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September 26, 2007
More Trouble For Vick: Former Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick tested positive for marijuana in a urine sample submitted September 13th, just over two weeks after his guilty plea regarding federal charges stemming from a dogfighting operation in Virginia that Vick bankrolled and took part in. As a result of the positive test, Vick has been restricted to his residence every day from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m; his restriction will include electronic monitoring which Vick must pay for. Judge Henry Hudson also ordered Vick to continue in a substance therapy program and participate in mental health counseling.
posted by The_Black_Hand to culture at 03:16 PM - 44 comments
Genius. Truly a great thinker.
posted by THX-1138 at 04:17 PM on September 26, 2007
I'm not getting something. Why was he tested?
posted by lil_brown_bat at 04:24 PM on September 26, 2007
Clearly not the brightest bulb in the box is he.
posted by Drood at 04:28 PM on September 26, 2007
Ya just can't fix stupid.... This should really help a Judge known for harsh penalties to feel compassion. Flaunting your nose at a judge's release restrictions is not a wise thing to do.
posted by skeet0311 at 04:32 PM on September 26, 2007
I'm not getting something. Why was he tested? He was tested as a condition of his release. He knew he could (and probably would) be tested at any time.
posted by urall cloolis at 04:45 PM on September 26, 2007
I'm all for the legalization of pot, but methinks Vick couldn't have chosen a more inopportune time to engage in an act of civil disobedience..oh what's that? He just thought smokin some reefer while under government supervision was a good idea? Maybe gonna relax a bit? Brilliant! I really think it speaks volumes to how seriously he is taking the whole situation.
posted by tahoemoj at 05:31 PM on September 26, 2007
pro-pot, anti-Vick...He may play again, but it won't be in Atlanta. It's a long shot...
posted by Marko2020 at 05:40 PM on September 26, 2007
I heard the other day Vick stands to lose more than $100 million over the various criminal charges. $100 MILLION, people. You think a guy could hold off on the chronic for a little while to get a shot for at least some of that huge pile of dosh!
posted by billsaysthis at 05:43 PM on September 26, 2007
At this rate he may not be out of jail while he is young enough to play football at the NFL level. He has the federal charges, which could be increased due to his breaking the conditions of his release. After that he still faces charges in Virginia which is one of the states with the harshest penalties against animal cruelty and endangerment. One thing I can not understand though is why they are not bringing charges in Va. against Vick for the killing of the dogs- each count could be up to 5 years in prison- and Vick has admitted participating in six or eight dog killings.
posted by urall cloolis at 05:47 PM on September 26, 2007
For how long is marijuana detectable in the system after use? I thought it was about a month. The sample was tested 17 days after his plea. If my understanding is correct, Vick could have used the stuff long before it became evident that he was going to have to make a plea agreement. Even if he did use after the plea, I can't pound on him. There's a great quote from the movie "The Freshman": There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed... because you know things can't get any worse. It's entirely possible that Vick felt he was at rock bottom, and that no act on his part at that point was going to make his future look any more bleak. That's got to be a pretty awful feeling.
posted by The Crafty Sousepaw at 05:58 PM on September 26, 2007
After that he still faces charges in Virginia which is one of the states with the harshest penalties against animal cruelty and endangerment. One thing I can not understand though is why they are not bringing charges in Va. against Vick for the killing of the dogs- each count could be up to 5 years in prison- and Vick has admitted participating in six or eight dog killings. He already pleaded guilty to these charges in his federal indictment and can't be charged with the same crime twice.I'm no where to understanding the laws such as a Lawyer does... But it seems as if his Lawyers knew what they were doing in having admit to the killings of the dogs in the Federal indictment and in doing so the Federal boys are not pursueing the gambling and crossing state lines with the gambling enterprise and thusly excaping the Gambling and Racketeering charges and also elimatinating the additional charges in Va. which does have harsh animal cuelty punishments. Like I said. I'm no lawyer and could be, and likely am, wrong.
posted by skeet0311 at 06:13 PM on September 26, 2007
I remember hearing him say " I found God" when he had the press conference at the time he pleaded guilty. I guess God told him to fire one up and relax.
posted by louisville_slugger at 06:13 PM on September 26, 2007
Remember that, unlike any other drug, pot will show up for weeks in a regular user. The test was two weeks after his guilty plea. It's possible he had the sense to quit, and this was left over. Likely? Hell no! He's probably burning a bush with some of the same homeys got him into this shit right now. And I don't really blame him for partying. "Let's see, I'm going to jail for years and when I get out fines and legal fees will have eaten up every cent of my millions. Right now I've got money, free time, and access to anything I want. Think I'll catch up on my reading." Yeah, right. More like, "Think I'll throw a party they'll still be talking about when I get back! Yo! I want every skanky ho in the Tidewater and every kind of dope and booze known to man at my house by sundown!" Hell, that's what I'd do. But, seriously Mike, score some shrooms. They won't show up on the test.
posted by gradioc at 06:16 PM on September 26, 2007
If my understanding is correct, Vick could have used the stuff long before it became evident that he was going to have to make a plea agreement. If Vick used before the plea he was just as stupid. Since the NFL did not suspend him indefinitely until the plea was made then he would have been breaking another rule in the NFL conduct policy. I am sure he did it before and after the plea...seems to me he just doesn't care about anyone, including himself apparantly. That still doesn't make me have any sympathy at all for him. There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed... because you know things can't get any worse. Yeah, things just got worse for him, just when he thought they couldn't.
posted by urall cloolis at 06:20 PM on September 26, 2007
Just had an afterthought. Maybe Vick and O.J. can get a cell together and could start their own team.
posted by skeet0311 at 06:28 PM on September 26, 2007
skeet, I think that Vick only pled guilty to "conspiracy", as it was the one charge that the feds had the most proof of. Vick admitted to killing dogs in his summary, but I do not think it was part of the plea- but I could be wrong. I heard that he was able to be charged with animal cruelty for the dog killings. I live in Virginia and heard it on the news, but I may be incorrect one here as I am no lawyer either. I do like your idea though- "The Longest Yard" reality show perhaps?
posted by urall cloolis at 06:34 PM on September 26, 2007
I still say he hasn't even begun to see the end of this yet! I'm still waiting for the IRS to get involved in the dog betting also. I just can't see him back in the NFL anytime soon, if EVER! What a poor smuck!
posted by robi8259 at 06:35 PM on September 26, 2007
christ, i love how a little reefer can stitch you up worse in the united states of policing. i take it the whole legalize pot thing's got a LOT further to go south of the border?
posted by dfleming at 08:19 PM on September 26, 2007
Vick initially denied any knowledge of the enterprise, then pledged after he was charged that he would fight to clear his name. After Phillips and two other co-defendants pleaded guilty, Vick followed suit and admitted in a written plea to bankrolling the enterprise and helping to kill eight dogs that performed poorly. Urall. The above is what I was going by. I'm not sure if there were more dogs involved or what the whole status of this implies. The article also suggests that if he shows up dirty again....Well back to the 'ol crossbars hotel. I kind of figure that he knows he's gone So what the hell, Why not. but in his stupidity he probably didn't think about this adding more time. What ever the Judge was going to give him I think just got a little longer.
posted by skeet0311 at 08:53 PM on September 26, 2007
Skeet- How does Co-Producers of "The Longest Yard Reality Show" sound. We could get other inmates to tryout for the team. Each week we cut an inmate and sign one for cigarettes and phone time. We could give out one conjugal visit per week for the player that works the hardest and shows promise. Every week we cut one and he has to give up three days worth of bolgna and cheese sandwiches to the winner. We could probably even come up with a funny cheerleading squad out of all the players "punks".
posted by urall cloolis at 09:21 PM on September 26, 2007
I think with this last big bust that the Feds had in the steroid thing from China will be sufficient to supply names for players. But then looking at some of the cheerleaders of football....maybe steroids aren't all that bad :))) After re-reading this I wanted it noted that there was no pun intended in the "big bust" part above.
posted by skeet0311 at 09:53 PM on September 26, 2007
Wait. Mike Vick smokes weed?!? *Head explodes*
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 10:35 PM on September 26, 2007
In his defense, that's just how they do things in "The News."
posted by tahoemoj at 12:13 AM on September 27, 2007
Skeet: "Just had an afterthought. Maybe Vick and O.J. can get a cell together and could start their own team." I smell movie of the week. "The Longest Yard 2: This time, it's a bit longer!"
posted by Drood at 04:46 AM on September 27, 2007
It takes roughly 30 days for weed to leave your system. Maybe Mike was toking it up and maybe he wasn't. If he was, I really don't blame him. Tell me, what else does he have as of right now besides his freedom? Time. He has plenty of time to think about everything that has taken place the past year and I'm sure he's feeling depressed and needed something to take the edge off. I'm not trying to sound like a Mike Vick apologist but I really can understand. Saying that, Mike Vick should have know better than to be caught doing anything since he has federal charges and hasn't even been sentenced as of yet and maybe this will have an impact on his sentencing. I am very pro-weed and see nothing wrong with buring a few trees now & then but then again, I don't have federal charges hanging over my head but if I did, the last thing I'll be thinking of doing is getting my burn on. I'll be thinking of doing whatever is needed of me in order for me to get as little jail time as possible.
posted by BornIcon at 06:19 AM on September 27, 2007
Add this clip to the end of the SNL skit ... You thought you might smoke some weed with all this looming over your head? Really!?!? You knew you might be drug tested at some point and you fired it up anyway? Really!?!?
posted by Ricardo at 10:20 AM on September 27, 2007
It takes roughly 30 days for weed to leave your system. That is a myth. It takes as little as 3 days, up to 30 days for marijuana to leave the system depending upon how often you smoke it, how much of it you smoke and your metabolic rate. The more frequent use and larger amounts will stay in the body longer. The faster your metabolic rate, the faster you will break it down. I would imagine that Vick has a fairly high metabolism. Maybe Mike was toking it up and maybe he wasn't. If he was, I really don't blame him. You can't be serious.
posted by urall cloolis at 01:40 PM on September 27, 2007
SportsFilter knows its weed.
posted by rcade at 02:06 PM on September 27, 2007
So he not only has a pitch black and depraved soul, but also a half-empty noggin? He may just be challenging his brother Marcus in the stupidity olympics at this juncture, which I didn't think was possible. Not saying that smoking weed is a sin by any stretch of the imagination, but in these circumstances, it was pretty darn moronic.
posted by BCHockey at 03:27 PM on September 27, 2007
SportsFilter knows its weed. Dude, it's tha housa chronic. Tossin' pinners atcha'. Late.
posted by THX-1138 at 05:19 PM on September 27, 2007
That is a myth. How is it a myth when even you admitted that "[t]he more frequent use and larger amounts will stay in the body longer"? That's why I said "roughly". I'm sure that Vick is in the "frequent" user department. Not saying that smoking weed is a sin by any stretch of the imagination, but in these circumstances, it was pretty darn moronic. Exactly my point.
posted by BornIcon at 07:00 AM on September 28, 2007
He already pleaded guilty to these charges in his federal indictment and can't be charged with the same crime twice. Wrong. He was charged by the Feds and pled guilty to Federal charges. He can also be charged by the State of Virginia. It's not double jepoardy. Each juristiction has the right to bring charges, even if they are identical. Sentences can be served consecutively or concurrently; that's up to the judge. The dog killing charges bring a maximum sentence of 5 years on EACH COUNT. Since he's already stipulated that he participated in the killing of 6-8 dogs, he could get up to 40 years. However, the indictment only listed the single killing charge, so unless they revise the indictment, he's only subject to 5 years on that charge. There are of course other charges. I think at this point, everyone including Vick knows he's seriously screwed. No more NFL, and probably no more football period! What a dumb-ass!
posted by Toad8572 at 10:19 AM on September 28, 2007
It gets even better; An Indiana bank has sued embattled Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick for not repaying loans involving a car rental business.
posted by irunfromclones at 05:37 PM on September 28, 2007
PTI says it's the second bank in two days.
posted by yerfatma at 06:25 PM on September 28, 2007
i take it the whole legalize pot thing's got a LOT further to go south of the border? I think this guy said it best.
posted by HATER 187 at 12:04 AM on September 29, 2007
posted by urall cloolis at 01:04 AM on September 29, 2007
Just kidding here is what he really said during his latest interview
posted by urall cloolis at 01:17 AM on September 29, 2007
Here is the real interview explaining the circumstances of his positive test.
posted by urall cloolis at 01:26 AM on September 29, 2007
so the fuck what he smoked some weed.it really pisses me off that people say that he should go to jail over this stuff.most of the so called law makers have skeletons in there closets also.but i guess in there case its always do as i say and dont do as i do.so what he had a dog fighting ring.why is that any different from cock fighting and hunting??i mean in cock fighting they tye razor blades on the feet.now how gruesome is that.in hunting animals dont even see it coming,just some guy with a rifle killing the animal for sport.in all of these instances the animals suffer. so why is dog fighting supposely the worst of the worst?
posted by rageagainstthemachine at 07:02 AM on October 01, 2007
so why is dog fighting supposely the worst of the worst? If it wasn't the dog fighting dog per se that was so numbingly brutal, then surely the deaths by beating, hanging, and electrical shocks would suffice to make it the worst to most of the civilized world.
posted by irunfromclones at 03:47 PM on October 01, 2007
so the fuck what he smoked some weed.it really pisses me off that people say that he should go to jail over this stuff.most of the so called law makers have skeletons in there closets also.but i guess in there case its always do as i say and dont do as i do.so what he had a dog fighting ring.why is that any different from cock fighting and hunting??i mean in cock fighting they tye razor blades on the feet.now how gruesome is that.in hunting animals dont even see it coming,just some guy with a rifle killing the animal for sport.in all of these instances the animals suffer. so why is dog fighting supposely the worst of the worst? For the love of all that is Holy! Use some capitalization and spaces! so why is dog fighting supposely the worst of the worst? Umm.. because it is illegal?
posted by hawkguy at 05:54 PM on October 01, 2007
For the love of all that is Holy! Use some capitalization and spaces! I second that.
posted by BornIcon at 08:55 AM on October 02, 2007
so the fuck what ...worst of the worst? When you realize you've walked in on a semi-intelligent conversation and you have nothing to add, you should either sit back and listen or walk out of the room.
posted by Ricardo at 02:37 PM on October 02, 2007
I can't find articles to back it up yet, but I've heard on radio and TV today that Judge Hudson could easily use this when sentencing Vick. Mike might have just bought himself a longer sentence, for the sake of a couple of bong hits. I understand he's under a lot of stress right now, but damn.