April 23, 2007

Gordon Takes Phoenix for the First Time, Ties "The Intimidator" for Career Victories. : Tough racing down the stretch against Tony Stewart, then a victory lap with the #3 flag. The Rainbow Warrior takes Phoenix for the first time in 16 races, and notches career victory number 76, tying him with the late Dale Earnhardt, Sr.

read story | posted by The_Black_Hand to Auto Racing at 6:38 AM CDT (13 comments total)

In my opinion Jeff Gordan will never be as great as Dale Earnhardt Sr. There's just not as competative drivers as there used to be around when Dale started so in a way its easier for an experiaced driver like Jeff to take the checkard flag. Not a dis to Gordan, i know he's a great driver and obviously one of the best, but i dont think he should be put at the same level of greatness as Dale just because of numerical statistics.

posted by TelamarketersBeware at 8:03 AM CDT on April 23

Well, I disagree. I think Jeff Gordon is right up there with Earnhardt and all the rest. It's just a matter of time (more than likely , this year) that he'll pass Dale Sr. Like him or hate him, He's one of the top 5 drivers in Nascar.imho

posted by texasred at 11:17 AM CDT on April 23

Gordon will have more wins, period. I haven't checked the stats, but I'll wager that Gordon has won a higher % of races than Earnhardt.

posted by whitedog65 at 3:35 PM CDT on April 23

I am not a Gordon fan, I am a Dale JR. fan, but Gordon is the real deal in any generation. He races against the likes of Tony Stewart, Mark Martin, Jimmy Johnson, and yes Dale Jr. oh he even raced against Dale SR.. Any of them from Tony to Dale Jr. would have held there own in the NASCAR of the past. I have seen them all take someone out to gain position just like the old days. So yes Gordon is the real deal.

posted by cptdon at 5:03 PM CDT on April 23

Jeff didn't race against people like Yorborough(please correct my spelling) and whenever NASCAR didn't have this new point system. Anybody who thinks that Dale Jr. is one of the greatest has problems. I like Jr. but he isn't Hall-of-Fame quality. And yes Gordan is the real deal just not at Dale's level. It's much easier to win now a days because of rule changes and not as many great drivers to compete against.

posted by TelamarketersBeware at 9:27 AM CDT on April 24

You seem to be missing the point. Gordon has won races in which he's raced against Dale Sr., which deflates your point that he couldn't compete against the Intimidator. Also, Jeff Gordon does predate the current points system, by nearly a full decade.

If you don't have your facts straight, it's difficult at best to make blanket statements like the ones you keep making. Look stuff up before you slop all over the thread.

posted by The_Black_Hand at 9:47 AM CDT on April 24

http://www.racing-reference.info/driver?id=gordoje01
http://www.racing-reference.info/driver?id=earnhda01

It's up to you to decide who's better.

Sorry for taking up your feed.

posted by TelamarketersBeware at 10:16 AM CDT on April 24

The links don't work.

posted by louisville_slugger at 11:45 AM CDT on April 24

Go to racing-reference.info and there should be a search box that says " Drivers search" on the homepage.

posted by TelamarketersBeware at 11:54 AM CDT on April 24

Racing is tougher today than in the past. Everyone saying there were more great racers in the past has it backward. There were some really fantastic racers, but the fields weren't nearly as deep as they are today.

As for the new point system helping Gordon, it cost him a title in its first season. Under the old format, he'd have won the year Kurt Busch beat Johnson and Gordon by less than 10 points. The new system wiped out Gordon's sizable lead going into the chase.

There are an awful lot of sour grapes Gordon haters out there. Case in point:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070424/ap_on_sp_au_ra_ne/car_nascar_earnhardt_flag_flap_1

Glad to see Dale Jr. isn't one of them.

(Sorry, I can't figure out how to post a link in the middle of the comment.)

posted by olelefthander at 6:36 PM CDT on April 24

I am not a Jeff Gordan hater and i wish there was a way to delete and edit comments that i have posted.(note to SpoFi). And it's up to people to decide who is better these days. I just wish Dale's career could have ended with retirement, not death. I'm sure he would have given Jeff a pat on the back.

posted by TelamarketersBeware at 6:47 PM CDT on April 24

TB, there is a way to edit and/or delete your comment for a short time after you make it. At the bottom of your post, you'll see two commands; one says "Edit this Comment." The other says "Delete this Comment."

posted by The_Black_Hand at 5:13 AM CDT on April 25

I know that, i'm talking about doing it like a few hours later.

posted by TelamarketersBeware at 9:02 AM CDT on April 25

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