August 10, 2010

Brandon Phillips: “I hate the Cardinals, hate ‘em”: Cincinnati Reds' Brandon Phillips fouled a ball off his shin Saturday in Chicago and missed Sunday’s game. But he was in Monday’s lineup and said, “I’d play against these guys with one leg. We have to beat these guys. I hate the Cardinals. All they do is bitch and moan about everything, all of them, they’re little bitches, all of ‘em.

posted by tommytrump to baseball at 08:37 PM - 25 comments

For some context, the Cards complained about wet balls in Cincinnati this year. They also complained about Carlos Lee getting pissed after popping up.

posted by drezdn at 08:56 PM on August 10

"Phillips is ripping his teammates -- Scott Rolen, Miguel Cairo, Russ Springer, Jim Edmonds -- all the ex-Cardinals over there."

No he wasn't, Tony LaRussa. I hate the Cardinals doesn't mean I hate all players who have ever been Cardinals. He's not dissing Stan Musial, Bob Gibson or Tim McCarver.

Well, maybe he's dissing McCarver just on principle.

But otherwise, he's talking about current Cardinals you humorless Twitter-suing dope.

posted by rcade at 09:27 PM on August 10

And they had a nice big fight about it.

posted by wfrazerjr at 10:17 PM on August 10

They sure did

posted by tommytrump at 10:21 PM on August 10

MLB.com report on the game, featuring a video of the encounter with slightly less anti-Cards commentary.

posted by boredom_08 at 11:02 PM on August 10

I love how Philips followed up his comments with an 0 for 5 night yesterday. Seems his talking has allowed the Cards to do the walking. That's 2 games so far Brandon, keep on talking.

posted by BoKnows at 11:49 PM on August 10

Huh. I guess these guys don't have the same agents.

posted by NoMich at 06:58 AM on August 11

I think what LaRussa was saying is if you're going to say the Cardinals are whiny bitches, you need to realize you have a bunch of guys in your locker room who may not agree with your assessment considering they've recently played for St. Louis.

A couple of other thoughts:

* How the hell do both broadcast teams and the story miss Phillips tapping Molina's shinguards not once, but twice? Hell, even if there hadn't been bad blood before, I think Yadier would have taken exception with that.

* Johnny Cueto should be suspended for a nice, long time. That's him leaning against the fence and kicking Chris Carpenter in the back and Jason LaRue in the face. With a pair of spikes.

posted by wfrazerjr at 10:16 AM on August 11

Don't batters sometimes give a catcher's shin pad a couple of taps in a show of respect? I think that's what Phillips was trying to do with Yadier. Which is especially hilarious given what Phillips said only a night before.

posted by NoMich at 10:47 AM on August 11

Don't batters sometimes give a catcher's shin pad a couple of taps in a show of respect? I think that's what Phillips was trying to do with Yadier.

I other instances, yes. In this instance, I'd have to say no. Phillips was, in my opinion, trying to get into their heads with the tapping of the shinguards thing, too. The guy (Phillips) would have to be a complete idiot to think doing that in this situation wouldn't create a confrontation.

As for the "ex-Cardinals" LaRussa references, if he believes the players he mentioned are still loyal to the Cardinals while currently playing for other teams, then there must be a bigger problem beneath the surface. I personally think it's just LaRussa being overly-dramatic.

posted by dyams at 10:59 AM on August 11

I've never worried about LaRussa's long term career prospects. After he's done with baseball, he's going to make a fabulous spokesman for the American Suppository Council.

posted by beaverboard at 11:00 AM on August 11

Why didn't the umpire stop it when the shin tapping got out of control?

posted by irunfromclones at 11:13 AM on August 11

Saw a fight and a baseball game broke out.

posted by BornIcon at 11:46 AM on August 11

Guys, I don't think it's about whether the players are loyal or not. To my understanding, the Reds have complained about the Cardinals being whiners in the past. I don't think Phillips' dislike of St. Louis just happened this season, and if it didn't, he's calling some of his teammates whiners at the same time he's slagging the current roster.

As for the shinguard tap, yes, it is a matter of respect or friendship in some cases. In this one, however, Molina clearly tries to kick the bat out of Phillips' hands when he does the first one -- and then Phillips comes back again.

That's just plain incitement.

posted by wfrazerjr at 12:00 PM on August 11

As for the shinguard tap, yes, it is a matter of respect or friendship in some cases.

It's an absolute sign of respect but Phillips talking slick one second and then trying to show Molina respect the next, was lack of respect.

posted by BornIcon at 12:51 PM on August 11

I hate it when athletes play the "disrespected" card. If this brawl happened because of some dumb unwritten code in baseball that involves shin taps to show respect, I may have to cleat somebody in the face.

posted by rcade at 01:01 PM on August 11

Yeah, heaven forbid someone feels disrespected after being called out in the press. What is the world coming to?

I have no problem with Phillips gesture when leading off a game. The difference here was that he decided to pop off the previous day. Do you think that it then shows respect? I don't. Nobody 'played a disrespect card', the lack of respect was loud and clear.

I hate it when brawls in baseball occur for any reason, but in this case it wasn't because of some dumb unwritten rule.

Put your cleats away.

posted by BoKnows at 02:03 PM on August 11

Why didn't the umpire stop it when the shin tapping got out of control?

I wondered this, as well. When Molina stepped over the plate, why didn't he move to separate them before it escalated?

posted by MeatSaber at 02:54 PM on August 11

I may have to cleat Cueto somebody in the face.

posted by BornIcon at 02:55 PM on August 11

I have no problem with Phillips gesture when leading off a game.

Please. Coming on the heels of his very-pointed comments about this particular team, he goes up to the plate and all of a sudden tries to come across as a nice, respectful guy? Very few people will buy that load of shit, and the Cardinals weren't stupid enough to buy it, either. While I don't like the fact it turned into a ridiculous brawl, Phillips needs to tone down his act. Don't play the instigator one minute, then throw up your hands the next minute because nobody believes you're trying to be respectful.

posted by dyams at 04:37 PM on August 11

dyams, did you read the next sentence I wrote?

I have no problem with Phillips gesture when leading off a game. The difference here was that he decided to pop off the previous day.

I said essentially the same thing you did. Please.

posted by BoKnows at 04:58 PM on August 11

But then you did have a problem with Phillips' gesture when leading off this game. This particular game is the one being talked about.

posted by dyams at 05:42 PM on August 11

But then you did have a problem with Phillips' gesture when leading off this game.

That leads me to the next sentence I had written:

I have no problem with Phillips gesture when leading off a game. The difference here was that he decided to pop off the previous day. Do you think that it then shows respect? I don't.

I don't know why you chose me. I'm a big Cards fan, lived in St. Louis for 28 years and hate all things Cubs. I agree with your comment 100%, but I think you are misreading mine. Next time I will try to be more clear.

posted by BoKnows at 05:54 PM on August 11

And after the Cardinal sweep the Shreds are left to sweep up the pieces of their season, I expect.

posted by mjkredliner at 01:22 PM on August 12

Suspensions have been handed down for this brawl. As Frazer anticipated, Johnny Cueto was the big winner with seven games in the timeout chair.

posted by rcade at 02:01 PM on August 12

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