Kubiak to Houston: Now who does Houston take? He says he likes Carr.
posted by hump9n to football at 02:28 PM - 29 comments
Reggie Bush, same as last week.
posted by chicobangs at 02:29 PM on January 26
Things havent changed, they will still take Bush. The only thing that will be different for Kubiak is that he will be unemployed inside of 2 years. He should have stayed sitting on the cushion in Denver.
posted by LiveWithIt at 02:44 PM on January 26
"I'll find a way to make him successful because it's in him," Kubiak said. "I'm a David Carr fan. I like the skills he has. There is no reason that David shouldn't be a successful quarterback." Save the complete and utter lack of an offensive line. Trade the damned pick and get some protection for Carr and Davis!
posted by wfrazerjr at 02:51 PM on January 26
Biggest reason for my concern is I want to see Vince in Tennessee. Not in Houston.
posted by hump9n at 02:51 PM on January 26
Kubiak is smart not to question Owner McNair's boy Carr. The investment in Carr was/is just too big and with some solid coaching it can payoff. The selection of Bush is, as many have said, a lock. A running game always makes the QB better. If Kubiak can find a good defensive coordinator then how can he not improve this team? 2-14 is almost as hard to do, statistically, as 14-2, just ask Peyton. With any sucess at all Kubiak will outlive his 5 year contract.
posted by Termite at 02:58 PM on January 26
I think the Carr endorsement is simply to not cause controversy at Kubiak's first press conference as head coach...at least I hope so. Whether it's his fault or not, Carr is still unproven after 4 years and has an $8 million bonus coming up if they don't trade him, all the more reason to draft Vince Young and pick up a couple of proven linemen. Should be interesting watching how it plays out.
posted by Texan_lost_in_NY at 03:04 PM on January 26
houston needs to sell those seats. [enter vince young] homegrown talent in houston. bob mcnair should not pass on him. he is a winner. houston passed on clyde drexler and rashard lewis and see what they've done...just become all-stars. if houston takes bush, we will surly have to face vince young 2 times a year. i know him personally, and he will try to beat houston's back in if they don't pic him. ut fans would love to see more of vince. keep him home!
posted by thundersmoke at 03:22 PM on January 26
posted by Desert Dog at 03:35 PM on January 26
A running game always makes the QB better. Domanick Davis is no slouch. Carr holds on to the ball too long, and his line doesn't give enough time. I think the Texans would be better trading down and taking a wide out (maybe before Matt Millen picks another) but they will take Bush. According to the article the Texans have to make a decision on Carr within the next few weeks (before Pro Bowl) about whether to pick up the option on his contract. My guess is they will keep Carr. An offensive minded coach is a good step for this team. Capers is not that sort of coach.
posted by scully at 03:46 PM on January 26
houston needs to sell those seats. [enter vince young] "I'll find a way to make him successful because it's in him," Kubiak said. "I'm a David Carr fan. I like the skills he has. There is no reason that David shouldn't be a successful quarterback." Kubiak is smart not to question Owner McNair's boy Carr. If the Texans pick Vince. There will be controversy. If the Texans pick Reggie and no line. There will be controversy. If the Texans pick either... There will be controversy. Welcome to the NFL... Go BOLTS
posted by mrrocnron at 04:21 PM on January 26
Carr isn't a speed reader, but, he can certainly read well when time permits. Kubiak knows what he has to do. He already has a QB and a couple of RBs. Give him two lines (O & D) and he'll win enough for all of us.l
posted by iamthe7throse at 04:36 PM on January 26
Reggie Bush will fill the seats too, especially if the Texans start the sales job now. But this is one of those examples that show very well why one player can't turn a franchise around, especially in the NFL. The Texans need an O-line, and now, but not only will that not sell tickets, it might be too late for David Carr, who I'm sure is having 'Nam-style flashbacks in his sleep at this point.
posted by chicobangs at 04:37 PM on January 26
Kubiak has to talk up Carr, whether or not he likes him. To do anything else would lower his potential trade value and reduce the negotiating leverage of the Texans heading into the NFL Draft.
posted by rcade at 05:16 PM on January 26
There are 3 things the Texans can do. 1.) Draft Reggie Bush 2.) Draft Vince Young 3.) Trade the pick for an offensive line Any one of these moves is met with criticism. You take Young you HAVE to deal Carr (and despite the fact that he has a great arm and is 26, he's REALLY unproven). Reggie has his own faults too (durability), but honestly, why not take Bush, pair him with Davis the same way Denver did with Anderson and Bell (except use Bush also some as a WR...kill two birds with one stone)...there we go...solve two problems at once!
posted by chemwizBsquared at 06:22 PM on January 26
It probably wont happen, but the Saints need a quarterback (they stink at the position) and they have the second pick in the draft. Houston should package David Carr and Dominick Davis to New Orleans for the second pick. That way Houston could pick Bush AND Young! It would benefit both teams!
posted by nflhou02 at 06:38 PM on January 26
nflhou02, I'm going to guess from your username that you're not really giving the Saints the benefit of the doubt in that trade, but put yourself in their shoes. A damaged-goods QB and an okay RB in exchange for a shot at a franchise-maker, one of the best college prospects to come down the pike in the better part of a decade? Would you make that trade? In a million years?
posted by chicobangs at 06:56 PM on January 26
Chico...you are right. I don't give the Saints ANY benefits! Why? Because the Saints WOULD make that trade! Besides Joe Horn, name one player on the Saints that was worth the(top 5) draft pick spent on them. The Texans may have been bad, but at least they are trying to improve. As long as Benson owns the team, the Saints will not improve much. They haven't improved signifantly in ten years! Also ... why is Carr damaged? He is healthy and young. He is NOT a great quarterback, but he is not damaged goods. As far Davis, he has had three straight 1000 yard seasons in a row. Even if Houston keeps him, and drafts Bush, it will create a dynamic backfield for whoever is QB. I support the Saints, but they will NOT make the playoffs in the next few years. And Houston might not be playoff bound for a year or two, but I will take their win total over the Saints any year!
posted by nflhou02 at 07:21 PM on January 26
Uh...Joe Horn last time I checked was a late round selection by the Kansas City Cheifs who has grown into a pretty productive player. Also, Dante Stallworth had a better year than Horn last season (and he WAS a first round selection), and they've had some solid pieces. I think coaching was New Orleans's problem. That and a lack of a good decision maker in Aaron Brooks. As for my hometown Texans, Gary Kubiak is a good choice. He makes the team a little more formidable by giving them an offensive guru (for lack of a better word). These guys have nowhere to go but up, and I forsee David Carr having a strong year. Dominack Davis and Reggie Bush coexisting and Andre Johnson returning to his Pro Bowl numbers of 2004. This could be a scary team. Of course, this all doesn't mean squat if Houston doesn't address six things: The offensive line and Tight End.
posted by chemwizBsquared at 07:47 PM on January 26
Take off your homer hat for a second. David Carr has been sacked more often than Constantinople, and even you admit he's not a great quarterback. So why would the Saints, or anyone, trade away a shot at a franchise-changing player for someone who's been sacked more than any other QB in his first four years, and who's well on is way to being known as a waste of a #1 pick?
posted by chicobangs at 07:49 PM on January 26
David Carr has been sacked more often than Constantinople posted by chicobangs at 7:49 PM CST on January 26 Classic! Hey, they could have 50 draft picks this year, but if they don't improve the O-line it won't matter. If they take anyone but Dabrickashaw Ferguson in the first without trading down for xtra picks, they're stupid.
posted by sumokenobi at 08:21 PM on January 26
Why did Constantinople get the works? sumo, make sure you close those tags!
posted by yerfatma at 07:13 AM on January 27
Pick any top QB in the draft and let him play for Houston. The end result will be the same. Maybe Young's a little quicker, but give him 3 years with the same line as Carr and he may not have as many sacks, but he'd be getting the hell beat out of him out there, just like Carr. But hey - if it's Houston's goal to train the new batch of future QB's for the Special Olympics, I say keep shopping for 'em.
posted by jamaicaphooey at 09:06 AM on January 27
Pick any top QB in the draft and let him play for Houston. The end result will be the same. Not even close. Carr gets sacked ALOT of times out of the pocket. In those cases there is no reason not to get rid of the ball, yet he takes the sack. The QB also should take some responsibility for reading teh blitz and getting rid of the ball.
posted by bdaddy at 09:27 AM on January 27
^^ Okay, the name of 1 QB with the same offensive line stats that could perform well, and could do this consistently, under those circumstances would suffice. David Carr isn't the best QB ever, he was a little over-rated when he came into Houston. His talent doesn't match his record, though.
posted by jamaicaphooey at 09:56 AM on January 27
Chico...you 're right. Carr has been sacked a lot! But not ALL of the sacks have been his fault. They need a better line! But he also will learn from Kubiak. Also, another point I was trying to make was that The Saints were capable of making the trade, because the Saints management has made a lot of bonehead decisions in the past.
posted by nflhou02 at 12:25 PM on January 27
Chemwiz...you are also right! They need a better line. Regarding Horn...I may have had my tongue twisted. What I meant to say was that Joe Horn was the only player on the Saints that I would have taken with a top 5 pick. Stallworth is a decent player. But I would draft Horn as a top 2 receiver in a fantasy draft.
posted by nflhou02 at 12:32 PM on January 27
Definitely feel that nflhou02. I would definitely say that Horn was worth a fifth or sixth round fantasy pick coming into this year, but Stallworth looked a heck of a lot better this year, beating Horn in catches (70 to 46), yards (945 to 654) and TDs (7 to 1). That kid has a somewhat promising future ahead of him, but that could go downhill if they take Lineart (the guy I say they'll take). There's always buzz in the papers about new head coaches bringing in new ideas, new feels and new schemes. Yet, how many of these teams will do better once the games start meaning something?
posted by chemwizBsquared at 04:33 PM on January 27
Chem....Unless Houston trades down, New Orleans will probably take Young. Two reasons...they need a QB, and they need an athlete. Young fits both molds. However, if the Texans trade down then Bush will fall into their laps. In any case, Saints should get a great player! I just hope Houston gets back to respectability. They should have had at least 7 wins this year. But am excited about Kubiak, think he will do wonders for them.
posted by nflhou02 at 08:43 PM on January 27
Dude...it was painful watchin these guys this year. I finally got the chance to see them at Reliant Stadium this year (a friend invited me to the game) and they put NO EFFORT up (and this was against Tennessee back in October). Each close loss brought me closer to tears, from the Rams heartbreaker to the Ravens comback drive that made Kyle Boller look the best he'll EVER look to those missed Kris Brown FGs against Tennessee. Houston should have had 7 or more this past year, but Dom Capers did the one thing you CAN'T do in this league: he got rid of two veteran leaders on the club. YOU CAN'T cut two leaders and expect your team to continue to perform. 93-94 days or so till the draft. You're on the clock Gary!
posted by chemwizBsquared at 01:20 AM on January 28
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