.241 AVG, 13 R, 3 HRs, 8 RBIs, 3 SBs in 20 post-season games as a Yankee. Stretched out to a full season of 162 games, that's (roughly) .241, 104 runs, 24 HRs, 64 RBIs, 24 SBs. Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you a $25 million Mike Cameron. And here I thought he was supposed to be so much better than this guy (.314, 116 runs, 23 HRs, 65 RBIs, 22 SBs per 162 games in the post-season with the Yankees).
This is interesting: So, it seems like A-Rod's reputation as a postseason failure basically stems from 3 straight bad series. Here's his line from those series: 16 games, .183/.300/.333, 10 R, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 0.81 RC*/G I decided to see who else from baseball history has had a similar or worse 3-series stretch. I found somebody from each position just for fun. C Yogi Berra, 47WS-50WS ... 14 G, .140/.204/.260, 6 R, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 0.64 RC/G 1B Jeff Bagwell, 97NLDS-99NLDS ... 11 G, .128/.261/.128, 3 R, 0 HR, 4 RBI, 0.64 RC/G 2B Jackie Robinson, 47WS-52WS ... 19 G, .212/.342/.303, 9 R, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 0.79 RC/G SS Derek Jeter**, 01ALDS-01WS ... 17 G, .226/.262/.290, 5 R, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 0.47 RC/G 3B Mike Schmidt, 77NLCS-80NLCS ... 13 G, .164/.233/.218, 4 R, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 0.54 RC/G OF Babe Ruth, 18WS-22WS ... 14 G, .211/.333/.368, 4 R, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 0.71 RC/G OF Mickey Mantle, 61WS-63WS ... 13 G, .130/.216/.217, 3 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 0.23 RC/G OF Ted Williams***, 46WS ... 7 G, .200/.333/.200, 2 R, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 0.43 RC/G DH David Ortiz, 02ALDS-03ALDS ... 14 G, .200/.231/.280, 0 R, 0 HR, 6 RBI, 0.43 RC/G I think we can all agree that this team of chokers could never make it out of the first round. * runs created (R+RBI-HR) ** Jeter also had a pretty crappy 98ALDS-98WS ... 13 G, .235/.328/.294, 7 R, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 0.77 RC/G *** OK, Ted only had 1 postseason series, but I figured in the spirit of judging players off of small sample sizes, I'd include him
Alright, the local yocal on the local news just said, "TWENTY-SIX years ago Lou Piniella led the Reds to the World Series." It was SIXTEEN years ago. It's actually been eleven years since we tasted the playoffs. For those of you who reak of "driven," can you please quit arguing about how one of the best players in baseball completely sucks, simply because they suck in the post season? I guess when you've been to the playoffs the last ten years in a row you have to argue about something. For cryin' out loud though, can you at least look for sympathy amongst yourselves? Yeah, it sucks having Jeter and A-Rod on your team, I get that. Uhm, no actually I don't. I don't really get that at all. Signed: Jealous, small market, wonderful baseball history team. AKA Cincinnati Reds Fan. /Making sure I mentioned jealous...yeah...like, really jealous but whatever...ok, post.
You know what's funny about A-Rod's recent postseason performance, if the Yanks had won one ring in this stretch, nobody would give a damn. People aren't pissed because he's having trouble hitting, they're pissed because they think paying some $25 mil a year should guarentee a ring.
20 post-season games as a Yankee. Stretched out to a full season of 162 games If my mother had balls, she'd be my father.
People aren't pissed because he's having trouble hitting, they're pissed because they think paying some $25 mil a year should guarentee a ring. The Hardball Times has a good consideration of that.
A rumor was floating around that Lou is interested in bringing his prodigal son A-Rod to Chicago on ESPN radio today.... Forgot that part. Sorry. Got caught up comparing Jeter's numerous post season stats to Barry Larkin's few. Do stupid and jealous always together?
Actually, A-Rod as a Cub would probably work out well, because the Cubs probably need another person in line to blame their continued futility on.
If the Cubs where able to trade for A-Rod and give up some of our injury prone players we could be good. Wood and Prior are awsome pitchers with awsome stuff but too many injuries. If the Yankees would be willing to take a chance on them that could be perfect. The Cubs could even throw in a player such as SS Cesar Izturis. The Cubs do have the prospects to make it. Also, Imagine the Cubs with this kinda lineup C Michael Barrett 1B Derek Lee 2B Ronny Cedeno 3B Aramis Ramirez SS Alex Rodriguez CF Juan Pierre RF Jaque Jones LF Matt Murton
The Yankees, as bad as they need pitching, don't need more 'awsome' pitchers with injury problems. They already have Carl Pavano filling that role. Also, they already have some SS guy. He seems like he does an okay job.
If my mother had balls, she'd be my father. Not if she could help it, I imagine. I guess when you've been to the playoffs the last ten years in a row you have to argue about something. tselson, I don't care too much for this "What, the Yankees haven't won enough for you?" philosophy, as though it were the same argument as "Players who earn $10 mil a year shouldn't be crying about not getting paid enough." Winning isn't something you get to put in the bank and withdraw on the days you lose. You can waste your time on jealousy if you want, but neither one of us is watching our team play right now. I don't care what team you root for or what their cumulative salary is, when it's your team and they lose, it's much worse than winning. Kind of the point to fandom, isn't it... wanting your team to win? Driven? I'm not kidnapping A-Rod or anything. (Hmm.) /looks for To Do list And I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever said that it sucks having Jeter on my team. Ever.
People aren't pissed because he's having trouble hitting, they're pissed because they think paying some $25 mil a year should guarentee a ring. In actuality, the Yankees are only paying ARod abou $16million a year, since Texas is on the hook for $9million. Jeter, Giambi and Mussina cost the Yankees more in 2006 than ARod. Side note: I'm still flabbergasted how Giambi continues to get a free ride from the Yankee faithful. - He's been a Yankee longer than ARod, and hasn't won anything. - He's costing them more per year than ARod. - His contributions to the team in the regular season have been less than ARod's. - He has the BALCO stench all over him.
According to this, A-Rod's contract had him making less than $22 mil this year, which seems weird... maybe they're not including payments not yet made? I dunno. Maybe he's a bargain this year (or maybe he didn't reach his incentive for making fewer than 50 errors). Giambi had 2 home runs in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, almost single-handedly keeping the Yankees in the game until Grady's fateful decision. A-Rod doesn't really have anything like that on his resume yet. That said, if there was a thread dedicated to Giambi's value to the Yankees, I would be happy to go off on how that boat anchor is hurting the Yanks' roster flexibility. Watching day to day, my impression is that G's bat has had more big hits and won more close games than A-Rod's, but the club has been a little heavy recently in good bats who are considered defensive liabilities.
Should also point out that Giambi's OPS was over 50 points higher than A-Rod's.
I know BP. When I was looking at Jeter's stats, I couldn't help but think, "Damn, Yankees' fans have it good." Believe me I understand that it hurts for you when the Yankees lose. But apathy sets in around the All Star break for most teams. Be thankful you don't have apathy. I still go to the emotional memory bank and cash in a little warm and fuzzy from 1990; however, I think that the account is dwindling. Sorry BP, I was confused about why we were talking A-rod and Jeter on this thread. I was out of line. Just to make sure though, I meant "Driven." ;)
I'm still flabbergasted how Giambi continues to get a free ride from the Yankee faithful. It's all that freakin' grease in his hair. He's slippery.
Isn't this suppose to be about Lou Piniella?
If my mother had balls, she'd be my father. Not if she could help it, I imagine. You lost me.
I am not saying that Izturis would take Jeters spot. He could be moved to third. And the awsome comments I understand are not needed. They aren't awsome yet. Awsome should be reserved for guys like Clemens and Maddux. But Wood and Prior do have the stuff to get them to the awsome point. And comparing them to Pavano isn't fair. Pavano got injured for getting in a car wreck and not telling anyone. Wood and Prior get injuries for real baseball realate injuries. Prior got hit with a ball this year and Wood doesn't have proper mechanics but is working on them and has been conditioning to stay in shape. I am not saying this is exactaly what will happen but it is something I am sure that the Yankees would take a look at.
But Wood and Prior do have the stuff to get them to the awsome point. So did Nick Neugebauer. But - whoops! - Dave Stewart was convinced the kid needed to "toughen up" and pitch through pain. That worked really well. Mark my words: Prior/Wood are worth as much as exactly that, an erection that happened two days ago. Somebody will overpay for one or both of them based on their "stuff", but neither will accomplish much from here on out. I blame Dusty Baker
I think you're wearing your Cubbies goggles, kidrayter. Izturis is a career .250 hitter. Certainly, there's something on the free agent market comprable? Wood at 29 has a good chance of being 30, but all indications don't point to "upswing of his career" at this point. He's young-ish at 29 and has time... perhaps. However, for Wood I wouldn't say the best days of his career are ahead of him as it stands today. Not to mention he's had knee surgery, arthroscopic surgery, a torn rotator cuff. He's been inable to stay healthy. Plus? he's a free agent now and not Cubs property to trade for ARod or anyone. No one is going to sign him to anything less than an incentive laden contract. Pavano was injured way before the car accident. Like last year. Back strain, bone chips in his elbow. Not car accident related. Not that it matters -- injured is injured.
Giambi had 2 home runs in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, almost single-handedly keeping the Yankees in the game until Grady's fateful decision. A-Rod doesn't really have anything like that on his resume yet. Except, of course, his work during games 1-4 of the 2004 ALCS. Like I've said before, if Rivera doesn't blow the save in game 4, ARod wins the ALCS MVP award and he ascends to "true Yankee" status and the whole brouhaha doesn't happen. According to this, A-Rod's contract had him making less than $22 mil this year, which seems weird... maybe they're not including payments not yet made? It's possible that as part of the deal with the Rangers, ARod agreed to deferred money starting with 2006? I know that the trade was set up so that the Yankees pay his full salary and Texas sends a lump sum of cash each season. Interestingly enough, even if the Yankees deal ARod, Texas is still on the hook to send the Yankees cash until the end of the contract.
Except, of course, his work during games 1-4 of the 2004 ALCS. A-Rod did very well in Games 1, 3 & 4. He went 1-4 in Game 2 with no runs or RBIs. He had a tremendous Game 3 (5 runs scored, more important than RBIs from the #2 hitter in the order), but of course the Yanks won that one by plenty, and lots of people chipped in. A-Rod hasn't had a game where he really carried the offense on his back alone at any point like Giambi had done in that 2003 game. Agreed, Game 4 would have been that game for him if Rivera had done his job, and yes, he likely would have been the MVP and the toast of the town. But that didn't happen. And he's been dreadful since in October. Hard to watch. Kidrayter, you warm the cockels of my heart. I really thought that only the New York fans who call in to sports radio were the sort who thought that their team should be able to unload all their dead weight in exchange for a valuable piece that fit perfectly, without giving any consideration whatsoever to the needs of the team on the other side. That's awesome. Boy, there's nothing like hot cockels. I am not saying that Izturis would take Jeters spot. He could be moved to third. You just made me love A-Rod all over again. Thanks for that.
Isn't this suppose to be about Lou Piniella? If you go strictly by the FPP subject matter, then yeah, actually it is. If you've got something interesting to say about him, feel free. Since you're relatively new to these parts, you may not be aware of just how free-wheeling our discussions can get. If it upsets you that we're veering off the subject, then find some relevant content and drop it in, or learn to just let it go.
-- If my mother had balls, she'd be my father. -- Not if she could help it, I imagine. -- You lost me. And you me. (I thought I had included this comment in my last post... did I get edited, or did I just lose my mind?)
Kidrayter, you warm the cockels of my heart Happy I could do that for ya.
66 comments before you stuck your nose in, and the only relevant comment you have is that you don't like my comment - not bad!
americanleague, his was as nice a pointer as you can ask for, perhaps you misread it?
