I don't know what the hell Ventura was thinking about here. What if Ryan had decided to put one in his ear...Anybody remember Dick R aka the monster from the Red Sox. There was a big reason nobody came out to the mound, how about 6'5" 260 with a fastball at 90plus. Isn't it interesting that in the earlier days of baseball nobody came out at pitchers like Cy Young, Glover Cleveland Alexander, Lefty Grove, Bob Feller, Babe Ruth and then later Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale , Ryan Duran, Ryan, Lee Smith and many others in the 60's and 70's. Don Drysdale was one of the most feared pitchers during his playing days because he made it known that if you got in his way fear not the ball was coming at you...McCovey use to hit Drysdale fairly regularly but he made a statement a long time ago about not even thinking about going out to the mound and McCovey wasn't a small man by any means. Ryan Duran , a relief pitcher with the Yankees and Angels in the early 60's, was considered wild. He had coke bottle glasses and couldn't see the end of his nose much less the batter. A rather small individual he could pitch a baseball well over 95 miles an hour plus. And to make it even worst sometimes he came by way of third base and to a right hander to stand in with his known wildness was someone who had a whole lot of guts or little brains. A story about Duran in the first game with the Angels after being traded to them for Bob Cerv in 1961. The Angel piitcher, Eli Graba, injured himself after the first batter and was replaced by Duran. As he was warming up he kept losing his coke bottle glasses and in trying to find them kept almost stepping on them. Mickey Mantle was in the on deck box and was looking and talking to the umpire and watching the glasses incident. Remember, he was his teammate a couple of days before and known as being wild and not always able to control his pitches. After the third or fourth time of almost stepping on his glasses, Duran, then did step on them and break them into pieces. He looked at the broken glasses and then just said something to his catcher and put them into his backpocket. Mantle due up was told to get into the box and just sat there looking like you got to be kinding me. He struckout on three pitches and then the announcer, the late John Ramsey, made a PA announcement that the new pitcher, Ryan Duran, was pitching for the first time with contact lenses. Duran pitched 6 innings and struckout 12 Yankees. Gibson was another pitcher nobody would even think about coming out. Yeah, the batter has a bat, but it doesn't go 90mphplus at your head. Brawls are rather stupid if you sit back at look at them. But I go agree with the old school guys what happens on the field, gym floor, etc stays on them. All these suits in hockey, baseball, basketball etc really ruin it for everyone. If something happens and they want to go at each other than make it easy for them, put on the gloves and make them go 3 -3minute rounds with 8oz gloves..trust me there won't being as many fights as you lthink after going the distance in the ring I don't care how good of shape the individuals are in after 3 rounds they will not be able to lift their arms much less try to hit each other....
Aw. No mention of the great Bruins brawl at Madison Square Garden when they all climbed into the stands and started fighting with the fans. Mike Milbury pulled a shoe off a guy and beat him with it. Just priceless.
swerve, I want vid of that. Come across, now.
Ask, and you shall receive! The "eat some shoe leather, punk!" moment comes around 1:17.
Ah, memories of hockey as a child. 70-71 playoffs if I remember correctly. Leafs, Rangers, MSG, , Bernie Parent gets into a fight. His mask, laying on the ice, is picked up by a Ranger and thrown into the crowd. The NHL delays the game for 30 minutes looking for the mask, asking for its return. No such luck, the Leafs have to bring in their backup goaltender to finish the game. Pretty good backup mind you, Jacques Plante!
holy crap. i never knew Peter McNab was involved in that brawl. looks like he was the one holding the shoeless guy down.
grum, you da man. Thanks. Now I have to explain why I'm laughing.
grum, you da man. Thanks. I'll second that! That video speaks for itself.
Isn't it interesting that in the earlier days of baseball nobody came out at pitchers like Cy Young, Glover Cleveland Alexander, Lefty Grove, Bob Feller, Babe Ruth and then later Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale , Ryan Duran, Ryan, Lee Smith and many others in the 60's and 70's. Actually, Robin Ventura's misfortune is that someone HAD charged Ryan before, when he was still on the Mets. I can't remember who anymore, but I remember the coverage of the beatdown he gave Ventura and their account of it. Ryan just stood there and got tackled and afterward swore he'd never take a beating like that again, that if anyone wanted to charge the mound, they'd have to actually fight him. I'd have liked to have seen the brawl between the Mets and Reds in '86 make the list. It started with Ray Knight cheap-shotting Eric Davis after a play at third and ended up with mayhem, including a group of Reds players dragging Vince Coleman off away from the crowd so they could have their way with him. Plus John Denny kicking people with martial arts moves.
Isn't it interesting that in the earlier days of baseball nobody came out at pitchers like Cy Young, Glover Cleveland Alexander, Lefty Grove, Bob Feller, Babe Ruth and then later Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale , Ryan Duran, Ryan, Lee Smith and many others in the 60's and 70's. Well, in the "very,very old days" (Cy Young), there used to be fist fights between players, umpires, coaches, managers and fans. They used to spike each other on the basepaths. Fielders would trip, grab and hold on to runners when the umpires weren't looking. Maybe there wasn't a need to rush the mound because people were too busy causing mayhem everywhere else. In the "very old days" (Grove, Feller), there was still the memory of Ray Chapman getting killed by a pitch to the noggin, so maybe there wasn't as much "head hunting" as you might think. In the "old days" (Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale), they had one of the most infamous basebrawls in recorded history. In the end, basebrawls don't happen as often as people think, but they are broadcast every time they do happen. (or the silly "bullpens empty as everyone walks to the diamond to mill around and do nothing")
No league? No Kevin Tamati? No mention of the classic incident where a Wales player started a fight, got knocked out and sent off for his troubles? Granted, Brial's piss-poor efforts just bring rugby brawls into disrepute. Not all Aussies are so soft.
Now I have to explain why I'm laughing. out of curiosity, would people still be laughing if a brawl like that happened today? almost similar to what happened at Auburn Hills, no? and i don't think anyone referred to that as priceless. or is it just funny because it's Rangers fans getting beat up? (and i'm not calling you out personally l_b_b, it's a question for everyone.)
It's different for hockey: it's accepted, even preferred behavior. Plus it's from the 70s (or at least a Bruins team that came from the 70s and sort of lasted into the 80s), back when hockey was still really cool.
grum, trust me when I say yes there was a lot of that crap going around in some of the some called brawls in Feller and Groves and Ruth's days but never did any of the players to my memory go after the pitchers of that day. Cobb was a sob and did all kinds of things on the basepaths and Chapman's death was a accident. Who in there right mind was going to was going to go after a pitcher with a baseball in his hands...I remember the Koufax incident with Juan in SF and Johnny Roseboro didn't try to hit Juan in the head when he returned the pitch to Koufax. Hitting Roseboro was completely on purpose. He should have been banned for life after that. And the Giants are very lucky that Sandy Koufax didn't go after one of theirs. Cooler heads came to forefront and nothing happened. They put it off as his latin temper and he lost his cool, bull no know what, he turned and took his bat and hit Johnny twice on the head. If Walter Alston hadn't had control of his team god knows what would have happened, remember the Dodgers had some very big players then one of them Frank Howard was one of the strongest in the majors. Frank stands a little over 6'8" at about 275plus and he coming out after you....Stan Williams the relief pitcher wasn't small either as was Joe Moeller at 6'6" 225 and Sandy at 6'3" 230 wasn't small himself. I have stated here in the past that todays players aren' t as hard or as nasty as players in the past and I will still stand by my statement. An example was Frank Howard hitting a homerun off Jim Callison of the Phillies the ball came off Howards' bat about 18 inches off the ground and directly between Callison's legs and kept rising until it went out of the park in dead center field landing to some accounts over 650feet. I don't remember if the umpire but he recalled that story at a dinner that he talked at after retiring from baseball and it is still funny thinking about having that huge individual standing at the plate and then almost golfing a pitch between the pitchers' legs that far. He mentioned that Jim Callison almost couldn't continue in the game because he stool there just thinking about what almost happened to him. The fans seem to have a real curiosity about these brawls and fights but we as fans must be very thankful that cooler heads rule. In hockey you have a stick, basketball a ball but in baseball you have the most dangerous of all equipment a baseball hardwood bat.....
It's different for hockey: it's accepted, even preferred behavior. jumping the boards to go after fans in a brawl is accepted and preferred behavior?
If it's Olde Townies beating on out-of-towners, do you have to ask? Hell, that's right behind baseball as the top local sport.
ah, so my "it's just funny because it's Rangers fans getting beat up" suspicion is correct then. thanks. wait, out-of-towners? they were at MSG. or are my meds fucking me up again and i'm just not getting what you're saying.
No, I was being obtuse: what I mean is if Boston folks are beating on people from out of town, regardless of where it's happening, that's a rootable interest.
gotcha. well, the way youse have been taking over the Stadium recently we may as well be out-of-towners down here.
We were concerned about your gate receipts dropping too low.
