Tieguy, interesting points, especially the BCS payouts. Georgia Tech doesn't figue in as a core member do they? I'd like to hear from other alumni to see if they feel the same way. I'm a Temple Alum, and I would hate to see them get rid of football. I like the move to the MAC, and think they'll be with competition more on their level, but I would have been upset if they dropped to I-AA. But that was a different situation as they were booted fromt he Big East. As long as they get a BCS check, Duke has no reason to leave the ACC. And it's not like Duke is the only school with a great program in one sport and a horrible sport in another. (i.e. Penn State)
Ah, Clemson and GT. I knew there was another one :) We'll happily trade Clemson with the SEC for Vandy ;) igottheblues: Depends on how you define serious. We have spent tens of millions on facilities in the past decade, which I think does indicate a certain amount of committment. We've not lowered admissions standards (which makes me happy), so maybe that means we're not 'serious'. We've not fired the AD for being incapable of hiring a competent football coach (which makes me less happy, though given his success in every other sport, is probably forgiveable) so, again, maybe not serious. But if the choice is to be serious about football, or serious about every other sport on campus, I'll take the second option every day. One thing that I think the NCAA does do right is to fund and support all the other sports; the ones that the majority of student-athletes participate in and which are all too easily forgotten at most schools. [When discussing the Duke AD and Duke sports in general, by the way, I might note that in 2004-2005 we were the first private school besides Stanford to crack the top five in the Director's Cup, and we would have done it again in 2005-2006 if the lacrosse team didn't have rocks for brains. This with zero help from football. So the athletics program is doing something right, and doing it right with a broad number of real, honest-to-god student athletes.]
Yes, I'd be quite happy if the ACC dropped out of the BCS and all ACC schools stopped playing Div. 1 football. Not that Div. 1 basketball is exactly virginal like the driven snow, but football is on a whole different level, and participation in it should be an embarassment to any institution that seriously cares about academics. Football money in the ACC brings in tons and tons of money. There is not one school in the ACC who would give up that money just because Duke can't field a decent football team. The academic standards argument is a bunch of crap. Notre Dame hasn't lowered its academic standards and I think they might have a pretty decent team. And, even if they can't be Notre Dame, they can at least be as good as Stanford.
Notre Dame hasn't lowered its academic standards If you believe that one, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Football money in the ACC brings in tons and tons of money. It also costs tons and tons of money -- and more than money. The academic standards argument is a bunch of crap. So's the "football is a huge moneymaker" argument.
So's the "football is a huge moneymaker" argument. Using this data, ACC football revenue for the 2004-2005 is $181,149,299 and ACC football expenses $120,558,146.
Using that same site, unless I'm reading it wrong, Duke revenue from football was $7.7 million, while expenses were $9.3 million.
Duke's football expenses exceeded its football revenue by $1,587,024. Two other schools had the same problem -- none to the degree that Duke did (WFU $545,615 and MD $10,076). Duke's revenue was next to the last in the ACC while its spending on football was in the middle of the pack.
I'm guessing that is atypical, and caused bv the new construction around the football stadium, caused by every other school in the ACC building large new training facilities in the past 5-10 years. Shame the data doesn't appear to reach back in time. [And someone has less football revenue than Duke? Wha?]
I'm guessing that is atypical, and caused bv the new construction around the football stadium, caused by every other school in the ACC building large new training facilities in the past 5-10 years. Shame the data doesn't appear to reach back in time. [And someone has less football revenue than Duke? Wha?] In the ACC, Wake Forest had $7,226,136 in expenses. Yeah, the data is a little flawed because you can't see what they count as expenses.
That's an interesting site, bperk. If you look at Temple U, they spent exactly what they made right down to the dollar across the board on each sport. Talk about fiscally responsible, I have to wonder if Ken Lay helped put those numbers together. Pitt's bottom line expenses match the revenues exactly to the dollar but the by-sport breakdowns aren't exactly the same like Temple's are.
That's very true, SE. It is also consistent theme for many schools. I guess they decide to spend the extra money in the athletic department before the university claims it for something terrible - like the library.
