04/19/24
October 28, 2005
Trivia: What NHL goalie holds the record for most wins in a month?: Sawchuk? Plante? Dryden? Roy? Try again.
And I don't think it's wins in a month, but wins in the month of October only. The sports commentators made a big deal about it being October, and not just any month.
posted by grum@work at 07:40 AM on October 28, 2005
So, those Red Wings, who knew? I did! /does his I drafted Legace dance
posted by grum@work at 07:40 AM on October 28, 2005
I corrected the post. I have three goalies on my fantasy hockey team and they don't have 10 wins combined.
posted by rcade at 07:51 AM on October 28, 2005
Fuck you 'you did', grum! The season is long and arduous, and you will taste my exquisite wrath befroe the end is nigh!! (I hope) ... Stupid auto draft gave me Garon and no one. Curses!!
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 08:12 AM on October 28, 2005
Legace and Osgoode - two of the most fortunate goalies I know of; perennial 2nd stringers on a perennial power house. But since I can't separate the Wings' success from Legace's, good on ya Manny.
posted by garfield at 08:36 AM on October 28, 2005
I shook my head at the Wings for always pursing these "money" goal tenders when they had a guy that could start on 50% of the teams in the NHL as a back up to some of these wash-ups (CuJo) I am glad Manny is off to such a great start just because he proved me right.
posted by HATER 187 at 08:42 AM on October 28, 2005
You do not get 400 wins in the NHL by being a wash-up.
posted by RedStrike at 09:34 AM on October 28, 2005
Maybe I was a little harsh on CuJo but my point he was past his prime when he signed with Detroit. Manny always comes to play and keeping him as your #1 is a great way to save on payroll.
posted by HATER 187 at 09:46 AM on October 28, 2005
And I don't think it's wins in a month, but wins in the month of October only. The sports commentators made a big deal about it being October, and not just any month. The commentators here in Detroit were saying the same thing, that it being a record for October. But the ESPN article I linked to says in a month, any month I assume. Honestly, I wouldn't even know where to begin to look that up... And grum, I'll give you all 3 of my shitty goalies for Legace... =D
posted by MeatSaber at 10:08 AM on October 28, 2005
No doubt that Manny was/is a fine goalie Hater, but I think the Wing's org is still wary of running with a relatively playoff inexperienced goaltender. What Wings fan doesn't remember the very good regular season runs that we had with the kid Osgood, but then having problems in the playoffs waayyy back in the day? Thus the priority of the one experienced, one kid route, (Vernon/Hasek/CuJo/Osgood with Osgood/Legace behind them). And sure CuJo didn't take us to the promised land, but I still think he wasn't treated fairly here. I mean, you had a Jiggy Giguere doing all but winning the cup, and some tired legs on the Wings not doing what they needed too.
posted by RedStrike at 10:54 AM on October 28, 2005
...not so fine to make Gretzky's easy list.
posted by garfield at 11:51 AM on October 28, 2005
RedStrike I agree it never really was the goal tending that let the wings down but it never stole games for them either. Cujo is a hall of famer no doubt even without a cup. In my opinion after Hasek the first time left I would have made Manny my #1.
posted by HATER 187 at 11:59 AM on October 28, 2005
Cujo is a hall of famer no doubt even without a cup. I'm a fan of Cujo, but I don't see him as a "no doubt" HOF'er. He's never won an individual award (except one humanitarian award) in the NHL. He has not (to my recollection) led the league in any individual category (Sv%, GAA, wins) or made it to the Stanley Cup finals. He still has a couple more years to pad his stats, and the Hockey Hall of Fame is notorious for it's "big hall" mentality (*cough*Federko*cough*Goulet*cough*), so it's probable that he'll get in. But he's no Roy/Brodeur/Hasek/.
posted by grum@work at 01:11 PM on October 28, 2005
Didn't Cujo lead the league in saves a couple years in St. Louis or Edmonton? Seems to me I remember that tidbit floating around...
posted by MeatSaber at 01:26 PM on October 28, 2005
Fuck Jacques Plante. Pussy. Ruined the game with his damn "My face hurts" shit. Hard to ignore 400 wins, grum - that's the ticket for CuJo - and hell he's better than Michel freaking Goulet. Stupid Hockey Hall of Fame. At least they've managed to ignore Ciccarelli - who's totals make him seem so much better than he actually was.
posted by WeedyMcSmokey at 01:47 PM on October 28, 2005
400 wins is some elite company to be in. Like I said I was a little harsh but Cujo career is winding down, it was winding down in 2003. He did have some great years especially with the Leafs.
posted by HATER 187 at 02:04 PM on October 28, 2005
Cujo is a hall of famer no doubt even without a cup. Playing goalie without a cup? He's probably a falsetto, too.
posted by The_Black_Hand at 03:04 PM on October 28, 2005
You are soooo right about Wings goalies, (sans Hasek), stealing playoff games! But Monney, (no typo), has matured, the Wings have had a year to recuperate and/or mature, and Babcock was what the orginization needed, fresh eyes with no ties/loyalties! Go Wings. Next Export is on me!
posted by RedStrike at 03:37 PM on October 28, 2005
Michel freaking Goulet What's with the hatin'?
posted by qbert72 at 03:44 PM on October 28, 2005
Michel freaking Goulet What's with the hatin'? I guess "hatin'" is a bit strong. I don't know if attaching his name to Federko's as an "unworthy" HOF'er is really fair. It's just that he got in on the first ballot. I don't think anyone ever thought Michel Goulet was a "first ballot" HOF'er. Sure, he scored 50 goals, but in the 1980s, everyone was scoring 50 goals back then: Blaine Stoughton had multiple 50 goals seasons. Dennis Maruk had a couple. Tim Kerr had a bunch. It removes some of the mystique of being called a "Hall of Fame" player if they are allowing in almost everyone that played for about 15 years. In retrospect, I'd rather have Michel Goulet in the HOF than this guy. He's got to be the worst selection from my era (1980+), by far.
posted by grum@work at 04:07 PM on October 28, 2005
I completely agree with Grum & Mr. McSmokey, the Hockey HOF tries to be so emcompassing that it has watered down the line between a player with a great career and a player with a long career. And thus it waters down it's own mystique.
posted by RedStrike at 04:20 PM on October 28, 2005
I will not stand for this Gillies bashing that guy shit nails. He was really a tough customer and a true blue collar hockey player. My compliant against the hockey hall of fame, it only allows players with good offensive numbers in. Whats the likelyhood of seeing a Claude Lemiuex or an Esa Tikkanen guys who made your team better not by scoring but through tough gritty play. Both guys were Cup winners and deepley respected if not hated by their peers. Plus I think I have a soft spot for Gillies because he lives on Long Island and I have had the pleasure of hanging out with his really hot daughter.
posted by HATER 187 at 04:26 PM on October 28, 2005
Claude Lemiuex or an Esa Tikkanen guys who made your team better not by scoring but through tough gritty play. Such as vicious cross-checking in the back or turtling? Having a bastard like Claude Lemieux in your team does help, but there's no way he'll ever be considered for the HOF, and rightly so. grum, it's true that those were other times. Maruk's 81-82 season is just insane by today's standards, yet he was probably barely in the top 10 scorers in the league. Goulet is still way above your three examples. He played over a thousand games, and averaged more than a point a game over his career, despite fading a little during his stay in Chicago. But I agree with your general point. If every first-liner with a 10years+ career is inducted in the HOF, there's not going to be a lot of mystique about this "institution".
posted by qbert72 at 10:45 AM on October 29, 2005
My compliant against the hockey hall of fame, it only allows players with good offensive numbers in. Then what the hell is Clark Gillies doing in the HOF? Him getting into the HOF is like Luis Sojo getting in: great role player on a bunch of championship teams. If Gillies gets in, why doesn't Ken Morrow get in? Same number of Stanley Cups (with the same team), plus he's got an Olympic Gold medal to boot! Goulet is still way above your three examples. I do concede that point now. I realize I had my "Gillies-hate" mixed with my "Goulet-apathy", and I inadvertantly lumped them together. Maruk's 81-82 season is just insane by today's standards, yet he was probably barely in the top 10 scorers in the league.
1 Wayne Gretzky, Edmonton..........212 2 Mike Bossy, NY Islanders.........147 3 Peter Stastny, Quebec............139 4 Dennis Maruk, Washington.........136 5 Bryan Trottier, NY Islanders.....129 6 Denis Savard, Chicago............119 7 Marcel Dionne, Los Angeles.......117 8 Bobby Smith, Minnesota...........114 9 Dave Taylor, Los Angeles.........106 9 Dino Ciccarelli, Minnesota.......106But his previous season as a 50 goal scorer did not get him into the top 10. BTW, I'm stunned that Bobby Smith hasn't made it into the HHOF. Not because I think he deserves to be there, but because he meets the (low) criteria perfectly:
- Length of career - 16 seasons
- Production - 0.96 points per game
- Personal awards - Calder Trophy 1978-79
- Team awards - Stanley Cup winner in 1986
posted by grum@work at 10:57 AM on October 29, 2005
Most goals in a month? Hextall, Brodeur, Billy Smith, Osgood, Rhodes and Theodore are all probably tied at 1. Most wins in a month being 10? I'd never have thought that it was so low given some of the powerhouse teams in the 70s (Habs and the Flyers who had the record undefeated streak of 30 odd games). So, those Red Wings, who knew?