January 16, 2007

Dude. : Come on.

posted by jerseygirl to navel gazing at 10:42 AM - 112 comments

The homo comment, aside from the lunatic raving and ranting, was a bit much.

posted by jerseygirl at 10:42 AM on January 16

I've already made my suggestion. Though, to be fair, my punishment would be to have all my comments signed "EckIsCaptainScrappy!".

posted by grum@work at 11:22 AM on January 16

The Locker Room is an area to discuss topics specifically about the site: bugs, the quality of front page links, feature suggestions, and fantasy leagues our members participate in. (Donít discuss etiquette issues hereóif you have a complaint about a memberís conduct, contact us.

posted by qbert72 at 11:30 AM on January 16

At the risk of offending qbert, I agree with grum. This is the worst one in a long time. Although this probably annoys me more. The Bears who were they thought we were if you want to crown them then crown their ass anyhow Rex is technically a rookie and will always make mistakes like ALL quarterbacks do he is maturing and I thought he played a good game yesterday the interception was not his fault but the fumble was as far as his play this year it's been up and down at the best and Chicago's fans are in an uproar about this but I have just one thing to say about this If the Bears would've lost yesterday it would not have been sexy rexy's fault it woul've been the defense's fault go figure

posted by hawkguy at 11:39 AM on January 16

qbert, the guidelines say we can discuss FPP quality in the lockerroom. I presume that would include comments in FPPs that suck, like the deluge in the Chargers thread that fit that bill.

posted by jerseygirl at 11:51 AM on January 16

(Donít discuss etiquette issues hereóif you have a complaint about a memberís conduct, contact us. There is a missing parenthesis at the top of locker room page.

posted by SummersEve at 12:04 PM on January 16

Joined yesterday and made 23 comments. That's a voluminous pace. He'll break all my records. He's a shouter and a homer right now, but at least he writes sentences. There's a contributor in there somewhere - I can feel it.

posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 12:12 PM on January 16

He just seems to antagonize for the sake of antagonizing. I agree that at least he has a grasp of the English language, although he's just making himself look the fool now.

posted by jerseygirl at 12:17 PM on January 16

I'm going to give Hellamarine a little more rope. He's getting closer to the realization there are rules here, and unlike some newbies understands basic sentence punctuation and spacing.

posted by rcade at 12:19 PM on January 16

Unless something got deleted, I don't get your call out. Sure, he's opinionated, but I don't see anything obviously offensive. What am I missing here?

posted by NoMich at 12:30 PM on January 16

I guess it's that he's not a Patriots fan.

posted by mbd1 at 12:32 PM on January 16

The homo comment, aside from the lunatic raving and ranting, was a bit much. Yeah, the homo comment is over the line. I didn't see it until now.

posted by justgary at 12:33 PM on January 16

So all you Brady-homos can KMA! I don't give a shit about his anti-Patriots sentiment actually, mbd.

posted by jerseygirl at 12:35 PM on January 16

Ohhhh, he's taking homophobic shits on our site. Not cool.

posted by NoMich at 12:43 PM on January 16

Really browns the meat, don't it?

posted by yerfatma at 01:08 PM on January 16

My favorite part is when BornIcon quoted Yukon and hellamarine thought it was Yukon replying again to harass him.

posted by jerseygirl at 01:09 PM on January 16

Probably figured turning "kiss my ass" into an acronym would keep it kid friendly. on preview JG: works for me

posted by YukonGold at 01:10 PM on January 16

Oh you say that now because it's all cool with you guys and you're off to get Bud Lights. Me, I'm not getting an apology! Oh heavens.

posted by jerseygirl at 01:13 PM on January 16

try using an emoticon.

posted by YukonGold at 01:18 PM on January 16

JG, I apprectiate your efforts. Have you ever noticed how some people have different ideas about sarcasm? I didn't realize that "All you Brady-homos can KMA!" could be construed as sarcasm.

posted by hawkguy at 01:18 PM on January 16

Something to do with tossed salads, I think. Ironic, anyway.

posted by yerfatma at 02:07 PM on January 16

Maybe he meant it in a serious single-entendre way. Perhaps his till-now-unspoken dream is to have some strapping young (newly single!) playoff quarterback hunker down, pucker on up and give his A a big ole K. And he thought this was the Boston-area Craigslist. It could happen.

posted by chicobangs at 02:19 PM on January 16

Yeah, I would say that that qualifies as irony.

posted by hawkguy at 02:20 PM on January 16

Sorry chico. Word out of the Herald this morning is that Tom Brady is dating Giselle.

posted by jerseygirl at 02:23 PM on January 16

Not interested.

posted by YukonGold at 02:25 PM on January 16

" . . . the Victoriaís Secretís sweetheart was in the company of Tomís go-to guy Will McDonough" Thank God for the extra L. I was confused to hell.

posted by yerfatma at 02:42 PM on January 16

I'm going to give Hellamarine a little more rope. He's getting closer to the realization there are rules here, and unlike some newbies understands basic sentence punctuation and spacing. Since you said that, he's posted 84 more times. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but it sure seems like he has.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 02:43 PM on January 16

What's the matter, TBH? No one kissin' your butt?

posted by jerseygirl at 02:49 PM on January 16

Bummer. Hey jerseygirl, maybe Sexy Rexy would serve as a second choice. Smoochy smoochy!

posted by chicobangs at 03:23 PM on January 16

Honestly, just seeing Tom on the TV, I'm filled with a warm glow. That and something squishy.

posted by yerfatma at 03:32 PM on January 16

I like to think of SpoFi as a group of fans gathered in the neighborhood bar, talking sports over a few cold ones. Maybe the discussion gets a little loud, but nobody is obnoxious, and there are no personal attacks beyond the normal "dissing" between friends. While we are sitting there, somebody at the next table jumps into the discussion. He (or she) might know a little about the subject, but this person wants only to impose his opinion on the others. I might add to the description that this guy has probably had more than a few too many. I suggest that we might want to get the management of the bar to take some action with this guy before some of the more passionate among us do. Weedy has a point; the guy does at least write coherent English sentences. Maybe there's some hope here, but when he says something to the effect that he's "not the one with a problem", I fear that there's not much left to work with.

posted by Howard_T at 03:34 PM on January 16

and something squishy Damn that Indian buffet!

posted by garfield at 03:35 PM on January 16

You guys can get chutney squishies at your Indian buffets up there in Canadialand? I'm jealous.

posted by NoMich at 03:40 PM on January 16

What's the matter, TBH? No one kissin' your butt? Actually, that's why I shelled out $19.95 for this handy-dandy Ronco Automatic Sphincter Smoocher. Just keep fresh batteries in it, and it discreetly does its job all day long, making you feel like "The Man!" Operators are standing by now!

posted by The_Black_Hand at 03:42 PM on January 16

This is the worst one in a long time. No, piranha.

posted by tron7 at 03:50 PM on January 16

Shit in a hurry.

posted by yerfatma at 04:53 PM on January 16

qbert, the guidelines say we can discuss FPP quality in the lockerroom. I presume that would include comments in FPPs that suck, like the deluge in the Chargers thread that fit that bill. Then what would fall under the category of "etiquette issues" that are to be taken to e-mail? From where I sit, at least one of four things needs to be done here: 1. Change the rule 2. Enforce the rule 3. Explain the rule 4. Close the damn parens Personally, I vote for #4. It's like going to a party and, no matter how hard to try to tell him, the host just refuses to zip up his fly.

posted by BullpenPro at 04:58 PM on January 16

The etiquette issue threads are what make the locker room interesting.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 05:21 PM on January 16

I always thought it was the cologne bar.

posted by YukonGold at 05:56 PM on January 16

Then what would fall under the category of "etiquette issues" that are to be taken to e-mail? From where I sit, at least one of four things needs to be done here: I'm with BullpenPro on this one. This thread was created to discuss a certain new user. The evidence is that the link is to a user profile, not to a comment or to a thread gone bad.

posted by MrFrisby at 06:09 PM on January 16

This this thread was specifically about a certain new user, link to profile made in the initial comments, but no one complained about that one. It had all the same participants as today's thread and not a word was said condoning it. That wasn't the first time a thread was created about a user either.

posted by jerseygirl at 06:24 PM on January 16

Tread carefully, lest this lovely litttle spot turn into a hellish pit of bile.

posted by dusted at 06:37 PM on January 16

Qbert has brought up this situation before, but it never got discussed though. I don't why it says, if you have a complaint about a memberís conduct, contact us, but it does. I guess I would just like an explanation. I do know that twice I have used the contact us link and never recieved a response, so I have no idea if it even works. Is that why these threads are allowed/ not deleted? Am I (and BullpenPro) misunderstanding what that "rule" means? I am not saying I am against them. At least with a thread we all get to read rcade's and justgary's response.

posted by MrFrisby at 07:25 PM on January 16

For as long as I can remember, Contact Us has not worked and it's always said "if you have a complaint about.... contact us" at the top of the page. And I don't fault anyone; SpoFi is a continual work in progress. Hell, the About Page doesn't even link to the new guidelines, new members don't get filtered through the new guidelines either. And please don't misconstrue this as a knock on the Pantheon or a whine about everything not being absolutely perfect. Like I said, the site is a constant work in progress. So what's the real problem, Frisby? That I didn't link to the thread and instead linked to his posting history? Grum linked to the thread in the second comment. Certainly, that would have pointed you in the direction of the problem.

posted by jerseygirl at 07:48 PM on January 16

It has been shown that a single user can bring down one or many threads. I think that if such a user is present, it is neccesary to call attention to him/her and figure something out. I'm with frisby in that I've never recieved a reply after using the contact form. Therefore, it seems neccesary to discuss these issues in the Locker Room. The admins obviously read these threads, and concerns or complaints placed here seem to be listened to. Additionally, it doesn't make sense to have a problem to linking to a profile rather than a specific thread. Chances are the comment[s] under review are quite recent and still viewable on the profile page.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 08:10 PM on January 16

JG, for my part, I'm not picking on you. The rule to which qbert pointed gets flaunted plenty, and you definitely have precedent on your side, no question. As you said, the site is a work in progress. Pointing out this discrepancy between the rule as it's stated and the degree to which it is ignored and unenforced simply brings to light an inconsistency that the Pantheon can give whatever priority they choose on their to-do list. I don't personally agree with YYM -- I find the discussion in these threads to often devolve toward cliquishness and gossipyness, but they do seem to serve a purpose that following the rules as stated apparently does not. I mainly click into them to make sure the "Dude" isn't me. I imagine that Frisby is like me in that I wouldn't have brought it up at all if the discussion hadn't been introduced. And qbert was certainly not out of line in pointing to a rule as stated and wondering what it means. And you cannot be faulted for using a means to an end that has a good success rate historically. And the Pantheon, I'm sure, have plenty to do before getting to this really very minor issue.

posted by BullpenPro at 08:35 PM on January 16

I imagine that Frisby is like me in that I wouldn't have brought it up at all if the discussion hadn't been introduced. Exactly, thanks BPP. I'm not picking on you either, jerseygirl, I know that you have good intentions. I'm just wondering what the deal-lio is. I know that there is precedent to show that this thread is permissible, but I think rcade gave us a good example of how to express a concern without calling out the specific member. We all knew who rcade was referring to, but we didn't give him/her the dignity of being a martyr.

posted by MrFrisby at 09:57 PM on January 16

Well, the guy caused a bit of a train wreck in that one thread, violated the guidelines, and he's posting too much ... but I'm with those who suggest giving him some more time. Other than that one thread he's been coherent and constructive. On the other issue ... Not too long ago I had a locker room thread deleted that was making a similar complaint about an even bigger idiot. As far as I know the warning at the top of the locker room (don't discuss member behaviour) is still in force.

posted by Amateur at 10:03 PM on January 16

Similar, deleted locker room posts (one by me, one not): 1050: lilnemo vs budpatient 1005: amateur vs blogzilla

posted by Amateur at 10:17 PM on January 16

We don't want the locker room turning into metatalk (for those familiar with metafilter) where there's constant bickering between the same members over and over again. It hasn't been a problem so far and we certainly won't let it become one. That said, jerseygirl obviously felt there was a problem and with the admin email not working you can't blame her for bringing it here. We're gonna get the admin email working (I promise).

posted by justgary at 12:20 AM on January 17

thanks BPP, Fris, Gary. BPP, Fris -- I certainly understand your points.

posted by jerseygirl at 06:26 AM on January 17

I find the discussion in these threads to often devolve toward cliquishness and gossipyness Seconded. I love MetaTalk for the gory flameouts and high-strung dramatics, but the last thing this site needs is to appear more insular.

posted by yerfatma at 06:27 AM on January 17

Well, I don't have much to add. Everyone has raised very good points. I've used the contact form a couple of times in recent months, and always got a prompt reply from rcade. I think we've avoided all-out MetaTalk-ness strictly because we don't invite the members we want to talk about to participate in the discussion. I highlighted the rule because I remember rcade saying a couple of times that actively preventing etiquette discussions was the best decision the Pantheon made. (Obviously, I can't link to any of these comments, because they're in the deleted archives. Archives, archives, we all scream for archives!

posted by qbert72 at 08:35 AM on January 17

Well now I'm confused. Gary said the email doesn't work, qbert says it works.

posted by jerseygirl at 09:02 AM on January 17

Jg, I know it use to not work, and it didn't work for some time. I actually do think it's working now, but I'll check.

posted by justgary at 09:31 AM on January 17

*weilds torch and trusty pitchfork* hey guys, i'm here...wait, we're not lynching anyone? *lights doob with torch*

posted by dfleming at 10:28 AM on January 17

Well, hell, I guess we could convert the gallows to a catapult, and start chucking rotten pumpkins at those fuckers over at Deadspin. /puffs, puffs, gives

posted by The_Black_Hand at 10:57 AM on January 17

Archives, archives, we all scream for archives! Can we get a Locker Room search too? It took me forever (ok, it was 20 minutes, but still) to find this gem by Weedy.

posted by MrFrisby at 10:57 AM on January 17

I roflmao'd after reading that. Bit of advice for all y'all, don't ever make a sandwich with mayo past the expiration date.

posted by apoch at 11:11 AM on January 17

Jeebus, He's still rambling on and on over there. I'm putting a motion on the floor to boycott that entire thread. Any seconds?

posted by hawkguy at 11:58 AM on January 17

Not me. I love a rainy night.

posted by yerfatma at 01:19 PM on January 17

Sing it to me Eddie.

posted by YukonGold at 01:45 PM on January 17

Any interest in a piŮa colada?

posted by yerfatma at 01:55 PM on January 17

My heart is on fire for Elvira.

posted by BullpenPro at 02:07 PM on January 17

the Pina Colada song was Rupert Holmes?

posted by jerseygirl at 03:16 PM on January 17

Yep. I'm impressed jg. He also made the charts with another crappy song called "Him." What few brain cells I have that aren't taken with useless sports trivia are taken by even more useless music trivia and song lyrics.

posted by hawkguy at 03:22 PM on January 17

Oh, yeah...BPP - Giddy-up ah oom papa oom papa mau mau.

posted by hawkguy at 03:23 PM on January 17

Him him him... what's she gonna do about him?

posted by jerseygirl at 04:04 PM on January 17

As a newbie, I have witnessed a few spirit dampening rebuttals by some of the tribal elders on this site. Perhaps its an extention of human nature that allows one to think they can bend some rules due to length of service in the group. I take it in stride however it doesn't set a welcoming tone nor promote expansion of the membership. I feel respect is not a one way street.

posted by danjel at 04:17 PM on January 17

Can you link to such instances?

posted by jerseygirl at 04:53 PM on January 17

Because you don't believe danjel or because you want to see the comments? And occassionally we're just plain assholes to new people. (Which sometimes I don't mind and sometimes actively participate in.) From the Weedy comment which was perfect IMHO.

posted by tron7 at 05:18 PM on January 17

And occassionally we're just plain assholes to new people. I saw it as an initiation rite. Although it might certainly have been a response to my being an idiot.

posted by BullpenPro at 05:47 PM on January 17

I think that we can sometimes serve as a wakeup call to newer users and I know getting more or less yelled at helped me out. However, I find that when several people pile on somebody it may have the result that danjel indicates. However, without the rebuttals, how are these users supposed to get the idea about what is tolerated on the site?

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 06:00 PM on January 17

Every comment about someones lack of spelling/grammer reminds me to keep my mouth shut. (or keyboard out of reach at least)

posted by Folkways at 06:42 PM on January 17

Because you don't believe danjel or because you want to see the comments? Maybe I just like the way he writes and want to see him post more so I am requesting more posts to drive up his post count. Maybe I am trying to get him to break his keyboard. Not that it matters why I wanted to know... but my reasoning was that I wanted to see what exactly dampened his spirits. It's likely an opportunity for danjel and all of us to come to the table and learn something from each other.

posted by jerseygirl at 06:54 PM on January 17

STFU n00b.

posted by yerfatma at 07:51 PM on January 17

It does matter why you wanted to know. "Can you link to such instances because I don't believe any exist" is alot different than, "Can you link to such instances because I want to know what dampened your spirits". Sorry, I really didn't know and the former would have been a spirit dampening rebuttal.

posted by tron7 at 07:54 PM on January 17

Way to go, danjel, now you've pissed everybody off. You suck, man.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 08:05 PM on January 17

You really know how to dampen my spirits, tron.

posted by jerseygirl at 08:11 PM on January 17

The fact that danjel thinks we dampen people's spirits dampens my spirit.

posted by Ying Yang Mafia at 08:15 PM on January 17

That smells like teen spirit.

posted by MrFrisby at 08:37 PM on January 17

I'm sorry.

posted by tron7 at 09:27 PM on January 17

aww! puppy!

posted by jerseygirl at 10:16 PM on January 17

Way to go, danjel, now you've pissed everybody off. You suck, man. I feel part of the group now, thanks.

posted by danjel at 12:26 AM on January 18

Aww! Toyota!

posted by The_Black_Hand at 04:13 AM on January 18

I should've closed this thread, but I've been a little preoccupied since the MGM's intellectual property firm opened a branch office up my ass. We don't want individuals to face public scrutiny for their behavior. I feel so strongly about this that I closed the parenthesis. To retain a sense of balance in the universe, I opened my fly.

posted by rcade at 12:37 PM on January 18

I should've closed this thread, but I've been a little preoccupied since the MGM's intellectual property firm opened a branch office up my ass. I heard that facility has an amazing tennis court and gym. Not to mention the research and development wing...

posted by jerseygirl at 12:42 PM on January 18

It does have some cons. It is seriously devoid of natural lighting. The view isn't the most scenic. Although that does have the effect of devauling corner offices and making the work place more eglatarian.

posted by apoch at 12:46 PM on January 18

) Closing mine

posted by qbert72 at 12:47 PM on January 18

I heard that facility has an amazing tennis court and gym. Not to mention the research and development wing... I like the skeet range, myself, but I'm also partial to the equestrian course and the ice skating rink. We don't want individuals to face public scrutiny for their behavior. Okay, then, let's open a place where such scrutiny can take place...if not here in the sanctity of the Locker Room, then how about over there, behind the doors of...the Mocker Room? You gotta admit, it's got a nice ring. It really just rolls off the tongue.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 12:47 PM on January 18

I need to stop skipping to the last line of posts. I thought TBH's last line was still on about rcade's new branch orifice.

posted by Mr Bismarck at 12:52 PM on January 18

no, you read that right. TBH wants to open the Mockerroom up rcade's ass.

posted by jerseygirl at 12:54 PM on January 18

Wouldn't the Mocker Room be a little drafty though? You know, with rcade's fly being open and all.

posted by MrFrisby at 12:57 PM on January 18

rcade's pants are on back to front?

posted by Mr Bismarck at 01:16 PM on January 18

He's like Kriss Kross, except with glasses.

posted by jerseygirl at 01:18 PM on January 18

and a big ole pope hat.

posted by chicobangs at 01:33 PM on January 18

Is this covered in the guidelines?

posted by Mr Bismarck at 01:35 PM on January 18

) Just for good measure

posted by YukonGold at 02:00 PM on January 18

all fun aside, the boy needs to be booted . no excuse for that behavior.

posted by texasred at 12:51 AM on January 19

As a newbie, I have witnessed a few spirit dampening rebuttals by some of the tribal elders on this site. Perhaps its an extention of human nature that allows one to think they can bend some rules due to length of service in the group. posted by danjel I don't think that's limited to sportsfilter. I'm not saying it's right, but I think it's perfectly normal for most communities, internet and otherwise. Members spend a lot of time building up the community and become protective of it. Communities get a lot of new members that join, cause trouble, and then leave, especially on a site like sportsfilter. But if new members stay and contribute it won't be long until you're accepted. Sportsfilter is far more polite and 'nice' than many other internet communities. Every comment about someones lack of spelling/grammer reminds me to keep my mouth shut. (or keyboard out of reach at least) posted by Folkways Really? I haven't seen that. Spelling as mentioned in the guidelines has more to do with not caring and aol speak. Not putting a single punctuation mark in a paragraph is a sign of not caring. We're asking members to care enough to form complete sentences, use at least a minimum amount of punctuation, and use real words. That goes to the quality of the site, and that's a good thing.

posted by justgary at 02:36 AM on January 19

I think one of the keys to the success of an online community is to get people to care enough to defend it. The challenge then becomes keeping the caring people from slaughtering outsiders without mercy. The SportsFilter contact e-mail page works -- just got another one this morning -- so use it when a new member needs a house call from Dr. Banhammer.

posted by rcade at 07:31 AM on January 19

so use it when a new member needs a house call from Dr. Banhammer. Whooo hooo! The Doctor is IN.

posted by willthrill72 at 08:52 AM on January 19

I still remember back in my early days on SpoFi when I wasn't aware of the site's international membership. I made an extremely foolhardy comment about the "haughty Brits" on a thread about the Kraft family having interest in buying an EPL franchise, and the thread quickly turned into a UK-based Venicemenace smackdown. Quite frankly, I deserved it and I definitely got a self-effacing laugh out of it. I don't think you can have an effective forum of this type if people are afraid to call other people out for idiotic comments. As long as it doesn't get personal or cruel, and the bashing doesn't carry over to other threads, I feel that it's all good. I've been accused of being a "grammar Nazi" in the past, but I feel strongly that writing in complete sentences with appropriate punctuation is a skill that virtually every member here possesses. I think SpoFi should be proud of its commitment to a basic grammatical standard. Let's not go overboard, bashing people for a misspelled word or split infinitive, but AOL-speak is the enemy of civilized discourse.

posted by Venicemenace at 09:09 AM on January 19

I LIKE MES THE SPORTSFULTER!!!

posted by 86 at 09:37 AM on January 19

Jerseygirl, he's not worth your time. That seems to be the only thread he's actively in. I love how he hides his insults in the middle of skewed Brady-related statistics, but I think it's time to give up on him and the thread, and go back to the Ron Mexico name generator thread. Best one in a while.

posted by hawkguy at 09:47 AM on January 19

I know. I didn't reply dragging the issue back up, but let my last comment on the matter be tongue-in-cheek.

posted by jerseygirl at 09:49 AM on January 19

Really? I haven't seen that. Spelling as mentioned in the guidelines has more to do with not caring and aol speak. Not putting a single punctuation mark in a paragraph is a sign of not caring. JustGary, My comment was more tongue in cheek than an actual complaint or major deterrence to me posting comments. When I feel compeled to comment on a topic I typicily type it in Word, check it for grammer and spelling then cut and paste. Just a matter of knowing i'm a poor speller and even worse writer. if your in the P'cola area this year durring the mullett toss over at the Florabama perhaps we could meet for lunch one day or something, not to mention WSP is playing 2 days at the new Orange beach ampatheater, I know im way off track now so ttfn.

posted by Folkways at 10:26 AM on January 19

When I feel compeled to comment on a topic I typicily type it in Word, check it for grammer and spelling then cut and paste. Bah, you should be checking less and writing more :) if your in the P'cola area this year durring the mullett toss over at the Florabama perhaps we could meet for lunch one day or something Cool, I'll email you.

posted by justgary at 12:46 PM on January 19

and use real words. Oh burgleflickle!

posted by tron7 at 01:42 PM on January 19

and use real words Otherwise, it's just a traveshamockery.

posted by grum@work at 03:37 PM on January 19

Folkways, we vacation in Orange each every year, and Florabama is one of the coolest places I've ever been. We're looking at next October. Maybe I'll holler at ya and we can have a few beers at the oyster bar and listen to Jimmy Buffet songs.

posted by louisville_slugger at 04:08 PM on January 19

Florabama is one of the coolest places I've ever been. We should have a florabama meetup.

posted by justgary at 07:04 PM on January 19

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