 finsih were the games against the Lions and that isn't saying much.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 04:33 PM on January 13, 2006
Personal: Given name is Kyle Raymond Orton ... born Nov. 14, 1982 ... history major ... can throw a football 73 or 74 yards "if I get into one" ... out-threw NFL quarterback Jon Kitna at Purdue's Elite Quarterback Camp during summer of 2000 ... I'd take Orton over Kitna, or as he's known in Cincy, Noodlearm Smurfhands. Let's also not forget that Steelers players were over on the sidelines jumping up and down with joy when Palmer got hurt. Truly a low point in the history of the franchise.
posted by LostInDaJungle at 04:41 PM on January 13, 2006
Let's also not forget that Steelers players were over on the sidelines jumping up and down with joy when Palmer got hurt. Dude, this is total crap. Quit drinking the Kool-Aid. I watched the game and many Steelers players were seen praying for the guy. Geez.
posted by scully at 04:52 PM on January 13, 2006
anybody that thinks that Palmer is done is just flat0out stupid. Palmer will be back next season, and he will win MVP. He will alsolead us to the afc championship. So shut up about Carson, he is the best we have ever had, and he has a great career in- front of him.
posted by buettner09 at 04:59 PM on January 13, 2006
...best we have ever had... Kenny Anderson (Superbowl 1982), Boomer. What were they, chopped liver? Awful early in Palmers' career to say that, don't you think?
posted by skydivedad at 05:34 PM on January 13, 2006
Kyle Orton could do what?!? Atheist what have you been smoking? The only games that Orton played well enough in to even lead a team to a .500 finsih were the games against the Lions and that isn't saying much. posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 4:33 PM CST on January 13 Well no matter how Orton played, he did enough in a leader role of quarterback to win 10 games which in my humble calculations is over .500. The Bears have a very good defense but the offense had to put something on the board to win the games. Even if it was just getting close enough to kick a field goal, it helps. Out of curiosity - how many games did Joey Harrington win? I am really tired of hearing how Orton didn't do his job. He is a rookie and his team won 10 games with him. I think he did his job!
posted by skydivemom at 06:26 PM on January 13, 2006
how many games did Joey Harrington win? More than Jeff Garcia. As for Kyle Orton, he didn't lead the team to victory with his play, as Brady and Rothisberger were able to. However, it is true that he did his job.
posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 09:00 PM on January 13, 2006
He did lead his team to victory the same way Ben Roethlisberger did, by minimizing mistakes using a scaled-back playbook. Brady's situation was not the same.
posted by scully at 07:49 AM on January 14, 2006
do you know what an ad hominem logical fallacy is? Its when you attack the person instead of the argument because you can't refute the argum If you don't like ad hominems or non sequiturs, than this is not a good place to visit. How boring the internet communities would be if everything was an agreed upon pre established fact presented in a logically sound fasion! Yikes .Beyond that the NFL community is very tight. Nobody would intentionally blow out somebodies knee. Retribution is to easy to follow. Do you know what a " low bridge " cut block is? The defensive lineman in the NFL are well aware of it. Knock a guy unconscious?... hell yeah!...end a guys career by attacking his knee?... no way! not acceptable for any reason, winning included!
posted by gronir_ hitrops at 10:30 AM on January 14, 2006
If you don't like ad hominems or non sequiturs, than this is not a good place to visit. Actually, gronir -- if you'll pardon the digression -- we probably have as many non sequiturs as any other site, but if someone does like ad hominems, there are other sports forums where they'd be better off. From the new user guidelines: We trust the members of the community to treat others with the respect you would afford yourself. If you’re accustomed to other sports forums, take note: This site is not a place for trash-talking fans to repeatedly proclaim that their team rocks and someone else’s team sucks. One of the things that many of us value most about the site is the way it exposes us to more than the same-ol'-same-ol' in sports: we find ourselves reading (and appreciating) posts and comments about different sports than we usually follow, or points of view that we haven't really considered (or have maybe considered previously and discarded). This is only possible if we make an effort to keep the personal attacks down to a dull roar. It's functional, IOW.
posted by lil_brown_bat at 04:04 PM on January 14, 2006
but if someone does like ad hominems, there are other sports forums where they'd be better off. they may want to check out- myteamrocksyourteamsucksfilter.net and whatthefuckdoyouknowanyhow.org
posted by gronir_ hitrops at 10:50 PM on January 14, 2006
Palmer is tough. He'll be back i bet.