It's funny, but all of the players involved in this doping scandal who have been caught dead to rights up to this point have been white guys. White guys, and fairly marginal players (except for Palmero). Viewed that way, maybe Bonds does have a point about the role that race is playing in his ongoing scrutiny.
posted by outside counsel at 02:11 PM on June 19
My problem with the article is that it is all over the place with what constitutes a record. Bonds passed 714, but 714 ain't the record-- 755 is. 714 stopped being magical a long time ago. Odd that Bud Selig, of all people, would get something like this right, but he did, and he should get credit for it.
posted by outside counsel at 10:08 AM on May 31
This reminds me of the joke about Reagan: When he announced his candidacy for governor of California somebody wisecracked, “Reagan for governor? No, Jimmy Stewart for governor. Reagan for best friend.” This is this Bush family equivalent, I'd say. W would have been harmless enough as Commissioner of baseball-- and I'm sure George and Barbara have been thinking of Jeb in the Oval Office since he was in high school.
posted by outside counsel at 01:27 PM on May 24
"It's possible (okay, probable) that the US's rank is a little inflated just to give the American punters the impression that the US team has a shot." There are Americans that bet on soccer?
posted by outside counsel at 03:45 PM on May 17
It would be interesting to see a table that includes the records that have been stricken because the athletes were found to have been using performance enhancing drugs. It seems as though "clean" runners eventually get there, but a timeline would be a useful way to analyze the question. Gatlin's securing the record looks like a lock-- the real question is how long he'll hold it.
posted by outside counsel at 09:27 AM on May 17
Doug Flutie saved football in Buffalo. He gave the Bills an exciting product at a time when they needed it desperately. I would dispute that he was merely a backup. His style of play was so unusual that his line needed to be used to what he was doing. It often looked like he was in trouble and improvising, but in fact he practiced that stuff. If you got to the game early you could see him doing it as he warmed up-- running, then jumping and passing while he was still in the air-- all kinds of stunts like that. The Bills coaching staff was sure that Rob Johnson was the long-term answer, and forced Flutie out, a classic example of "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" thinking, and what we got was Homerun Throwback, and a long arid stretch that we are not through yet. I don't think it would be a stretch to say that Flutie was the last legitimate sports star we've had in Buffalo. You might argue Dominik Hasek, and maybe so, but your grandma didn't go out and buy a box of cereal with the Dominator's picture on it. Everyone in town bought at least one box of Flutie Flakes. A class act, and a terrific athlete.
posted by outside counsel at 10:46 AM on May 16
For me the most interesting thing was that the style of play-- for both Japan and Cuba-- was so much fun to watch. And why wouldn't that be true, really? The best athletes may be in the pros, but wouldn't you rather watch Olympic basketball or hockey instead of NBA or NHL? I would. The drop-off in talent between MLB and AAA is quite apparent-- you can always spot the AAA player who is on the way up, I find, but the smallball style of play made these games exciting to watch.
posted by outside counsel at 12:19 PM on March 21
If you told me in 1986 that Gooden and Straw wouldn't end up in the HOF, I'd have thought you were crazy. For that matter, Jose Canseco looked like a lock, too. I'd have guessed Eric Davis too. I love sports because they help to show us what people with potential can accomplish-- but stories like Strawberry and Doc show us how easy it is to fail. Davis shows us how frail we all are. And Canseco? Hey, sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.
posted by outside counsel at 02:28 PM on March 15
Young is certainly overdue, as is Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson: both class acts, in a league that is too often a cheap cigar in a gaudy wrapper.
posted by outside counsel at 01:41 PM on February 05
What I liked about the Colts was that they reminded me of the great Bills teams. I guess that's what Belichick liked, too.
posted by outside counsel at 11:31 AM on January 17
Favre has been washed up for a couple of years now, but he is so popular with the sporting press that nobody says it. The Vikings got a lot of flack about backing into the playoffs, but GB was not notably better during the regular season, so I'd have to say that this was not the upset it may have seemed. We won't know how good the Vikes really are unless they get to the Super Bowl, I'd say-- their toughest game is going to be against a TO-less Eagles team, and I'd say that any of the four remaining AFC teams are better than any of the NFC contenders. Oh, and the Packer's fans mooning the visiting team? I didn't know that, but it is the sort of thing that the bobbleheads on tv almost certainly know. Why didn't they mention it durring all the hubbub?
posted by outside counsel at 02:22 PM on January 10
BALCO is part of it, sports doping in general is all of it. I find it odd that this has somehow become a big story because of baseball-- the use of performancing enhancing drugs pervades all sports, pro and amateur, at every level. The story that is being missed is the scale: this is big business, and nobody seems to realize it, or be prepared to admit it. How many major sporting events were not touched by the question of doping this year? Golf and tennis are all that I can think of, and hockey, because there is no hockey.
posted by outside counsel at 12:28 PM on December 29
Someone once said that baseball is the only profession where a guy could be considered an intellectual because he has a law degree from Florida State. La Russa made some moves in this series that didn't work out, but if they had, he'd have looked pretty astute. Fact is, his hitters didn't hit, and his pitchers got hit-- and in the end there wasn't a thing he could do about it.
posted by outside counsel at 02:26 PM on October 28
It seems to me that population base is the most significant factor in medal count, although the Aussies pretty consistantly beat expectations in that department. It seems to me that an enlighted immigration policy is often helpful, in track and field, anyway, so Canada should do a little better in summer stuff. I think worrying about it is silly, though. Worry about who has the most stylin' uniforms for the opening and closing ceremonies if you have to worry about something-- Canada has had a historic over-reliance on cowboy hats, and something should be done about that.
posted by outside counsel at 11:34 AM on August 31
The sad reality is that when baseball accidently finds that it has a good commissioner, it fires him. It shouldn't be hard to not screw up baseball, but really, with the exception of Bart Giamatti and Fay Vincent (and arguably Ueberroth) there hasn't been one that has been worth a damn. The worst part about Selig is thinking about what he might do. I held my breath all Spring thinking that he might reinstate Pete Rose, but Charley Hustle managed to sucessfully self destruct.
posted by outside counsel at 04:36 PM on August 19
If Rose hadn't bet on baseball, (and then lied about it) he would have been an automatic Hall of Faimer-- and a jerk. The Hall was never going to change the fact that he was a jerk, just like his plaque wouldn't have shown him with a decent haircut. His accomplishments on the field-- not least the hits record-- would have been enough to overcome his personality deficits. But let's face it, Rose was never the sort of player that was universally loved-- he ended Ray Fosse's career (because he was a jerk), and this Bud Harrelson fan is never going to admit to more than respect for Rose's doggedness-- because he is a jerk. You could go around the league-- fans in every city will have a story about Rose that illustrates that he was a jerk. You could see past that because he played the game hard, but once he stepped over the line, (and lied about it for fourteen years), well, you should pardon the expression, but all bets were off. Pete Rose does not belong in the Hall of Fame. He believed in the game so passionately that he allowed it to consume him, then he broke faith with it. You don't get to be an immortal when you break faith-- you get left, like Moses, standing outside looking in.
posted by outside counsel at 11:12 AM on January 06
Gregg Williams didn't cut anybody-- he was the head coach, not the GM, and although his imput was there, I never got the feeling watching this team that its failures had much to do with the personnel on the field. This season was marked by some of the stupidest play calling I have ever seen. Even in the opening game-- 31-0 against New England, we're going to the Super Bowl-- there were calls that were incomprehensable. The difference between that game and the rest of the season was that the players were sufficently motivated to overcome the momentum killers that Williams kept calling for. He coached like he couldn't think of what to do next. What'll be interesting is how the Bills choose to fill the opening. There are a lot of big, expensive names out there, but I very much doubt that we will be seeing Dan Reeves or Jim Fassel. You know who'd be interesting to see? Ted Cottrell.
posted by outside counsel at 03:28 PM on December 30
Speaking as a Bills fan, I hope the Raiders do fire him. I'd love to see him on the sideline in Orchard Park.
posted by outside counsel at 11:50 AM on December 02
Man, those old SD unis were bad. Steve Garvey said that they made him look like a taco.
posted by outside counsel at 03:37 PM on November 07
Any other combination of the final four teams would have been more compelling. Sox-Marlins? The possibility that Boston would be thwarted the way Cleveland was. Yanks-Cubs? Oh please, how sweet would that be? And, of course, Cubs-Sox, the match-up everybody wanted. I say Marlins in six, and won't there be hell to pay if that happens?
posted by outside counsel at 02:05 PM on October 18
Either is preferable penalties, I think, but this game is in the books, and the point is moot. It was a lovely match to watch, played hard, with outstanding plays on offence and defence. I didn't have a problem with the call-- saying that there were calls that should have or could have been made is no kind of argument against a legitimate call that was made, in this one seemed fair to me.
posted by outside counsel at 05:34 PM on October 15
I wouldn't count any of the hoops "Dream Teams" as being superior to this bunch on the grounds that this is an actual team, rather than a pasted together one shot. Think about it-- the USA women, the core group, have been doing this for years. As for the "hot or not" question, I think that the women's footballers are mighty buff, andt is a look I like. Soccer togs are not particularly flattering, but the look works for me.
posted by outside counsel at 02:34 PM on October 01
Sure, Selig is a boob, but is anyone else troubled by the fact that the Canadian government hasn't tried to do something to save the Expos? Or even the government of Quebec-- I mean, what MLB is doing here is sad, and you'd think that our neighbors to the North would be trying to prevent it.
posted by outside counsel at 11:47 AM on September 06
Presumably he won't dog it, and play in a snit now that he's washed up. I can't imagine why anybody in Chicago would be glasd to see him back.
posted by outside counsel at 10:21 AM on July 21
Even as a hoax, it's disturbing. But it's surely a hoax: a paintball is about as hard as a gumball, and eye protection is essential. This would be a liability nightmare, even if it were just private pesons acting like assholes.
posted by outside counsel at 10:09 AM on July 17
I never saw the point of having Miami in the Big East, but I think the Big East is a hoops conference, and anything that takes away from that is a mistake. I also think that college football is not something that is that big a deal in the places where the Big East schools play. Just about the only New York State college football program anybody cares about is Syracuse; BC's football has its fans, but none of the other schools in the conference have any sort of real tradition that I've noticed.
posted by outside counsel at 10:43 AM on June 25
Beckham to Barcelona would be like Jeeter to the BoSox. Say nay!
posted by outside counsel at 10:13 AM on June 06
"God given talent" is not what the Williams' are about. They have worked hard to get where they are, and I suspect that there are few among us who who trade where we are to be where they are, if it meant doing what they have done. She was on, Schett was not, and "sorry" sounds spoting to me.
posted by outside counsel at 08:50 PM on June 01
Tinkering with conferences is so far from what needs to be done to reform college sports that the mind reels. Let's think, where would actual reform actually start? I've said before that the simplest thing to do would be to disclose the graduation rate whenever a program is written about or mentioned on tv or radio. ("The 14 and 4 Cougars, who graduated 37% last season....") On the one hand, it seems grotesque for something as trivial as college sport to be engaging these people. On the other, look at who we are talking about-- I mean, who wouldn't rather see George W. Bush as Commissioner of Baseball than as President. The real bottom line, though, is that corrupt college sport is a corrupting influence on our educational system, and should not be tolerated. When a school like St. Bonaventure can get dragged into a place where lying and cheating are an acceptable part of the culture, we have sunk to a point where something has to be done. Who plays in the Big East, or whether there is a Big East, is not the way to fix something that is in dire need of repair.
posted by outside counsel at 10:57 AM on May 30
Doesn't the whole sports memorabilia thing impress you as stupid? The value of this stuff is completely abstract, and I keep expecting it to collapse, a modern day tulip mania brought low. I mean, seriously, why on earth would anybody pay anything for Pete Rose's signature on a bat? They keep making bats, and Pete keeps signing them-- there is certainly no shortage. One thing the market for this stuff has done is taken away a once simple ritual that alowed fans to bond a little with sports stars. Now that this stuff has an economic value, athletes are reluctant to just give it away. Too bad, I think. The ball Annika threw, and that Felty caught, is a little bit of history. People will be able to look at it at the Hall, and it may mean something. Sitting in someone's rec room, what it mostly means is that someone paid way too much, and that the person who did is probably a chump. Good for Felty, for recognizing why the ballwas important, and what was appropriate to do with it.
posted by outside counsel at 09:51 AM on May 28
The ladies are going to catch up, and when they do, there will be one tour. The Colonial would be smart to get out in front of this. It's going to happen, and it won't take as long as 20 years
posted by outside counsel at 11:00 AM on May 27
Without wanting to make any apologies for Lewis, USA Track and Field does not make it easy to know what substances are banned. I have tried on several occasions (out of curiosity, obviously,-- if I won a race, checking my urine wouldn't be necessary-- you'd know something was up from my radioactive glow) to search its site to see if a medication or substance is banned. There doesn't seem to be any way to do it, short of calling their hotline-- and I'm note so sure I'd feel good about doing that if I were an elite athlete with a question. USATF does not impress me as an organization that is out to be particularly helpful-- the most law abiding person in the world might hesitate before asking a cop if a twenty dollar bill is counterfeit, you know? Why would you call USATF to ask about Sunafed? "Hello, can I take this over the counter cold medication I bought in the airport drugstore?" "Who is this? Did you take any yet? Hold on, we'll be right over." It is possible to be the cop and the counselor, I suppose, but USATF seems mostly to be about suspending athletes, not helping them, and that seems almost as wrong as the offense they are policing. I love track-- I think it is the purest sport there is, and I wish it was the cleanest. USATF's priorities seem somewhat different.
posted by outside counsel at 10:25 AM on April 22
So much to love about the beautiful game! I like the idea of a 0-0 game, too, just for the iconography of it....
posted by outside counsel at 12:26 PM on April 21
The fans wh came to Buffalo to see the games were all well behaved. It was great to see them all out and about. We don't have much of a big-time college sports tradition hereabouts, so it was fun to see folks coming from places that do.
posted by outside counsel at 11:29 AM on April 14
What frosts me about this response to the legitimate expression of opinion by two reasonably intelligent people is that the same harsh tone is not taken with the actors who make their more conservative views known. Opinions are fine, but ad hominum attacks do nothing to illuminate the issues. It says something about the bankruptcy of the views of those who support this president and his war that they feel that the support for their arguments is so weak that they engage in this sort of tactic. Of course, that's what I just did, too. Can we go back to talking about sports?
posted by outside counsel at 11:48 AM on April 11
Christopher Falcone is a comic genius. I didn't think anything could be funnier than the incident itself, but a lawsuit takes it to new heights. And he's not suing the Flyers because he's a fan! Pure brilliance!
posted by outside counsel at 10:28 AM on April 03
Jeter can field his position-- but what makes him valuable is his bat. When you can get that kind of production out of your shortstop, you have lineup depth that is hard to beat. The interesting thing about Jeter is that there really isn't anyplace else to put him other than shortstop. Particularly now, with a damaged arm, I wouldn't look to see him playing third, or in the outfield. I hope he is able to make a good recovery, but you have to wonder about how this will impact on his longevity. I wouldn't say that this makes the season the BoSox's to lose, but it certainly changes things.
posted by outside counsel at 10:22 AM on April 01
My theory is that any article about college sports should reference the graduation rate for the schools being discussed. The emphasis is always on the sport, not the college, and that, it seems to me, is misplaced. Maybe the kid being recruted into the program doesn't care, but I think the schools care, and they would clean up their acts if they began to aquire the reputaiton for exploiting their athletes. Make no mistake about it, exploitation is what this is, and it is not really necessary-- there are schools (not "programs"-- please) that put competitive teams on the floor-- or the field, or whatever-- without exploiting their students.
posted by outside counsel at 02:47 PM on March 25
The Bonnies have a better than average graduation rate, and the university has always been a respectable place, with a good reputation. The President sounds like he was a loose cannon, and they are well shut of him. The part of this scandal that has surprised me is that the students who voted not to play are being criticized.by . They are the only ones involved that showed any leadership, as far as I am concerned.
posted by outside counsel at 09:00 AM on March 10
Speaking as a Bills fan, I'm sorry to see Peerless go. Objectively, I doubt that he'll make much of an impact in Atlanta
posted by outside counsel at 02:31 PM on March 07
The students are the only ones showing any leadership on this, and they are being piloried. The sports press should be ashamed, but it refuses to acknowledge that the sports that they are writing about are, frequently, corrupt, exploitative enterprises. College sports are a scandal because the schools have created an enviroment where scandal can florish. If every story about college hoops started with the graduation rate of the school or the coach under discussion, we would be on the way towards recognizing what we are talking about when we are talking about big time college sport. And if the NCAA made graduation rate an eligibility requirement for post season play, we would see the end of this sort of thing. The coach and the president of St. Bonaventure knew this kid wasn't eligible: hell, they knew that there was no way he could ever graduate-- but they exploited him anyway. I say good for the other players on the team-- they are the ones who have had their degree degraded, and they should have every right to protest
posted by outside counsel at 12:12 PM on March 07
While we are on the subject of New York baseball humor, the Village Voice has this on Mo Rocca's appearence at the New York Chapter Baseball Writers Association of America awards dinner. (Scroll down.) I like the Mo Vaughn joke, but the best is the Yankees' line: "I'm sorry if I don't have my funniest material tonight," said Rocca. "Ruben Rivera stole my best jokes."
posted by outside counsel at 09:50 AM on February 05
Tampa was this bad. Dare I say it, the Bills have been this bad. The Bengals are horribly mismanaged, but it hardly rises to the level of fraud. Plus, it's a taxpayer suit. Taxpayers really don't have standing to bring this sort of action as a rule.
posted by outside counsel at 05:17 PM on February 04
Mental illness is not a moral failing, but it is frequently viewed that way, particularly in Sportsworld. Robbins sounds like a mess, but he must be a remarkable individual to be able to perform at that level notwithstanding his inner demons. It also seems to me that if the Raiders knew about his problem, they were obliged to provide him with more help than they did. This man needed something more than a bedcheck-- if his problem had been something physical, they would have provided the necessary medical attention.
posted by outside counsel at 11:52 AM on January 29
Japanese baseball fans play their own music, too, and it is actually kinda stirring. One of the funniest parts is that they play when their player comes up to bat, rather than as a way of distracting the hitter. For the most part, anything other than the sound of the game, and audience sound, I guess, takes away from the event, and I don't like it. Some years ago NBC, I think, broadcast an NFL game with no announcers. It got panned (as I recall, it was a Jets game, so no wonder), but liked it. Music is the same as dot races, or advertisments. I'm there to watch the game, and to drink some beers. Anything that isn't watching the game (or drinking said beers) is a waste as far as I'm concerned
posted by outside counsel at 02:00 PM on January 22
Watching the Jets do what they did to a Green Bay team that seemed so solid against the Bills just a week beforesuggests to me that the Pea Greens might be for real this time. It would be interesting to have back to back years of new AFC East QB's go to the Big Hype.... Eagles didn't show me much this weekend. Will they be healthy? Can't see the 49ers beating them, though.... Oakland has the easy path, and last year's experience to build on. I like Tennessee, though-- they've looked good every time I've seen them this year. The Giants are proof that it is better to be lucky than good-- they won't be around long.
posted by outside counsel at 03:43 PM on December 30
I wonder, how much longer the Bengals will have to play at this level before the league steps in? A while, I suppose-- Arizona is nearly as bad. As appealing as the promotion/religation model is, it seems to me that it is better suited to baseball. The NFL's parity scheme works well for a league where revenues are so evenly shared. Speaking strictly as a Bills fan, I love it that the team I follow is still in the hunt, however unlikely it is that they will beat Green Bay Sunday, and whatever all else needs to occur.
posted by outside counsel at 03:23 PM on December 19
The thing that's the most interesting to me is that the AFC is so close, and the NFC is not. I wonder if the fact that the AFC seems more competitive has something to do with the NFC's dominance in the Super Bowl? Certainly it seems to have an effect on the perception of the representatives from the two conferences: if a team goes in with a gaudy W-L record, it is likely to be favored, notwithstanding the quality of the teams against whom the record was achieved. Who would you rather see your team play in the playoffs: KC, which has scored more points than any other team in the league, or the Philadelphia Eagals, who have rolled up a pretty record against the likes of the Cowboys, Giants, and Cardinals?
posted by outside counsel at 03:53 PM on December 18
Gotta have the big "D", which is why New England will take the AFC East, and why the Bills are mere pretenders, even with Bledsoe. And why Miami is overrated, and the Jets (somewhat) under-rated.
posted by outside counsel at 03:08 PM on December 04
Pats are solid, for sure: this is the best division in football right now. That said, the road back to the Super Bowl is a long hill to climb. One of the toughest things the pats are going to have to do is beat everybody else in the division. I would not be surprised to see everybody in the division split, and it wouldn't shock me if the wins all came in away games: it is going to be that kind of season. I gotta say, Brady looks like the real deal, but I'm glad the Bills got Bledsoe.
posted by outside counsel at 05:27 PM on September 17
Details aren't clear, but the fact that contraction has been deferred looks like a win for the players. Steroid testing, if it is along the lines of what the players had proposed is not good for baseball-- but the owners don't seem to care about that, so I guess it's a wash. And there is a luxury tax which amounts to a cap, but I doubt that it will have a substantial effect on salaries-- it looks like it is set high enough so that most teams will have no problem staying under. That's probably a good thing-- an NFL style cap, with the present revenue sharing situation being what it is, would keep smaller capitalized teams forever on the outside looking in. As long as teams can compete for free agents, they will have a shot at drawing fans, and as long as that happens, they should be able to stay financially healthy. I'd say that what this really shows is that ownership is catching on to the idea that it has a lot less leverage in negotiation than it likes to put out. The owners are all leveraged to the max, and their assets consist principally of player contracts and favorable leases. Both of those things aren't worth much if the players go on strike. Mets are done, but there is still the chance that we'll see Selig hand the World Series Trophy over to the Twins. That would work for me
posted by outside counsel at 03:34 PM on August 30
I don't want to see Washington Redskins cheerleaders. All you need to know about them is that John Riggins found flirting with Sandra Day O'Connor preferable....
posted by outside counsel at 05:09 PM on August 29
Just about the onlything I can think of that is stupider than Olympic Baseball would be Olympic Golf. Well, maybe that's not quite fair, and it is not consistant with my other rule: that the Olympics should only have individual sports, not team sports. I'd make an exception for bobslead, 'cause it's cool. Country Club sports like golf and tennis, though, have international exhibitions which are always going to be more important than the Olympics, so why bother? Greco-Roman 'Rasslin, boxing, track and field-- these are Olympic sports. Ballroom Dancing, sailing-- no, I don't think so. And no auto racing either.
posted by outside counsel at 05:07 PM on August 29
Philly fans are low class-- they would boo the Easter Bunny, it is said, and I believe it. This is true of Philly fans of all sports, I believe, and I wouldn't even begin to know if there is any way to measure if the baseball fans are worse than the football fans are worse than the hoops fans are worse than the hockey fans. You'd think what with all the practice that Philly fans would be gracious in defeat, but no. They are obnoxious about it, just as they are obnoxious about everything else. A few years ago I had a cab driver who, upon learning that I was from Buffalo, tried to taunt me by saying, "My team has only lost one Super Bowl. What's it feel like to lose four?" Well, the fact is that losing four, while it stings right after, feels a whole heck of a lot better than it must feel to be an Eagles fan.
posted by outside counsel at 11:03 AM on August 19
I would limit the number of college sports scholarships a program could award each year to the same number of students who graduated the year before. It's an old proposal of Bobby Knight's, actually, adn I think it is just about the only thing which would return college sports to college students. If I had time after that, I'd eliminate the DH, and restore my daughter's school's Cross Country program.
posted by outside counsel at 05:28 PM on July 17
I am rather fond of the Curse of the Bambino even though I am in no way a Sox fan. There are some others out there: I was surprised Connors missed that one. The Buffalo News isn't really hip to the weblog thing
posted by outside counsel at 11:57 AM on July 17
Looks to me like a strike is going to happen, and it couldn't happen at a much worse time for the sport. I fall into the camp that blames this on the greedy owners, who really do stand to lose here. The issues that are out there which really matter, I think are contraction (bad idea-- why take your product away from people?) and doping (bad thing-- why make your product less wholesome?). A strike will not address either of these things, and will certainly alienate the fans. Who knows? Soccer might yet become an American spectator sport.
posted by outside counsel at 10:25 AM on July 09
Glancing down the grid, it seems to me that Belgium should be the ones complaining about rotten luck: they get through to face Brazil, and the winner of that gets the winner of England/Denmark. If the US is somehow able to get by Mexico, it gets the winner of Germany/Paraguay-- and I think that's about where Germany starts breaking down
posted by outside counsel at 11:39 AM on June 14
Rock, Scissors, Paper. Fan ballot. Strongman competition. Jeopardy!
posted by outside counsel at 07:37 AM on June 11
Lots? Drawing lots! That's terrible! So if everyone ties (one-all, say, or nil-nil) they draw lots? Has this ever happened?
posted by outside counsel at 04:52 PM on June 10
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